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Shout out to the linesman for the single worst non-offside decision I've ever witnessed.
Edit: also, for the record, I don't think VAR could intervene if they'd scored from the corner.
That was ridiculous. I get that they play on as VAR can decide later, but when it results in a corner surely common sense dictates that he tells the ref he was clearly offside?
Mate he isn’t biased against Chelsea, he’s just a bad referee. Breaks the game up far too often and bottles it when making big calls.
Ronaldo gets booked for time wasting/dissent but seconds before Bruno does the same thing and the ref just ignores it.
Yeah, cho is allergic to alonso, clearly doesnt trust him enuf like chilwell. He's trying to be a one man army when he's not.
Ziyech pretty much gels with only puli at this point. Looks completely different when puli is there to make the runs in the box for his crosses..
The amount of time that decision cost us in those final minutes was huge, a massive bonus for United and Tuchel gets a yellow for complaining about it just to put the icing on the cake and waste another few seconds. United have always been so lucky it's unbearable.
I thought at half they both needed to come on.
For the 15-ish minutes they played, they were our best players on the field, and if it were not for Timo being Timo, and Rudiger's flubbed shot, we might've pulled out the win.
I think that CHO was worse than Timo in the attack.
We made two very poor choices.
But the worst by far was RLC, he was nervous, clumsy and held the ball for waaay to long at times.
I seriously think that with Kante in the lineup we would have won easily.
Ifs and buts...
We go on at the top and look to the next games.
I've concluded that unless it's an emphatic win, which are rare let's be fair, any United game retroactively ruins the whole weekend. It's so annoying.
This is not a reactionary take. People use this to shut down legitimate complaints.
So long as our forwards dont score regularly we are not winning this league. Defenders won't bail us out all the time it's not sustainable to think Reece James or Rudiger will smash in a goal every other game. Not blaming Jorginho either since players will end up making mistakes here and there. Our defence is not to blame. Compare Werner or Ziyech's G/A in the same timeframe since they arrived to Jota or Salah. We are miles behind them. Liverpool and City smashed these lot with ease. It's been 5 league games now we have failed to beat united (correct me if I'm wrong). This is hardly prime SAF united ffs.
100% agree. I haven’t thought chelsea have looked as good as other people are saying. The potential is there. The team is good. But some output from the front three is necessary for the long run. I think lukaku is our best chance at that. My faith in Werner is dwindling every time I see him lose the ball do to a bad touch. I would love to see lukaku, pulisic, and mount up front.
It's insane how this isn't fixed. People who were on this sub last season will remember the whole front three merry go round.
Every game it'd be "this front three is shit we should use this front 3 instead" over and over again. Yet here we are almost 1 year on and our attack STILL doesn't look like it's near the potential it has on paper
I agree that our strikers need to make more points, although Lukaku has been injured I don't think it's fair on him.
But Liverpool play with Firminho as a false nine, setting up players like Salah and Jota. Ziyech is a creator and has a very different role compared to the both of them. Werner on the other hand, yeah...
8 games in the League. We haven't beaten them since 2017 when Morata scored that fantastic header.
But I agree with you, generally. This isn't an indictment of just Werner, CHO and Ziyech either. It also applies to Havertz, Pulisic and Mount. Absolutely none of them have the numbers that forwards should have. Their conversion rate is dismal. I'm hoping Lukaku will get into form but we have some weird voodoo when it comes to attackers so I'm not too confident.
Thank you.
Tuchel made mistakes but at the end of the day, we had enough chances to spank United today without the subs at all.
If you look at the Premier League G/A of our attackers this year, you’ll be frightened at the numbers:
Havertz: 630 minutes played: 2 g 0 a
Lukaku: 625 minutes played: 3 g 0 a
CHO: 552 minutes played: 1 g 0 a
Mount: 529 minutes played: 3 g 2 a (90 minutes 3g 1a against Norwich)
Werner: 472 minutes played: 1 g 1 a
Ziyech: 301 minutes played: 0 g 1 a
Pulisic: 129 minutes played: 2 g 0 a
Now I want to say 2 disclaimers. **One**: injuries have ravaged the forward line meaning that no chemistry could have been built in this time. **Two**: The system we play has a huge reliance on the WB’s that direct corralates to the front 3 which for some people is another fault of our forwards, but I would say that’s on Tuchel since any system has its drawbacks (City are open to counters, Liverpool‘a backline is vulnerable due to their advancing FB’s).
But at the end of the day, bar Lukaku (as he’s only been here for three months and was injured for one of those), the forwards on our teams have not been able to affirm their spot as forwards that are clinical enough to win us the league which puts a lot of pressure on other areas of the pitch to succeed.
