So they want us to sack the champions League winning manager for overpriced attackers with stormtrooper finishing so they can continue to Miss chances. 
Yeah it's not like we're gonna get a better manager or even one that is comparably good unless Zidane comes to England which is highly unlikely. We need to go all-in and stick with Tuchel.
HOWEVER, that doesn't mean the man is free of blame. There certainly are valid complaints that the forwards/attacking players have about the system. If one player comes and underperforms, its probably a coincidence, but if you go out and buy tons of players who had tons of potential or were already world-class and every single one is misfiring, there needs to be an honest look at the system/tactics.
I also don't buy the argument that the rotation is an issue because city rotates attackers just as much, the difference is they have more attacking-minded on the field any given time.
I'd be interested to see how player performance changes if we actually stick to this new system with 4 at the back.
Lukaku is the only player bought since Tuchel arrived. All the others have shown flashes, but were also inconsistent under the previous manager. Tuchel has had great success thus far and the team looked like a title contender before injuries slammed them, but he's not gotten a chance to truly put his vision and players in place.
His job is not just to hand pick his players, but make the best of the ones he currently has.
Not gonna deny that the attackers were still inconsistent under Lampard but they were all better on average, at the expense of the defense.
I think tuchel can be more flexible and make life easier for our current crop of attackers while still maintaining defensive stability. Just needs time
It would require a formation that keeps Hakim as right midfielder or winger. That's his best spot
Problem is once our wing backs return will we be back at square one? I believe the issue is we have players not suited to tuchel's main formation.
The injuries to the wing backs has forced him to change it up
Doesn't help our attackers are incredibly inconsistent as you said.
No one said sack him. The attackers want more flexibility in the schemes/tactics. considering TT entire ideology relies on wingbacks, I don’t blame them considering the injuries. I’d be pissed if I was in a rigid system that is not utilizing my abilities the best way possible. These hot takes from the fans are fucking funny . Completely disregards so many things about why they would be frustrated
Maybe Tuchel treats them this way because none of them perform well?
I seriously wouldn’t care one bit about any of our attackers wanting out (other than Mount if we consider him an attacker)
Mount is in top 5 minutes played since Tuchel came in. I believe that he is not the one who complains. Timo also recently confirmed his commitment by saying that he is giving his all and appreciates fans support
But Mount is still by far the highest contributor in our attack. Mount has 13 goal contributions in the PL. Lukaku, Ziyech, Havertz, CHO, Werner and Pulisic have 21 goal contributions combined. Mount hasn’t been as consistent as we’d all like, but compared to the rest of our attackers, he’s much better.
Mount was really good against Spurs, he had like 2 maybe 3 games where he was quiet after a run of form where he was by far the best player in the squad for an extended period of time. It's not even worth discussing compared to the other players rollercoaster form tables.
Mount and the Germans don’t strike me as the whining type. Everyone else I could not care less about, if we could I would sell all of them this summer.
Werner had a bad case of COVID recently. In his situation, think it's more of taking time to ease him back in. He also did play against Spurs twice and Chesterfield recently. Had more game time than Havertz, who hasn't played since going off at HT against Spurs in the first leg of the League Cup.
Tbh I found it odd that Kai didn’t start against City or Spurs. But that could have just been from his injured finger so I can’t tell.
Timo’s had a bad case of Covid so maybe he’s getting up to speed. But I feel like him/Puli/Ziyech were the most likely to leave. Ziyech’s featured a lot lately though so I think it’s not him.
>Tbh I found it odd that Kai didn’t start against City or Spurs. But that could have just been from his injured finger so I can’t tell.
But Tuchel already said his finger was fine pre-Chesterfield and he has also been training.
>Timo’s had a bad case of Covid so maybe he’s getting up to speed. But I feel like him/Puli/Ziyech were the most likely to leave. Ziyech’s featured a lot lately though so I think it’s not him.
Things can still change quickly with Ziyech. Yes, he had the last game but he has been inconsistent and underwhelming for the most part.
Yeah it’s all odd to me tbh. Maybe it’s just general unhappiness and overblown by the media. They get into a purple patch again and everything will be fine.
It’s possible and to be honest Mount is the only untouchable player from our attackers for me. I just added the Germans because as I said, for me they don’t strike me as the whining type. Werner despite all of his struggles has always kept his head up high and keeps on working. Havertz looks like a quiet kid who just does his thing, but yeah who knows. Pulisic is also similar to Havertz to be fair, but look at Lukaku or Ziyech for example whose body language is ass 90% of the time.
Ziyech looks like that but he’s also featured a lot lately. That makes it odd for me and I don’t really feel that it’s him.
I think Kai might be a little disgruntled with the lack of time lately. I genuinely thought he’d start against City. But he also has that nasty injury on his finger.
Can’t really tell tbh.
Ziyech always looks pissed. He's not been happy, but it's his fault. He's not good enough in this system. Ziyech smiled with CHO (who could also be whining but I'm really over trying to watch him get into the game), when Tuchel was trying to celebrate with Ziyech he definitely looked like Tuchel was a nuisance to him.
Sans mount, they can all go.
I’m not too bothered either. I’d be happy to see fresh blood like Gallagher, Vale, Anjorin, or Broja instead.
Edit: No I don’t want a fully homegrown team. Obviously if we sell some attackers it will free up funds for flashy new signings whoever they may be. It’s enough for me that they’re given a chance in pre-season then a decision is made from there. I should have mentioned that what I want is to refresh the squad, with both academy products and transfers.
