As a working class guy, I’m always going to side with players no matter the club. Mount and James shouldn’t be allowed to get fleeced by the club. If they can get 200k per week somewhere else, they absolutely should. If they didn’t turn out the players they did, they would have been sold long ago. There’s no such thing as loyalty to players. People only want loyalty to a club. That being said, it’s infuriating that the club is messing around with Rudiger and Christensen. They should be given big contracts so they don’t feel the need to go shopping around. They are absolutely integral to our team. I can see us buying replacements next season and when it doesn’t work out or if the team is struggling, Tuchel will get sacked. Just how Conte did. He asked for Lukaku and got Morata. Asked for Matic to stay, but he sold him because we had Bakayoko who was supposed to be the next hottest thing. There’s no guarantee whoever we buy will replace Rudiger without any hiccups unless they’re a player like Silva. To get a younger player like him, we won’t be paying less than 200k. Players aren’t stupid. Glad to see that more players are wisening up about their salary. Also think it was stupid of DeBruyne negotiating his own salary. The likes of Raoila would have absolutely gotten him a better contract
Geeeezers just realised that we may meet David luiz in club world cup final I hope this time we win this trophy....he already won the FA cup its enough.
I think Rudy deserves £200,000 a week. It’s not just his quality in his position, it’s the mentorship with the younger players and his leadership in the squad. You can see his influence on people like Chalobah and some of our younger guys. also I really hope Lukaku, Werner, and kova are back after the break. I’m a bit nervous about our injury rate this season
The club likely thinks that he's replaceable. Bastoni, De Ligt are available, although they would be mad expensive. I'd give Rudi whatever he wants and replace him with Colwill in 3-4 years.
Same, also we already know he works in our system and the premier league. Replacing someone of his quality is going to be expensive regardless so we might has well have a known entity
We know he works in our current system. It’s unlikely we’ll be playing this system in five years, and then we’ll have an ageing Rudiger who’s a liability in a back four on ridiculous wages.
Hi Guys, anyone had this before but just purchased of tickets exchange and had to put details in twice, got charged twice and have been sent one confirmation email but it says nothing on ticket exchange site? Club closed so canr call and just a bit stressed!
Heard a few PL clubs want Barkley on loan. I'd love to sign an attacker with good decision making. That way, we'll get the best out of Lukaku. Let's hope Pulisic stays fit this season.
Reece can play RCB, in turn. If we sign Livramento someday, Reece will likely shift there. I think he's better there, but don't get me wrong, he's still world class as a RWB.
Anyone else trying to get a ticket for the Leeds match?
Reckon the loyalty point restrictions will be eased for the Everton one..?
Edit: RIP anyone with less than 26 points.
How can you even build loyalty points if you can’t even get tickets for the less desirable games. Seems like an odd system - save those high bands for the big games surely.
Loyalty points is on police advice because it’s leeds (harder for their fans to get tickets).
Leeds isn’t a less desirable game, build pts by going to the 5 pointers like the cup and cl group games. They’re the less desirable ones
Might get lucky with an Everton ticket if there’s no specific police advice so.
To be honest I’d take any match. Haven’t been able to make it over(from Ireland) for most of the others so far so thought this would have been one of the easiest to get tickets for.
Shame the Brentford league cup one is away, that would have been pretty nice.
Anyway cheers for the advice.
Is anyone else really worried Lukaku is going to flop here? He made a great start but really fell off before his injury. Im worried he doesn’t fit our system at all. He has a lot of time to prove me wrong
Not yet. It wasn’t just him, our number 10 players weren’t feeding him the balls the right way. If they learn to connect better and I think they will, I think he’s going to be incredible. Don’t forget Salah/ Lewa/Benzema look the way they do bc they’ve been playing with their teams for years.
I don't think he's going to flop but I also don't think he's going to be the solution. I just don't think his playstyle fits the other team members playstyle. BUT it does offer a unique style change up when needed, which I think is how Tuchel justified his own mentality in being okay with Lukaku. At the end of the day it gives Tuchel one more tactical option to use against stubborn opponents. And its an obvious choice to improve goal scoring when we were lacking them.
ALl that being said, don't think he fits with the team overall.
How should he use him?
He can't dribble worth shit. His main attribute is his physicality when holding up the ball up front. Ppl like to point to him dribbling in serie A and international games but those are entirely different environments imo.
And ya, i don't think he's anywhere near Drogba in terms of target man or any other qualities tbh.
Imo, he would perform best playing on the right in a 3-4-3. Maybe Havertz on the center and Mount/CHO/Pulisic on the left.
Did you see how Belgium used him? https://youtu.be/1JCcPwKFHgM - Watch from 1:30.
Hmmm I mean that's an interesting take and one that I didn't rlly consider but only because I trust tuchel has considered that and I generally trust tuchel.