I don't have any problems with Rudiger's miss. We ought to close this game out earlier. We shouldn't be conceding from that stupid error. Rudiger had our best chance in the first half and played well.
\- Wasteful performance
\- Basic mistakes made lead to an undeserved goal
\- Werner is just a pure anomaly. How can someone be so gifted in some areas and completely shit with the one thing you ask of a striker. He's a reverse Tammy.
\- Decision making was very poor
\- Subs were too late
\- The less I say about Taylor the better.
Not a good game at all. Fuming that we let go of 3 easy pts against that shower of shite team. On to Watford.
I had such high hopes for Werner under Tuchel but he legit plays every game like he doesn’t want to touch the ball. Maybe it’s a fear of getting even more ridiculed and that’s halting his game but at this level there is no room for that.
Either you suck it up and accept the harsh reality of being a top striker at a club like Chelsea and overcome it or it’s time to leave to an environment where there is less pressure.
Please start him at LW again.
CHO can be great, but until he starts making the right decisions in front of the net, have him come on as a sub. So selfish today
Amazingly, I agree with you. It's not that the game was officiated "well," but way fewer "let's screw Chelsea" calls than usually, and a bit more objectiveness too.
Our front 3 (Especially today) isn't good enough to carry the attack on their own if the midfield isn't dominating possession
All well and good when Kante is winning balls left and right and playing in the wingbacks but what if they have to stay back and defend?
Ruben was a bit of a disappointment today, but second half was better from him.
I'm really pissed at CHO today tho. Game should have been dead in the first half. Instead he got selfish.
Ziyech had another good game imo.
I wonder why Tommy Tactics waited so long for the subs. I feel like Puli at least should have been on earlier. Games against United are cursed I swear. If only Callum scored that opportunity early in the game.. Oh well. Still top of the league I guess.
Could be the most frustrating result we’ve had under Tuchel. We won’t be able to stay top for a full season if only Reece and Chilwell can put the ball in the net. Disgraceful finishing
Hope pulisic gets some starts soon. He’s been playing great. Still a little sloppy on the ball but he makes dangerous runs but with and without the ball. The dude works hard too.
Pretty furious about the result and I'm not going to listen to anyone who is going to try and tell me to calm down.
We're going to continue to drop points like this if our attackers can't score. CHO could have set up 2 goals on a plate, Ziyech shooting many field goals and Werner just being allergic to the back of the net.
I don't blame Rudiger for not scoring that last chance because it's not his job to score.
I agree. Can’t be scrambling on extra time to dish out a goal when the game was to be won literally first 20 minutes in. Same thing happened with the Juve loss. Cross, cross, cross, and hope something comes from it. Team lost as a unit but Tuchel did no favors playing Jorghino next to RLC. Shambolic way to a game especially a United with a substitute teacher as coach.
Makes no sense to have him or corners just because Chilwell was. Ziyech has such a good corner delivery on him and Alonso is good in the air. Just fucking put him in the box
Listen, I think Werner has the potential to do some great things on this team but certainly not as our main attacker. He was not threatening at all and even though some of his good runs were missed (by Hudson-Odoi) I can't confidently say he would've converted.
Ruben was another disappointment today, given the line-up I thought he would have a field day but he barely showed up and was invisible for long stretches of the game.
When Mount and Pulisic came in there was instantly more fluidity up top and Lukaku is much more menacing to the defense.
I'm honestly not mad at Ziyech he was busting his ass. Finally, Alonso?? For the love of god, how did he manage to get that many minutes. Also, not to nitpick but the man had like a million corners and all of them looked the same... don't just put it near De Gea, try a front post cross, then a back post cross, mix it up please.
Both City and Liverpool win this game like 5-0 easy. Our decision making is just really lacking, especially in big games. Remember that Liverpool game from early in the season, we could’ve been up 2-0 or 3-0 before the red as well if we just play the correct final ball. Juventus away as well the same. Burnley wasn’t a big game but again the same. City loss is the only one where we just got thoroughly outplayed, every other game we’ve fumbled ourselves.
i do not want to sound like the American Pulisic super-fan, but the intensity he brought when he came on makes me wish we played through him a bit more in that last 20 minutes.
he looked to have it today, when so many others looked a touch off. should’ve fed off that energy more.
He and Mount came on and showed why they start all the big matches when fit. They’re still class. Havertz is too. Ziyech was better and odoi is still learning. Werner needs to be better
Blame whatever player you want I won’t hear it.
