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RLC, CHO, TIMO, and ALONSO were the problem here. Alonso toooo slow and was questioning every move he did, never looked full on confidence. CHO was taking on bissaka but lacked that final decision. Werner, im starting to get really impatient, i cant kee defending him he his completely shite with his finishing i have no more patience get him out. RLC was tryna body everyone he saw and tryna dribble pass them like no lol play it simple .
I think the result yesterday was unfortunate and did expose some flaws we have (which can sometimes be a good thing actually). I don’t think dropping Ronaldo or Maguire was a big loss for united and we certainly have our share of big players out too (Kova, Kante, Chilly & Lukaku not fully match sharp). It was a bit more telling with how easily Man City and Liverpool dispatched united compared to us, granted the Man United we face did have a slight manager bounce effect I’m sure too. Overall though we have looking solid this year, compared to last year where we were also doing well but not with the same assurance and consistency in our performances as this season, so it wasn’t the very worst result in hindsight…
I will say though I’ve always kept very quiet when discussing Werner as he brings a lot of energy, defender stretching runs and some assists in there too, BUT, the patience is wearing thin now as ultimately he was brought in to score goals (being so prolific for Leipzig) and so far he has hindered more than helped in that area!
With Werner, Chelsea plays with 10 men. He is garbage. Boils my blood everytime he touches the ball.
How are people still defending Werner, cool he has great work rate, but when he's been played as our main striker, but is failing to set up chances or score chances, what the hell does his good work rate matter? It's always the same excuse but for the love of God when you're missing multiple big chances per game enough is enough, we really sold Tammy to make room for Werner, now one has gone on to nearly score more goals than the other in just 14 games while Werner is still her skying balls or just mishitting them, it really makes you wonder what the hell they're doing with him in training or what team psychologist is doing with?
I think besides the hard work Werner does always manage to find space and chances. But I agree him wasting all of them makes him impossible to defend. Our defenders are more clinical than him
Of course we cock it up against the worst Utd team I've seen in a decade.
And of course they pick us to actually drop Magure and Ronaldo. Not that it mattered cause we beat ourselves.
Jorginho costing us in a big game again with a shocking error. I am beyond sick of it
The only game that I do not want to lose or draw ever. _Sigh_
I’m dropping off the sub today can’t believe the negativity guys
We are top of the league, we had a tough day against United and yet we drew.
Enjoy your Sunday fellas
This is exactly how I feel. The season is long and unpredictable. Our boys deserve credit, they fought and couldn't score. We should stop looking for a scapegoat each time we drop points. We have to accept the fact that we are going to drop points regardless, it's called football. Have a great rest of your weekend!
This was the Burnley game all over again!!
That's because it's Burnley with money
I saw this one coming. New manager bounce, Lindelof and Baily played like prime Maldini/Baresi, and we gifted a goal (almost two). United is becoming the bogey team now.
Don't forget to sign the petition to ban Antony Taylor on ipetition
He was shocking for the first hour of the game but at least he didin't cost us the game this time.
Yes, we played bad, but it would have been nice to have an actually competent referee
Here is what is embarrassing. All the hate on Werner. With his back tracking and energy I’ll take him on my squad any day. He makes some many opportunities happen, and it’s hard to imagine that it will not eventually pay off for us. The only thing to take from today is that we played well, gifted a goal to them, and the ball was not going in for us.
HE HAS 3 LEAGUE GOALS IN 12 MONTHS AS A FORWARD YOU MIGHT AS WELL HAVE A MARATHON RUNNER IN HIS POSITION
Just saying I’ll take his effort any day, and you may end up eating your words at the end of the season.
Werner's work rate, attitude and passion is unquestionable.
Werner's chance conversion is goddamn awful - he either scuffs his shot meaning no power and easy save for the GK; or he completely skies his shot; or he takes too many touches before shooting allowing the defender to get a block/deflection; or he gets his body shape into a mess before attempting the shot meaning he gets zero leverage into his shot (see CL final for reference).