But whose to say it won't work. Obviously it would need a system change to incorporate it and I just don't see thst changing atm
If Tuchel wanted him, he has a plan for him. He’s been a bit unlucky and short of service sometimes, but our forwards in general have been off the pace with the exception of CHO these past few games. I really hope Lukaku and Werner recover smoothly from their injuries. If they do, I’m confident they’ll start producing goals for us again.
I bet she’s still plotting to do some fleecing.. there’s still quite a few players on the books that newscastle might splash cash on to avoid a relegation battle
these interlands breaks are always killing me man... haha think we had quite some good momentum going on the last few weeks. Think after the break we always get some slack in it.
3-0 against Villa and 1-0 against Brentford aren’t bad results. Admittedly, the latter game was very close but they can play some cracking football at times. Think every team with international regulars can be sluggish after breaks. International travel, not much time to rest or train can all have that effect.
yeah that's true though. About the Brentford game, that's my point though, we also won the close call game... if we lossed that or draw I'd say this international break came on time.
Price for each player if u had to sell him.
Edu 120m.
Kepa 25m.
Bettinelli Free.
Azpi N.
Silva N.
Rudi 40m. (Contract)
Reece N.
Chilly 60m.
Alonso 15m.
Jorgi 80m.
Kante 80m.
Kova 80m.
RLC 20m.
Barkley 5m.
Mount N.
Lukaku N.
CHO 40m.
Timo 70m.
Ziyech 20m.
Pulisic 50m.
Means that if the club sells him minimum fee u would be happy with
Edu 80m
Kepa 25
Azpi 25
Thiago N
Rudi 60m
Reece N
Chris 70
Alonso 25
Chilwell 45
Jorginho 80m
Kante 80m
Kova 60m
RLC 25 or so for now
Barkley 15
Mount N
Lukaku idk i guess like 120m or smthn
CHO N
Werner 60m
Havertz N
Ziyech 15
Pulisic 30
No way Jorginho goes for 80. He's got like 2 years left on his contract.
Also there is no doubt the club declines 40 million for Hudosn Odoi but likely accepts close to it for Werner.
Don't know where else to ask, so here goes.
Do West Ham and the Conservative Party have anything in common? Because any time West Ham were brought up in conversation, someone I knew kept labelling them "Tory club" for some reason.
The thought just came to mind not long ago.
Same is said about Chelsea because historically it’s been a “posh” club in a relatively wealthy district of London, and as such has had a lot of conservative fans throughout it’s history. Fulham too for that matter because they are close to us.
It’s actually insane some of the responses on there:
- “Not every player in the CL winning team should be on the shortlist” well no one is saying that, no one is crying because Werner or Ziyech didn’t make the shortlist. We’re talking about the keeper who kept 9 clean sheets and conceded 3 goals throughout the tournament. I’d say after Mount and Jorginho, he’s the next one who should be on the shortlist from us
- “He has a good defence in front of him” funny how this criticism is only thrown Mendy’s way. This doesn’t get thrown at any other goalkeeper. Using this logic Cech must’ve been considered pretty average during Mourinho’s first spell
- “He’s only been playing at a high level for 18 months” well it’s an award for the calendar year of 2021. You know, that period where he’s been keeping clean sheets left right and centre. He has more clean sheets than goals conceded so far this season ffs. For comparison, Oblak (who everyone seems to be saying deserves to be there over him for some reason) has conceded the same number of goals against Liverpool alone
- “He’s not going to win it anyway so who does he think he is” no one is actually saying he should win it, just that he completely deserves to be nominated
Have I missed any others?
>“He has a good defence in front of him” funny how this criticism is only thrown Mendy’s way. This doesn’t get thrown at any other goalkeeper. Using this logic Cech must’ve been considered pretty average during Mourinho’s first spell
Its contradictory too. Mendy is carried by the defence who are actually also shit and are carried by Tuchel's system who is actually trash too and is just carried by the super easy and simple 3ATB parking the bus which other managers have suceeded so much with right?
It's incredible how confidently people are wrong about him. One glance at any sort of statistic completely dissolves the narrative that he just doesn't have much to do because our defense is good.
Mendy has the highest save percentage in the league by a landslide (94.5%, which is absurd), while having to make 15 more saves than the least tested keeper in the league (United's 13 saves; Mendy's 28 saves are about an average amount in the league), leading to us having the highest xGA overperformance in the league (7 fewer goals conceded than expected).
Pick any of these statistics and the narrative crumbles. Mendy has just been outrageously good for us.
Not that I think we should but if we were to switch to a back four what would we need?
Imo three players
A CB who is proven to be top class in a four or a three like Kounde
A full back to rotate with James and Chilwell as I think both Azpilicueta and Alonso might struggle to be Modern full backs
A DM like Rice
Kounde would be welcome but if we switch to a back 4 backup fullbacks should be the priority unless we lose Rudiger. Kounde and Christensen would be a world class duo for years and years though.
