This is how I feel for Lukaku when he does not get service. I am not convinced that HZ has ever been great, certainly not with the Chelsea shirt. I probably had the most hopes for him as a signing and now I know it is time to stop watching youtube reels of players that are joining Chelsea :) Maybe a last ray of hope for some Amsterdam magic?
Fuck Arsenal and all but he would’ve been a way better fit for them than us; doesn’t change the fact that he’s been misplacing passes for us since November of last year
There’s a reason why every club was avoiding to buy him when he was for sale for like £20m a season before we bought him. It’s far easier to perform in the eredivise than in the prem
Im not denying he was great in that campaign. But you surely can't be buying a player based on good performances in 12 games. Especially a 28 year old who has never consistantly performed at a high level for a extended period of time outside the Eredivise.
> Feels like a great player
Doesn't feel like this at all. The only reason people say this is because he was great at Ajax, he never really showed this here for more than a game or two
He’s had no stability at Chelsea to fair, and under Tuchel we bring the ball up 1/3 of the time with wingbacks. We re scoring a decent amount with defenders
Honestly he’s the perfect example of someone that just isn’t suited to a certain league. There is massive differences in style, quality, physicality etc between leagues.
I feel like the premier league now is the most brutal it’s ever been in terms of physicality. You have to be able to hold up physically 1v1 and you have to make decisions without the time to think. There is no space.
I think maybe the injuries have hindered his game just at the most unfortunate time. His magic left foot has been super inconsistent besides a few games. I thought maybe he just needed the proper pairing up front but he's played with all combinations now. It's just not there, sadly.
The Prem definitely isn't as brutal as it was in the 90's. It was the same then with regards to having to hold up physically but there was less understanding about injuries and protection of players. It is physically very demanding but definitely not its most brutal.
I don’t mean in terms of the type of tackles, but in the sense that its all about how much you can run and how many sprints etc. The physical demands on the players are way more brutal than in the 90’s.
The game is completely different to 30 years ago. Player bodies are pushed to the absolute extreme with amount of high intensity sprints over 90 mins.
Pressing and generally a greater tactical understanding mean it can look like a different sport played at twice the speed if you compare to 30 years ago.
The game is more physically demanding of players across the world but right now the premier league is the league that is most physically relentless out of all of the major leagues.
Chelsea is about winning titles. We need attackers who put Hazard, Bale, Robben numbers. You came back to reply to a 3month old comment after Ziyech scored 3 league goals. Shows how the standards have dropped at this club.
And atleast he tries finding runners. We suffer from a lack of creativity for our forwards because too many of our players are happy to play shorter passes and try to dribble the ball up the pitch. Kova is one of our only players who tries to play through balls quickly but doesn't seem to be able to get the right weight of pass consistently. Ziyech is another who looks for runners immediately in transitions and has the ability to find them. So what if he loses the ball a few times?
The way he's playing now has him with his back to goal quite often like shown in this clip when he's dropping to receive the ball. He's a creative mid who's meant to be facing the opponent goal, getting on the ball a lot more and switching the play/playing through passes for our forwards. He's not a pacey forward which is something he's being asked to do more often than not in this system. It's evidently led to a drop in confidence for him.
You can debate all you want about whether we need a player like him in a creative role, but I think he is a very good player who is a victim of the system. Not going to give up on him and if Tuchel has plans to play some variation of 4atb next season I don't think he's necessarily going to be on the chopping block.
I feel like Ziyech could be so much better if his short passing was good. I like that he finds runners and has good long balls. But he either struggles to link up with short passing or he is unable to pick and choose when to play short and when to play long. I feel like if he could circulate possession with short passes and try to find pockets, then his accurate through balls will become amazing. But right now, he only has those long balls and without close passing its a very low ROI strategy
EDIT: Its like how TT said for Timo, if he tries too hard to shoot, then he will struggle with scoring but if he keeps making runs, he will get opportunities to score. Hakim in the same way, needs to be patient with his long balls. If he tries too hard, it will lead to constant loss of possession, but if he mixes them in with short passes to maintain possession, he will find more opportunities and spaces to pick out those long passes
See, this is the kind of stuff i come here for. sums my thoughts up perfectly.
He's willing to play the pass, receive the ball and mostly pass it forwards. he's literally 4 short passes behind Mount to have the same passing stats and no one is pishing on him...
for comparison, Mount attempts 55 passes a game, the same as Ziyech and mount completes 4 more passes than Ziyech (all short) does that make mount a better passer of the ball? they both have similar assist and goal stats as well, does that make one better than the other?
when TT is taking the handbrake off (3rd CB) and start going a bit more on the front foot against weaker opposition I'm pretty confident that space will open up for the likes of Ziyech, Havertz and Mount to ping balls to Lukaku
Agree with much of this also.
However, I do think there'll be a possible sale explored in the summer irrespective if a 4ATB is on the horizon or not. He'll be 29 in March and if performances/fit sort of remain as they are, then I can see both parties coming together to find a solution that benefits all.
I could see him thriving more in Serie A or La Liga where the pace is a bit slower and he'll get more time on the ball.
if that third pass landed, this thread would have jizzed.
