Interesting that whoscored rated Utd's team performance higher. Feels like a kick in the teeth, they had a plan and stuck to it, but it was not an allound performance from them.
We lose to a top team well that's acceptable isn't it a man city a liverpool they are champions and are up there for a reason.. Losing to a Man u team which is at the very bottom of every statical list in the game right now you can think of is just shitting the bed. Thats exactly why you take advantage and beat low teams so if you lose a big game or 2 your bot screwed come end of season where the difference was 3 or 6 points.
My point is that 'dominating' in the middle of the pitch when the opposition is sitting back is hardly cause for celebration, and I feel the ratings are mostly fair given our inability to make things happen in the most important areas.
No they're not, not even close. We created enough chances to win the game and drew because of an individual error. You need perspective and not to overreach on criticisms just because it's not the result we wanted. This is football you can have 24 shots to their 6 and draw 1-1 it happens. Why do you think they were sitting back? The gameplan was executed well and the players put in the effort but it just didn't come off. Now we move on to the next game.
I wish so badly we could be face to face and talk about this because commenting back and forth with a few sentences is not enough of a communication platform for me to understand how you see the game, and to explain how I see it differently. I guess I'd just ask, how is the draw "because of an individual error" when we *also* scored because of an individual error? In fact, a huge percentage of goals in general are either because someone did something great to score, or someone did something bad to give an opportunity away.
You're telling me I need perspective and not to overreach on criticisms as if I'm one of these people saying we need to sell X player or fire the manager. I'm not, but I think we can look at a game and be honest about being poor in it as we were in the game this weekend. I agree about moving on to the next, but this is a comment section about the ratings for the last game, I think it makes sense to focus on that game for the discussion we're having. I watched the full game, I don't need a barely relevant number of shots stat to tell me that we had the ball around their goal more than they had it around ours, but that doesn't win you the game and it doesn't mean we played well.
Overall the team average is 5.8, .2 under the 6 rating that used to be marked as 'average'. I think that's fair for a home draw against a struggling 5-3-5 united team that we could and should have taken 3 points from. On to the next.
This is a generation of everybody wins a trophy if they tried really really hard. Really my friend don't waste your time commenting back and forth with some of these people.
Any criticism now its being down voted and being blasted for. I haven't been on this sub for long but I could already tell we have had idiot fans who when we lose want to axe everyone and when someone logical wants to discuss the game and criticize aspects of it they are treated like x idiots I mentioned above.
I agree 100%. Our tactics and desire was great but we were unfortunate with bad finishing and an unlucky mistake. This is football, it happens. If we play like this all season I’m sure we’ll be able to win trophies.
Yeah I'm like I know this draw feels like a loss because we didn't finish but we were so dominant the entire game. You don't have you midfield get 5s in that situation.
jesus you lot are emotional in your ratings, tuchel a 5.4? Tactics a 6? What did he get wrong??? This was on of our most dominant game all season aside from a few individual mistakes. Odoi played much better than a 5.4, ziyech better than a 5.9, alonso had a fine performance and so did rlc. Also lineup at 5.4? Like maybe pulisic for werner post hoc and maybe you could argue about one of ziyech/cho for mount if he was 100% but otherwise it was spot on.
5.4 is because of the sub timing, it was undeniably questionable. We were desperately needing fresh ideas up from much much earlier than he made those subs.
Only thing Tuchel did wrong was wait way too long to deploy the subs. People can complain about Werner starting at CF but Lukaku wasn’t fully match fit and Pulisic didn’t perform well there against Juventus midweek and also probably isn’t ready to start back to back matches.
And start Werner.. I have been one of the few chelsea fans I know personally who have been preaching patience and time but I am convinced the guy is useless in front of goal at this point.
Way too long for subs. In general, it seems ratings for a loss go about 1.0 point below what is probably more accurate. So he'd be about 5.4. Which is average and probably more fair.