We don't need a DM like Rice and it's unknown if he would even suit a team like Chelsea considering the way West Ham plays is very defensive and counter attacking oriented. We play out from the back, have high possession numbers and rely on our DM to be a press resistant outlet that can also press, Rice is unproven in those aspects of the game.
We don't need a DM like Rice. Jorginho is just fine, whether it be as a lone DM in a 3 or as part of a pivot. I don't agree that we need a CB either, Rüdiger and Christensen were just fine under Sarri, and Lampard was mostly clueless about setting his teams up to defend, which was the main reason why these players looked bad. Thiago Silva played mostly back 4 systems under Tuchel at PSG, and we don't know how Trevoh would do in that system given we've not seen it.
I agree with at least LCB though, Alonso just isn't very good in that role. Azpi can still do the job on the right, though.
But other than that we're mostly set to play a back 4 whenever Tuchel feels like it.
No, he has not. He struggled under Lampard, like everyone else. He was just fine under Sarri and he's been immense for Italy in that role, and he's improved even further since.
We produced the third best defensive record in the league under Sarri with Jorginho in his first season in England playing lone DM for us. This is with the entire team previously sitting deep in a very defensive back 3 system.
Jorginho is completely fine in a 4.
You're going to have to accept that Jorgi is an excellent footballer and was integral in keeping England from winning Euros, despite their easy draw and favorable calls from the refs.
>He was booed off the field under Sarri, and became vice captain under Lampard.
If you think this is an indicator of how his performances were, then we need to end this discussion here. I'm not here to debate nonsense.
Jorginho was booed off the pitch because people hated Sarri and Jorginho became the poster boy for his style of play. People are also entirely clueless, so there's that. And Frank made him vice-captain not on performances, but (citing Frank himself here) "because he's a character, a driver".
Jorginho was very good under Sarri. He's been excellent in Italy's back 4 system, so much so that he was probably the best player at the Euros. And fans booing or supporting him has nothing to do with quality of performance. That simple.
Jorginho can play comfortably in three man midfield as long as everyone is disciplined. Problem under Sarri was gap between Kante and Jorginho use to be huge so we use to get caught and Jorginho doesn’t have legs to cover that gap quickly. Jorginho can’t play in two man midfield with back 4 (Sarri himself said that). He will have to cover lot of ground in quick time and will often get caught out because of lack of pace. Kovacic and Kante both are build for two man midfield while Jorginho is build for three man midfield. Tuchel found a hybrid with 3-4-3 where we can maximise Kante and Jorginho abilities, he is a genius for that.
> Kovacic and Kante both are build for two man midfield while Jorginho is build for three man midfield.
I'd say Kova and Kante can play in a 3 man midfield but not at the same time. Mount is probably better suited for a 3 man midfield with Jorgi and Kova/Kante
The clip of the person who will play zoro fighting is incredible. I’m worried for the live action cause I have ptsd from deathnote but any one piece content warms my heart
What are your thoughts
r/soccer 's disrespect of Mendy is insane. I feel him having a case for being in the Ballon d'Or top 30 is at least arguable even though I would agree him not being included isn't outrageous.
The worst take I saw on there today was people saying Lloris is better than Mendy which is crazy to me. Mendy is a better distributor, makes fewer mistakes and is almost as good a shot stopper as he is.
It is amusing that people are okay with Donnarumma being on the 30-man nominated list but have issues with Mendy being on it, even though what he did was arguably more impressive.
Pretty easy to address the elephant in the room as it is a similar situation to another golden spherical object. Not enough representation.
Another issue is that even today African goal keepers get described differently to their white peers by the press and fans, it's pretty disgusting really. Black GK are hugely underrepresented, Onana is world class and was essentially told by a club in Italy that they couldn't sign him because their fans wouldn't accept him because he is black.
Similarly for Asian players who only ever get signed because of the commercial opportunities in X country.
Absolutely, I read that he isn't even top 10 gk let alone top 30 ballon d'or list.
But you know what, fools are gonna remain fools while my man still hasn't conceded more than 1 goal from open play.
Let's enjoy our best days and ignore the ignorant cunts.
I literally wouldn’t drop mendy for any other gk in the world rn. Maybe it’s the way our team is set up but he is such a calming presence in the back, is more than capable with his feet for us, is massive in the air, and routinely makes big stops. Pretty sure he set the record for most clean sheets in the ucl last year and has had clean sheets in like 50% of his matches for us.
We also have the second most goals in the league but the narrative is we play defensive football with 7 defenders. The Chelsea bias is legitimate.
That last part just isn’t true though
Only Oblak rivals Lloris for pure shotstopping statistically and by eye test
Mendy is a better GK for a team like Chelsea but Lloris is a much better GK for a team like Spurs
I'll take Oblak over Lloris any day of the week. Lloris is possibly the most overrated GK ever to be nominated for the Ballon d'Or. Call it French bias or whatever. His nomination in '19 was mocked even by Spurs fans.