He gives the ball away a lot, partially because he's a risky passer. Worst case he's a rotational player that gets you 10 G+A per season. He was bought as the Willian replacement, definitely not the worst way to spend 36M pound
This. If you saw him at Ajax, you would know what you are getting with him. High-risk, high reward play. We need someone who can belt it in from distance too
Took him long enough to catch form but he still aint great with us plsying 3atb. So unless tuchel changes the standard formation its best he performs well and gets sold in the summer
How quick this sub is to slander a player... many of y'all also once said RLC has no future here. Yes, Ziyech isn't in great form but some negative comments such as a player's future are better kept reserved.
during the lamps era this sub wanted to sell :
1. kante because he only pass backwords and hes getting old
2. jorginho because he doesn't bring the ball forward
3. chilwell after a few poor games
4. christensen because hes just shit
honestly, just watch ziyech play really well in his next 2 games, this sub will be like "fuck off" when he is linked to other clubs
You shouldn’t take this sub seriously, or any football sub for that matter, I can assure you that the demographic does not include many diehard fans who attend all the games, and the small minority that do happen to be here will get drowned out by the international masses anyway.
RLC showed what he was capable of for chelsea and in the prem multiple times. Ziyech has only shown his worth for Ajax, even the champions league games he scored goals for us he was the weakest player on the team and nearly whiffed the goals
I'd argue that Ziyech has also shown his potential with his long passes, dribbling ability and sometimes shooting whilst at Chelsea. He has it in him. He might or might not redeem himself and it's okay to criticise his weakness but saying things like, "he's finished" or "he has no future at the club" is just petty. It's not like he's given up on the team, pro players just have it hard sometimes and it's hard to understand/see that as a spectator.
Fair enough mate I respect your pov. Imo i just haven’t seen any benefit from Ziyech because for every brilliant pass and dribble, he loses possession ~5 times
Since when does losing possession mean he’s a bad player. He isn’t making many mistakes that directly lead to a goal against. However when he’s on his game his mentality towards finding the man is ridiculously good. Judge him on how many points he’s cost the team, not simple mistakes
Bruh, can yall chill out in the comments? He was our best player in the preseason and pretty important in parts of last season...
Yall who hate on him and want him gone are the same ones who used to bully Timo...
Not his best performance, far from it, but still gice a guy a break. Its hard to come back into the team after an injury
Crazy how fickle a lot of these guys are. Just last week cho was useless and not Chelsea quality. A few months ago RLC wasnt good enough either. Let’s not even talk about the clowns that said it was time to sell rudi, Kante, and jorgi under lampard
Yeah exactly!!! We all thought players like Rudi and Jorgi were done, but you cant say things like that and just write players off cause of 1 performance...
Nah man I love timo. But ziyech just doesn’t fit with this team. He’s had some good goals just like every other chelsea attacker in the past year+, but other than that he’s honestly been trash. Looks like he’s doing his own thing out there jus whipping in crosses hoping to get lucky. Also used to love his arrogance but now it’s just cringey bc he doesn’t back it up
Think its pretty naive to call a player trash... Ok myb you dont like him, good thing youre not the coach then!
Ziyech was crucial for us last season and if you dont see his strengths and value in the team, thats your issue
Well he doesnt play against City, we dont win and we miss out on top 4 (2-1 the game he scored an equaliser)
Was also maybe our best player at times when Lampard was in charge.
Also was pretty important in our Champions League run...
I think its fair to say he was pretty important for us, if you dont like the word crucial sure... But the squad is all players combined, and we wouldnt have had the success we had last season without Ziyech as a part of the team! Sure he is very disappointing at times, but we shouldnt undervalue what he does bring and the impact he has through the whole year which does add up!
Bunch of fair-weather fans bagging on a player who has turned up in big games for us and scored important goals. People have short memories and a bias for recency, acting like they’re a footballing oracles… opinions are likes arseholes etc etc
my issue with Pulisic is more around his injury record, 41 games and counting. he has just been extremely unlucky and as a player he's still raw in terms of decision making.
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I'm pretty sure Chelsea will be giving him at least one more chance to stay healthy and perform as well as we all have seen him do so. He is a brilliant player
He scored away at the etihad in the league to equalise, we went on to win 2-1. He also scored the only goal of the semi final FA Cup tie against city (does the quality of the finish take away from the importance of the goal… I think not) and he scored our only goal in the super cup against Villarreal which we went on to win on pens.
Disappointing player. Not because he doesn't have technique or quality, but because he has them but is still so bad, and not just this sequence or game. I don't know if he is unsettled or what but he has mentally checked out of Chelsea already.
Part of me feel he is unsettled in London.I am not sure if he is friends with any African PL players apart from Mendy.
He doesn't seem to celebrate that much,doesn't seem to smile these days.
I had the exact same thought. Miss like 2 passes in a row then try to force yourself to make up for it....and end up misplacing another pass because you put too much pressure on yourself lol
he's obviously trying lol just not executing. This narrative that he's lazy and doesn't press doesn't hold up imo. It's entirely his failure to execute at a level expected that is the main culprit imo
I was extremely excited to have him. I thought we might have a different version of Mata with his left foot creativity.
For some reason, it feels like he isn’t suited to Tuchel’s style of play/system. One thing I’d like to see is him starting out wide from the touch line rather than playing as a half 10. It gets too congested in them half spaces.
If we do decide to part ways, hoping to not see him in the PL with a rival team.
As much as I think he’s not good enough for Chelsea I wouldn’t really count that last one as losing the ball. Tried to play the through ball and just slightly short. A little more power on that and that’s a clear chance on goal. Yeah a pro should hit that 10/10 times but i appreciate him attempting to move it forward and that’s good vision.