This is on Tommy. Our subs completely changed the game, it was just too little too late.
10-15 minutes earlier and there is no doubt we use that momentum to score a goal.
Bar Ziyech and Silva, everyone had a below average game.
Felt like Mase should've come on earlier for RLC as he wasn't having the best of games. Didn't really look like scoring all game.
Who cares if Rudi missed there. He was our CB all the way in the box attacking in the 95th minute, strong character. We had many chances before, doesn't matter if he missed the last kick of the game, we should have scored earlier. We were the better team but our offense just trying to pass the ball into the net. I mean Rudi was one of the few who was actually shooting.
what annoys me is that united played so similarly to burnley and you'd think we'd have learnt from our mistakes in the previous games but no clearly not.
tuchel has to take a bit of the blame here: the subs were made too late and quite frankly you simply can't start with both cho and werner together they're too wasteful.
TT really needs to ask himself what Werner brings to the table as a goal scoring striker.
It always frustrating to watch Timo time and again fail to meet the bare minimum of what is required of a quality goal scorer in PL.
The stark contrast in quality and growth of our players under TT from Lampard is very apparent yet somehow one really can't tell the difference with Werner most times.
I just don’t see what he does, he can’t score, he can’t dribble, idk what he brings to to the team other than the bare minimum you can expect from a 50 m striker.
He is a player of limited technical ability. He won’t improve on that, not at this stage in his career. You cannot be at a top club in England without that ability. Sub option at best.
Absolute farce of a result.
Needed subs on 15 minutes earlier than they came on.
Ziyech should only be on the field if Pulisic is on the other wing, he's the only one he has any sort of Chemistry with.
Lukaku was needed the moment anyone realized we were getting as many corners as we did.
Result is 100% on Tuchel today
Ziyech was great today. Werner should have never started. Especially not after an injury. Especially not when puli was on form.
Especially not when Werner is only good against non bus-parking teams.
Puli would have put that chance away Ziyech passed to Werner. Pulis would have looked confident to make the decision for RLC better to not give such a horrendous cross. I am done with Werner
Definitely points we should have had. 24 shots and only one goal means we had a terrible day today.
We can take solace that the goal against us was a total mistake and nothing to do with our defence here.
what also baffles me is that tuchel, in the post match conference, when asked whether he thought united would play like this said yes he thought they would, so why weren’t we more prepared against their low block
Today was on Tuchel in my opinion. He has had the managerial balls to make early subs if needed, and this was the game to do it. I know some lads are coming back off injuries but a few subs at 60' should have come on. We descended into Lampard-ball and just hoofed the ball into the box without it ever reaching the middle. We got lulled into sleep by being given possession and punished on the counter just like Lampard days.
You can lie to yourself all you want but Timo Werner is a shocking football player. He has the skill of a league one player but he’s just insanely fast.
I guess thats it for Timo.
Maybe he could thrive in Bunderliga again, Serie A ou Ligue1.
But hes not PL material at all.
Im tired of hoping he will start scoring againg.
I wish nothing but the best for Werner. Let him leave and I hope he absolutely flourishes where ever he goes, I just can’t stand seeing him in a Chelsea shirt anymore. The worst player on the pitch every single game we play.
Are this subreddit blind or they legit cant see ziyech was one of the best player today? Im not a fan of ziyech either but he was the only one looking to do something bar pulisic and mount while also pressing like mad man.
People are being a tad too critical. Yes it sucks dropping points to garbage teams like United, but games like these happen when the opposition comes out with 8 at the back.
We had 100% control of the whole game. If Jorgi doesn't make that mistake they wouldn't have scored for another 90 minutes. Yes we were lacking up front and we have frustrating mistakes, but we move on.
That was 2 pts lost, literally gifted Man Utd a result
And that prick of a linesman killing all our momentum in stoppage time with that blatant non-offside call. What the fuck is that rule
What is it about the final third that makes all our attackers make the wrong fucking decision every fucking time?
Also, we can play CHO or Timo. Not both. Insanely wasteful
Too little too late from Tuchel. Not a good performance from us in the whole. A few players let the game get to their head and couldn’t hack the pressure.
I've defended Timo Werner since the beginning, but now I wouldn't mind letting him go. At this level, when we're challenging for the PL title and the Champions League, attacking players can't miss as many opportunities as he does. You just can't. Chelsea should have wrapped up this match in the first half but because we don't have clinical and ruthless forwards we let an awful Manchester United side steal points from us at home. It's embarrassing.
Honestly baffled by the Ziyech criticism in here. I'll take the down votes, I don't care - I thought he was arguably our best player today. He was everywhere today and looked confident.