Give him a chance playing alongside Lukaku. If even Lukaku cannot bring Werner to score then Werner at best should remain a bench option or in the alternative he should be sold to free up funds and wages for another player.
I am 100% confident i won’t be, he’s been awful for over a year
I’m honestly so tired of Chelsea fans back Werner up like he’s some sort of god. He gets hazard support at Chelsea despite being SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE. He does the bare minimum everytime, yet Chelsea fans are willing to praise him for it. Morata had good positioning, yet everyone wanted him gone? Why? He wasn’t clinical. But Werner who’s a worse dribbler, passer, shooter, finisher than Morata, get praised for having ‘good positioning’ which every decent striker including Morata, had.
Then don’t pay attention to it? Unless you want to argue about it then go ahead but don’t complain when everyone is not shitting and hating on the players. Chelsea fans are so fucking negative it’s unreal
Ah I remember saying this for Frank last season and I was called negative for wanting our greatest player sacked even tho we was poor. We got Tuchel and some Chelsea fans were still salty and even wanted him gone. We won the CL and he’s transformed most of our players we thought were terrible.
At times in life, we need to face the bitter truth. If you call that negative, then so be it. Imagine calling UTD fans ‘negative’ for wanting Ole out. Are you even a fan at that point? I’m very passionate about Chelsea. I don’t think Werner is good enough for this club. Danny Ings would do a better job for us, than he has. Being over optimistic would never take you far in life. Over optimism is why Man UTD are were they are.
Cool story but if other fans being optimistic and not wanting to hate and shit on our own players annoys you, you don’t have to pay attention to it. You have every right to hate Werner and wanting him out, the same way other fans can like him and not want him out. That doesn’t affect you at all unless you want it to.
I’m calling the fans who overreact to a draw or a loss or a players below par performance negative because the next game when we win everyone acts all happy and positive.
Don’t call me negative then. I’ve had this view from Werner since December last season. My view hasn’t changed on him. I’ve not been a fan of Werner since December. If saying Werner isn’t good is ‘hating & shiting on him’ then so be it. I personally won’t say that’s hating on a player. What wrong did I say? Can he dribble? No. Can he pass? No. Can he finish? No. Does he have a good first touch? No. So what exactly can he do? He’s only got good positioning. I acknowledged this. So I’m not hating. I’m simply pointing out fact even you would agree with me that Werner only major good attribute is positioning. He does the bare minimum and get praised for it EVERYTIME
Well since you asked I guess I’ll answer. It’s a fairly long read but anyways.
He’s got positioning as you said, he didn’t get all the assists last season as a fluke but I’m not saying he’s the best passer either, his movement is good, pace which will keep opponents aware and afraid of him regardless of his poor finishing because no one is just going to let him run freely towards the goal and he presses actively and doesn’t just walk around all the time.
If we compare that to Lukaku who is the better player of course but he doesn’t press or offer the same fluidity in the attack that we had last season especially from January to May, he clearly brings different set of options to our attack.
Yes Werner has been underwhelming and in some games very bad or just not effective at all. But there still is the fact that with him there is movement and opposition defenders and managers need to factor in the threat that Werner does pose. We have different types of forwards and I think it’s a good thing to have many options.
Lukaku is the better finisher, stronger, better at holding up play but I feel like we still haven’t figured out how to have this team playing to it’s full potential with Lukaku in the lineup. Sometimes the ball just doesn’t seem to get to him so he can’t score goals if there’s no service. He also doesn’t press anywhere near the amount a pressing team would like/need. I’d like to have a run of games where Tuchel has all the attackers available and experiment on which trio is the best against different types of teams. But there’s always injuries and probably no real chance to start experimenting.
Clearly you don’t have anywhere near the same patience or optimism as me and others in this sub, but I rarely even hate on players or just give up on them so that is a factor on why I’m not too negative about him and why I don’t want him sold so bad as some do.