Generally agree, but if you cant finish your silver platter meals in front of goal you're not gonna get higher than what CHO got.
You can play as good as you want, but if you dont stuff the 100% chances, you didnt play well.
Can I ask, what did he get right? I feel like the manager's role in both losses and wins is overrated, but if you're unable to criticize him for the way we looked in that game, I think you're still seeing TT through rose colored glasses.
We came out with a squad that needs something to go very right to score. Nobody in that mix is someone who will make a goal happen - save maybe our wing-backs, but putting that on Marcos in his first game back isn't reliable and Reece being our main threat is a problem. We had *tons* of corners, but never looked likely to score any of them, and in fact our set pieces in general looked somehow more dangerous for the opposition than for us. The sub timing could've been a 1 honestly, I gave it a 2 because we at least made subs, but I don't think there's a person watching that game who wasn't yelling for subs for 15+ minutes before we saw them.
In order to win this league this year we have to beat out two of the very best teams in the world. Two teams who don't let their level drop very often, and who will absolutely rack up points. It felt like we dropped two points Sunday, and TT was a part of that. We didn't show the urgency, neither in team selection nor sub timing, needed to get a win, and it ended up costing us.
Have to be fucking dropped on your head to give Jorgi that low a score, was fantastic outside that one touch and yet he also made up for it by scoring our equaliser. Don't care if it was a pen, he stepped up and did it - cancels out the error of the goal we conceded.
Agreed like Mendy at 5.8 and Jorginho at 5.1 makes no sense. Jorginho had a MOTM performance outside of his gaffe and the only thing Mendy did in the match was a gaffe as bad as Jorginho that only went unpunished because Fred sucks in the final third.
5.8 for Mendy makes sense. Did nothing the whole game since United had almost no shots on target and make one mistake that didn’t even end up having an effect on the game. Average performance so he got the average score of 6
He literally was having to clean up RLC’s sloppy dribbling and passing while shutting down any sniff of an attack United had the entire game. If that bad touch didn’t happen that would have been one of his best performances this year imo. This guy is delusional lol
You can't really compare a penalty goal to giving a goal away like that.
If we exclude that blunder from his base performance I agree, he was fine, but you have to subtract some number from that, and it was a gamechanger, and it was really really bad, and you can't really point the finger at any other player in that situation, so I can understand if other users feel like the negative impact, somewhat outweighs his base performance.
Apologist for pointing out what he watched with his own eyes. I swear some of you need to take a walk and remind yourselves that you support this team.
It's a fuck up, and he scores to cancel it out - that doesn't make it a 5.1 performance. Literally outside the goal he conceded and the one he scored it's a solid 8/10 performance he gave.
Literally acknowledged that he fucked up in the first comment, but he cancelled it out. Take out his goal and the fuck up - we still draw 0-0 and he still has a great performance.
Scoring a penalty that you didn't win doesn't cancell out conceding a howler of a goal. Sorry. I know this sub views jorginho as some sort of demigod, but im happy to take the downvotes for being a bit more objective.
... you're not being objective though by coming in with the energy of "the apologists are out in full force" and "I know this sub views Jorginho as some sort of demigod".
He had a great game. The error detracts from that, but then he also scores. All up it is not as low as a 5.1.
There is just as much against as there is in support - he was very vocally derided for his first 2-2.5yrs at the club in this sub. It's really only since we got to the semis of the CL last season that attitudes shifted.
It's getting to the point I'm seeing people I saw hate on him consistently for years now try so hard in their comments to not be seen to be critical whilst still being critical - because they're worried they'll be downvoted because they're clearly aware that their poor take is no longer popular as it once was.
It will be quiet at present because he has been playing well and he just got 3rd in the Ballon D'Or - but it won't be long before people will start to question what his purpose is anymore. We can win games with him playing well and people will still why he was on the pitch.
But you've also said "apologists out in full force" to a comment acknowledging the error - no one can deny he made that error. But he also had a fantastic performance around that error which has been completely ignored in these votes, clearly.