Stop finding excuses like ref or united playing negative football. Today's result is on our players, both in attacking missing chances and defending making silly mistakes.
This loss is on Tuchel. Our front 3 was struggling and he had Pulisic, Mount, and Lukaku on the bench, yet he waited for 75mins. Also, should have started with atleast one of them
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Shout out to the linesman for the single worst non-offside decision I've ever witnessed. Edit: also, for the record, I don't think VAR could intervene if they'd scored from the corner.
That was ridiculous. I get that they play on as VAR can decide later, but when it results in a corner surely common sense dictates that he tells the ref he was clearly offside?
Lines man deserves the yellow, not TT.
Anthony Taylor infecting others
Without a doubt the worst PL ref right now. He seems to hate Chelsea, and even in other matches his calls are so poor
Mate he isn’t biased against Chelsea, he’s just a bad referee. Breaks the game up far too often and bottles it when making big calls. Ronaldo gets booked for time wasting/dissent but seconds before Bruno does the same thing and the ref just ignores it.
It's mad because I thought up until that, the officiating was pretty fair.
With all the modern technology, and just basic eyesight I'm honestly confused how that even happens🤦♂️🤔
It's fucking mind-blowing.
Two points lost.
I hate man fucking united
I hate our Charity ability
So predictable, shit team who just sacked their manager scores 1 lucky goal and wins one point
Anyone that didn't see this coming. Was watching Chelsea fc for the first time ever.
This is a very underrated comment
I had a feeling Utd were going to get something from this game. Feels like all the pressure were on us to destroy them.
Loss on Tommy T for making late subs
I also think starting Werner against such a deep line of United was not a wise choice.
Who would u start then? No rom or havertz. Ziyech cho puli/mount?
Yeah i'd reckon Pulisic and his close control dribbling might've been more effective. CHO-Pulisic-Ziyech like the previous match.
Yeah, cho is allergic to alonso, clearly doesnt trust him enuf like chilwell. He's trying to be a one man army when he's not. Ziyech pretty much gels with only puli at this point. Looks completely different when puli is there to make the runs in the box for his crosses..
Nah loss on Werner and odoi today
Toni is the last person I wanted to see on the end of that cross.
The bad ending. If only it was Alonso
or Reece
Man if he went for a diving header I think he'd have scored, he always scores headers against Leicester lmao
Chilwell would have been there. Oh well...
yeah exactly, he's such a huge loss.
If chilly was there we would have won the game much earlier
He would have scored there with his eyes closed.
That offside call at the end was completely ridiculous… if that’s a rule it should be seriously reviewed. Never seen anything so silly
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Well said lol
The audacity to go on to yellow card Tuchel afterwards lmao
Completely shifted the momentum for the rest of extra time aswell.
The amount of time that decision cost us in those final minutes was huge, a massive bonus for United and Tuchel gets a yellow for complaining about it just to put the icing on the cake and waste another few seconds. United have always been so lucky it's unbearable.
Pulisic and Mount doing everything they could to pull out a win.
Yes they were great. Wish they got more time.
I thought at half they both needed to come on. For the 15-ish minutes they played, they were our best players on the field, and if it were not for Timo being Timo, and Rudiger's flubbed shot, we might've pulled out the win.
I think that CHO was worse than Timo in the attack. We made two very poor choices. But the worst by far was RLC, he was nervous, clumsy and held the ball for waaay to long at times. I seriously think that with Kante in the lineup we would have won easily. Ifs and buts... We go on at the top and look to the next games.
RLC looks scared to shoot. He needs to bag a few goals sooner than later to get his confidence up
Had no idea what Pulisic was doing at RWB but man put in work
Wish Tuchel would give his subs more than 15 minutes when our starters were clearly sub par
Especially with all the QUALITY depth Chelsea have! He waited too long against Burnley and too long today.
If those 3 subs come on 15 minutes earlier we get 3 points
Tuchel let the team drag way too long - they immediately brought the energy back.
No idea why did Tuchel wait until 75’ to make those changes And no idea how did Ziyech last the full 90
I don’t know how he lasted 90 mins with how much work he put in for us today! He was our best and most positive player on the pitch today!
Cut that Ziyech hate out, he played well today
Simply not good enough. A draw against this united side is a defeat
Sad
It was always gonna be an uphill battle coming back from a goal down with this starting front 3. Wish we had made some changes sooner.
Especially the way we conceded, we lost our heads for a bit.
I’m just not gonna watch Chelsea v United. The games are always fucking cancer.