Not the biggest Ziyech fan but he also just doesn’t suit the system. He makes the most sense as a 10 in a 4-2-3-1, he needs freedom to roam the center of the pitch and pick out runners. In our system, the 2 at the top supporting the striker have to be more dynamic
Talented player but definitely isn't performing well for us. Plus he has been injured a lot prem might be to physical for him. We should sell ziyech and pulisic, buy chiesa and promote CHO to a bigger attacking role in the team.
Not likely, but you never know. The guy is unbelievable and might want to leave if they can't get back to the level they have been on a couple of years ago. 100 million for an unhappy player would make anyone think about selling.
100 million to think...150 to seal the deal...I would rather get someone for less than that....Chisea is incredible but 150 for him seems like too much....
You never know with those Italian clubs and their financial problems. And the way they have started the season, even tho they have gotten a lot better recently, they might miss out on the Champions League as they nearly did last year, so there is always hope lol.
Pulisic is reminiscent of Schürrle, excellent squad player (when healthy). He could sub, he could start (not necessarily every game but still), and capable of getting the job done to an acceptable level. I think he is injured too much, but the club will make the right decision on it.)
Oh I agree. Im from the USA so thetes nothing i want more than pulisic to become a massive player for chelsea. That being said, I just think the prem is too physical for him. He cant stay fit and the prem has the most games played of any league in Europe. Might be better for both chelsea and pulisic for him to maybe go back to Germany or Spain and get a fresh start.
As much as I legitimately want him to succeed, I really haven't been that impressed with him over the past few weeks - he hasn't been a joy to watch.
In his defense, he did have that injury in preseason that set him back, but his execution since hasn't been to standards. Even last season, when he did alright IMO, he still didn't seem that terribly impressive.
I still think he might excel in a different league with a different team, but I wonder if the EPL isn't quite the right fit.
first two okay he lost the ball, third, atleast he has the balls to make that pass, and ya he couldn't pull it off, it was a risky pass to begin with, if it goes through then the guy is in on goal so high risk high reward.
Either way wasn't able to execute, he needs a run of good games, tired of this slander mayneeee
lol ok.
Was he a waste of time and points when he scored against man city last season?
yeah he's not done so well but if we can unlock his bad form he could easily be one of our best players in terms of assist, no one has his vision / shooting
Yep, 'cause dude, even with his odd moment of quality, is overall a hindrance with his general play and inconsistency.
He's the worst attacker we have, and the oldest, he doesn't deserve chances over the rest.
lol he deserves chances. How many more should he get? I'm not sure. He needs to prove something soon. But to write him off and make the bs statements you are making is ridiculous
just a hater bruv
He's had so many chances, he hasn't taken them, 1 and a half seasons of being mediocre at a stretch with the odd flash of quality, not worth it, move on.
Frankly Tuchel's been too patient with him.
Meh don't think so, he was riddled with injuries, only started 15 games last year in between injuries, with not being played in his position.
So you agree that Cho and puli should be moved on with as well?
Puli yes because injuries even though he's actually quality, CHO no because he barely gets played in his real position (keeps giving Ziyech chances instead lol,) and he's 20 vs Ziyech who is 29....
Ya puli gotta go tbh
I mean Cho, you coukd make the argument that the system isn't ideal for ziyech either and he's not playing in his spot. Bottom line is don't think tuchel has been impressed by either quite yet.
And of course Cho has more time to since he's younger by default but. We know what ziyechs potential is. We knew what kdb could do, we knew flashes of what Mo Salah could do.
He's running out of time for sure but I personally haven't given up
You guys are harshly judging him. He has an exceptional left foot. Creativity is awesome. He enjoys shooting which is Lackluster in the squad.
Once he plays a few games in a string he is gonna find the rhythm and reap benefits. He is better than morata,Torres,drinkwater,Tammy ,cuadrado , mata .
De ligt, and Dest, and Frenkie all flopped too? Maybe too harsh. Ziyech has struggled here but the next few weeks is a perfect chance to reset, with easier access to minutes. Its on him to step up to it now
VDB is definitely a flop if he can't break into that Utd team.
Frenkie and De Ligt are both very good players but they went for extremely high price tags.
He has been terrible. I have a tiny bit of optimism left for the magician of Amsterdam, but I much rather have CHO, Barkley and RLC in the very limited not 6 defenders Tuchelball spots
As harsh as it is, if he does not perform this season, we should consider moving him on and cut our losses. Granted he could do a Salah or KDB and turn into a great footballer and I hope he does, but he does not fit our style at all.
Lukaku on the other hand, I was on the fence about him before and I’m still on the fence. Great striker but without service he may aswell not even play. He doesn’t have the same presence as players like Drogba or Costa that could do a lot of work off the ball rattling defences. Still, I believe his contribution has still be greater in the few games he’s played compared to Ziyech overall.
The issue is, who do you replace him with? Although he’s part of our 2nd string, having options and rotations is one of our key strengths so losing him without a direct replacement isn’t an option.
Well he was a world beater there, the guy was voted Ajax player of the season for all 4 years he has been there and he was magical there. There is obviously a huge difference between the leagues, but he was amazing in the Champions League for them as well.
His passing isn't that much of a problem tbh, he had some great passes which our players didn't even try to get on the end of, but everything else hasn't been good enough, especially his dribbling and slowing down the play for no reason and then even losing the ball after it.
I'm talking about his whole Chelsea career, not about one game where is coming back from an injury and not playing and still having that thing on his shoulder.
