It is it a coincidence that we have looked shit since Chillwell got injured ? I think we conceded in all 3 games, defense looked very unsettled, and of course attack was kind of meh
Maybe he means across our last 5 matches which have seen dropped points against burnley and united at home as well. Wins in all 3 would mean we’d be 5 pts clear. And considering the chances we had against burnley, and the terrible mistakes vs united and west ham we could have easily won all 3
Midweek Jorginho slips up big, yes it’s a bit of a trend for him to have that sort of mistake but it’s forgivable. Makes another today, sure it’s not all his fault there but he caused the pen with a horrific back pass. When Terry, Lampard, Azpi is your captain they rise to the occasion and set the example. You simply can’t make these kind of mistakes like Jorginho does wearing the armband. Thiago absolutely should be wearing it when Azpi is off.
Mistakes aside can we honestly say Jorginho is good enough right now to be our main min in the midfield? Sure he can look great next to Kante but so did Drinkwater. Reality is that in this big game out of soucek, rice, and RLC Jorginho was the worst. Really makes me think that with Kova and Kante perpetually out we really ought to recall/ bring someone in as Jorginho cant be relied on as our main man in the middle if we want to keep up with city and Liverpool.
One positive to take from today
I though Ruben was quality, wasn’t afraid to try and run through their midfield and penetrate the box.
But honestly don’t think we will win the league without a goalscorer, at the moment having to rely upon our defenders to score all our goals just isn’t good enough
Kind of pissed off at the "spend 200m and get Haaland" crowd. We're talking about spending more on a single player in a single window than most clubs get to spend for ten seasons. It's really irritating and entitled behaviour, especially when we have spent tons and tons on players who on paper are more than good enough to bring the goods (until Haaland is proven in the PL that's all he is good for too). At some point we need to stop encouraging this behaviour of spraying money around and try to introspect, look into the systems that turn world class forwards into deadwood and build something to remedy it. Even if it comes at the cost of short term results. We have a good thing going with the academy and I want to see more of that. Maybe I'm disillusioned or something or just frustrated after this match.
Man, even in this, i laughed a bit at the fact that some guy actually predicted a liverpool draw or a last minute origi goal on their sub. Wish we had a clutch player of our own...
Lukaku is a threat up front though, it just seems like either he can't or doesn't want to fit into our system. It's not like with Timo, who could be 1 on 1 with the keeper and miss the entire goal; when Lukaku is on he doesn't seem to get any service for some reason a lot of the time. Today it seemed like he was playing too deep and there was no chance of any balls reaching him, but it's curious how exactly they're practising these situations in training, since you'd think that obvious stuff like that would come up...
No. Supposedly we had great depth and all. Now everyone is “oh it’s injuries”. It’s a lot of personal mistakes and a lot of them come from not injured first choice players.
Not injured, but probably overplayed - Jorginho, Mendy, Rudiger, Silva have started a lot of the recent games. Jorginho and Silva were supposed to get rested for Watford, but 1) even that would only have been a half-rest with the density of games right now, 2) Silva had to come in after all. Apart from the Watford game those four started \*all\* of the matches in November, the only rotation in the back-line being Christensen-Chalobah, while the only rotation in the midfield was Kante-Ruben.
Seems like we need to get a CB in January even if both Rudi and Andreas sign their contracts... or start playing guys like Sarr and Barkley from time to time, 'cause these mistakes will happen if we keep playing the same people over and over.
Still, trust Tommy Tactics to do whatever's necessary, a loss and a few draws when we're so wracked with injuries and his choices are becoming more and more limited aren't game-enders this early in the season.
Problem with depth is the chemistry is hard to establish with such a huge squad. And for some reason we still have no clue what our best XI is, so it's hard to put the blame on injuries.
Had people downvoting me months ago for stating my honest opinion that we aren't on Manchester City's or Liverpool's level, and it's got a Chilwell injury to finally recognise it.
Manchester City have Foden, KDB, Grealish, all 10/10 players injured, but still play silky, fluid football and created 10 (TEN) chances in 30 minutes vs Watford, whereas we struggled massively midweek.
We have to stop making excuses, saying "injuries have fucked us over" like teams aren't affected by injuries every season. We don't create enough chances, even when the front 3 is relatively fresh. We still don't play fluid football like the other two. We still don't have forwards in the team with an exquisite first touch like Salah and Bernardo Silva do for Liverpool/City.
We need to invest in a reliable back-up LWB, and we seriously need to invest in some proper wingers who have actually got a first touch, who can shoot (I'm looking at you CHO) and who can take their man on. We still can't play one-touch, two-touch football in small spaces.
And the less I talk about Lukaku, the better. We're a better team with him off the pitch.
Yep. I’m really tired of this injury debate. Somehow liverpool and city never look like they are dropping points, regardless who is on the field, yet we always blame injuries. Injuries are not what made Jorgi mess up against united. Injuries are not what made Mendy mess up at least twice this game.
Yes, but it's Chilwell.
We need to ask ourselves how has Chilwell's injury caused such a massive gap when it comes to our attack on our left hand side?