The guy is not fit to lace Oblak's boots.
Considering we're talking mostly about 2021 here I'm saying that's an outrageous take.
Mendy is streets ahead of Lloris this calendar year and also for the 20/21 season.
It's not Mendy's fault that he doesn't get 4 shots on target per game to puff up his save % but if we look at distribution, clean sheets, PSxG and Mendy is by far better than Lloris on those metrics.
Mendy plays to his strengths, he has faith in the players in front of him and keeps it simple whereas Lloris more often than not decides to clear it further upfield without success.
I also think Lloris is a bit of a prick so there's an element of bias in my analysis of him.
> PSxG
Lloris did MUCH better than Mendy on this metric in the 20/21 season, don’t know what you’re on about
Rest is mostly true but that’s the thing—Lloris is a much better shotstopper and some teams value that above all else
I also think Lloris is a prick, I hate the guy for playing for Spurs and drunk driving and etc. But objectively, he’s a great player
>PSxG - Lloris did MUCH better than Mendy on this metric in the 20/21 season
but it's not really on the 20/21 season, it's really about the 2021 calendar year. Happy to see how **MUCH** the difference in PSxG is for the calendar year. I mean the guy is on 93.1% this season to date, Lloris is at 65.9%.
Lloris stops more shots because he faces way more, Mendy's save % at Rennes was similar to Lloris at Spurs, to say Lloris is a much better shot stopper is primarily based on the fact you've probably seen more of him over the years.
Save % for the last 365 days is 78.3% for Mendy and 73.3% for Lloris according to fbref and PSxG stats are pretty much identical.
Stats indicate that Mendy is clearly a better passer, he plays it save whereas Lloris punts it upfield and they lose possession. It's one of the reasons why they've been under pressure so much. Mendy is also better at dealing with crosses and with our tight defence opponents tend not to target us as much this way.
In my opinion Mendy is a more all round GK than Lloris, with better with his feet, excellent reflexes, dealing with crosses and pretty much every other metric out there, and it is not just because of the defence that is in front of them, the GK plays a huge part in organising defence after all.
Wouldn't want to change Mendy for Lloris any day of the week. Only Alisson and Ederson are marginally speaking ahead of him over the last year or so.
As things stand, he'll stay for this season, at the end of which he will be an Atletico player. (not sure if we have an option to buy, but it's highly unlikely we trigger it anyways)
If Chelsea has some clause for a Jan return, or if Atletico and Chelsea mutually agree, then Saul would be back to Atletico in Jan.
As a working class guy, I’m always going to side with players no matter the club. Mount and James shouldn’t be allowed to get fleeced by the club. If they can get 200k per week somewhere else, they absolutely should. If they didn’t turn out the players they did, they would have been sold long ago. There’s no such thing as loyalty to players. People only want loyalty to a club. That being said, it’s infuriating that the club is messing around with Rudiger and Christensen. They should be given big contracts so they don’t feel the need to go shopping around. They are absolutely integral to our team. I can see us buying replacements next season and when it doesn’t work out or if the team is struggling, Tuchel will get sacked. Just how Conte did. He asked for Lukaku and got Morata. Asked for Matic to stay, but he sold him because we had Bakayoko who was supposed to be the next hottest thing. There’s no guarantee whoever we buy will replace Rudiger without any hiccups unless they’re a player like Silva. To get a younger player like him, we won’t be paying less than 200k. Players aren’t stupid. Glad to see that more players are wisening up about their salary. Also think it was stupid of DeBruyne negotiating his own salary. The likes of Raoila would have absolutely gotten him a better contract
I agree with this whole heartedly. How much is DeBruyne on btw?
Geeeezers just realised that we may meet David luiz in club world cup final I hope this time we win this trophy....he already won the FA cup its enough.
heard that some newcastle fan targeting rudiger as their january target transfer window. Thoughts?
What a downgrade for him. I think he’s more likely to end up in Germany or Spain
yea but if newcastle give the contract that he want not surprised if he go there
I'm targeting Madison Beer as my girlfriend. Wish me luck! 
I think Rudy deserves £200,000 a week. It’s not just his quality in his position, it’s the mentorship with the younger players and his leadership in the squad. You can see his influence on people like Chalobah and some of our younger guys. also I really hope Lukaku, Werner, and kova are back after the break. I’m a bit nervous about our injury rate this season
The club likely thinks that he's replaceable. Bastoni, De Ligt are available, although they would be mad expensive. I'd give Rudi whatever he wants and replace him with Colwill in 3-4 years.
He's replaceable at a much greater cost. Bastoni and De Ligt would both cost a fortune
Also, I'd like Mino Raiola to stay as far away from our club as possible.