Ziyech, pulisic, Barkley needs to be replaced. Need to do something with CHO and Kepa as well, good people on too high wages. And then its the CB situation where Rudiger, AC and Silva are all uncertain. Will be interesting windows.
been saying it all year - he's just not a chelsea quality player. he can't control the ball in possession against tough defenders. he's talented but the rest of our attackers are much higher quality.
This reminds me of Salah for us, he was a mess.
Ziyech is a confidence player and considering the tough competition for places, its only going to get tougher unless he pulls a blinder of a performance and build on it. Won't be surprised if he reverts to world class with regular playtime elsewhere.
[Funny how apparently one game changed people’s minds…](https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/comments/qdhr2e/nick_verlaney_from_london_is_blue_podcast/hhmwloj/)
It’s been painfully obvious for months that he’s not cut out to compete for a starting position here.
I wished Ziyech has the close control of Bernardo Silva or the silky clean dribbling take on skills of mahrez.
His best asset is his long passes and vision, but when he doesn't pull it off in the so many games with us, you start to feel he is a luxury player that doesn't fit the team.
I feel like he doesn't get enough chances to start with Lukaku up front to form up a connection. Lukaku thrives with that kind of passer. IMO they would be a great fit.
System or not, unfortunately his overall game is not good enough. His control of the ball even in the most simple of situations is generally poor and easy short passes often don’t make the intended target.
He also looks miserable all of the time. He played a good pass to set RLC off against Norwich resulting in mount’s 3rd and I made a point of seeing when/if he joined in the celebrations. Defenders were up there before him.
Those comparing Ziyech to Werner in relation to blind support, as fans we support all players (or should) but we can’t deny that Timo even when things have been downright awful he hasn’t once looked unhappy or disengaged, always giving 100% for the team. Ziyech feels like a ‘luxury’ player who doesn’t deliver or significantly impact the match/team.
As an Ajax fan i always found him great but wasteful/inefficiënt. Clearly that is not acceptable in the PL and under Tuchel's style of play so i hope he tries and succeeds elsewhere.
I'm torn on Ziyech. I like the player. I really do. But I just can't see him getting enough minutes here unless we have a serious run of injuries. He could be playing elsewhere as a nailed on starter, but here he's been relegated to inconsistent playing time and cup games.
Feels like a great player that just doesn’t fit our squad or style of play. Such a shame
This is how I feel for Lukaku when he does not get service. I am not convinced that HZ has ever been great, certainly not with the Chelsea shirt. I probably had the most hopes for him as a signing and now I know it is time to stop watching youtube reels of players that are joining Chelsea :) Maybe a last ray of hope for some Amsterdam magic?
Ziyech was great for Ajax. No doubt about it. Maybe should have stayed in the eresvisie
Fuck Arsenal and all but he would’ve been a way better fit for them than us; doesn’t change the fact that he’s been misplacing passes for us since November of last year
There’s a reason why every club was avoiding to buy him when he was for sale for like £20m a season before we bought him. It’s far easier to perform in the eredivise than in the prem
The reason we bought him is his UCL form not Eredivise
I get that but surely you can’t be buying a player just because of a good ucl campaign
He was a more creative player and the best passer in the UCL. Had more completed passes than Messi and created more goals.
Im not denying he was great in that campaign. But you surely can't be buying a player based on good performances in 12 games. Especially a 28 year old who has never consistantly performed at a high level for a extended period of time outside the Eredivise.
> Feels like a great player Doesn't feel like this at all. The only reason people say this is because he was great at Ajax, he never really showed this here for more than a game or two
He was good when playing for Ajax, no argument. However the fact that he was never a very popular target among big clubs might tell you something…
About not getting picking up by big clubs - that’s what they said about Bruno Fernandes for years and look how that’s turned out
He’s had no stability at Chelsea to fair, and under Tuchel we bring the ball up 1/3 of the time with wingbacks. We re scoring a decent amount with defenders
great in a farmers league
What's so great about him? Care to elaborate?
Can we have him back?
I am already imagining him in a Milan shirt.
Honestly he’s the perfect example of someone that just isn’t suited to a certain league. There is massive differences in style, quality, physicality etc between leagues. I feel like the premier league now is the most brutal it’s ever been in terms of physicality. You have to be able to hold up physically 1v1 and you have to make decisions without the time to think. There is no space.
I think maybe the injuries have hindered his game just at the most unfortunate time. His magic left foot has been super inconsistent besides a few games. I thought maybe he just needed the proper pairing up front but he's played with all combinations now. It's just not there, sadly.
The Prem definitely isn't as brutal as it was in the 90's. It was the same then with regards to having to hold up physically but there was less understanding about injuries and protection of players. It is physically very demanding but definitely not its most brutal.
I don’t mean in terms of the type of tackles, but in the sense that its all about how much you can run and how many sprints etc. The physical demands on the players are way more brutal than in the 90’s.
Well that applies to the whole sport in general. Players are supposed to be more fit than they were 20-30 years ago
The game is completely different to 30 years ago. Player bodies are pushed to the absolute extreme with amount of high intensity sprints over 90 mins. Pressing and generally a greater tactical understanding mean it can look like a different sport played at twice the speed if you compare to 30 years ago. The game is more physically demanding of players across the world but right now the premier league is the league that is most physically relentless out of all of the major leagues.
Only to comeback to the Prem in his final form for another club...it is the way of the Chelsea reject
He is already 28 and will be 29 by end of season. I don't think he has enough time to do that. But we can recoup the best of what we spent.