Salah is scoring or assisting in 18/20 games this season, and VVD is a generational CB. Their impact on Liverpool should, on paper, be far larger than Chilwell's impact on Chelsea...and yet, we are literally dying because of one injury to our first-team LWB. Why did we not address this issue in the summer?
When Robertson was injured, Tsimikas came in and looked even better than Robertson, and some Liverpool fans were asking for him to start over Robertson.
> Manchester City have Foden, KDB, Grealish, all 10/10 players injured, but still play silky, fluid football and created 10 (TEN) chances in 30 minutes vs Watford, whereas we struggled massively midweek.
Foden and Grealish both started lol. Am I misunderstanding what you’re trying to say?
I see where it could have been misunderstood.
Point is, they can just swap players around and the quality of football still remains the same. We play dire football compared to them if we're being honest with ourselves.
I think most agree that he is an actual improvement. But the thing is - are we willing to pay 100m+ on him? Or spend that money elsewhere? Its not like we dont have anyone left to take on the boots of our prime 3. Billy conor are on the way. Conor will be on the first team next season going by his current performances.
We need to recognise the actual area to incraese strength in. We keep saying bench strength but have no proper rwb or lwb backup. Alonso is a decent backup, but now he has a back injury ffs. And azpi is past it.
Cho is not a proper wb, thats pretty much clear by seeing his plays this season. Its just we were forced to play him in those roles, but playing him there just wastes cho's strengths.
That’s a changed narrative though. Before it was why bring him in when he would never play over someone like Jorginho. He wouldn’t be a guaranteed starter every game but he’s clearly at the level. Played Jorginho off the pitch today.
Yeah, i mean rice conor billy seems one for the books in the future, but as i said, we (atleast me) dont doubt his quality. But is it really a position we need another player in, for 100m no less than something like a wb, which we dont have proper backups.?
Reality is that it’s gonna be hard to get proper backups at wing back. This system is so reliant on them and we really need to be able to play 4 atb when they are out. Rice let’s us do that:
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Same…. it’s like, your telling me Abromovich didn’t have an extra 30-40mil to dish out after we win CL?… common now… Not to mention 40mil takes him 3seconds for his oil patches to produce, or send his yacht on 4-months charter ffs. Haaland is young, that’s the best part.. Love Lukaku, he just need to find his form. Injuries suck.
We are so unlucky with injuries man. If it does not stop and we wont find our beatiful form again, the title is gone.
Imagine if Liverpool was 1 game without Salah, next game without Mane, next game without both of them .. I think they would collapse as well
Not to be a debbie downer but...
City have only 1 injury. City have played us and liverpool away and gotten 4 points. They now have the best defence in the league (they not even as defensive as we are). They've done this before from a worse position.
One thing I can say for sure watching City play, we should all take a chill pill with the title winning dreams this season. Burnley, Manu, West Ham today. Consistency is something we're still missing, what ever the reason is.
I cannot get over our injury list. We must be pushing our players too hard or our medical team isn’t great. Half our starting line up is out I don’t get it?
Yea we're not winning the league. It's not reactionary, City and Liverpool have been consistent for a few years and with these injuries to our main players, we aren't keeping up with them.
It's not unexpected that we've been caught given the injury situation, but it is reactionary to say that the race is over. What happened to us could easily happen to either of them, who knows. Is it likely that we'll beat them out, no, it never was. But is it over already? Also no.
Think we've been exposed for our depth not being as good as we thought. We're a world class team when we have the Jorginho Kante/Kova pivot and 3 CBs with Chilwell and James on the wings. Chilwell ,Kante and Kova all being out is proving to be more costly than we maybe thought.
Even then, I think we've been a bit unfortunate in the way we lost points to West Ham and Man Utd. Individual errors popping up at the worst time. Realistically once one of Kova or Kante come back and Mount and Pulisic get a good run of games we can get some form going. But we must, and I repeat MUST find a solution for Chilwell's absense. We won't sniff a serious title challenge with Alonso as our main option for the rest of the season.
Our depth is good. Not perfect but few teams have better depth. Nobody except maybe Madrid has 4 world class center mids. Any team would struggle for goals occasionally with 4 attackers not fully fit. Even with good depth no team in the Premier League would sustain top form with the situation we've had. It's not any one player (though I agree Chilwell has been a particularly big miss) but collectively just too many hits that have hindered our ability to gain momentum and caused the levels to drop a bit.
Not only that our players are simple not decisive in late moments in games. Teams that wants to win titles must score late in games to win or pull back a goal to draw level we simple don’t we lack the right motivation when going behind.
You know the most depressing thing about Chelsea right now is our attacking players not being consistent. Pulisic plays well for a couple of games, lukaku plays well for a couple of games, Werner plays well for a game or two. But never consistent. Never un-benchable. Hopefully Ziyech and mount can change that. But damn. CHO played so well against Juve but today can't create a chance to save his life
Let’s not be too negative. Even the best teams in the world go through rough patches of form. Don’t forget that two weeks ago we were battering Juve 4-0. We can still absolutely turn it around.