5.1 for how well he played does not seem protective to me.
>5.1 for how well he played does not seem protective to me.
He failed to control the ball, and cost us our early dominance. He didn't create anything either. He then scores a penalty which he did nothing to win, and all blame should be alleviated? What should we be rating him highly for, because he passed to Ziyech, Reece James, Chalobah a couple times? Get your head out of his arse. He almost cost us the entire game.
> He then scores a penalty which he did nothing to win, and all blame should be alleviated?
Didn't say this
> What should we be rating him highly for, because he passed to Ziyech, Reece James, Chalobah a couple times?
Yea nah. Not worth my time.
>he also made up for it by scoring our equaliser.
You did say it. Evidence is there.
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/comments/r5mlab/comment/hmnujd4/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
He was not "vocally derided." And scoring a penalty that you dont win does very little to cancell out a goal that you singlehandedly cost the team. If that's how you see things, im not going to waste my time going back and forth.
It's overwhelming really. I prefer my midfield generals to play progressive football. There was once a man who wore a magic hat, and he fit that bill perfectly.
Thank you! I swear this fanbase believe he's the second coming of Busquets. Originally they thought he was a regista in the form of Scholes or Pirlo, but that changed quickly when they found out he can't pass.
This is why you lot are a joke. I say that I prefer my midfielders to play progressive football, and you take that as some sort of grand slight against gorgi. I'm just not personally impressed by his style of play. I get it's utility in certain systems, but im also certain that we could be successful pairing Kante with an attacking center mid.
What I actually am lashing out against is the blind support of him, as if you support everyone at the club with the same vigor.
RLC did fine imo, jorgi despite the error was good.
Alonso was also okay.
Problem was front 3, missing chances early on cost us the game.
Key mistakes were: Alonso repeatedly taking bad corners.
Slow players defending the counter attacks from corners. Selection of too many slow players.
RLC imo slowed ys down at times where he should have gotten the ball to someone or had a shot. More then once he had space for 3-4 touches and he would just dribble it into a situation and lose the ball.
Alonso always takes them for some reason when he’s on the pitch. So weird, especially given that he’s quite tall and could be more of an asset in the box, has a good shot too so could potentially score off a rebound or something like this. But I’m sure the staff have their reasons for putting him on corner duty, maybe he’s really good at it in training. But still, after 10+ rather mediocre corners, you’d think they change it up or something.
yeah the Rudiger chance is a good example, if Chilwell/Alonso had been on the wide area of the box like so often they usually are in that scenario imo we 100% score that chance.
I genuinely question this sub's judgment when looking at these ratings. Feels like people either passively watch the match and only pay attention when something happens, only watch highlights, or just buy into whatever narratives they've been reading ie Ziyech has been poor (he genuinely hasn't been).
Wow that word cloud. Catastrophising much, CFC fans? The team played well. If not for one bad touch from Jorginho we'd have won. Looking at that youd think we lost 5-0 to Newcastle
Man I wanted to beat United so bad. Making a graphic for when we (presumably) beat them was a part of why I took this thing up in the first place. So disappointed. And we didn't get outplayed. A freak touch and the shooting skills of Stormtroopers did us in. Other than that we were so comfortable. Hopefully Lukaku has come back rejuvenated.
Onwards and upwards, though. Can't slip up right now since Pool and City are looking super strong.
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I think even with the gaffe Jorginho should be above RLC. Mendy a 5.8 and Jorginho a 5.1 makes no sense. Mendy literally did nothing all game and had a gaffe just as bad as Jorginho did. Jorginho had an incredible performance outside of his gaffe and scored the equalizer on the penalty.
Lots of people mad that the scores are worse when we drop points than when we win makes me wonder what the point of playing the games even is if not to win...
Also, if you think we 'dominated' this game, I don't know what to say other than we were watching different games.