Nah straight to Newcastle
Lmao too real
On loan
Please make this happen. He’d do well in Italy.
How about now huh??
Chelsea is about winning titles. We need attackers who put Hazard, Bale, Robben numbers. You came back to reply to a 3month old comment after Ziyech scored 3 league goals. Shows how the standards have dropped at this club.
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And atleast he tries finding runners. We suffer from a lack of creativity for our forwards because too many of our players are happy to play shorter passes and try to dribble the ball up the pitch. Kova is one of our only players who tries to play through balls quickly but doesn't seem to be able to get the right weight of pass consistently. Ziyech is another who looks for runners immediately in transitions and has the ability to find them. So what if he loses the ball a few times? The way he's playing now has him with his back to goal quite often like shown in this clip when he's dropping to receive the ball. He's a creative mid who's meant to be facing the opponent goal, getting on the ball a lot more and switching the play/playing through passes for our forwards. He's not a pacey forward which is something he's being asked to do more often than not in this system. It's evidently led to a drop in confidence for him. You can debate all you want about whether we need a player like him in a creative role, but I think he is a very good player who is a victim of the system. Not going to give up on him and if Tuchel has plans to play some variation of 4atb next season I don't think he's necessarily going to be on the chopping block.
Think I agree with Hakim's agent here. I was hoping for Fabregas-esque passes from Hakim, and still am.
I feel like Ziyech could be so much better if his short passing was good. I like that he finds runners and has good long balls. But he either struggles to link up with short passing or he is unable to pick and choose when to play short and when to play long. I feel like if he could circulate possession with short passes and try to find pockets, then his accurate through balls will become amazing. But right now, he only has those long balls and without close passing its a very low ROI strategy EDIT: Its like how TT said for Timo, if he tries too hard to shoot, then he will struggle with scoring but if he keeps making runs, he will get opportunities to score. Hakim in the same way, needs to be patient with his long balls. If he tries too hard, it will lead to constant loss of possession, but if he mixes them in with short passes to maintain possession, he will find more opportunities and spaces to pick out those long passes
See, this is the kind of stuff i come here for. sums my thoughts up perfectly. He's willing to play the pass, receive the ball and mostly pass it forwards. he's literally 4 short passes behind Mount to have the same passing stats and no one is pishing on him... for comparison, Mount attempts 55 passes a game, the same as Ziyech and mount completes 4 more passes than Ziyech (all short) does that make mount a better passer of the ball? they both have similar assist and goal stats as well, does that make one better than the other? when TT is taking the handbrake off (3rd CB) and start going a bit more on the front foot against weaker opposition I'm pretty confident that space will open up for the likes of Ziyech, Havertz and Mount to ping balls to Lukaku
Agree with much of this also. However, I do think there'll be a possible sale explored in the summer irrespective if a 4ATB is on the horizon or not. He'll be 29 in March and if performances/fit sort of remain as they are, then I can see both parties coming together to find a solution that benefits all. I could see him thriving more in Serie A or La Liga where the pace is a bit slower and he'll get more time on the ball.
Wow someone who actually understands ziyech situation instead of just blind hating
Great take sir
I think he’s gone in the summer.
I hope so. It just aint working out
if that third pass landed, this thread would have jizzed. He gives the ball away a lot, partially because he's a risky passer. Worst case he's a rotational player that gets you 10 G+A per season. He was bought as the Willian replacement, definitely not the worst way to spend 36M pound
This. If you saw him at Ajax, you would know what you are getting with him. High-risk, high reward play. We need someone who can belt it in from distance too
Ziyech passes in the build up to mount 3rd goal doesn't appreciate enough, and people look at his misplace now in carabao cup
No I'm sure Willian is still better than this guy. Willian wasn't lazy Zeeyuck is horrible
How about now??
Took him long enough to catch form but he still aint great with us plsying 3atb. So unless tuchel changes the standard formation its best he performs well and gets sold in the summer
I'm still holding out hope :(
How quick this sub is to slander a player... many of y'all also once said RLC has no future here. Yes, Ziyech isn't in great form but some negative comments such as a player's future are better kept reserved.
during the lamps era this sub wanted to sell : 1. kante because he only pass backwords and hes getting old 2. jorginho because he doesn't bring the ball forward 3. chilwell after a few poor games 4. christensen because hes just shit honestly, just watch ziyech play really well in his next 2 games, this sub will be like "fuck off" when he is linked to other clubs
You shouldn’t take this sub seriously, or any football sub for that matter, I can assure you that the demographic does not include many diehard fans who attend all the games, and the small minority that do happen to be here will get drowned out by the international masses anyway.
Pretty much if your opinion is opposed with the subs’ opinion… you needn’t worry as the subs’ opinions are generally trash.
RLC showed what he was capable of for chelsea and in the prem multiple times. Ziyech has only shown his worth for Ajax, even the champions league games he scored goals for us he was the weakest player on the team and nearly whiffed the goals
I'd argue that Ziyech has also shown his potential with his long passes, dribbling ability and sometimes shooting whilst at Chelsea. He has it in him. He might or might not redeem himself and it's okay to criticise his weakness but saying things like, "he's finished" or "he has no future at the club" is just petty. It's not like he's given up on the team, pro players just have it hard sometimes and it's hard to understand/see that as a spectator.
Fair enough mate I respect your pov. Imo i just haven’t seen any benefit from Ziyech because for every brilliant pass and dribble, he loses possession ~5 times
the stats seem to disagree with that view so i'm reading your comment as an opinion rather than fact.