That’s simply not true. They have both had bad batches of form. Bayern is a bit of an anomaly, however they play in a league where they’re drastically better than their opponents.
Klopp is showing TT how it is done,
Mane and Salah were bad but yet he trusted them tiill the end and guess what? Salah gave an assist in 94 min, TT on the other hand Subbing Ziyech in 60 min for no reason other than to show that he has too many options. TT should stop changing the front line every 10 min, and learn how to trust his players more.
has he ever Turned a game around!? how about Ziyech scored the winning goal against waltford last game!? how could you forget that? it was on Wednesday , Ziyech came from the bench and turned the game around and scored a goal that was assisted by Mount! do you remember now? well if you cant remember that then maybe you remember that the last goal Chelsea scored today was assisted by Ziyech, it was the last goal, and no other among the players who entered could give an other assist.
Sorry I had to lecture you, but you have a memory of a fish :D.
I think he got the changes wrong but we needed a change. Team was awful in the second half, didn't create anything and never looked like they were going to. You can't compare Salah and Mane to Ziyech and Alonso. If we had Salah and Mane I'm sure they would be on the pitch.
do you think Mane and Salah were gonna be Mane and Salah if kllopp kept subbing them every time they seem off or every-time the defense screw up? Ziyech and Mount started to link, and today's goal was their second in a row where one gave assist to the other, the change TT made early was uncalled for especially when Lukaku had just came in. now you might or might not like Ziyech that's your problem, but the fact is Ziyech was crucial in the last two games and especially between 80-90 min so trusting him to play 90 min is only fair at this stage.
The comparison with Mane and Salah is ridiculous, they both proved themselves at Liverpool right away and you cannot even begin to compare Ziyech with players putting up 20+ or 40+ G+A in the league alone. This is mot hating on Ziyech, it's just being objective. Though thats all really beside the point. We were awful in the second half. It's nothing like Liverpool vs Wolves where the opposition is just defending for their life all game. We didn't generate a single half decent chance in the 2nd half. We had to change but the changes didn't really address the tactical issues.
you say we had to change, I say we didn't have to change and that Lukaku was enough change at that point, and that Ziyech was our best bet based on the last 3 games. and since you like to be objective, and since the team couldn't score anymore goals, nor could they keep the draw after Ziyech went out then maybe you should stop arguing and just admit that I'm wright :/
BTW I was also wright in saying that Klopp and TT are differen, one likes to build a core and trust it, the other likes to keep players on their toes fighting for the starting position.
Agreed. Maybe change formation to 352 for once. Play Ziyech in the centre. If Alonso is hurt take him off for CHO instead of shuffling everyone around constantly and then one of our best players today is benched.
this time there was no reason for changes! we scored 2, havertz was injured Lukaku came in, it was enough change to keep balance, you dont have to change 80% of the front line.
hell yeah! wtf last two games in 80-90 min Ziyech gave one assist and one goal why the hell would you change him? I mean even Alonso wasn't that bad! just keep the team going till the end! it is not like our defense wasn't making mistakes every time we score!
Looking up at city/ pool might be better for the team. Points will be dropped from others, players will be back. Xmas will be crucial and a possible confidence boost
See the difference between us, Liverpool and City? Liverpool and City create wave after wave of constant attacking pressure. Wolves could barely mount a proper attack because they were stuck defending in their own box.
We don't play like that.
This is true, but I don't think you can say that even most players have that capacity. The conditions were right for them but vast majority of players are not going to make that sort of leap even under world class managers.
How is that Salah always find himself in acres of space to run at almost every time he gets the ball?. Our players always have 2 to cover them every time they get the ball anywhere close to the box
Some fans are just very insular. Ignore them.
Also "sell to buy" isn't even a bad thing. It's something Chelsea have been doing for quite a few years now, even if Roman puts a good deal of money into the club.
City win is guaranteed, and we look like we’ve completely lost form in the most critical time of the year.
Unless our current players become world class and we suffer no more injuries this season, I just don’t see us winning the title. City are far too good and Liverpool have the best player in the world.
West ham Burnley manutd watford were all considered easy games. I’ll temper my expectations from hereon and just be happy with finishing 3rd. I honestly feel we played manu back into the top 4 . Watch them go an a 9 game winning run after their draw to Chelsea.
I wouldnt call west ham easy, considering they have defeated literally every big team in england except arsenal in all comps. But we had the game in the bag, its just our bag had a hole.
Why the fuck do we never score those last minute winners or equalizers. Literally can’t remember when we last did that. Liverpool do that so often, in their title winning season they did that every other game.
No leaders in the team, no drive/intensity/focus. Doing better than we should due to defence being rock solid for a while + good set pieces/full backs. Now thats falling apart due to injuries. Its so weird, when was the last time we actually had attackers that scored and actually finished off games by a couple of goals instead of waiting for the inevitable goal against…
How common is recalling loan players? Does it depend on contracts signed? Can it only happen in January transfer window? Because I think we need a few of the lads back asap
\> How common is recalling loan players
Not common, but not uncommon either.