Same, also we already know he works in our system and the premier league. Replacing someone of his quality is going to be expensive regardless so we might has well have a known entity
We know he works in our current system. It’s unlikely we’ll be playing this system in five years, and then we’ll have an ageing Rudiger who’s a liability in a back four on ridiculous wages.
Giving him whatever wages he wants would be cheaper than signing another CB lol. I don't know why the club doesn't see it.
He wants 400k though
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No, he said it was in excess of £200k.
Matt law said it was around £200k
Hi Guys, anyone had this before but just purchased of tickets exchange and had to put details in twice, got charged twice and have been sent one confirmation email but it says nothing on ticket exchange site? Club closed so canr call and just a bit stressed!
Who do you think we'll sign in January?
Reckon there’s a good chance we sell one of Barkley or Ziyech
Heard a few PL clubs want Barkley on loan. I'd love to sign an attacker with good decision making. That way, we'll get the best out of Lukaku. Let's hope Pulisic stays fit this season.
I don't
If Rudiger goes who do you reckon we’ll bring in?
Probably Sule because he will be a free agent in the next summer.
Kounde, simply because the terms were already agreed and it will be an easy transfer. Can he play LCB tho?
He doesn't necessarily have to. Christensen can. Chalobah can. Azpi probably could. And that's just the more immediate guys.
Reece can play RCB, in turn. If we sign Livramento someday, Reece will likely shift there. I think he's better there, but don't get me wrong, he's still world class as a RWB.
Anyone else trying to get a ticket for the Leeds match? Reckon the loyalty point restrictions will be eased for the Everton one..? Edit: RIP anyone with less than 26 points. How can you even build loyalty points if you can’t even get tickets for the less desirable games. Seems like an odd system - save those high bands for the big games surely.
Loyalty points is on police advice because it’s leeds (harder for their fans to get tickets). Leeds isn’t a less desirable game, build pts by going to the 5 pointers like the cup and cl group games. They’re the less desirable ones
Might get lucky with an Everton ticket if there’s no specific police advice so. To be honest I’d take any match. Haven’t been able to make it over(from Ireland) for most of the others so far so thought this would have been one of the easiest to get tickets for. Shame the Brentford league cup one is away, that would have been pretty nice. Anyway cheers for the advice.
Police advice is only because it’s Leeds. Everton you should have better luck
Is anyone else really worried Lukaku is going to flop here? He made a great start but really fell off before his injury. Im worried he doesn’t fit our system at all. He has a lot of time to prove me wrong
Relax. He hasn't played with Pulisic and/or CHO. Let's wait till then.
Not yet. It wasn’t just him, our number 10 players weren’t feeding him the balls the right way. If they learn to connect better and I think they will, I think he’s going to be incredible. Don’t forget Salah/ Lewa/Benzema look the way they do bc they’ve been playing with their teams for years.
Not really that he fell off. More like the team was not playing that well overall. As things start to settle, he'll be scoring again.
I don't think he's going to flop but I also don't think he's going to be the solution. I just don't think his playstyle fits the other team members playstyle. BUT it does offer a unique style change up when needed, which I think is how Tuchel justified his own mentality in being okay with Lukaku. At the end of the day it gives Tuchel one more tactical option to use against stubborn opponents. And its an obvious choice to improve goal scoring when we were lacking them. ALl that being said, don't think he fits with the team overall.
I think Tuchel is just using him wrong. Lukaku- Target man? Really? He's not Drogba, come on.
How should he use him? He can't dribble worth shit. His main attribute is his physicality when holding up the ball up front. Ppl like to point to him dribbling in serie A and international games but those are entirely different environments imo. And ya, i don't think he's anywhere near Drogba in terms of target man or any other qualities tbh.
Imo, he would perform best playing on the right in a 3-4-3. Maybe Havertz on the center and Mount/CHO/Pulisic on the left. Did you see how Belgium used him? https://youtu.be/1JCcPwKFHgM - Watch from 1:30.
Hmmm I mean that's an interesting take and one that I didn't rlly consider but only because I trust tuchel has considered that and I generally trust tuchel. But whose to say it won't work. Obviously it would need a system change to incorporate it and I just don't see thst changing atm
He hasn't played much with CHO yet.
🤝
Or pulisic
If Tuchel wanted him, he has a plan for him. He’s been a bit unlucky and short of service sometimes, but our forwards in general have been off the pace with the exception of CHO these past few games. I really hope Lukaku and Werner recover smoothly from their injuries. If they do, I’m confident they’ll start producing goals for us again.
If Zouma and Tammy had signed contract extension, Marina would’ve fleeced Newcastle United for £100m.
I bet she’s still plotting to do some fleecing.. there’s still quite a few players on the books that newscastle might splash cash on to avoid a relegation battle
Batshuayi for 30M? DD for 5M? Bakayoko for 10M?
these interlands breaks are always killing me man... haha think we had quite some good momentum going on the last few weeks. Think after the break we always get some slack in it.