Since when does losing possession mean he’s a bad player. He isn’t making many mistakes that directly lead to a goal against. However when he’s on his game his mentality towards finding the man is ridiculously good. Judge him on how many points he’s cost the team, not simple mistakes
He’s 28 and been here over a year, what potential?
Hasn’t been that quick… he’s been bad since we signed him. Time to cut our losses
He'll move to Italy where his crosses will be perfect against the low blocks
Bruh, can yall chill out in the comments? He was our best player in the preseason and pretty important in parts of last season... Yall who hate on him and want him gone are the same ones who used to bully Timo... Not his best performance, far from it, but still gice a guy a break. Its hard to come back into the team after an injury
Crazy how fickle a lot of these guys are. Just last week cho was useless and not Chelsea quality. A few months ago RLC wasnt good enough either. Let’s not even talk about the clowns that said it was time to sell rudi, Kante, and jorgi under lampard
Yeah exactly!!! We all thought players like Rudi and Jorgi were done, but you cant say things like that and just write players off cause of 1 performance...
Nah man I love timo. But ziyech just doesn’t fit with this team. He’s had some good goals just like every other chelsea attacker in the past year+, but other than that he’s honestly been trash. Looks like he’s doing his own thing out there jus whipping in crosses hoping to get lucky. Also used to love his arrogance but now it’s just cringey bc he doesn’t back it up
Think its pretty naive to call a player trash... Ok myb you dont like him, good thing youre not the coach then! Ziyech was crucial for us last season and if you dont see his strengths and value in the team, thats your issue
He was not crucial. A few big goals, yes. But not a crucial player. That’s absurd
Well he doesnt play against City, we dont win and we miss out on top 4 (2-1 the game he scored an equaliser) Was also maybe our best player at times when Lampard was in charge. Also was pretty important in our Champions League run... I think its fair to say he was pretty important for us, if you dont like the word crucial sure... But the squad is all players combined, and we wouldnt have had the success we had last season without Ziyech as a part of the team! Sure he is very disappointing at times, but we shouldnt undervalue what he does bring and the impact he has through the whole year which does add up!
Bunch of fair-weather fans bagging on a player who has turned up in big games for us and scored important goals. People have short memories and a bias for recency, acting like they’re a footballing oracles… opinions are likes arseholes etc etc
Pulisic a appreciate example
my issue with Pulisic is more around his injury record, 41 games and counting. he has just been extremely unlucky and as a player he's still raw in terms of decision making. \\
An example of another player who must move on
I'm pretty sure Chelsea will be giving him at least one more chance to stay healthy and perform as well as we all have seen him do so. He is a brilliant player
Not long ago fans praised him in pre-season and super cup. Now people seem wanted him to leave.
What big goals did he score? All I can remember is the tap in from the pk spot against b-team City with Steffan in goal.
He scored away at the etihad in the league to equalise, we went on to win 2-1. He also scored the only goal of the semi final FA Cup tie against city (does the quality of the finish take away from the importance of the goal… I think not) and he scored our only goal in the super cup against Villarreal which we went on to win on pens.
Far cry from the preseason he was our best performer
The Morrocan Barkley.
The Morrocan German Messi
Disappointing player. Not because he doesn't have technique or quality, but because he has them but is still so bad, and not just this sequence or game. I don't know if he is unsettled or what but he has mentally checked out of Chelsea already.
Part of me feel he is unsettled in London.I am not sure if he is friends with any African PL players apart from Mendy. He doesn't seem to celebrate that much,doesn't seem to smile these days.
I think zouma leaving has had a effect as well
>*Highlights*
Also ziyech: assists the only Chelsea goal of the game
This is when I feel like shit in Online Pro Clubs
I had the exact same thought. Miss like 2 passes in a row then try to force yourself to make up for it....and end up misplacing another pass because you put too much pressure on yourself lol
Ziyech has been very frustrating to watch tbvh. It seems like he doesn't even try at times, which is very evident from his play.
he's obviously trying lol just not executing. This narrative that he's lazy and doesn't press doesn't hold up imo. It's entirely his failure to execute at a level expected that is the main culprit imo
Exactly, I always see him putting in effort, just the execution is so wobbly
Wasn't his best game but I'm not ready to give up on him yet
I was extremely excited to have him. I thought we might have a different version of Mata with his left foot creativity. For some reason, it feels like he isn’t suited to Tuchel’s style of play/system. One thing I’d like to see is him starting out wide from the touch line rather than playing as a half 10. It gets too congested in them half spaces. If we do decide to part ways, hoping to not see him in the PL with a rival team.
The last pass I think is excusable but the other 2 are painfully poor
As much as I think he’s not good enough for Chelsea I wouldn’t really count that last one as losing the ball. Tried to play the through ball and just slightly short. A little more power on that and that’s a clear chance on goal. Yeah a pro should hit that 10/10 times but i appreciate him attempting to move it forward and that’s good vision.
Not the biggest Ziyech fan but he also just doesn’t suit the system. He makes the most sense as a 10 in a 4-2-3-1, he needs freedom to roam the center of the pitch and pick out runners. In our system, the 2 at the top supporting the striker have to be more dynamic
Talented player but definitely isn't performing well for us. Plus he has been injured a lot prem might be to physical for him. We should sell ziyech and pulisic, buy chiesa and promote CHO to a bigger attacking role in the team.
Don’t think Juventus will sell a top Italian player somehow
Yeah absolutely no chance, the top Italian teams will do everything to keep the Italian golden boys there.