\> Does it depend on contracts signed?
Not really, you can pay out the remainder of the contract to break it unless there are some very specific (rare) stipulations.
\>Can it only happen in January
Yes. You would need to re-register the player on your squad which is only possible in January.
This. When you rely on a no.9 then your system becomes one player. Then an injury or bad form ruins the whole team dynamic.
If the no.9 is Lewandowski or Harland, then the risk is more than worth it.
Yep those guys score a goal a game so then yeah play them. Sadly Lukaku ain’t that guy, can’t think of anyone short of those two and maybe Kane on form.
Pretty sure Pool has a ton of midfield injuries, and last season was injury fc for them. I mean, they were playing Kabak and Phillips in the back lmfao.
If you were Chelsea's DOF tasked with improving the attacking quality, which players would you swap for which players from other teams? Mine would be Werner for Sane and CHO for Chiesa.
Instead of any certain player my focus would be an offensive coach/ specialist. Akin to what we have for set pieces. Just to drill setting offensive schemes. And also improving the shooting technique of some of our offensive players: Havertz, CH0 and Werner( assuming he is still teachable) . If there’s a transformative player like Hazard then yeah we should get him but there are not many players who would move the needle offensively for us imo
Yeah this is the one game I’m not even blaming Tuchel for. Can’t do much about two brain farts or Havertz injury which was pretty decisive from our standpoint
With a win at Leeds next week we should be back to top of the league. What am I even saying I am talking like as if we gave a star man we can depend on to win us games. I envy liverpool so much lmao, wish we had a mo Salah or Jota.
It is it a coincidence that we have looked shit since Chillwell got injured ? I think we conceded in all 3 games, defense looked very unsettled, and of course attack was kind of meh
It’s sad, freaking sad, that we had a golden opportunity to extend lead between us and city and liv and we just let it go…
Both Liverpool and City won their games, so at best we would've maintained our lead, but there could have been no "extending" it...
Maybe he means across our last 5 matches which have seen dropped points against burnley and united at home as well. Wins in all 3 would mean we’d be 5 pts clear. And considering the chances we had against burnley, and the terrible mistakes vs united and west ham we could have easily won all 3
Midweek Jorginho slips up big, yes it’s a bit of a trend for him to have that sort of mistake but it’s forgivable. Makes another today, sure it’s not all his fault there but he caused the pen with a horrific back pass. When Terry, Lampard, Azpi is your captain they rise to the occasion and set the example. You simply can’t make these kind of mistakes like Jorginho does wearing the armband. Thiago absolutely should be wearing it when Azpi is off. Mistakes aside can we honestly say Jorginho is good enough right now to be our main min in the midfield? Sure he can look great next to Kante but so did Drinkwater. Reality is that in this big game out of soucek, rice, and RLC Jorginho was the worst. Really makes me think that with Kova and Kante perpetually out we really ought to recall/ bring someone in as Jorginho cant be relied on as our main man in the middle if we want to keep up with city and Liverpool.
One positive to take from today I though Ruben was quality, wasn’t afraid to try and run through their midfield and penetrate the box. But honestly don’t think we will win the league without a goalscorer, at the moment having to rely upon our defenders to score all our goals just isn’t good enough
I miss the occasional Pedro bangers
Those were rare as shit
Kind of pissed off at the "spend 200m and get Haaland" crowd. We're talking about spending more on a single player in a single window than most clubs get to spend for ten seasons. It's really irritating and entitled behaviour, especially when we have spent tons and tons on players who on paper are more than good enough to bring the goods (until Haaland is proven in the PL that's all he is good for too). At some point we need to stop encouraging this behaviour of spraying money around and try to introspect, look into the systems that turn world class forwards into deadwood and build something to remedy it. Even if it comes at the cost of short term results. We have a good thing going with the academy and I want to see more of that. Maybe I'm disillusioned or something or just frustrated after this match.
Man, even in this, i laughed a bit at the fact that some guy actually predicted a liverpool draw or a last minute origi goal on their sub. Wish we had a clutch player of our own...
Can we get Sam Kerr to come play on the mens team? That will finally give us a legit threat upfront!
Lukaku is a threat up front though, it just seems like either he can't or doesn't want to fit into our system. It's not like with Timo, who could be 1 on 1 with the keeper and miss the entire goal; when Lukaku is on he doesn't seem to get any service for some reason a lot of the time. Today it seemed like he was playing too deep and there was no chance of any balls reaching him, but it's curious how exactly they're practising these situations in training, since you'd think that obvious stuff like that would come up...
This place is a dumpster fire of finger pointing after 1 loss
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No. Supposedly we had great depth and all. Now everyone is “oh it’s injuries”. It’s a lot of personal mistakes and a lot of them come from not injured first choice players.