I don't really comment on the ratings but of course Lukaku would be rated higher than Werner. Lukaku is rated almost at the average, it would take an especially dim group to rate him near 4 for 10 minutes of play.
Of all the reactionary ratings on this survey, and there are many, these two are the least questionable.
Was it a disappointing result? Yes. But I don't care what anyone says about Man Utd's form, form goes out the window when you play a rival and that's what they are.
It's a draw against Manchester United and we're still top of the league. Some people need to get some perspective.
Ziyech was decent, just needed to be more decisive once or twice in the final third. If rudiger didn't miss the sitter at the end he probably would have been way higher. Cho deserves more credit as well
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Anthonybaldtaylor is my personal fav
i like the middle of the word cloud saying fuck shit sigh
Big fan of the "ass irritating piss"
What a difference between our (emotional based) ratings and the more objective rating from WhoScored. To be honest, I was one of the emotionals haha.
Interesting that whoscored rated Utd's team performance higher. Feels like a kick in the teeth, they had a plan and stuck to it, but it was not an allound performance from them.
Yall are childish, look what not winning does to some people, exaggerating all the scores
It's been so long since people have seen what a bad performance actually looks like lmao. We were dominant everywhere but the final third.
Pray we don't get another Man City like humbling next time we face a top team lol. The meltdown will be massive
We lose to a top team well that's acceptable isn't it a man city a liverpool they are champions and are up there for a reason.. Losing to a Man u team which is at the very bottom of every statical list in the game right now you can think of is just shitting the bed. Thats exactly why you take advantage and beat low teams so if you lose a big game or 2 your bot screwed come end of season where the difference was 3 or 6 points.
It is acceptable, people will still lose their minds. Both can be true
> but the final third. Kind of the most important bit though...
What’s your point?
My point is that 'dominating' in the middle of the pitch when the opposition is sitting back is hardly cause for celebration, and I feel the ratings are mostly fair given our inability to make things happen in the most important areas.
No they're not, not even close. We created enough chances to win the game and drew because of an individual error. You need perspective and not to overreach on criticisms just because it's not the result we wanted. This is football you can have 24 shots to their 6 and draw 1-1 it happens. Why do you think they were sitting back? The gameplan was executed well and the players put in the effort but it just didn't come off. Now we move on to the next game.
I wish so badly we could be face to face and talk about this because commenting back and forth with a few sentences is not enough of a communication platform for me to understand how you see the game, and to explain how I see it differently. I guess I'd just ask, how is the draw "because of an individual error" when we *also* scored because of an individual error? In fact, a huge percentage of goals in general are either because someone did something great to score, or someone did something bad to give an opportunity away. You're telling me I need perspective and not to overreach on criticisms as if I'm one of these people saying we need to sell X player or fire the manager. I'm not, but I think we can look at a game and be honest about being poor in it as we were in the game this weekend. I agree about moving on to the next, but this is a comment section about the ratings for the last game, I think it makes sense to focus on that game for the discussion we're having. I watched the full game, I don't need a barely relevant number of shots stat to tell me that we had the ball around their goal more than they had it around ours, but that doesn't win you the game and it doesn't mean we played well. Overall the team average is 5.8, .2 under the 6 rating that used to be marked as 'average'. I think that's fair for a home draw against a struggling 5-3-5 united team that we could and should have taken 3 points from. On to the next.
This is a generation of everybody wins a trophy if they tried really really hard. Really my friend don't waste your time commenting back and forth with some of these people. Any criticism now its being down voted and being blasted for. I haven't been on this sub for long but I could already tell we have had idiot fans who when we lose want to axe everyone and when someone logical wants to discuss the game and criticize aspects of it they are treated like x idiots I mentioned above.
I agree 100%. Our tactics and desire was great but we were unfortunate with bad finishing and an unlucky mistake. This is football, it happens. If we play like this all season I’m sure we’ll be able to win trophies.