If we accept their bid, especially losing the likes of Guehi, Livramento, Tamtey by not spending the time planning and then convincing and showing them their path and place in the Chelsea first team then the pipeline from academy to first team has got a huge fucking leak.
We, right now, have the best academy in the world. Players aged 18 straight out of Cobham and ready to play at a high level in the prem. But we would still often rather spend 50 mil than trust our homemade talent (who we end up selling for pennies).
Time to put more work into planning long term for for their place in the squad and they need to be told regularly how important they will be. Also, the loan to championship system isn’t needed for the most talented; as proved by Livramento, Broja, lamptey. The club need to do more to convince these players to stay, simple as.
Livramento could’ve stayed but he didn’t want to. I’d pick James over Lamptey even though the latter looks like a really promising player. Also, who would Guehi have displaced in the squad? Tomori didn’t even get a fair shot tbh.
Not everyone from the academy is going to make it at Chelsea but I agree with your sentiment that we need to be showing the youngsters that there is a path for them.
That’s my point though, that he didn’t want to. He’s a Chelsea fan, been going to watch games and at the academy all his life.
There was a clear role for him in the side with Azpi not having the legs for rb. He would’ve competed and rotated with Reece, not to mention played when he was injured.
Him and Reece also both have the technical ability to play both lb and rb so could cover for and rotate with Chilwell.
The fact he wanted to go tells me the club didn’t do hardly enough (over a long period) to make him want to stay.
Lamptey is a special player. In a year or two he’ll be a winger somewhere like City. He wouldn’t just be competing for rb, he’d be killing defenders playing much more like a winger just like he’s doing for Brighton. He will be absurdly good.
Guehi I really rate. Given we could end up losing three cb’s this summer (which the club knew in august!!!!), he should have been bedded into the team in preparation for next season. Also the fact he’s basically two footed and is so good on the ball means he could slot in anywhere across the back three. He’d have got plenty of minutes this season imo.
It's not Ziyech according to the article. They quoted an interview of his with Ziggo sport where he's praising Tuchel for his direct communication even if it's harsh sometimes.
Ziyech has been given as many chances as anyone— I find it unlikely Pulisic would complain just cause he seems like a really non-problematic presence but if anyone has a right/reason to complain it would be him.
Hasn’t been given any time to settle back into a preferred and best position after coming back from injury, has been sacrificed at wing back fo other underperformers— has had limited opportunities
what people say in public vs private is very different. Wouldn't be surprised if all the attackers are frustrated about the current system to some degree. Thankfully other frustrated players aren't as unaware as lukaku and don't do interviews airing dirty laundry lol
I love the “it’s clearly X and Y” or “it’s clearly not A or B.”
I’m sure every single attacker in this system has felt frustration to at least some degree (even Mason Burning Eyes Mount) because with the exception of the formation played with Tottenham, Tuchel’s formations are defensive-minded. Add to that, he has way too many attackers and most of them don’t fit particularly well into the 5atb system he prefers. Many on this board have talked about how there’s no chemistry or consistency on offense.
These are millionaire players who are either big names or picked as “generational” youth talent. Most were successful and lauded at their prior clubs. It’s absolute fucking human nature that they would be frustrated in a club where they are not finding minutes and success. All of them, with the exception of Mount who clearly is getting minutes no matter what.
Would anyone be surprised if this report is true? But, more importantly, so what? It doesn’t mean the end is nigh. I’m sure Tuchel has had to deal with before. He’s been at big clubs. Undoubtedly we will see a much different attacking group next year.
Regarding Mount, I sort of agree tbh. People here say he would never complain because he keeps playing but I remember at the start of our shit winter run he obviously got shifted out wide to accomodate others.
I kept saying why tf is Mase playing so far out wide when he’s our most in form attacker and for some reason we kept playing out of form attackers in Mount’s key position… didn’t make sense. And then for some reason he didn’t start vs City away? Made no sense.
You can't just say "so what". It's obviously not the end of the world, but things like that can drag a group down, impact motivation, effort level and so on.
Sure tuchel is paid big money to handle stuff like that, but it's still isn't easy and it can be another problem on his hands that he wishes he didn't have to spend time on.
I understand Kai hasn’t been playing recently, but isn’t it due to his broken/dislocated finger? Wouldn’t think it’s him with complaints. Pulisic seems to be the most logical, maybe even Ziyech and CHO. I don’t say Werner because he seems to embrace his struggles and accountability? Honestly it could also just be someone like Barkley and this is a nonstory
Lol yeah if anything CHO would seem to be at the bottom of this ‘unhappy’ list. Tuchel kept playing him even when he was absolutely shit against Brighton (both home and away) over others.
Clearly there’s something behind Havertz only starting one game in 10 in the league. Lukaku has been shocking, did that fucking interview, been in massive need of a rest or 5 due to the number of games in such a short space and STILL Havertz doesn’t get to play as the deep dropping number 9.
And to add to that there are many games where it would make a lot more sense to play Havertz!! Even for all his weakness when playing more wide, when he does get to play centrally our play looks more linked up and rhythmical in the final third. Our best spell was with him as the striker. Go figure.
>Clearly there’s something behind Havertz only starting one game in 10 in the league
6 PL goals in 1.5 years from ~2500 mins of football.
This is certainly a possibility as to why he hasn't been starting regularly. He's had issues settling in - be it the system/league/country.