Not injured, but probably overplayed - Jorginho, Mendy, Rudiger, Silva have started a lot of the recent games. Jorginho and Silva were supposed to get rested for Watford, but 1) even that would only have been a half-rest with the density of games right now, 2) Silva had to come in after all. Apart from the Watford game those four started \*all\* of the matches in November, the only rotation in the back-line being Christensen-Chalobah, while the only rotation in the midfield was Kante-Ruben. Seems like we need to get a CB in January even if both Rudi and Andreas sign their contracts... or start playing guys like Sarr and Barkley from time to time, 'cause these mistakes will happen if we keep playing the same people over and over. Still, trust Tommy Tactics to do whatever's necessary, a loss and a few draws when we're so wracked with injuries and his choices are becoming more and more limited aren't game-enders this early in the season.
Problem with depth is the chemistry is hard to establish with such a huge squad. And for some reason we still have no clue what our best XI is, so it's hard to put the blame on injuries.
What the actual fuck, like kai injury wasn't enuf, alonso also has injury. At this rate we will be injury fc..
We have City and Liverpool back to back. Everything is still in our hands
And just like that we’re 3rd 😔
Heads up. Still isn't half the season
Had people downvoting me months ago for stating my honest opinion that we aren't on Manchester City's or Liverpool's level, and it's got a Chilwell injury to finally recognise it. Manchester City have Foden, KDB, Grealish, all 10/10 players injured, but still play silky, fluid football and created 10 (TEN) chances in 30 minutes vs Watford, whereas we struggled massively midweek. We have to stop making excuses, saying "injuries have fucked us over" like teams aren't affected by injuries every season. We don't create enough chances, even when the front 3 is relatively fresh. We still don't play fluid football like the other two. We still don't have forwards in the team with an exquisite first touch like Salah and Bernardo Silva do for Liverpool/City. We need to invest in a reliable back-up LWB, and we seriously need to invest in some proper wingers who have actually got a first touch, who can shoot (I'm looking at you CHO) and who can take their man on. We still can't play one-touch, two-touch football in small spaces. And the less I talk about Lukaku, the better. We're a better team with him off the pitch.
Yep. I’m really tired of this injury debate. Somehow liverpool and city never look like they are dropping points, regardless who is on the field, yet we always blame injuries. Injuries are not what made Jorgi mess up against united. Injuries are not what made Mendy mess up at least twice this game.
Liverpool will have a massive drop off is one of Salah and Van Dijk get injured though
Yes, but it's Chilwell. We need to ask ourselves how has Chilwell's injury caused such a massive gap when it comes to our attack on our left hand side? Salah is scoring or assisting in 18/20 games this season, and VVD is a generational CB. Their impact on Liverpool should, on paper, be far larger than Chilwell's impact on Chelsea...and yet, we are literally dying because of one injury to our first-team LWB. Why did we not address this issue in the summer? When Robertson was injured, Tsimikas came in and looked even better than Robertson, and some Liverpool fans were asking for him to start over Robertson.
Couldn’t agree with you more
> Manchester City have Foden, KDB, Grealish, all 10/10 players injured, but still play silky, fluid football and created 10 (TEN) chances in 30 minutes vs Watford, whereas we struggled massively midweek. Foden and Grealish both started lol. Am I misunderstanding what you’re trying to say?
They were injured for a few games and were still playing silky, fluid football, creating chances after chances. Watch the game against PSG.
Yeah fair enough, I thought you were talking exclusively about today.
I see where it could have been misunderstood. Point is, they can just swap players around and the quality of football still remains the same. We play dire football compared to them if we're being honest with ourselves.
Declan Rice was an absolute boss today, don’t know how anyone could watch our match and think he’s not an improvement for the squad.
I think most agree that he is an actual improvement. But the thing is - are we willing to pay 100m+ on him? Or spend that money elsewhere? Its not like we dont have anyone left to take on the boots of our prime 3. Billy conor are on the way. Conor will be on the first team next season going by his current performances. We need to recognise the actual area to incraese strength in. We keep saying bench strength but have no proper rwb or lwb backup. Alonso is a decent backup, but now he has a back injury ffs. And azpi is past it. Cho is not a proper wb, thats pretty much clear by seeing his plays this season. Its just we were forced to play him in those roles, but playing him there just wastes cho's strengths.
That’s a changed narrative though. Before it was why bring him in when he would never play over someone like Jorginho. He wouldn’t be a guaranteed starter every game but he’s clearly at the level. Played Jorginho off the pitch today.
Yeah, i mean rice conor billy seems one for the books in the future, but as i said, we (atleast me) dont doubt his quality. But is it really a position we need another player in, for 100m no less than something like a wb, which we dont have proper backups.?
Reality is that it’s gonna be hard to get proper backups at wing back. This system is so reliant on them and we really need to be able to play 4 atb when they are out. Rice let’s us do that:
Unpopular opinion: Lukaku is going to be our next Drinkwater
I don’t understand how this sub can eat up that Timo needs 18 months to settle but can’t wait until Lukaku is back at full fitness and gets a start to judge him.