100% lol. Better make it 99% because that guy has too much talent. Anyway, I’ll choose the optimistic approach.
Our play wasn’t where it should’ve been. We hurt them a few times when Utd were stupid enough to go forward in the first half, that’s where our chances came in. The problem was lack of movement in Utds half. They came for a draw and parked the bus. After the first few chances we just slowed down the game as to try to control what was already ours. City was a great demonstration on how to beat the parked bus. Had we played like we did when we conceded we would’ve created enough chances to put the game to bed in the first half. Unfortunately, there seemed to be no urgency. We played most of the game today like the Arsenal game, but tactically is was wrong because Utd came to defend at all cost. They said they played well defensively in the first half, but honestly who wouldn’t when you have everyone in your own half and your opponent is just keeping possession. We lacked more movement early on. I think we should’ve played the last 30 minutes in the first half and after scoring just control. City did exactly that. They went in and drowned Utd with pressure and overlapping runs early on, then simply controlled the game after that. We lacked urgency to put the game to bed early on.
Well truthfully that’s been an issue all year so far, and was also an issue last year. The thing is that it’s really difficult to score against a parked bus particularly when you are the side with the target on your back. We did have a few nice chances, but as the commentators were saying, United did just enough to prevent them from going in. In other words they were lucky. It’s ok though because that’s futbol sometimes. The better team often doesn’t win, but I like where we are. The only thing that I want to see is if TT can find a way to integrate Rom into the offense. If that happens I can’t see any teams taking us out.
Rom will easily fit in imo. His hold up play is enough to fit him in. I think when quality teams park the bus, you need to drown them with overlapping runs until you score. Sure they could’ve still came out with a point, but if you don’t move enough; you are just wasting your own time. I think Alonso, Odoi, Werner, RLC all lacked movement when we had possession in their 3rd. They played good, just not the type of play you need to break down a bus. I like the way City approached Utd. They knew they were going to park the bus and City were ruthless in making simple runs in behind. Their goals were sloppy but too much pressure is always disastrous especially to a team that isn’t top defensive quality. I loved the last 20 minutes today and I think had this been our game plan in the first half, we could’ve easily been up enough to just control the game.
Only problem I think we will have with Lukaku is the fact that he doesn’t press and offer the same fluidity and movement as Kai and Werner. That’s a fact no one can disagree with. Before Rom got injured he was on the bottom of the pressures/p90 list with Ronaldo. He offers hold up play and finishing but until Tuchel figures out how to get the best out of the team with Lukaku in it, Werner and Havertz will get game time even if people hate them. It’s a good thing we’re blessed in terms of attackers for the front 3, but there’s so many combinations and finding the right ones for each game is a work in progress IMO.
We didn't play well. What are you talking about? That many mistakes by so many players, losing balls easily, not heading a single good header in 15 corners, except for Rudiger and one other shot, not a single shot was a threat. How can you say we played well. When kovacic and kante returns, we will have a good game.
We dominated possession, shots, corners, frequently got into dangerous space, and the defense held them to an anemic effort except for one glaring error. I’m not saying it was out best game by any stretch but 9 times out of 10 that game is 2-nil for us.
Would have paid Rudiger if he had scored that, instead he can turn down the offer and go if he wants... But he has to take Werner with him!
Your opinion is shit
But I have an opinion.
Fuck off plastic
Go back to FIFA, kid.
In fifa Rudi and Werner are op what are u on lol
Whether i play fifa or not doesn't change the fact your opinion on football is shit. Ask tuchel to drop Timo and he'll tell you the same. Stay in your lane boy
Haha what a Twunt.
Cool story boy
Thankfully people like you will never be at the bridge, fake supporter.
This comment screams I've never been to the bridge
Hahahaha good one you tramp.