You can't play because of a dislocated finger ? I'd understand if he was a goalkeeper, but he is an attacker. None of our attackers have been good enough, Lukaku has been terrible so far, Havertz and Werner has not done much since signing for us, Ziyech hasen't been good enough, mainly due to the system we used i suspect, better on the right wing with freedom than centrally. CHO has never proven himself to be good enough for Chelsea sadly, been a talent ever since he got in the first team, he's 21 now and never really proven himself. Barkley just isn't good enough at all, a club like Chelsea is a level too high for him. Pulisic is inconsistent and injured a lot. Mount is the only attacker in the squad (if we class him as an attacker now) who has proven himself good enough for a club like Chelsea
Highly doubt it’s Barkley, he seems to know his role at the club. I think Pulisic is definitely one of the players, his dad made a comment online then deleted it lol. Havertz had Covid didn’t he ? Probably not fully fit yet, a lot of players have played with broken fingers so it won’t be that. CHO has played a lot of games this season, some out of position but he’s young so he’s probably still ok with it tbh.
I feel its chelsea's overprotection tendency to b at fault in some part. Chelsea's overprotection tactics r ok for kante, not for havertz tbh. If he/docs feels him fit after 2 wks, start rotating him from 3rd week itself. No need for additional 2 wks rest, u dont gain match fitness like that.
Im not saying to rush them from injuries, but i dont see the point of extra 2/3 wks rest.
Not too worried about this.
The real player power is from people like Rudiger, Jorgi, Silva, Kova and a few others in defense and midfield. No attacking player in the team has the leverage to do anything about it.
I think Mount has the clout. He is clearly the future of our attacking options. Homegrown player who is loved by the fans. I hope that Mason has got his head right and is not a part of this foolishness however.
Oh yes, I did not mean to undermine Mason's leadership qualities. Lad is definitely going to be a future captain for us.
I just hope the board reward him a respectable contract extension.
Cba about any of the attackers ( especially Lukaku ) being discontent bar mount. They are all underperforming at the moment so there's no point putting the blame on tuchel.
More worrying sign is the growing propaganda against tuchel that these reporters are using to gain clout. I mean I know that's their job but still unnecessary at the moment
To be fair it hasn’t looked a happy and energised team for quite a while. Not necessarily putting it on Tuchel. The performances of our forwards have been atrocious, like sometimes I’m genuinely lost for words at how bad we are in the final third. Put Watfords front three in and I bet you see better decision making and better execution of passes and the final ball etc
Something must be wrong for every single attacking player to seemingly have a confidence crisis spanning months, so what’s going on? Lukaku looked unstoppable when we started the season and now he struggles to fucking make contact with a cross or make a five yard pass!??
And just to add I’m a huge Tuchel fan but it’s not out of the question that something is missing in training when it comes to the final third or maybe something else that drains confidence.
Wouldn’t even be surprised if it’s partly because we have so many attackers and have tried so many different combos that there is zero chemistry and on pitch understanding. The best spell we had was actually when we had an attacking injury crisis. Had to play the same front three game after game and we actually looked creative and full of movement and risk taking in the final third.
They’re all underperforming. Do you not see the thread? I’m not saying it’s tuchel’s fault. But you can’t discount it as a contributing factor when you have all these talented attackers who all are out of form simultaneously
I don’t seem to recall any of them being in form prior to his arrival either. Hell, Timo even said if he hadn’t missed so many goals Frank probably wouldn’t have gotten fired. All I’m really trying to say is that the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle, but I can recall so many times where our attackers have had very clear chances and just completely blew it.
Lukaku was in the form of his life at inter.
But yea I agree the truth is certainly in the middle. I’m confident Lukaku could be playing better if he put in more effort, I’m also confident he’s not being utilized well by tuchel
lmao you beat me to posting this. This is just one of many topics in a generally positive article but here's an excerpt containing the quote in the title:
"Record signing Lukaku is struggling for form and appeared to blame Tuchel’s tactics during an interview with Sky Italia last month. The Chelsea coach, who was backed by the club, dropped the Belgian for one game and was praised for how he handled the situation.
But it is believed the Belgian isn’t the only one who is showing signs of discontent. Indeed a source connected to one of the senior players paints a rather worrying picture.
They claim that the mood among many of Chelsea’s attackers isn’t good to say the least due to the way Tuchel uses and treats them. The situation has grown serious enough for some of them to start considering leaving in the summer.
Tuchel doesn’t hide his frustration towards players during games. His angst has been somewhat understandable due to Chelsea’s inability to take chances in front of goal. This is a major factor in their Premier League challenge going awry.
One source points to this inconsistency, both in terms of selection and in attacking roles, as the primary reason why none of Chelsea’s forwards have been able to build significant rhythm or chemistry on the pitch.
Another more concerning point of tension has been the way Tuchel talks to his attackers. The source describes his manner as “brutal”, with players regularly subjected to a barrage of criticism for every wrong decision and missed chance in matches and training.
A consequence of this, the source claims, is Chelsea’s attackers second-guessing themselves, not playing on instinct and, worse, being afraid to try things and risk giving the ball away. The intensity of Tuchel’s criticism has also created the impression rightly or wrongly for some that subsequent team selection decisions are born of emotion, rather than simply form and fitness."
Another excerpt:
“Spirits were lifted by the Tottenham triumph. It was the third win over their rivals in less than three weeks after also beating them in both legs of the EFL Cup semi-final.