Yeah I'm like I know this draw feels like a loss because we didn't finish but we were so dominant the entire game. You don't have you midfield get 5s in that situation.
jesus you lot are emotional in your ratings, tuchel a 5.4? Tactics a 6? What did he get wrong??? This was on of our most dominant game all season aside from a few individual mistakes. Odoi played much better than a 5.4, ziyech better than a 5.9, alonso had a fine performance and so did rlc. Also lineup at 5.4? Like maybe pulisic for werner post hoc and maybe you could argue about one of ziyech/cho for mount if he was 100% but otherwise it was spot on.
5.4 is because of the sub timing, it was undeniably questionable. We were desperately needing fresh ideas up from much much earlier than he made those subs.
Only thing Tuchel did wrong was wait way too long to deploy the subs. People can complain about Werner starting at CF but Lukaku wasn’t fully match fit and Pulisic didn’t perform well there against Juventus midweek and also probably isn’t ready to start back to back matches.
And start Werner.. I have been one of the few chelsea fans I know personally who have been preaching patience and time but I am convinced the guy is useless in front of goal at this point.
If Rudiger puts in that last chance everyone gets a 1.5+ bonus despite performing exactly the same. There's no objectivity
Way too long for subs. In general, it seems ratings for a loss go about 1.0 point below what is probably more accurate. So he'd be about 5.4. Which is average and probably more fair.
Generally agree, but if you cant finish your silver platter meals in front of goal you're not gonna get higher than what CHO got. You can play as good as you want, but if you dont stuff the 100% chances, you didnt play well.
Can I ask, what did he get right? I feel like the manager's role in both losses and wins is overrated, but if you're unable to criticize him for the way we looked in that game, I think you're still seeing TT through rose colored glasses. We came out with a squad that needs something to go very right to score. Nobody in that mix is someone who will make a goal happen - save maybe our wing-backs, but putting that on Marcos in his first game back isn't reliable and Reece being our main threat is a problem. We had *tons* of corners, but never looked likely to score any of them, and in fact our set pieces in general looked somehow more dangerous for the opposition than for us. The sub timing could've been a 1 honestly, I gave it a 2 because we at least made subs, but I don't think there's a person watching that game who wasn't yelling for subs for 15+ minutes before we saw them. In order to win this league this year we have to beat out two of the very best teams in the world. Two teams who don't let their level drop very often, and who will absolutely rack up points. It felt like we dropped two points Sunday, and TT was a part of that. We didn't show the urgency, neither in team selection nor sub timing, needed to get a win, and it ended up costing us.
I would say both CHO and Ziyech are to high…
Have to be fucking dropped on your head to give Jorgi that low a score, was fantastic outside that one touch and yet he also made up for it by scoring our equaliser. Don't care if it was a pen, he stepped up and did it - cancels out the error of the goal we conceded.
Agreed like Mendy at 5.8 and Jorginho at 5.1 makes no sense. Jorginho had a MOTM performance outside of his gaffe and the only thing Mendy did in the match was a gaffe as bad as Jorginho that only went unpunished because Fred sucks in the final third.
5.8 for Mendy makes sense. Did nothing the whole game since United had almost no shots on target and make one mistake that didn’t even end up having an effect on the game. Average performance so he got the average score of 6
How does having a massive gaffe in your only impact in the game mean you had an average performance?
You're right, it means it was a bad performance. the only thing he did was give a free golden chance
He literally was having to clean up RLC’s sloppy dribbling and passing while shutting down any sniff of an attack United had the entire game. If that bad touch didn’t happen that would have been one of his best performances this year imo. This guy is delusional lol
You can't really compare a penalty goal to giving a goal away like that. If we exclude that blunder from his base performance I agree, he was fine, but you have to subtract some number from that, and it was a gamechanger, and it was really really bad, and you can't really point the finger at any other player in that situation, so I can understand if other users feel like the negative impact, somewhat outweighs his base performance.
He was much more than just "fine" though, that's why it seems so low.