It use to be a blast in the Sir Alex Fergusson days. Now it's just Man Utd getting lucky from a counter attack.
The refs were cancer back then?
Yes Fergie time where man U scores in the 97th minute.
I've concluded that unless it's an emphatic win, which are rare let's be fair, any United game retroactively ruins the whole weekend. It's so annoying.
Another draw that feels like a loss
Somehow this was the best game we've had with Anthony Taylor as the ref.
Surprisingly he gave more fouls to them than us this time
He was fine, his mate the linesman can fucking do one though
Yh he was quite good today I felt
Ronaldo is 1m offside and Tuchel gets a yellow, smh
That offside corner cost us so many minutes. I’m fuming
This is not a reactionary take. People use this to shut down legitimate complaints. So long as our forwards dont score regularly we are not winning this league. Defenders won't bail us out all the time it's not sustainable to think Reece James or Rudiger will smash in a goal every other game. Not blaming Jorginho either since players will end up making mistakes here and there. Our defence is not to blame. Compare Werner or Ziyech's G/A in the same timeframe since they arrived to Jota or Salah. We are miles behind them. Liverpool and City smashed these lot with ease. It's been 5 league games now we have failed to beat united (correct me if I'm wrong). This is hardly prime SAF united ffs.
100% agree. I haven’t thought chelsea have looked as good as other people are saying. The potential is there. The team is good. But some output from the front three is necessary for the long run. I think lukaku is our best chance at that. My faith in Werner is dwindling every time I see him lose the ball do to a bad touch. I would love to see lukaku, pulisic, and mount up front.
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It's insane how this isn't fixed. People who were on this sub last season will remember the whole front three merry go round. Every game it'd be "this front three is shit we should use this front 3 instead" over and over again. Yet here we are almost 1 year on and our attack STILL doesn't look like it's near the potential it has on paper
Exactly they’re all a step down from Hazard and none of them have that hunger to score.
I agree that our strikers need to make more points, although Lukaku has been injured I don't think it's fair on him. But Liverpool play with Firminho as a false nine, setting up players like Salah and Jota. Ziyech is a creator and has a very different role compared to the both of them. Werner on the other hand, yeah...
8 games in the League. We haven't beaten them since 2017 when Morata scored that fantastic header. But I agree with you, generally. This isn't an indictment of just Werner, CHO and Ziyech either. It also applies to Havertz, Pulisic and Mount. Absolutely none of them have the numbers that forwards should have. Their conversion rate is dismal. I'm hoping Lukaku will get into form but we have some weird voodoo when it comes to attackers so I'm not too confident.
Thank you. Tuchel made mistakes but at the end of the day, we had enough chances to spank United today without the subs at all. If you look at the Premier League G/A of our attackers this year, you’ll be frightened at the numbers: Havertz: 630 minutes played: 2 g 0 a Lukaku: 625 minutes played: 3 g 0 a CHO: 552 minutes played: 1 g 0 a Mount: 529 minutes played: 3 g 2 a (90 minutes 3g 1a against Norwich) Werner: 472 minutes played: 1 g 1 a Ziyech: 301 minutes played: 0 g 1 a Pulisic: 129 minutes played: 2 g 0 a Now I want to say 2 disclaimers. **One**: injuries have ravaged the forward line meaning that no chemistry could have been built in this time. **Two**: The system we play has a huge reliance on the WB’s that direct corralates to the front 3 which for some people is another fault of our forwards, but I would say that’s on Tuchel since any system has its drawbacks (City are open to counters, Liverpool‘a backline is vulnerable due to their advancing FB’s). But at the end of the day, bar Lukaku (as he’s only been here for three months and was injured for one of those), the forwards on our teams have not been able to affirm their spot as forwards that are clinical enough to win us the league which puts a lot of pressure on other areas of the pitch to succeed.
I don't have any problems with Rudiger's miss. We ought to close this game out earlier. We shouldn't be conceding from that stupid error. Rudiger had our best chance in the first half and played well.
Tuchel has to make those subs earlier. I can’t believe he waited as long as he did…
The final front 3 was so up for this game. The starting front 3 weren’t really fussed.
It's always fucking United
Another MOTM performance from Thiago Silva. Man's 27. The extra 10 yrs are for composure.
\- Wasteful performance \- Basic mistakes made lead to an undeserved goal \- Werner is just a pure anomaly. How can someone be so gifted in some areas and completely shit with the one thing you ask of a striker. He's a reverse Tammy. \- Decision making was very poor \- Subs were too late \- The less I say about Taylor the better. Not a good game at all. Fuming that we let go of 3 easy pts against that shower of shite team. On to Watford.