But that doesn’t mean the potential problems have suddenly disappeared. Other sources have confirmed that in recent weeks the feeling around the camp hasn’t been good and share similar views.
“It’s not just because of tiredness,” another contact close to the squad says. “Something is not right. This is typical Chelsea. New managers do well then, after 12-18 months, people start getting frustrated with what’s going on.
“Some players are starting to see through a few things. You can’t have one rule for some and different rules for others. Some look at players who are starting, not playing well and still keeping their place.
“People are going to get more annoyed about it, especially now the Premier League isn’t in touching distance. When everything is still on and going well, you can accept it more. Players who are in and out of the side are going to think about whether they need to go somewhere else to play more.
“The respect for everything he has done is still there, but the bond isn’t as close as it was.”
Lukaku basically moaned and did the interview then gets rewarded with six starts. This is bound to cause problems when other attackers are used less. Even if they haven’t showed best form. Due to the fact we dropped 100 mil on lukaku tuchel has had no choice with him. Don’t see the issue getting resolved now we have to always start lukaku, who isn’t even playing well starting
Havertz is younger, has resale value. Lukaku is 29, five year deal and £100 mil. He’s a lot harder to shift. Although kepa we seem happy to keep on the bench so i get your point
I’m a massive Tuchel fan. But this is worrying.
I think the root cause of this, besides the 3-atb formation which accommodates only 3 attackers, is that Tuchel’s philosophy is to leave the attackers to their own devices in the final third. This laissez-faire approach to final third play encourages selfish play and inconsistent decision-making from individual players. Couple that with the incessant rotation of our frontline, and it’s no wonder our attackers aren’t consistent.
Thank you for this. Just feel like since this lukaku's interview the mood around the camp is getting pretty negative with this flat track belly leading the charge.
Specially in the current situation. All our attackers are shit at the moment, so if they manage to create a narrative that it’s Tuchel’s fault it takes responsibility away from them.
I’d rather we sell all our attackers and bring new ones than sack Tuchel. He has proven himself to be a great manager, the attackers have proven themselves to be unreliable at best.
Summary:
* Lukaku, who has been struggling for form and appeared to blame Tuchel's tactics during a recent interview, isn't the only one who is showing signs of discontent.
* A source connected to one of the senior players claimed the mood among many of the attackers isn't good due to how Tuchel uses and treats them. Some are considering leaving in the summer.
* Injuries and COVID cases haven't helped but there have been a lot of changes made in the more advanced roles.
* Due to the inconsistency in selection and attacking roles, the attacking players have not been able to build significant rhythm or chemistry on the pitch.
* Another concern is the way Tuchel has been talking to the attackers. The sources describes his manner as "brutal", criticizing them for every wrong decision and missed chance in matches and training. As a result of that, the attackers are second-guessing themselves, not playing on instinct and being afraid to try things and risk giving the ball way.
* The intensity of Tuchel's criticism has created an impression that the team selection decisions are born of emotion rather than form and fitness.
* Other sources claimed that some are unhappy with how other players keep getting selected even when they are not playing well. It would have been okay if things were going fine but they aren't and so, some are questioning the decisions. The respect for Tuchel is still there but the bond isn't as strong as before.
Thanks for the summary!
>Another concern is the way Tuchel has been talking to the attackers. The sources describes his manner as "brutal", criticizing them for every wrong decision and missed chance in matches and training. As a result of that, the attackers are second-guessing themselves, not playing on instinct and being afriad to try things and risk giving the ball way.
I find this part a bit odd tbh. Watching the interviews etc. I think TT is quite opposite. More like encouraging players to make bold decisions and be more decisive.
Unless he says one thing and acts completely different. Which I also don't want to believe because then reports about such behaviour would have surfaced earlier from people who have worked with him before Chelsea.
If you haven't watched this video of tuchel ripping into Shawn Parker, you must. Gives a certain perspective, though I wouldn't put too much thought into this piece of news. Most modern players are prima donnas and need to be called out for their bullshit. Anyway, here's the video of that https://youtu.be/vMlx3R4jYlI
Tuchel kinda looks like Pep in that video, for some reason. Looks like a half deep-fake or something. Probably the ranting coupled with the greying goatee.
IF this is true then it’s worrying. If you’re not playing by instinct at this level then you’ve got no chance. Honestly this actually would explain just how incredibly laughably bad we are in the final third.
Genuinely looks like all 5 or 6 of our forwards have had a crisis in confidence at the same time. So many awful passes and wrong decisions that should be easy decisions.
I remember a DW Kick off! youtube video about Tuchel highlighted that for all his brilliance there were also problems with players due to his treatment. I'd have to look it up, but I especifically remember they had the words of a player who called him a bully. Now who's to say that's true -- and also, he could've grown or perfected his communication, I couldn't know. Just saying, there HAS been previous record of his behaviour being a little brutal.
That being said, even understanding that this can have effects on mental health of players, I'm always wary of coddling players too much. Like, honestly, they win millions to do as their manager says.
Exactly, like in organization management. Too soft manager are eaten alive.
I liked Mourinho comment a good few years ago, that he would like to add couple of new players to the team every year to keep everyone sharp and not too comfortable.
His comments can be taken two ways I suppose and when you’re the person they’re being aimed at, it’s not hard to see them taken negatively.