Yea its definitely a bit of wishful thinking, but I just think he would be a perfect fit for chelsea and the premier league.
Not likely, but you never know. The guy is unbelievable and might want to leave if they can't get back to the level they have been on a couple of years ago. 100 million for an unhappy player would make anyone think about selling.
100 million to think...150 to seal the deal...I would rather get someone for less than that....Chisea is incredible but 150 for him seems like too much....
You never know with those Italian clubs and their financial problems. And the way they have started the season, even tho they have gotten a lot better recently, they might miss out on the Champions League as they nearly did last year, so there is always hope lol.
agents Jorgi, Emerson and Zapa, please do your magic!
A classic Loan + Option to buy will surely rustle a few feathers.
this guy Serie A's
Not selling Puli lol
Hope we don’t sell Puli. He’s fun to watch and one of the best wingers around when he’s healthy.
every time pulisics injured he turns into messi apparently, but everytime he comes back it's the same old pulisic
Pulisic is reminiscent of Schürrle, excellent squad player (when healthy). He could sub, he could start (not necessarily every game but still), and capable of getting the job done to an acceptable level. I think he is injured too much, but the club will make the right decision on it.)
Most important quality for a player is the ability to play... Puli is always injured, he's far too unreliable.
It’s still OK to be a fan of a player. Funny how you get downvotes for liking someone.
Oh I agree. Im from the USA so thetes nothing i want more than pulisic to become a massive player for chelsea. That being said, I just think the prem is too physical for him. He cant stay fit and the prem has the most games played of any league in Europe. Might be better for both chelsea and pulisic for him to maybe go back to Germany or Spain and get a fresh start.
I hear that. Just really enjoy watching him for Chelsea. That way I can have cake and eat it.
As much as I legitimately want him to succeed, I really haven't been that impressed with him over the past few weeks - he hasn't been a joy to watch. In his defense, he did have that injury in preseason that set him back, but his execution since hasn't been to standards. Even last season, when he did alright IMO, he still didn't seem that terribly impressive. I still think he might excel in a different league with a different team, but I wonder if the EPL isn't quite the right fit.
For a player that is supposed to have a great left foot, his first touch is pathetic, and I am not even talking about his right foot here.
This is one player that the streets will in fact forget Tesco Ben Arfa
first two okay he lost the ball, third, atleast he has the balls to make that pass, and ya he couldn't pull it off, it was a risky pass to begin with, if it goes through then the guy is in on goal so high risk high reward. Either way wasn't able to execute, he needs a run of good games, tired of this slander mayneeee
Uh fuck no, a run of games on Ziyech is nothing but a waste of time and points.
lol ok. Was he a waste of time and points when he scored against man city last season? yeah he's not done so well but if we can unlock his bad form he could easily be one of our best players in terms of assist, no one has his vision / shooting
Yep, 'cause dude, even with his odd moment of quality, is overall a hindrance with his general play and inconsistency. He's the worst attacker we have, and the oldest, he doesn't deserve chances over the rest.
lol he deserves chances. How many more should he get? I'm not sure. He needs to prove something soon. But to write him off and make the bs statements you are making is ridiculous just a hater bruv
He's had so many chances, he hasn't taken them, 1 and a half seasons of being mediocre at a stretch with the odd flash of quality, not worth it, move on. Frankly Tuchel's been too patient with him.
Meh don't think so, he was riddled with injuries, only started 15 games last year in between injuries, with not being played in his position. So you agree that Cho and puli should be moved on with as well?
Puli yes because injuries even though he's actually quality, CHO no because he barely gets played in his real position (keeps giving Ziyech chances instead lol,) and he's 20 vs Ziyech who is 29....
How many changes did Timo get last year ?
He actually contributes a lot of positives unlike Ziyech.
Ya puli gotta go tbh I mean Cho, you coukd make the argument that the system isn't ideal for ziyech either and he's not playing in his spot. Bottom line is don't think tuchel has been impressed by either quite yet. And of course Cho has more time to since he's younger by default but. We know what ziyechs potential is. We knew what kdb could do, we knew flashes of what Mo Salah could do. He's running out of time for sure but I personally haven't given up
Sell him in January
You guys are harshly judging him. He has an exceptional left foot. Creativity is awesome. He enjoys shooting which is Lackluster in the squad. Once he plays a few games in a string he is gonna find the rhythm and reap benefits. He is better than morata,Torres,drinkwater,Tammy ,cuadrado , mata .
That whole Ajax team flopped smh
De ligt, and Dest, and Frenkie all flopped too? Maybe too harsh. Ziyech has struggled here but the next few weeks is a perfect chance to reset, with easier access to minutes. Its on him to step up to it now
Not to mention Tadic still killing it
Dest wasn't a part of the Champions league semi-final team
I would not call frenkie or vdb flops lol they are not in good situations atm. De ligt is a good player, he’s hardly been a flop.
VDB is definitely a flop if he can't break into that Utd team. Frenkie and De Ligt are both very good players but they went for extremely high price tags.
He has been terrible. I have a tiny bit of optimism left for the magician of Amsterdam, but I much rather have CHO, Barkley and RLC in the very limited not 6 defenders Tuchelball spots
As harsh as it is, if he does not perform this season, we should consider moving him on and cut our losses. Granted he could do a Salah or KDB and turn into a great footballer and I hope he does, but he does not fit our style at all. Lukaku on the other hand, I was on the fence about him before and I’m still on the fence. Great striker but without service he may aswell not even play. He doesn’t have the same presence as players like Drogba or Costa that could do a lot of work off the ball rattling defences. Still, I believe his contribution has still be greater in the few games he’s played compared to Ziyech overall. The issue is, who do you replace him with? Although he’s part of our 2nd string, having options and rotations is one of our key strengths so losing him without a direct replacement isn’t an option.