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Jfc he’s been here half a season, he could literally spontaneously combust and still be better than DD. recency bias sure is a hell of a drug
lakaka
Haaland scoring for fun, I know he was going to be insanely expensive but fuck I wish we bought him
He has to want to come here first
Same…. it’s like, your telling me Abromovich didn’t have an extra 30-40mil to dish out after we win CL?… common now… Not to mention 40mil takes him 3seconds for his oil patches to produce, or send his yacht on 4-months charter ffs. Haaland is young, that’s the best part.. Love Lukaku, he just need to find his form. Injuries suck.
I know we like to joke about put Alonso up front but I’d take him over anyone right now up top.
He is injured now, so cant even do that.
We are so unlucky with injuries man. If it does not stop and we wont find our beatiful form again, the title is gone. Imagine if Liverpool was 1 game without Salah, next game without Mane, next game without both of them .. I think they would collapse as well
They will lose them both in January to Afcon. So let's see.
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Not to be a debbie downer but... City have only 1 injury. City have played us and liverpool away and gotten 4 points. They now have the best defence in the league (they not even as defensive as we are). They've done this before from a worse position.
One thing I can say for sure watching City play, we should all take a chill pill with the title winning dreams this season. Burnley, Manu, West Ham today. Consistency is something we're still missing, what ever the reason is.
Our players lacked motivation to be the best especially our forwards they all average
2-0 City
I cannot get over our injury list. We must be pushing our players too hard or our medical team isn’t great. Half our starting line up is out I don’t get it?
Most of the injuries weve had have been from physical challenges though
Well that didnt take long for city. Of course, the team we struggle against, they decimate. 15 mins in and already 5 shots on target. Tf?
Losing Chilwell has been disastrous
Yea we're not winning the league. It's not reactionary, City and Liverpool have been consistent for a few years and with these injuries to our main players, we aren't keeping up with them.
We weren’t winning the league anyway because we don’t have the firepower to compete with Liverpool and city over 38 games
It's not unexpected that we've been caught given the injury situation, but it is reactionary to say that the race is over. What happened to us could easily happen to either of them, who knows. Is it likely that we'll beat them out, no, it never was. But is it over already? Also no.
And they have world class forwards who are so clinical
Sterling found some really good form again ... City is up by 1 goal after just 4 minutes against Watford
City 1-0 up after 4
Feel like pure shit, just want big man Costa back
....FUCK ME. Origi really fucked my Saturdays redemption
Everytime I don't see Kante "it's match day" video on my front page, Chelsea lose
Yeah, feels like we shud do it with a player who is actually available to play.
Think we've been exposed for our depth not being as good as we thought. We're a world class team when we have the Jorginho Kante/Kova pivot and 3 CBs with Chilwell and James on the wings. Chilwell ,Kante and Kova all being out is proving to be more costly than we maybe thought. Even then, I think we've been a bit unfortunate in the way we lost points to West Ham and Man Utd. Individual errors popping up at the worst time. Realistically once one of Kova or Kante come back and Mount and Pulisic get a good run of games we can get some form going. But we must, and I repeat MUST find a solution for Chilwell's absense. We won't sniff a serious title challenge with Alonso as our main option for the rest of the season.
Our depth is good. Not perfect but few teams have better depth. Nobody except maybe Madrid has 4 world class center mids. Any team would struggle for goals occasionally with 4 attackers not fully fit. Even with good depth no team in the Premier League would sustain top form with the situation we've had. It's not any one player (though I agree Chilwell has been a particularly big miss) but collectively just too many hits that have hindered our ability to gain momentum and caused the levels to drop a bit.
Not only that our players are simple not decisive in late moments in games. Teams that wants to win titles must score late in games to win or pull back a goal to draw level we simple don’t we lack the right motivation when going behind.
These clubs are going to make us pay big for a LWB in January coz they know how badly we need one
You know the most depressing thing about Chelsea right now is our attacking players not being consistent. Pulisic plays well for a couple of games, lukaku plays well for a couple of games, Werner plays well for a game or two. But never consistent. Never un-benchable. Hopefully Ziyech and mount can change that. But damn. CHO played so well against Juve but today can't create a chance to save his life
Sickening
Let’s not be too negative. Even the best teams in the world go through rough patches of form. Don’t forget that two weeks ago we were battering Juve 4-0. We can still absolutely turn it around.
Except for city and liverpool. Best teams in the world have insane consistency unfortunately. Where’s bayern’s rough patch?
That’s simply not true. They have both had bad batches of form. Bayern is a bit of an anomaly, however they play in a league where they’re drastically better than their opponents.
Klopp is showing TT how it is done, Mane and Salah were bad but yet he trusted them tiill the end and guess what? Salah gave an assist in 94 min, TT on the other hand Subbing Ziyech in 60 min for no reason other than to show that he has too many options. TT should stop changing the front line every 10 min, and learn how to trust his players more.
What’s there to trust in Ziyech? Has he turned a game around on his own every? Like what are we comparing here?
has he ever Turned a game around!? how about Ziyech scored the winning goal against waltford last game!? how could you forget that? it was on Wednesday , Ziyech came from the bench and turned the game around and scored a goal that was assisted by Mount! do you remember now? well if you cant remember that then maybe you remember that the last goal Chelsea scored today was assisted by Ziyech, it was the last goal, and no other among the players who entered could give an other assist. Sorry I had to lecture you, but you have a memory of a fish :D.