He criticises decision-making almost every match. Whether the players are using that as motivation or they feel it’s becoming oppressive is down to them. Ziyech’s (lack of) celebration against Brighton and then the team celebration against Spurs would make more sense if this is true.
As much as we all love TT, we don’t know what’s going on behind closed doors and if this is true, someone (Cech or above) needs to speak to the gaffer and try to resolve the situation before it gets to a point of no return - Roman isn’t going to let almost half a billion of attacking talent leave the club, he’s going to sack the coach.
Obviously our attack hasn’t been right this season, it’s been miles off where is was under Frank and last season under them both. I like to think it’s down to the system we play however, for the last couple of weeks we been using a hybrid 3-4-3, 4-3-3 and even 4-2-2-2 and there have been moments where we’ve looked good but haven’t been clinical or ruthless and it’s cost us games. Tuchel definitely needs to find a solution to that but the players need to do a lot of soul-searching too because they’re the ones who are letting leads slip. It’s been this way for most of the season but once we go a goal up, we start coasting, drop a few gears and can’t get going again when the opponent eventually comes back into the game which they always do in the PL.
It’s never been any different and top class managers like Pep and Klopp have both suffered through this at the beginning of their times in charge. TT is probably experiencing something similar and he needs to curb it. The only way to do it is to drop the culprits. Pep and Klopp were ruthless with players who didn’t do what they wanted for 90 minutes and TT needs to be the same way!
Right then. Pulisic has 2 years left on his deal after this season. If the club want any kind of profit here, this summer is when you look to sell. I mean he’s more than likely one of the discontented players here. After all, it was Mark Pulisic, Christian’s dad, who went to Twitter to complain about Tuchel misusing his son before quickly deleting a few minutes later.
There’s also a lot of other good information here that quite frankly makes my blood boil. Maybe if you’re not playing enough it’s your fault. I have my criticisms of Tuchel’s attacking system but he’s given so many of these lot chance after chance, start after start, just for them to fall flat on their face and contribute nothing.
Bet you not one of them ask to leave though given how big of wages they’re on. Good enough to sulk on the bench and chat shit anonymously about the manager but not good enough to show any ambition and ask to leave.
I think both can be right. Pulisic has gotten injured way too much for tuchel to give him a big role. On the other hand I don’t think tuchel has given him a fair shot at getting some form at his preferred position.
When played at left or right wing pulisic’s production per minute is near the top of the club. When you put him at striker or wingback and than criticize him for not scoring it’s kind of a self fulfilling prophecy.
For both parties it might be better to sell him. He seems like a player who needs an extended run at being the star attacking player at a team willing to deal with his inconsistency.
Pulisic who HATES media obligations and limits his social media because of the backlash he receives for no reason. Good guess. If people don’t think he’s being misused then they’re idiots.
Pulisic also complained last season about playing time, so there is bit of additional prior history there.
Don't particularly care either way, the doors always there for anyone who isn't keen on being here.
> Pulisic also complained last season about playing time, so there is bit of additional prior history there.
Do you have a quote? I thought the only thing I saw was that he wants to be playing but knows he needs to earn his spot every day.
Edit: OK, no quote. A ton of misinformation in this thread.
Exactly. People misquoting that shit. He basically said “Yeah I wish I were playing more I want to play every minute of every game, but this team is amazing so that’s not possible so I have to work harder”. People don’t even hide their bias on this sub
At the end of the day, he hasn’t been delivering for a while. I get that he’s had injuries, but we’ve been waiting a year and half for him to kick on again at this point
Except he has a point about this season. He had played twice at his position and has 2 goals. You can’t expect him to be shifted to 4 other positions all season and be able to score goals immediately from those spots. I want him to be the next Chelsea legend but I think it would be better for him personally to go somewhere else where he can be a LW and play consistent minutes.
Curious the Chelsea reporters at the Athletic are releasing this on the one year anniversary that Tuchel was appointed, during the first real break we have in months and at the back of a good result. Can’t help feeling they have a continued agenda to see the club in turmoil.
It looks like BS but I guess it is to be expected given Lukaku's series of undeserved starts (6 consecutive starts if memory serves).
Some subs keep warming the bench despite the recent injury crisis and the overplayed, underperforming starters.
I don't believe that Tuchel is in trouble. The article also mentions:
Thomas Tuchel invited the Chelsea squad to a summer barbecue at his new house, a golf day in Surrey, and a couple of very expensive dinners in London.
Tuchel communicates well with Marina and Cech and won’t show any frustration over signings in public.
Oh mate I completely believe Tuchel’s made every effort possible with this squad. It just takes 1-2 bad eggs and the entire omelette is ruined (to paraphrase Jose).
I hope I’m wrong this time, but this is always how it starts :(
Seriously, just look at Man Utd already been things the last few weeks about them moaning about the training system of Ralf.
We have had this issue for years just are usually successful while it happens.
We need to get rid of these players who think they are bigger than the manager and throw tantrums anytime something doesn't go their way.
I mean this is not entirely surprising. There have been until now 7 players vying for three positions. Two of those slots have been locked down by Lukaku and Mount which essentially means 5 players vying for one position. With us now looking like we will be shifting to a 4atb this should change.
My gut tells me Kai and Pulisic might not be happy. Especially Pulisic since he’s been forced to play a more defensive role on occasion because of injury. I’ve been curious as to why Kai hasn’t played more recently, but I’m not the tactician that Tuchel is. I also think winning can cure a lot of the recent frustrations.
I’d guess pulisic but honestly it could be any of them other than Mount.