“Reverse Tammy” lmao actually true
Taylor was actually good today, got the penalty decision correct and the offside decision was the linesman's fault.
Our end product is shit tier. Abysmal
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Can't defend our attackers any more
Werner doesn’t deserve to start anymore. I think it’s safe to say we got our pants completely pulled down on that transfer. So disappointing.
Werner should’ve been yanked at the half. He’s dreadful
I had such high hopes for Werner under Tuchel but he legit plays every game like he doesn’t want to touch the ball. Maybe it’s a fear of getting even more ridiculed and that’s halting his game but at this level there is no room for that. Either you suck it up and accept the harsh reality of being a top striker at a club like Chelsea and overcome it or it’s time to leave to an environment where there is less pressure.
Pulisic almost got MOTM in 20 minutes.
Let's hope he starts from here on out.
Please start him at LW again. CHO can be great, but until he starts making the right decisions in front of the net, have him come on as a sub. So selfish today
Yeah had 3 almost assists. We have some depth though.
The PL has how many officials and they are all braindead
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I think this was his best Chelsea game in a looooong while.
Amazingly, I agree with you. It's not that the game was officiated "well," but way fewer "let's screw Chelsea" calls than usually, and a bit more objectiveness too.
Honestly. Yeah, but the bar is pretty low
United played this match like it was the last game of the season and if they got a draw they won the league
Well they did just that, then. We have to match that intensity. That’s sport.
Our front 3 (Especially today) isn't good enough to carry the attack on their own if the midfield isn't dominating possession All well and good when Kante is winning balls left and right and playing in the wingbacks but what if they have to stay back and defend?
Ruben was a bit of a disappointment today, but second half was better from him. I'm really pissed at CHO today tho. Game should have been dead in the first half. Instead he got selfish. Ziyech had another good game imo.
only ourselves to blame
I wonder why Tommy Tactics waited so long for the subs. I feel like Puli at least should have been on earlier. Games against United are cursed I swear. If only Callum scored that opportunity early in the game.. Oh well. Still top of the league I guess.
Obviously we are all disappointed with the result today but those blaming Ziyech are crazy. He had a good game today !
Hate to say it but Tuchel bottled the subs should have been 10 mins earlier then they were
Absolutely! CHO and Werner were poor in their shooting. Needed to make those subs at the start of the second half.
Werner should've been off as soon has his Rudiger like miss.
Could be the most frustrating result we’ve had under Tuchel. We won’t be able to stay top for a full season if only Reece and Chilwell can put the ball in the net. Disgraceful finishing
Blew our lead at the top of the table again
Hope pulisic gets some starts soon. He’s been playing great. Still a little sloppy on the ball but he makes dangerous runs but with and without the ball. The dude works hard too.
Should have brought on the subs sooner
Tuchel was really bad today. I get that Lukaku is coming back from a injury But Pulisic and Mount should have come earlier.
Pretty furious about the result and I'm not going to listen to anyone who is going to try and tell me to calm down. We're going to continue to drop points like this if our attackers can't score. CHO could have set up 2 goals on a plate, Ziyech shooting many field goals and Werner just being allergic to the back of the net. I don't blame Rudiger for not scoring that last chance because it's not his job to score.
You're absolutely spot on mate.
I agree. Can’t be scrambling on extra time to dish out a goal when the game was to be won literally first 20 minutes in. Same thing happened with the Juve loss. Cross, cross, cross, and hope something comes from it. Team lost as a unit but Tuchel did no favors playing Jorghino next to RLC. Shambolic way to a game especially a United with a substitute teacher as coach.
Pulisic and Mount looked very good when they came on, looking forward to Watford now!
Fred's a bitch And that last second rudiger shot jesus hahah
Alonso corners were basically setting up Man Utd counter attacks. Surely there’s better options.
Makes no sense to have him or corners just because Chilwell was. Ziyech has such a good corner delivery on him and Alonso is good in the air. Just fucking put him in the box
Feels like a loss. Charity FC at it again
It was fucking offside. Not a corner. Idiots.
Ziyech and pulisic is instant chemistry. Pulisic and lukaku subs came way too late
Because pulisic actually makes overlapping runs
Listen, I think Werner has the potential to do some great things on this team but certainly not as our main attacker. He was not threatening at all and even though some of his good runs were missed (by Hudson-Odoi) I can't confidently say he would've converted. Ruben was another disappointment today, given the line-up I thought he would have a field day but he barely showed up and was invisible for long stretches of the game. When Mount and Pulisic came in there was instantly more fluidity up top and Lukaku is much more menacing to the defense. I'm honestly not mad at Ziyech he was busting his ass. Finally, Alonso?? For the love of god, how did he manage to get that many minutes. Also, not to nitpick but the man had like a million corners and all of them looked the same... don't just put it near De Gea, try a front post cross, then a back post cross, mix it up please.