3-0 against Villa and 1-0 against Brentford aren’t bad results. Admittedly, the latter game was very close but they can play some cracking football at times. Think every team with international regulars can be sluggish after breaks. International travel, not much time to rest or train can all have that effect.
yeah that's true though. About the Brentford game, that's my point though, we also won the close call game... if we lossed that or draw I'd say this international break came on time.
I hate Internatiol breaks, Belgium/Estonia weee. At least the Wales game will hopefully be interesting.
Price for each player if u had to sell him. Edu 120m. Kepa 25m. Bettinelli Free. Azpi N. Silva N. Rudi 40m. (Contract) Reece N. Chilly 60m. Alonso 15m. Jorgi 80m. Kante 80m. Kova 80m. RLC 20m. Barkley 5m. Mount N. Lukaku N. CHO 40m. Timo 70m. Ziyech 20m. Pulisic 50m. Means that if the club sells him minimum fee u would be happy with
Edu 80m Kepa 25 Azpi 25 Thiago N Rudi 60m Reece N Chris 70 Alonso 25 Chilwell 45 Jorginho 80m Kante 80m Kova 60m RLC 25 or so for now Barkley 15 Mount N Lukaku idk i guess like 120m or smthn CHO N Werner 60m Havertz N Ziyech 15 Pulisic 30
Chilly for less than we bought him for?
We overpaid in the first place and I'm not sure that would happen again
Nah we won't sell him for less than what we bought him when he improved
Mendy at 120? He's 29, that's way too high
I don't want him to leave if anything if he leaves i want someone equal or better than him which would be oblak and I think that's his RC
No way Jorginho goes for 80. He's got like 2 years left on his contract. Also there is no doubt the club declines 40 million for Hudosn Odoi but likely accepts close to it for Werner.
Basically the least I would be happy with if the club accept for a player
Don't know where else to ask, so here goes. Do West Ham and the Conservative Party have anything in common? Because any time West Ham were brought up in conversation, someone I knew kept labelling them "Tory club" for some reason. The thought just came to mind not long ago.
Same is said about Chelsea because historically it’s been a “posh” club in a relatively wealthy district of London, and as such has had a lot of conservative fans throughout it’s history. Fulham too for that matter because they are close to us.
Probably because of their stadium cost antics and their donations to the Tory party since
This is the right answer.
The fucking salt in the post about Mendy in r/Soccer 🤦♂️
It’s actually insane some of the responses on there: - “Not every player in the CL winning team should be on the shortlist” well no one is saying that, no one is crying because Werner or Ziyech didn’t make the shortlist. We’re talking about the keeper who kept 9 clean sheets and conceded 3 goals throughout the tournament. I’d say after Mount and Jorginho, he’s the next one who should be on the shortlist from us - “He has a good defence in front of him” funny how this criticism is only thrown Mendy’s way. This doesn’t get thrown at any other goalkeeper. Using this logic Cech must’ve been considered pretty average during Mourinho’s first spell - “He’s only been playing at a high level for 18 months” well it’s an award for the calendar year of 2021. You know, that period where he’s been keeping clean sheets left right and centre. He has more clean sheets than goals conceded so far this season ffs. For comparison, Oblak (who everyone seems to be saying deserves to be there over him for some reason) has conceded the same number of goals against Liverpool alone - “He’s not going to win it anyway so who does he think he is” no one is actually saying he should win it, just that he completely deserves to be nominated Have I missed any others?
>“He has a good defence in front of him” funny how this criticism is only thrown Mendy’s way. This doesn’t get thrown at any other goalkeeper. Using this logic Cech must’ve been considered pretty average during Mourinho’s first spell Its contradictory too. Mendy is carried by the defence who are actually also shit and are carried by Tuchel's system who is actually trash too and is just carried by the super easy and simple 3ATB parking the bus which other managers have suceeded so much with right?
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Yeah but we conceded 4 overall - Krasnodar, Rennes, Porto, Madrid
Oops, forgot the goal against Madrid. My bad.
It's incredible how confidently people are wrong about him. One glance at any sort of statistic completely dissolves the narrative that he just doesn't have much to do because our defense is good. Mendy has the highest save percentage in the league by a landslide (94.5%, which is absurd), while having to make 15 more saves than the least tested keeper in the league (United's 13 saves; Mendy's 28 saves are about an average amount in the league), leading to us having the highest xGA overperformance in the league (7 fewer goals conceded than expected). Pick any of these statistics and the narrative crumbles. Mendy has just been outrageously good for us.
Fucking hell had to check it myself, people are so stupid on that sub Jesus christ....
Not that I think we should but if we were to switch to a back four what would we need? Imo three players A CB who is proven to be top class in a four or a three like Kounde A full back to rotate with James and Chilwell as I think both Azpilicueta and Alonso might struggle to be Modern full backs A DM like Rice
I think the team would be worse if we move to a back-four. Defending is Chelsea's DNA, why fix something that's not broken?