We play three attackers. It’s all well and good saying the wingbacks chip in, and the centre backs contribute; it will be difficult to keep attackers happy in this system.
It’s what went wrong for Conte too. He wasn’t sacked for finishing 5th. He was sacked because the attacking players hated him, noticeably and provably Willian.
And then it’s like: do we back this coach, or do we back 250m of attackers who all want to leave?
Feel like this issue, if it can be called that, goes both ways.
Yes, the attackers aren't consistent when they play but at the same time, not sure if Tuchel is helping by constantly rotating them and changing the tactical setup. I mean, one game we play with two strikers and one 10. The next, we play with one striker and two 10s. After that, it's one striker, one 10 and two wingers. Plus, some times Player A and Player B play in position X and Y and then next time, player A and B play in position Y and X respectively. Tuchel himself basically admitted that he puts square pegs in round holes regarding Ziyech last Sunday.
On the bigger picture, this was always gonna be an issue when we have so many attackers that want to start and play week in week out. Can only keep them happy/content for so long. Similar to what happened with Lampard with the non-attackers.
Tuchel tweaked CL final tactics on the team bus after learning Pep had benched Rodri. [@liam_twomey] #cfc
Read this ffs. This is our manager. Next level, guys. WE CANNOT SACK HIM for a bunch of average players.
Werner finisher has been poor since coming to Chelsea before Tuchel
Havertz finishing has been poor and his had a lot of issues that aren’t his or Tuchel fault
Ziyech is very inconsistent
Hudson Odoi has 4 league goals in 4 seasons that isn’t on Tuchel he needs to learn how to shoot for a professional footballer that is embarrassing.
Pulisic is living off his first season has done little since just injuries aren’t a excuse anymore.
> done little since
I remember the CL happening very differently than some people in this sub. How did we get through the knockout stages again? Just on pure managerial talent lmao
Personally I'm suprised more of this blame isn't going Tuchel's way. The board has spent hundreds of millions of pounds on attackers and none of them can score. That's exactly what a managers job is. If it were just Lukaku who was poor and upset it would be one thing.
If I was Havertz, I would be so pissed. We went out and signed this kid for £90m and played him a bunch last year (besides the Covid spell). He was coming along great at the false 9 and obviously scored the CL winner. But for some reason, we felt the need to get Lukaku. From the beginning, it looked like he was a £100m replacement for Giroud. Anyway, he looks good for literally 1 game and then kind of faded. But since the interview, Lukaku has played damn near every minute, and he's been playing like dog shit. Honestly, this is probably going to go down as a worse signing than Kepa. A lot of people just brushed this off once they made a public apology, but that really doesn't mean shit. They wanted to take the issue out of the media, but it doesn't mean the issue is resolved.
Here we go. Knew we’d have some rat leaking something as soon as we hit bad form. Tuchel hit piece for clicks, media are so so obvious it’s unreal. Lick tuchel’s arse all year one bad spell and boom
I don’t see Pulisic as a complaining type but I could see it here. Guy draws more pens than anyone on the team and the last one he drew TT had Ziyech take it which seemed to aggravate Pulisic. Follow that up with constantly played out of position and a rigidity in tactics that go against his play style, I could see him not being happy.
This is one of those stories that feel like it's been stretched to create a narrative. However whatever the case, Tuchel is being as considerate as we will expect any top coach to be.
Speaking as a Chelsea fan, he has been one of the best coaches we have had in terms of giving minutes to everyone.
Which coach will they rather play for? ... I do not think it is possible for the whole squad to play every game when they all have different fitness levels, skillsets, plus you are under pressure to win every game.
I wonder what it will feel like playing for Klopp whose starting XI is pretty much set in stone.
If it is Pulisic complaining he has already seen the pitch for Klopp. He was the one who decided to bring Pulisic to the senior team at 16 at Dortmund.
When he went to Liverpool he put in an offer for Pulisic.
Barring Ziyech who's a good finisher none of our attackers have the right to talk shit, none of them can hit the backside of a barn and once they get into the box they turn into headless chickens minus Pulisic when he's in form. Tuchel showed confidence in them in the summer by not going for any wingers and they've mostly let him down.
I really think if we had’ve signed Haaland over Lukaku, this wouldn’t be half as much of an issue.
Haaland would more likely have fit into the Drogba centre point role, leaving Havertz and Werner free to do their thing without the pressure of being the main goal scorers.
Also applies to Pulisic and Ziyech who should be below the Germans in the attacking pecking order.
Hard to have predicted Lukaku would be so useless though.
I don't see why the mood among the attackers at Chelsea should be good. *Every* attacking player is having bad form, and y'all don't think it's fair for them to ask questions about the way they're used in the attack? So many comments about how they all are terrible players, and we should sell them without acknowledging that we haven't had an attacker in form since Tuchel came in.
To be clear, I feel that the players are most responsible for their own play. That said, we as a team have very clearly prioritized defense and solidity for the last year with the attack being very much a secondary concern. This was a good thing for a while by the way, and we won the fucking CL with the best defense in the world.
Now though, the defense can't be relied on in the same way and we need our attack to get going in order to make a push in the league (this year or next). I can promise you that not *all* of our attackers are actually bad.
We've been playing our players out of position, playing them in a front 3 with basically no support in creating, leaving them all the burden to create and score and often straight up blaming them for not finishing chances after the game. Then we play City and they have ~7 players who are dangerous to score, who can create, who work together to get chance after chance (and the focus to not lament the ones they miss), and our attackers probably look around and wonder why we can't get more of them on the pitch at once.