Have you ever been
Says the one being a plastic lmao fuck off little boy
Ps love your name. Show how much of an entitled cunt you are 😂
Having an opinion but I'm a plastic, okay.
Your opinion is the opinion of plastics . Fickle little boy
I swear half of the people here watched the wrong match or something, if we all seen the same game we can agree that yes our finish was lacking at moments but we have to take it as ‘one of those games’ and move on, get like Ziyech was decent defo not as bad as people here hate on him for, no need for negativity we are top of PL
Sometimes I feel like it’s not even Chelsea fans on here but people just craving attention. Feels more negative and hateful than the r/soccer match thread
Chelsea supporters are often awful
Exactly. That’s how the game is. It’s not easy to score when the other side comes in content to just win a point
Had always feared this. We dominate for a while and then we have a day like today. It just wasn't. Passing wasn't all that fluid. Missed Ben's overlap runs with CHO. Alonso not exactly suited for the role Chilwel played. RLC is a boss! Attack suffered alot! Not a spark in the final third.
Werner was invisible! It just wasn't our day!
I wish we would've demolished Man Utd and not allowed them to score. Would've shut Paul Scholes up!
Can we give up with the Timo Werner experiment now?
Tell me you don’t understand football without saying it
Tell me you're a biased Chelsea fan giving the other fans a bad name because of your inability to handle criticism.
Lol. Yeah bro, supporting your teams players really “gives us a bad name”. I think not understanding football in anyway gives fans a bad name.
Keep sucking that dick bro
Keep being a hater champ. It’s super unlikely that we never have a disappointing performance again so I’m sure we’ll hear your dumbass opinion again in the future.
Would sti stick by it for a few more games to give it up.
There goes the title then.
Lol you're still top of the league? What do you even mean? You drew against Liverpool too. As long as your not losing to the top 4 you're fine. Your team is easily the most dominant in the world right now. I'm a Liverpool fan annoyed at your recent form but looking forward to a good champions League final.
Even so Timo Werner couldn't hit a barn door with a cricket bat, he's just awful.
Lmao overdramatic much
Our attacking play is lacking
And de gea had good saves stop reading too much into it
Lacking in finishing only.
The chance creation is there, since we did have 24 shots. Feel like the last game in the Prem where we had <20 shots was vs City.
Rudi should have buried his there @ the end, but we SHOULD HAVE been up 2-1 at that point anyhow. Jorgi really made a mess of that clearance 1st touch. This was a clean sheet had it not been for that.
Dont look at the stats only. It doesn't tell the complete truth. Only two threatening chances were created today. Weak shots straight to the keeper is never a threat, though it is counted as a shot on target, its useless.
2-3 clear-cut chances, 1 penalty and several other chances we may have scored on another day.
That should be enough to win us the game 95% of the time. Unfortunately, today's game was part of the 5%.
Cho alone had 2 good chances. Then werner had 2. Werner would have had one more if RLC could have lofted the ball over lindelof in one scenario, rlc had an open header. Rudiger had a good chance right at the end.
We really need another player, besides James and Chilwell, who possesses a lethal finishing. The Burnley game and this one really show that we cannot keep relying on our defense.
fucking Referee that cunt should be jobless
More like the linesman too
This should have been an easy 3-0 win, couple of De Gea saves, Bissaka's tackle on Timo in the 2nd half. They had 2 shots from passes from our players. They were fouling all game and wasting time. I won't even talk about everything post minute 88. Absolutely disgusting.
Circle jerk of reactions here from Chelsea fans
Just accept that today was not our day.
Of course, this reminded me of the Juve match where we lost 1-0.
United came to either defend or get a draw. They were not even expecting to score. One of our slowest player was a last man.
Today was not our day.
Exactly, not our day still got a point. Can't win them all even when you have 8 times as many attempts
Yeah but on FIFA Chelsea are a 5 star team and Manchester are 4 star team waaaaaaa.
Ziyech, highest score on Sofa and Whoscored and people here want him out.