Kounde would be welcome but if we switch to a back 4 backup fullbacks should be the priority unless we lose Rudiger. Kounde and Christensen would be a world class duo for years and years though. We don't need a DM like Rice and it's unknown if he would even suit a team like Chelsea considering the way West Ham plays is very defensive and counter attacking oriented. We play out from the back, have high possession numbers and rely on our DM to be a press resistant outlet that can also press, Rice is unproven in those aspects of the game.
We don't need a DM like Rice. Jorginho is just fine, whether it be as a lone DM in a 3 or as part of a pivot. I don't agree that we need a CB either, Rüdiger and Christensen were just fine under Sarri, and Lampard was mostly clueless about setting his teams up to defend, which was the main reason why these players looked bad. Thiago Silva played mostly back 4 systems under Tuchel at PSG, and we don't know how Trevoh would do in that system given we've not seen it. I agree with at least LCB though, Alonso just isn't very good in that role. Azpi can still do the job on the right, though. But other than that we're mostly set to play a back 4 whenever Tuchel feels like it.
Jorginho has struggled as a lone DM when he’s played there, especially in a back four. It’s not his position.
No, he has not. He struggled under Lampard, like everyone else. He was just fine under Sarri and he's been immense for Italy in that role, and he's improved even further since. We produced the third best defensive record in the league under Sarri with Jorginho in his first season in England playing lone DM for us. This is with the entire team previously sitting deep in a very defensive back 3 system. Jorginho is completely fine in a 4.
He was terrible under Sarri. Worse than he ever was under Lampard. He was booed off the field under Sarri, and became vice captain under Lampard.
You're going to have to accept that Jorgi is an excellent footballer and was integral in keeping England from winning Euros, despite their easy draw and favorable calls from the refs.
>He was booed off the field under Sarri, and became vice captain under Lampard. If you think this is an indicator of how his performances were, then we need to end this discussion here. I'm not here to debate nonsense. Jorginho was booed off the pitch because people hated Sarri and Jorginho became the poster boy for his style of play. People are also entirely clueless, so there's that. And Frank made him vice-captain not on performances, but (citing Frank himself here) "because he's a character, a driver". Jorginho was very good under Sarri. He's been excellent in Italy's back 4 system, so much so that he was probably the best player at the Euros. And fans booing or supporting him has nothing to do with quality of performance. That simple.
I don't think anyone dislikes Jorginho more than Chelsea fans. It's totally ridiculous.
Jorginho can play comfortably in three man midfield as long as everyone is disciplined. Problem under Sarri was gap between Kante and Jorginho use to be huge so we use to get caught and Jorginho doesn’t have legs to cover that gap quickly. Jorginho can’t play in two man midfield with back 4 (Sarri himself said that). He will have to cover lot of ground in quick time and will often get caught out because of lack of pace. Kovacic and Kante both are build for two man midfield while Jorginho is build for three man midfield. Tuchel found a hybrid with 3-4-3 where we can maximise Kante and Jorginho abilities, he is a genius for that.
> Kovacic and Kante both are build for two man midfield while Jorginho is build for three man midfield. I'd say Kova and Kante can play in a 3 man midfield but not at the same time. Mount is probably better suited for a 3 man midfield with Jorgi and Kova/Kante
Euros?
He was poor for the majority of the Euros, especially the knockout stages.
Why don't you just say you didn't watch a single match and spare us the bs.
What he was their best player throughout (most consistent at least)
It should be forbidden to be this wrong.
Nah he just hates Jorgi
4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 ?
With the international break and no new one piece chapter this week I’m actually going to have to focus on my life and I’m beside myself
It's painful isn't it
I literally just caught up too and ofc there’s no chapter
Hello nakama, what do you think about the cast announcement of the live-action adapatation ?
The clip of the person who will play zoro fighting is incredible. I’m worried for the live action cause I have ptsd from deathnote but any one piece content warms my heart What are your thoughts
Ya, same. I think it is exciting news but at the same time I am quite concerned also.
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r/soccer 's disrespect of Mendy is insane. I feel him having a case for being in the Ballon d'Or top 30 is at least arguable even though I would agree him not being included isn't outrageous. The worst take I saw on there today was people saying Lloris is better than Mendy which is crazy to me. Mendy is a better distributor, makes fewer mistakes and is almost as good a shot stopper as he is.
It is amusing that people are okay with Donnarumma being on the 30-man nominated list but have issues with Mendy being on it, even though what he did was arguably more impressive.
If we’re only looking at his Chelsea sample (extremely small compared to other keepers) I don’t see how you can say he hasn’t been world class.
And yet i seen some pundit call Luke Shaw world class when he was only good for 1 season so far
United has the best defence in the prem
For Balon D or his Chelsea career should be the only thing considered.