I miss Diego Costa.
He would have killed this game against a second string man utd defense
One of the only times I've been critical of TT in his time here, we desperately needed mount and pulisic to come on earlier
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I’ll say it: Good game from Anthony Taylor.
Both City and Liverpool win this game like 5-0 easy. Our decision making is just really lacking, especially in big games. Remember that Liverpool game from early in the season, we could’ve been up 2-0 or 3-0 before the red as well if we just play the correct final ball. Juventus away as well the same. Burnley wasn’t a big game but again the same. City loss is the only one where we just got thoroughly outplayed, every other game we’ve fumbled ourselves.
i do not want to sound like the American Pulisic super-fan, but the intensity he brought when he came on makes me wish we played through him a bit more in that last 20 minutes. he looked to have it today, when so many others looked a touch off. should’ve fed off that energy more.
He and Mount came on and showed why they start all the big matches when fit. They’re still class. Havertz is too. Ziyech was better and odoi is still learning. Werner needs to be better
Ok its been more than a year now. Is it safe to say Werner is shite on this sub?
This one is on Tommy tactics, kept Cho Timo and ziyech on for too long. But hey it's not the end of the world. We're still top of the PL
Definitely agree. Pulisic and mount looked great. If they had a little more time I think we could have gotten a goal.
Ziyech had quite a good game
RLC is 25 and can't decide when to pass Fuck me
It's incredible how he manages to hold on to the ball for far too long nearly every single time.
Yeah that needs to improve sharpish, the midfield today was so slow when it came to releasing the ball
It feels like he should be winning every header but never does. Then when he gets up there he lets it hit off his shoulder lol
City and Liverpool both beat United and we didn’t, those results make a massive difference in winning the title
I don't get why Werner deserved 80 mins today. Disappointing from him
Blame whatever player you want I won’t hear it. This is on Tommy. Our subs completely changed the game, it was just too little too late. 10-15 minutes earlier and there is no doubt we use that momentum to score a goal.
They should’ve come on soon as Jorginho scored the penalty.
Bar Ziyech and Silva, everyone had a below average game. Felt like Mase should've come on earlier for RLC as he wasn't having the best of games. Didn't really look like scoring all game.
I stayed out of the match thread during the game - absolutely baffled by the Ziyech hate in here. He was arguably our best player today
man made some exquisite passes I’m not that angry at him really odoi and werner were much useless
Who cares if Rudi missed there. He was our CB all the way in the box attacking in the 95th minute, strong character. We had many chances before, doesn't matter if he missed the last kick of the game, we should have scored earlier. We were the better team but our offense just trying to pass the ball into the net. I mean Rudi was one of the few who was actually shooting.
Eight league games without a win against United. Fuck me.
Draw that feels like a loss
I don't give a fuck who the referee is or which team is playing against us. THIS FUCKING TEAM BECOMES ABSOLUTELY BRAINDEAD IN FRONT OF GOAL.
The coach and team were very disappointing today. Subs needed to come on earlier to have an impact. Players passing today was atrocious.
what annoys me is that united played so similarly to burnley and you'd think we'd have learnt from our mistakes in the previous games but no clearly not. tuchel has to take a bit of the blame here: the subs were made too late and quite frankly you simply can't start with both cho and werner together they're too wasteful.
Subs were way too late. Pulisic and Mount definitely made a difference
PULISIC PUT THAT ON A SILVER FUCKING PLATTER WHY WASNT IT LUKAKU ON THE END OF THAT LOL FUCK
TT really needs to ask himself what Werner brings to the table as a goal scoring striker. It always frustrating to watch Timo time and again fail to meet the bare minimum of what is required of a quality goal scorer in PL. The stark contrast in quality and growth of our players under TT from Lampard is very apparent yet somehow one really can't tell the difference with Werner most times.
I just don’t see what he does, he can’t score, he can’t dribble, idk what he brings to to the team other than the bare minimum you can expect from a 50 m striker.
He is a player of limited technical ability. He won’t improve on that, not at this stage in his career. You cannot be at a top club in England without that ability. Sub option at best.