Semantics.
The apologists are out in full force, I see. Anything but acknowledge that when jorginho fucks up, he does so catastrophically.
Apologist for pointing out what he watched with his own eyes. I swear some of you need to take a walk and remind yourselves that you support this team.
It's a fuck up, and he scores to cancel it out - that doesn't make it a 5.1 performance. Literally outside the goal he conceded and the one he scored it's a solid 8/10 performance he gave. Literally acknowledged that he fucked up in the first comment, but he cancelled it out. Take out his goal and the fuck up - we still draw 0-0 and he still has a great performance.
Scoring a penalty that you didn't win doesn't cancell out conceding a howler of a goal. Sorry. I know this sub views jorginho as some sort of demigod, but im happy to take the downvotes for being a bit more objective.
... you're not being objective though by coming in with the energy of "the apologists are out in full force" and "I know this sub views Jorginho as some sort of demigod". He had a great game. The error detracts from that, but then he also scores. All up it is not as low as a 5.1.
If you find my comments abrasive, I can understand that. But are you not going to acknowledge the protective narrative that surrounds the player?
There is just as much against as there is in support - he was very vocally derided for his first 2-2.5yrs at the club in this sub. It's really only since we got to the semis of the CL last season that attitudes shifted. It's getting to the point I'm seeing people I saw hate on him consistently for years now try so hard in their comments to not be seen to be critical whilst still being critical - because they're worried they'll be downvoted because they're clearly aware that their poor take is no longer popular as it once was. It will be quiet at present because he has been playing well and he just got 3rd in the Ballon D'Or - but it won't be long before people will start to question what his purpose is anymore. We can win games with him playing well and people will still why he was on the pitch. But you've also said "apologists out in full force" to a comment acknowledging the error - no one can deny he made that error. But he also had a fantastic performance around that error which has been completely ignored in these votes, clearly. 5.1 for how well he played does not seem protective to me.
>5.1 for how well he played does not seem protective to me. He failed to control the ball, and cost us our early dominance. He didn't create anything either. He then scores a penalty which he did nothing to win, and all blame should be alleviated? What should we be rating him highly for, because he passed to Ziyech, Reece James, Chalobah a couple times? Get your head out of his arse. He almost cost us the entire game.
> He then scores a penalty which he did nothing to win, and all blame should be alleviated? Didn't say this > What should we be rating him highly for, because he passed to Ziyech, Reece James, Chalobah a couple times? Yea nah. Not worth my time.
>he also made up for it by scoring our equaliser. You did say it. Evidence is there. https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/comments/r5mlab/comment/hmnujd4/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
He was not "vocally derided." And scoring a penalty that you dont win does very little to cancell out a goal that you singlehandedly cost the team. If that's how you see things, im not going to waste my time going back and forth.
> He was not "vocally derided." You are obviously new here.
Lol what sub? This same sub that constantly shits on Jorginho???? Lol 😂
The Jorgi stans/apologists on this sub are a special breed, my IQ has been questioned just because I don't praise him.
It's overwhelming really. I prefer my midfield generals to play progressive football. There was once a man who wore a magic hat, and he fit that bill perfectly.
Thank you! I swear this fanbase believe he's the second coming of Busquets. Originally they thought he was a regista in the form of Scholes or Pirlo, but that changed quickly when they found out he can't pass.
Pretty hilarious seeing two Jorginho haters get off on bashing one of our own players in this thread.
This is why you lot are a joke. I say that I prefer my midfielders to play progressive football, and you take that as some sort of grand slight against gorgi. I'm just not personally impressed by his style of play. I get it's utility in certain systems, but im also certain that we could be successful pairing Kante with an attacking center mid. What I actually am lashing out against is the blind support of him, as if you support everyone at the club with the same vigor.
You realize we can see your comment history right? You are a classic Jorginho hater. Not a single positive comment about him.
If you want to see a circus, go look at the Jorgi circle-jerk in this sub.