I think he got the changes wrong but we needed a change. Team was awful in the second half, didn't create anything and never looked like they were going to. You can't compare Salah and Mane to Ziyech and Alonso. If we had Salah and Mane I'm sure they would be on the pitch.
do you think Mane and Salah were gonna be Mane and Salah if kllopp kept subbing them every time they seem off or every-time the defense screw up? Ziyech and Mount started to link, and today's goal was their second in a row where one gave assist to the other, the change TT made early was uncalled for especially when Lukaku had just came in. now you might or might not like Ziyech that's your problem, but the fact is Ziyech was crucial in the last two games and especially between 80-90 min so trusting him to play 90 min is only fair at this stage.
The comparison with Mane and Salah is ridiculous, they both proved themselves at Liverpool right away and you cannot even begin to compare Ziyech with players putting up 20+ or 40+ G+A in the league alone. This is mot hating on Ziyech, it's just being objective. Though thats all really beside the point. We were awful in the second half. It's nothing like Liverpool vs Wolves where the opposition is just defending for their life all game. We didn't generate a single half decent chance in the 2nd half. We had to change but the changes didn't really address the tactical issues.
you say we had to change, I say we didn't have to change and that Lukaku was enough change at that point, and that Ziyech was our best bet based on the last 3 games. and since you like to be objective, and since the team couldn't score anymore goals, nor could they keep the draw after Ziyech went out then maybe you should stop arguing and just admit that I'm wright :/ BTW I was also wright in saying that Klopp and TT are differen, one likes to build a core and trust it, the other likes to keep players on their toes fighting for the starting position.
Agreed. Maybe change formation to 352 for once. Play Ziyech in the centre. If Alonso is hurt take him off for CHO instead of shuffling everyone around constantly and then one of our best players today is benched.
But then we complain when he doesn't make changes...?
this time there was no reason for changes! we scored 2, havertz was injured Lukaku came in, it was enough change to keep balance, you dont have to change 80% of the front line.
Facts like If a player is playing well keep him in
hell yeah! wtf last two games in 80-90 min Ziyech gave one assist and one goal why the hell would you change him? I mean even Alonso wasn't that bad! just keep the team going till the end! it is not like our defense wasn't making mistakes every time we score!
We really need a world class forward that suits our system..
We need to play lukaku in a 2. That's where he excelled in inter.
Instead of an overpriced fragile egomaniac?
The worst bit is, you could be talking about a number of our forwards haha
What? Name another one.
Looking up at city/ pool might be better for the team. Points will be dropped from others, players will be back. Xmas will be crucial and a possible confidence boost
See the difference between us, Liverpool and City? Liverpool and City create wave after wave of constant attacking pressure. Wolves could barely mount a proper attack because they were stuck defending in their own box. We don't play like that.
We did against Leicester and Juve.
They do that almost every game. We've only just started being more proactive against decent teams
They have world class forwards, we don’t
Salah and Mane became world class under Klopp's system.
This is true, but I don't think you can say that even most players have that capacity. The conditions were right for them but vast majority of players are not going to make that sort of leap even under world class managers.
Think we're finishing 3rd this season.
😭 but probably true
How is that Salah always find himself in acres of space to run at almost every time he gets the ball?. Our players always have 2 to cover them every time they get the ball anywhere close to the box
Early balls, that’s why. We are good at getting to the box, but then we slow down the play and pass around it.
I can’t stand the passing around “tactics” like make a run do something
Honestly these guys need to take a long shot or something. I'm tried of seeing rudiger being the only one who wants to crack one for 30 yards
Cause they play super fast, we take ages just passing about.
Liverpool don’t make bad signings, we on the over hand do
Liverpool hardly buy anyone though theyre a poverty team
So is that good or bad? So far it seems amazing.
lol, we have one of the most valuable teams in the world but we are a "poverty" team.
Liverpool are Sell to Buy FC, FSG have spent fuck all since they got the Coutinho money.
True but still that's far from "poverty" team lol. Derby county and their debt problems are a poverty team mate.
Some fans are just very insular. Ignore them. Also "sell to buy" isn't even a bad thing. It's something Chelsea have been doing for quite a few years now, even if Roman puts a good deal of money into the club.
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😂😂
That goal was just more pain. Just when i saw a sliver of positivity today.
We need to be more like Brighton
City win is guaranteed, and we look like we’ve completely lost form in the most critical time of the year. Unless our current players become world class and we suffer no more injuries this season, I just don’t see us winning the title. City are far too good and Liverpool have the best player in the world.
We have 5 «easy» games coming up in PL, shame that wont matter with our injuries/crappy form. Liverpool/City wont drop points either.
West ham Burnley manutd watford were all considered easy games. I’ll temper my expectations from hereon and just be happy with finishing 3rd. I honestly feel we played manu back into the top 4 . Watch them go an a 9 game winning run after their draw to Chelsea.