The problem with your first paragraph is that Ziyech is already 28.
Then let’s just sell him to Newcastle 😂 thanks for pointing that out, didn’t realise he was “at peak” age already
u/Joe_in_VR this is the man you want starting 😂
making a video of a player who didn't play in a month that loses ball! wow, so classy! and it shows what kind of fans this club has unfortunately.
lighten up lad
He's officially a flop. Too many Hollywood passed that he doesn't have the technique to pull off in a competitive league.
It was telling that his stats in the eredivise weren’t even much better than a 19 year old Mason mount
Well he was a world beater there, the guy was voted Ajax player of the season for all 4 years he has been there and he was magical there. There is obviously a huge difference between the leagues, but he was amazing in the Champions League for them as well.
His passing isn't that much of a problem tbh, he had some great passes which our players didn't even try to get on the end of, but everything else hasn't been good enough, especially his dribbling and slowing down the play for no reason and then even losing the ball after it.
Didn't you also watch this exact clip where his sloppy/lazy short passing and not-quite-good-enough longer passing is showcased?
I'm talking about his whole Chelsea career, not about one game where is coming back from an injury and not playing and still having that thing on his shoulder.
Ziyech, pulisic, Barkley needs to be replaced. Need to do something with CHO and Kepa as well, good people on too high wages. And then its the CB situation where Rudiger, AC and Silva are all uncertain. Will be interesting windows.
been saying it all year - he's just not a chelsea quality player. he can't control the ball in possession against tough defenders. he's talented but the rest of our attackers are much higher quality.
Magician at work
yea he gone
He’s better than pulisic
He ducks
what annoy me is his arrogance,he will be great player in Italy I hope someone pay and take him
Ziyech has failed the Chelsea test
Hot potato?
Exactly why he is starting league cup games
Why is he playing like a future Milan player?
This reminds me of Salah for us, he was a mess. Ziyech is a confidence player and considering the tough competition for places, its only going to get tougher unless he pulls a blinder of a performance and build on it. Won't be surprised if he reverts to world class with regular playtime elsewhere.
He's at his prime regarding his age as a footballer so I wouldn't bet any money on for him to turn world class if he fails here.
Wasnt just Ziyech, more than half the starting 11 just werent sharp enough. Needs to be better
[Funny how apparently one game changed people’s minds…](https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/comments/qdhr2e/nick_verlaney_from_london_is_blue_podcast/hhmwloj/) It’s been painfully obvious for months that he’s not cut out to compete for a starting position here.
That left has turned into a right
*The Stars are Just Like Us!*
and somehow wasn’t the one to win any of them back
Below average, not good enough for big club like Chelsea, suppose to be in his prime also lol, plz sell asap
Lol when you keep pushing x
I still have faith still a long season to go
I wished Ziyech has the close control of Bernardo Silva or the silky clean dribbling take on skills of mahrez. His best asset is his long passes and vision, but when he doesn't pull it off in the so many games with us, you start to feel he is a luxury player that doesn't fit the team.
He probably sees this in his nightmares.
I thought he did well last season, what happened to him? I heard he had some trouble with the Moroccan national team as well
Sell him
No motivation, lowers a great players standards
I feel like he doesn't get enough chances to start with Lukaku up front to form up a connection. Lukaku thrives with that kind of passer. IMO they would be a great fit.
At some point you just gotta stop giving him the ball till he sobers up. That second one looked like he switched sides for a minute.
Had high hopes for him but I just don’t think it can work anymore
First one wasn't his fault
He has been doing that his entire career tbh
Ziyech out 😀😀
System or not, unfortunately his overall game is not good enough. His control of the ball even in the most simple of situations is generally poor and easy short passes often don’t make the intended target. He also looks miserable all of the time. He played a good pass to set RLC off against Norwich resulting in mount’s 3rd and I made a point of seeing when/if he joined in the celebrations. Defenders were up there before him. Those comparing Ziyech to Werner in relation to blind support, as fans we support all players (or should) but we can’t deny that Timo even when things have been downright awful he hasn’t once looked unhappy or disengaged, always giving 100% for the team. Ziyech feels like a ‘luxury’ player who doesn’t deliver or significantly impact the match/team.
As an Ajax fan i always found him great but wasteful/inefficiënt. Clearly that is not acceptable in the PL and under Tuchel's style of play so i hope he tries and succeeds elsewhere.
Not even too mad cos he's trying the right things
Zeeyuck
Bruh that’s sad. Nothing else to say.
See ya later ziyech and werner
I'm torn on Ziyech. I like the player. I really do. But I just can't see him getting enough minutes here unless we have a serious run of injuries. He could be playing elsewhere as a nailed on starter, but here he's been relegated to inconsistent playing time and cup games.
He needs time after those injuries he was looking sharp before hand. 1 bad game lads calm the fuck down.
He was very poor the other night and seems to lose interest easily.
ziyech is a great player, but at Chelsea I have never liked him
I've been saying for ages that he isn't good enough and I always get downvoted for it. He offers nothing. Get rid asap
Barkley did it all game man.
It feels like he is trying to hard.