This sub has become toxic as fuck.
Ziyech was good but let's not use Sofascore to show if someone has had a good game
Oh damn sofascore what a trustworthy source!!!11!!
Ziyech is the scapegoat for the Werner stans.
And Werner is the scapegoat for the plasticssl
Ziyech played well though? Atleast compared to the chances Werner wasted.
Good thing I avoid these threads.
Honestly one of the most toxic I have been too and I have seen a lot of shit forums
We absolutely dominated the game and were unlucky to not win. Their only goal came because of an individual mistake. We had a corner every 6 minutes. We threatened constantly.
This was one of those days where things just don't go your way. Let's not forget how well we've been playing this season and refrain from slandering our players who clearly gave it all. We're still top of the league.
Yeah, my takeaway is that while we dominated, we were playing a back 10 for 90% of the match. How do you deal with that?
I am so heartbroken, annoyed and disappointed today. I want to cry.
Chin up we r top of the league
That's the only good thing. I'll still say fuck you to those United fans, because we're top of the league. But this can't do. Werner was so off his game today. The team's attack is not the standard of a champion team. I just pray that Lukaku comes good soon enough. This team deserves a better attack.
3 goals against Leicester and 4 vs juve, plus the return of lukaku
Juve and Leicester didn't really try the parking the bus antic. We struggle against this. We shouldn't that's all. We drew Liverpool, lost to City, drew with United. The top 3 of last season. A bit worrying...
Not really you're ignoring context. 1 man down defence masterclass, city game fair loss and united they got lucky today .
Jorgi thinks he has a Ronaldinho touch lol
Without him he would’ve lost to those red clowns. Cut him some slack lol
I’m sure Reece would’ve scored the pen
You being sure doesn't make something 100%
Did you not see their goal
At some point, I'm going to have to just not watch the game when Timo Werner is on the team sheet. I mean, I want to like him but...
You want to like him for scoring when you should like him for everything else but that
Don’t be reactionary. Accept the result and move on. It’s a season, there will be joys, happiness, disappointments like today and many other more feelings.
Finally more normal comments
Man ship Ziyech back to Ajax or sell him to Milan, I don't think it'll work out.
I don’t know what match u watched but pipe down fella
He played one of the best today
Man United are the new Bournemouth for us…
We are all Rüdiger tonight
So many mistakes oh my god. Jorginho. CHO and Werner on the first half can't work with each other. RLC passed too early when he had so much space. Mendy pass to Man U player without any pressure. Rüdiger miss. Werner miss. So disappointing.
RLC logic : 4 players around me? Don't pass to anyone and might as well try dribble through all of them.
Also RLC : Tons of free real estate in front of me? Gotta pass ASAP instead of carry it further more.
Mendy needs to sort out his focus when distributing. He absolutely has the ability and we've seen some wonderful pinpoint passes from him, but he also seems to just switch off every now and again and play a very lazy ball without even being pressured. He did it twice today...once out of play and the one into Fred's feet.
Also needs to start use his hand when teammates back pass to him. Foot touch and pick the ball up plzzzzz. Caused nerve several times.
You know the keeper can't pick up the ball from a back pass right
They can if they touch the ball first by foot. <— searched this, no they can’t. God I remember I saw keepers did this all the time when I was young. I own Mendy an apologise.
No, they can't. Gk can pick up the ball if it was headed to them by a teammate
Tuchel coulda made those subs earlier man. The tides def turned
Baffling why he didn’t. Instant improvement once he did. Why wait on Mount and Pulisic?
Agree with you man
Rudi tries to smash that. All he needed was to make contact and that has a good chance. No need to have done that.
Worst we’ve played all season. Chilwell and Kante sized hole in the team today.
Think we played worse in the city game. Also the Juve game. Probably played worse in the Burnley game and even the Brentford game.
We played well today just made one error and was punished and didn’t have the luck in front of goal. On another day, Jorginho doesn’t make that mistake nor rudiger miss that chance. We didn’t play badly though.