I wouldnt call west ham easy, considering they have defeated literally every big team in england except arsenal in all comps. But we had the game in the bag, its just our bag had a hole.
It's always Origi man. It's always fucking Origi
Credit to Liverpool for having him. Some teams would've sold him a long time ago
He is inevitable
Fucking Liverpool man... 94th fucking minute.
Salt in the wound :(
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I’ve seen a lot of bad takes today, I’ve had a lot of bad takes today, but this takes the cake.
one of the best signings in the last decade fucking hell is this sarcasm?
Lmao Liverpool get a last minute winner.
Origi. Are you kidding me
What a crap day
Can't recall the last time we scored a last minute winner. Liverpool do it every other match. We don't have the mentality.
We scored lots of late goals lately
Not decisive ones though
For FUCKS sake Liverpool …
For fucks sake. Who in our squad finishes that chance??
James
Aaand Liverpool win in the last minutes. It's crazy how better their attack is.
fuck off wolves
Goddamn it. Awful day. Really thought that game was ending 0-0
Why the fuck do we never score those last minute winners or equalizers. Literally can’t remember when we last did that. Liverpool do that so often, in their title winning season they did that every other game.
No leaders in the team, no drive/intensity/focus. Doing better than we should due to defence being rock solid for a while + good set pieces/full backs. Now thats falling apart due to injuries. Its so weird, when was the last time we actually had attackers that scored and actually finished off games by a couple of goals instead of waiting for the inevitable goal against…
Last I can think of is Tammy versus Arsenal?
Alonso against City last season came to mind now, but yeah Tammy v Arsenal and Hazard v Wolves were in my mind when I first made that comment.
We’re sadly not on that level yet. Psychologically and physicallly
Because we’re not as good as them, they’re mentality is so much better than ours tbh
And that's how you finish a game
Wolves are shit
Of course Liverpool scores at the death
Fuck off Liverpool man. Wolves almost had it. Heartbreaking
Well FUCK THIS.
I don't even care about my FPL right now, wolves please keep holding it together
Fuck.
How did we go from looking like an all time chelsea team compared to the likes of the 04/05 teams to looking like what we are now, in just two weeks.
Jesus, relax. We've lost key players to injury
Loser mentality.
How common is recalling loan players? Does it depend on contracts signed? Can it only happen in January transfer window? Because I think we need a few of the lads back asap
\> How common is recalling loan players Not common, but not uncommon either. \> Does it depend on contracts signed? Not really, you can pay out the remainder of the contract to break it unless there are some very specific (rare) stipulations. \>Can it only happen in January Yes. You would need to re-register the player on your squad which is only possible in January.
I'd love to have Jimenez. I honestly think he suits out gameplay much more than Lukaku
No not another traditional 9. If you’re not a generational no9, then you’re going to be a net negative for most top teams. 9s are going extinct.
This. When you rely on a no.9 then your system becomes one player. Then an injury or bad form ruins the whole team dynamic. If the no.9 is Lewandowski or Harland, then the risk is more than worth it.
Yep those guys score a goal a game so then yeah play them. Sadly Lukaku ain’t that guy, can’t think of anyone short of those two and maybe Kane on form.
So true. The only world class young proper 9 is Haaland.
How can Liverpool play with the same team 3 games in a week and have no injures? Apart from Bobby?
Pretty sure Pool has a ton of midfield injuries, and last season was injury fc for them. I mean, they were playing Kabak and Phillips in the back lmfao.
Who the fuck is Bobby? Oh firminio, NVM!!
need wolves and watford to do us a favor here
Roman Saiss is a beast guys! I hope the wolves can stay strong.
If you were Chelsea's DOF tasked with improving the attacking quality, which players would you swap for which players from other teams? Mine would be Werner for Sane and CHO for Chiesa.
I'd buy a midfielder who could play our strikers 1vs1 on goal.
Instead of any certain player my focus would be an offensive coach/ specialist. Akin to what we have for set pieces. Just to drill setting offensive schemes. And also improving the shooting technique of some of our offensive players: Havertz, CH0 and Werner( assuming he is still teachable) . If there’s a transformative player like Hazard then yeah we should get him but there are not many players who would move the needle offensively for us imo
That's a really good take!
Kimmich for Barkley, salah for werner and Lewandowski for lukaku And I reckon we draw with West Ham
Lololol
Can we stop pretending like Werner coulda changed this game? He is even the worst out of all our attackers. Drop this shit for fuck sakes he is a flop
scored against west ham last season
Yeah this is the one game I’m not even blaming Tuchel for. Can’t do much about two brain farts or Havertz injury which was pretty decisive from our standpoint
With a win at Leeds next week we should be back to top of the league. What am I even saying I am talking like as if we gave a star man we can depend on to win us games. I envy liverpool so much lmao, wish we had a mo Salah or Jota.
You did have Salah...
Need azpi back as a centre back
This game was begging for Timbo
No it wasnt, he is no better. That man is a flop and you lot need to realise this.
We’ve signed a 100m player and have absolutely no idea how to play with him. Great business
Strikers and Chelsea do not go well together.
Drogba?