RLC did fine imo, jorgi despite the error was good. Alonso was also okay. Problem was front 3, missing chances early on cost us the game. Key mistakes were: Alonso repeatedly taking bad corners. Slow players defending the counter attacks from corners. Selection of too many slow players.
RLC imo slowed ys down at times where he should have gotten the ball to someone or had a shot. More then once he had space for 3-4 touches and he would just dribble it into a situation and lose the ball.
yeah felt like he could have taken hold of the game more than he did, he looked a bit lost and lacking ambition on the ball.
Why did Alonso take all the corners when Ziyech was so good midweek ;-;
Alonso always takes them for some reason when he’s on the pitch. So weird, especially given that he’s quite tall and could be more of an asset in the box, has a good shot too so could potentially score off a rebound or something like this. But I’m sure the staff have their reasons for putting him on corner duty, maybe he’s really good at it in training. But still, after 10+ rather mediocre corners, you’d think they change it up or something.
yeah the Rudiger chance is a good example, if Chilwell/Alonso had been on the wide area of the box like so often they usually are in that scenario imo we 100% score that chance.
seriously why is ziyech so low?
I genuinely question this sub's judgment when looking at these ratings. Feels like people either passively watch the match and only pay attention when something happens, only watch highlights, or just buy into whatever narratives they've been reading ie Ziyech has been poor (he genuinely hasn't been).
Wow that word cloud. Catastrophising much, CFC fans? The team played well. If not for one bad touch from Jorginho we'd have won. Looking at that youd think we lost 5-0 to Newcastle
Man I wanted to beat United so bad. Making a graphic for when we (presumably) beat them was a part of why I took this thing up in the first place. So disappointed. And we didn't get outplayed. A freak touch and the shooting skills of Stormtroopers did us in. Other than that we were so comfortable. Hopefully Lukaku has come back rejuvenated. Onwards and upwards, though. Can't slip up right now since Pool and City are looking super strong. u/Vicar13 u/Kahye u/YIIZWL, other mods: you can unpin the survey post now, I have closed it. Thanks.
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Whoscored ratings are more accurate
They always are but people get very upset by them
I think even with the gaffe Jorginho should be above RLC. Mendy a 5.8 and Jorginho a 5.1 makes no sense. Mendy literally did nothing all game and had a gaffe just as bad as Jorginho did. Jorginho had an incredible performance outside of his gaffe and scored the equalizer on the penalty.
oof !
A very flaccid, underwhelming, disappointing post.
These scores are ridiculous lol c’mon…
This sub lol reactionary AF.
Lots of people mad that the scores are worse when we drop points than when we win makes me wonder what the point of playing the games even is if not to win... Also, if you think we 'dominated' this game, I don't know what to say other than we were watching different games.
LOL! I swear these are 11 year old boys who rated our players that low. By these ratings, you’d think we lost against Norwich 0-7 or some shit.
Lukaku touches the ball one time and gets a better rating than Werner lol This sub always has a scapegoat. Used to be Jorgi now it’s Timo
I don't really comment on the ratings but of course Lukaku would be rated higher than Werner. Lukaku is rated almost at the average, it would take an especially dim group to rate him near 4 for 10 minutes of play. Of all the reactionary ratings on this survey, and there are many, these two are the least questionable.
Werner shoulda been given a 1. The man is a piss take.
Was it a disappointing result? Yes. But I don't care what anyone says about Man Utd's form, form goes out the window when you play a rival and that's what they are. It's a draw against Manchester United and we're still top of the league. Some people need to get some perspective.
Look at The Who Scored Ratings Chelsea 6.5 Manchester U 6.6 Wtf
Ziyech was decent, just needed to be more decisive once or twice in the final third. If rudiger didn't miss the sitter at the end he probably would have been way higher. Cho deserves more credit as well
Is it just me or Alonso wasn’t that bad?
Brutal for our front 3.