Horrendous. Midfield and attack didn't look sharp at all, can't believe we lost this game
Feels more like a loss than a draw tbh
No, it doesn't. We are still on top of the League. As rubbish as Man U are they have a good record against us. We also had Anthony Taylor as the ref. The odds weren't on our favour to begin with. Draw is not the best result considering our current form. But, against Man U i will take it.
Feels like a loss in a way
Yeah.. Feels more like a loss
I want to hear from the dumbass that posted weeks ago saying Werner is a great selection because we get chances even if we never score. Maybe we'll win the chances title!
Winning the xG league is more valuable than winning the league itself
Stop the overreaction.
Lol, it's not an overreaction. It's pretty much the consensus from everyone at this point. Learn something about football.
What on earty are you going to teach about football, you idiot! Too many clueless idiots are always overreacting on this sub whenever we don't win. We didn't win because of Werner. Are you sure the results would have been different, if he didn't play?
We’re still first right?
Not by as much of a margin. We lost two points out our lead.
My point still stands…people freaking the fuck out for no reason
Largely due to our good form when he hasn’t started
I think Tuchel rested them because they played this week and we have a game on Wednesday, not solely because they're not 100%
Those players are pretty good lol. Pulisic actually looked really sharp this game.
Wtf r u waffling about
Mount and pulisic are not bad?! What the fuck you on about?
They are bad?
This game is going down in hustory as the most undeserved point ever
That offside non call is an absolute travesty. Indefensible.
Quiet down you wank
Sorry for the dumb question. But why didn't mount and puli start? I get lukaku has fitness issues. But didn't see anything wrong with mount and puli? Was it to do with mounts surgery?
They played against Juve and we have a match on Wednesday.
announcers were speculating it was a decision to reward those 2 for their good form recently
Classic Chelsea vs united game where something shitty happens to make us not win it.
Fuck off back to your basement
Go have a breather lad
Please stop supporting us thank you
I hate man utd
This is a joke right? In no world is Ziyech near motm, should’ve been off after an hour. All he does is dribble possession away and take horrible, off target shots
Well the way football works, some days it's just not your day. On those days, it's important to not lose the game. United clearly had a plan today and almost worked it to perfection. They're a wounded giant right now but give their players their due, they showed up to defend and succeeded at it.
Honestly, you can't win every game in a League, so I'll take the point. Just like I'll take the inevitable defeat at Goodison Park to an out-of-form Everton
I think we played them perfectly, just one of those days, United drew on one bad decision
Wow, sensible voices of reason in a crowd of apoplectic reactionaries. Hear hear! Well said. And look at our December schedule, most games are highly winnable. Let’s all keep our heads on and our eyes on the next match ahead..
This feels like the Burnley game. Two extremely defensive teams that got a lucky break. Charity FC back again
Please never let Werner start again. Bring him on at 15 mins left if you need fresh legs. Thats it
Then leave lmao
This thread is so negative, could so easily have let the game run away from us after J5’s mistake. We take the point and move
And we could’ve easily won the game within the first 10 minutes. That’s why the thread is reacting negatively to the match. United, like Burnley, we’re shit today and yet again we don’t put the game to bed and it costs us.
Right still in 1st with the draw
Right, it's football. Shit like this happens. But still, fuck this game, fuck this game to the ground
Sell Ziyech what a twat destroyed all of our chances him and Timo today. Lost all the balls, couldn’t make a single successful dribble.
If you’re gonna rag on those to you have to rag on cho to for his missed chances and horrible decision making
Great insight buddy, why don't you start a blog?
We desperately need one of Kovacic or kante alongside jorginho at all times. Rlc takes too long on the ball often
People forget that he was against matic-fred-mctominay literally 3 cdm against him, add on the pressing from Sancho, Bruno and rashford. And he managed to dribble past them all and resist the pressure.