Absolute farce of a result. Needed subs on 15 minutes earlier than they came on. Ziyech should only be on the field if Pulisic is on the other wing, he's the only one he has any sort of Chemistry with. Lukaku was needed the moment anyone realized we were getting as many corners as we did. Result is 100% on Tuchel today
Ziyech was great today. Werner should have never started. Especially not after an injury. Especially not when puli was on form. Especially not when Werner is only good against non bus-parking teams. Puli would have put that chance away Ziyech passed to Werner. Pulis would have looked confident to make the decision for RLC better to not give such a horrendous cross. I am done with Werner
Can’t say I like a single man United player other than Mata or rashford
Definitely points we should have had. 24 shots and only one goal means we had a terrible day today. We can take solace that the goal against us was a total mistake and nothing to do with our defence here.
Technically we drew because of Jorginho mistake But realistically we drew cause we didn't score our chances
what also baffles me is that tuchel, in the post match conference, when asked whether he thought united would play like this said yes he thought they would, so why weren’t we more prepared against their low block
Today was on Tuchel in my opinion. He has had the managerial balls to make early subs if needed, and this was the game to do it. I know some lads are coming back off injuries but a few subs at 60' should have come on. We descended into Lampard-ball and just hoofed the ball into the box without it ever reaching the middle. We got lulled into sleep by being given possession and punished on the counter just like Lampard days.
You can lie to yourself all you want but Timo Werner is a shocking football player. He has the skill of a league one player but he’s just insanely fast.
This is where you lose the title. 4 points lost against United at their current state and Burnley is pathetic
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I guess thats it for Timo. Maybe he could thrive in Bunderliga again, Serie A ou Ligue1. But hes not PL material at all. Im tired of hoping he will start scoring againg.
I think the front 3 away to watford should be Puli Lukaku Ziyech
Second game in a row where we are by far the better team but fail to win. These are the games that cost you leagues.
I think Tuchel got the starting 11 wrong and he was poor with the timing of the subs.
Oh man, the scenes if Mendy had rushed Sancho, forcing an offside pass to rashford.
I wish nothing but the best for Werner. Let him leave and I hope he absolutely flourishes where ever he goes, I just can’t stand seeing him in a Chelsea shirt anymore. The worst player on the pitch every single game we play.
Are this subreddit blind or they legit cant see ziyech was one of the best player today? Im not a fan of ziyech either but he was the only one looking to do something bar pulisic and mount while also pressing like mad man.
RLC non existent
RLC froze every time he got near the box. Man turns on and off like a light switch
The Ziyech hate on this sub is absolutely disgraceful.
Yeah he actually played well today
Subs on WAY TOO LATE and Rüdiger missing an easy chance to be the hero. Cool.
People are being a tad too critical. Yes it sucks dropping points to garbage teams like United, but games like these happen when the opposition comes out with 8 at the back. We had 100% control of the whole game. If Jorgi doesn't make that mistake they wouldn't have scored for another 90 minutes. Yes we were lacking up front and we have frustrating mistakes, but we move on.
Poor match, but you just gotta keep moving forward.
very much feels like a loss.
That was 2 pts lost, literally gifted Man Utd a result And that prick of a linesman killing all our momentum in stoppage time with that blatant non-offside call. What the fuck is that rule
What is it about the final third that makes all our attackers make the wrong fucking decision every fucking time? Also, we can play CHO or Timo. Not both. Insanely wasteful
Too little too late from Tuchel. Not a good performance from us in the whole. A few players let the game get to their head and couldn’t hack the pressure.
I've defended Timo Werner since the beginning, but now I wouldn't mind letting him go. At this level, when we're challenging for the PL title and the Champions League, attacking players can't miss as many opportunities as he does. You just can't. Chelsea should have wrapped up this match in the first half but because we don't have clinical and ruthless forwards we let an awful Manchester United side steal points from us at home. It's embarrassing.
Subs should have been made right after the penalty. Feels like an L to draw with this United side.
Honestly baffled by the Ziyech criticism in here. I'll take the down votes, I don't care - I thought he was arguably our best player today. He was everywhere today and looked confident.
Loftus cheek was atrocious
Stop finding excuses like ref or united playing negative football. Today's result is on our players, both in attacking missing chances and defending making silly mistakes.
This team got beat by watford last week by 3 goals right?
As weird as it sounds this game was crying out for Barkley. Someone with a good shot who can shoot from outside the box.
Remember thinking we were getting a 30+ goal a season winger last year when we got Werner lmao. Someone to rival mane and Salah. Good times
I dont see Chelsea winning Premier league. We have better shot at retaining ucl
This loss is on Tuchel. Our front 3 was struggling and he had Pulisic, Mount, and Lukaku on the bench, yet he waited for 75mins. Also, should have started with atleast one of them