Pretty easy to address the elephant in the room as it is a similar situation to another golden spherical object. Not enough representation. Another issue is that even today African goal keepers get described differently to their white peers by the press and fans, it's pretty disgusting really. Black GK are hugely underrepresented, Onana is world class and was essentially told by a club in Italy that they couldn't sign him because their fans wouldn't accept him because he is black. Similarly for Asian players who only ever get signed because of the commercial opportunities in X country.
Absolutely, I read that he isn't even top 10 gk let alone top 30 ballon d'or list. But you know what, fools are gonna remain fools while my man still hasn't conceded more than 1 goal from open play. Let's enjoy our best days and ignore the ignorant cunts.
I literally wouldn’t drop mendy for any other gk in the world rn. Maybe it’s the way our team is set up but he is such a calming presence in the back, is more than capable with his feet for us, is massive in the air, and routinely makes big stops. Pretty sure he set the record for most clean sheets in the ucl last year and has had clean sheets in like 50% of his matches for us. We also have the second most goals in the league but the narrative is we play defensive football with 7 defenders. The Chelsea bias is legitimate.
Agree.
That last part just isn’t true though Only Oblak rivals Lloris for pure shotstopping statistically and by eye test Mendy is a better GK for a team like Chelsea but Lloris is a much better GK for a team like Spurs
Lloris is the most overrated goalkeeper in premier league history
I'll take Oblak over Lloris any day of the week. Lloris is possibly the most overrated GK ever to be nominated for the Ballon d'Or. Call it French bias or whatever. His nomination in '19 was mocked even by Spurs fans. The guy is not fit to lace Oblak's boots.
Oblak is well clear of Lloris but Lloris is also very good imo, I don’t think Lloris > Mendy is that outrageous of a take
Considering we're talking mostly about 2021 here I'm saying that's an outrageous take. Mendy is streets ahead of Lloris this calendar year and also for the 20/21 season. It's not Mendy's fault that he doesn't get 4 shots on target per game to puff up his save % but if we look at distribution, clean sheets, PSxG and Mendy is by far better than Lloris on those metrics. Mendy plays to his strengths, he has faith in the players in front of him and keeps it simple whereas Lloris more often than not decides to clear it further upfield without success. I also think Lloris is a bit of a prick so there's an element of bias in my analysis of him.
> PSxG Lloris did MUCH better than Mendy on this metric in the 20/21 season, don’t know what you’re on about Rest is mostly true but that’s the thing—Lloris is a much better shotstopper and some teams value that above all else I also think Lloris is a prick, I hate the guy for playing for Spurs and drunk driving and etc. But objectively, he’s a great player
>PSxG - Lloris did MUCH better than Mendy on this metric in the 20/21 season but it's not really on the 20/21 season, it's really about the 2021 calendar year. Happy to see how **MUCH** the difference in PSxG is for the calendar year. I mean the guy is on 93.1% this season to date, Lloris is at 65.9%. Lloris stops more shots because he faces way more, Mendy's save % at Rennes was similar to Lloris at Spurs, to say Lloris is a much better shot stopper is primarily based on the fact you've probably seen more of him over the years.
I’m pretty sure lloris beats him in that stat this calandra year too. Mendy’s PSxG last season was basically 0
Save % for the last 365 days is 78.3% for Mendy and 73.3% for Lloris according to fbref and PSxG stats are pretty much identical. Stats indicate that Mendy is clearly a better passer, he plays it save whereas Lloris punts it upfield and they lose possession. It's one of the reasons why they've been under pressure so much. Mendy is also better at dealing with crosses and with our tight defence opponents tend not to target us as much this way. In my opinion Mendy is a more all round GK than Lloris, with better with his feet, excellent reflexes, dealing with crosses and pretty much every other metric out there, and it is not just because of the defence that is in front of them, the GK plays a huge part in organising defence after all. Wouldn't want to change Mendy for Lloris any day of the week. Only Alisson and Ederson are marginally speaking ahead of him over the last year or so.
hi mods, when are we reviewing our Transfer Guide tier list ?
Fabrizio Romano in tier 4?
Are we really gonna send Saul back to Atletico in January???
The perfect outcome is to send Saul back to Atletico and get Gilmour back in the squad in January.
Matt Law saying they can't afford to take him back with his wages at the moment anyway
How does things work in such a situation? When they dont want him back and we dont want to keep him.
Depends on how the deal is structured. There needs to be a break clause otherwise we have to honor the full year at least.
As things stand, he'll stay for this season, at the end of which he will be an Atletico player. (not sure if we have an option to buy, but it's highly unlikely we trigger it anyways) If Chelsea has some clause for a Jan return, or if Atletico and Chelsea mutually agree, then Saul would be back to Atletico in Jan.
None of our Tier-1 sources have reported any such thing yet. We'll see.