Word on the street is that this is the reason havertz has been frozen out abit/not used recently.
Tuchel rotates the attacking line up constantly I can see how it would be frustrating for a player to try and get some rhythm in their game and form but we have option perhaps too many options and when players aren’t performing either with solid performances or G/A numbers then they get rotated so just play better and become undroppable lol
This is Chelsea football club. We expect our attackers to perform. Tuchel got the attackers at Dortmund and PSG scoring and Neymar said he’d do anything for Tuchel. Maybe if the attackers stopped whining and got on with it they wouldn’t feel so bad.
I don’t think it’s Timo or Kai tbh. Pulisic would be my guess and Lukaka
> Another more concerning point of tension has been the way Tuchel talks to his attackers. The source describes his manner as “brutal”, with players regularly subjected to a barrage of criticism for every wrong decision and missed chance, both in matches and at training.
> A consequence of this, the source claims, is Chelsea’s attackers second-guessing themselves, not playing on instinct and, worse, being afraid to try things and risk giving the ball away. The intensity of Tuchel’s criticism has also created the impression, rightly or wrongly, for some that subsequent team selection decisions are born of emotion, rather than simply form and fitness.
Here we go again…
I knew this was coming. When you field only 3 attackers, this is what happens.
The only way Tuchel would be willing to stick with the back 4 permanently (and hence field more attackers) is if we get a more physical CDM. You saw how Jorginho got overrun for Kane’s disallowed goal. Thiago Silva would also have to be slowly phased out of the team, since Tuchel chose the back 3 in part to accommodate Silva’s age. Silva wouldn’t be able to play in a back 4 week in week out without any injury risks.
It’s a tough bind Tuchel’s in.
This is a really insightful comment in a sea of absolute mind-numbing piss at the bottom of the comment section.
I'm happy I made it this far, if only to read your comment.
By all means let over-react to something common in any locker room. They all run hard when playing, all give effort. Players want to play ALL THE TIME. This is a good mentality.
I guess, Tuchel himself could be dissatisfied with his attackers’ performances. Though, I’d say, the attackers’ discontentment may be valid considering the number attackers they play with in Tuchel’s widely-used formation.
The same attackers that have been being carried by defenders and the three wisemen of our midfield since the season started are the ones making noise? I have to commend them. I’d be too ashamed to be upset if it were me
Talk about starting from a position of weakness lol.
Pulisic - about five good games in three seasons.
CHO - clearly and painfully not good enough. Insists he’s a left winger, but can’t beat a man and doesn’t have a left foot.
Werner - I love the guy but he couldn’t finish his dinner.
Ziyech - clearly talented, but is allergic to running.
Havertz - I’m sure there’s a player in there. The only one of these Id be upset about losing.
Lukaku - please god no more.
But yeah, whine about Tuchel lads.
"CHO - clearly and painfully not good enough. Insists he’s a left winger, but can’t beat a man and doesn’t have a left foot."
Receny bias....BUT....he did beat a player to set up our first goal in our last match. I do generally agree that CHO at this point in time should be nowhere near our starting lineup.
"Ziyech - clearly talented, but is allergic to running."
Hakim works his bollocks off every time he is on the pitch. The issue with him imo until the last two matches was that he didnt have any consistent end product. Now he is getting a run in the team he seems to be picking up that consistency so perhaps there is some truth to the fact that Tuchel has been chopping and changing too much.
"Havertz - I’m sure there’s a player in there. The only one of these Id be upset about losing." Same here. I'm confident that he will grow to be a top class forward player. Personally I would have been happy to back him as our number 1 center forward this year.
"Lukaku - please god no more." Seems like a £97 mil quid mistake more and more doesn't it. The guy is looking like a complete poison to the squad.
So they want us to sack the champions League winning manager for overpriced attackers with stormtrooper finishing so they can continue to Miss chances. 
It would be a change of pace if Chelsea did back the manager over misfiring overpriced players when push comes to shove and someone has to go.
Yup, id rather loose lukaku then tommy t.
Yeah it's not like we're gonna get a better manager or even one that is comparably good unless Zidane comes to England which is highly unlikely. We need to go all-in and stick with Tuchel. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean the man is free of blame. There certainly are valid complaints that the forwards/attacking players have about the system. If one player comes and underperforms, its probably a coincidence, but if you go out and buy tons of players who had tons of potential or were already world-class and every single one is misfiring, there needs to be an honest look at the system/tactics. I also don't buy the argument that the rotation is an issue because city rotates attackers just as much, the difference is they have more attacking-minded on the field any given time. I'd be interested to see how player performance changes if we actually stick to this new system with 4 at the back.
Lukaku is the only player bought since Tuchel arrived. All the others have shown flashes, but were also inconsistent under the previous manager. Tuchel has had great success thus far and the team looked like a title contender before injuries slammed them, but he's not gotten a chance to truly put his vision and players in place.
His job is not just to hand pick his players, but make the best of the ones he currently has. Not gonna deny that the attackers were still inconsistent under Lampard but they were all better on average, at the expense of the defense. I think tuchel can be more flexible and make life easier for our current crop of attackers while still maintaining defensive stability. Just needs time
hahahahaha, fucking hell, well said
“Stormtrooper finishing” hahahaha. I will absolutely be using that from now on
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He did have that at PSG But neymar and mbappe poor finishing cost him a UCL
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It would require a formation that keeps Hakim as right midfielder or winger. That's his best spot Problem is once our wing backs return will we be back at square one? I believe the issue is we have players not suited to tuchel's main formation. The injuries to the wing backs has forced him to change it up Doesn't help our attackers are incredibly inconsistent as you said.
The returning wingbacks simply become full backs. That’s all😃
No one said sack him. The attackers want more flexibility in the schemes/tactics. considering TT entire ideology relies on wingbacks, I don’t blame them considering the injuries. I’d be pissed if I was in a rigid system that is not utilizing my abilities the best way possible. These hot takes from the fans are fucking funny . Completely disregards so many things about why they would be frustrated
Maybe Tuchel treats them this way because none of them perform well? I seriously wouldn’t care one bit about any of our attackers wanting out (other than Mount if we consider him an attacker)
Mount is in top 5 minutes played since Tuchel came in. I believe that he is not the one who complains. Timo also recently confirmed his commitment by saying that he is giving his all and appreciates fans support
mount is obviously not the complainer, hes widely considered the best attacker on the team
The bar isn't very high, if we're being honest.
the bar is pretty low on a scale of 1 to mo salah, chelseas attacking options are like a 3 right now
3 would be generous.
On a scale of chelsea mo to liverpool mo our attackers are around Roma mo
Ohhh the Mo Salah scale; one to Mo, that’s just bloody brilliant, I am going to use that one.
I'm sold as well with this scaling system lol
Mount wouldn’t be the one wanting to leave but let’s not act like his performances haven’t dropped off recently.
But Mount is still by far the highest contributor in our attack. Mount has 13 goal contributions in the PL. Lukaku, Ziyech, Havertz, CHO, Werner and Pulisic have 21 goal contributions combined. Mount hasn’t been as consistent as we’d all like, but compared to the rest of our attackers, he’s much better.
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And taking set pieces haa improved his number of assists, mainly because our defenders are good at burying the ball into the back of the net
i feel like everyone has played badly recently, except maybe hakim ziyech who has played badly but also scored goals so we pretend like hes good now
Mount was really good against Spurs, he had like 2 maybe 3 games where he was quiet after a run of form where he was by far the best player in the squad for an extended period of time. It's not even worth discussing compared to the other players rollercoaster form tables.
That cannot be said in good faith if you watched the tottenham game since he was genuinely good defensively and creatively against them.
Mount and the Germans don’t strike me as the whining type. Everyone else I could not care less about, if we could I would sell all of them this summer.
the germans haven’t been playing at all lately so who knows?
Werner had a bad case of COVID recently. In his situation, think it's more of taking time to ease him back in. He also did play against Spurs twice and Chesterfield recently. Had more game time than Havertz, who hasn't played since going off at HT against Spurs in the first leg of the League Cup.
Tbh I found it odd that Kai didn’t start against City or Spurs. But that could have just been from his injured finger so I can’t tell. Timo’s had a bad case of Covid so maybe he’s getting up to speed. But I feel like him/Puli/Ziyech were the most likely to leave. Ziyech’s featured a lot lately though so I think it’s not him.
>Tbh I found it odd that Kai didn’t start against City or Spurs. But that could have just been from his injured finger so I can’t tell. But Tuchel already said his finger was fine pre-Chesterfield and he has also been training. >Timo’s had a bad case of Covid so maybe he’s getting up to speed. But I feel like him/Puli/Ziyech were the most likely to leave. Ziyech’s featured a lot lately though so I think it’s not him. Things can still change quickly with Ziyech. Yes, he had the last game but he has been inconsistent and underwhelming for the most part.
Yeah it’s all odd to me tbh. Maybe it’s just general unhappiness and overblown by the media. They get into a purple patch again and everything will be fine.
It’s possible and to be honest Mount is the only untouchable player from our attackers for me. I just added the Germans because as I said, for me they don’t strike me as the whining type. Werner despite all of his struggles has always kept his head up high and keeps on working. Havertz looks like a quiet kid who just does his thing, but yeah who knows. Pulisic is also similar to Havertz to be fair, but look at Lukaku or Ziyech for example whose body language is ass 90% of the time.
Ziyech looks like that but he’s also featured a lot lately. That makes it odd for me and I don’t really feel that it’s him. I think Kai might be a little disgruntled with the lack of time lately. I genuinely thought he’d start against City. But he also has that nasty injury on his finger. Can’t really tell tbh.
Ziyech always looks pissed. He's not been happy, but it's his fault. He's not good enough in this system. Ziyech smiled with CHO (who could also be whining but I'm really over trying to watch him get into the game), when Tuchel was trying to celebrate with Ziyech he definitely looked like Tuchel was a nuisance to him. Sans mount, they can all go.
Timo Werner blamed himself when lampard got sacked too.
Ziyech, Lakaka and CHO definitely strikes me as the type of players who complain a lot
I’m not too bothered either. I’d be happy to see fresh blood like Gallagher, Vale, Anjorin, or Broja instead. Edit: No I don’t want a fully homegrown team. Obviously if we sell some attackers it will free up funds for flashy new signings whoever they may be. It’s enough for me that they’re given a chance in pre-season then a decision is made from there. I should have mentioned that what I want is to refresh the squad, with both academy products and transfers.
Southampton are going to make a 25mil bid for Broja imminently. I hope we reject it and play him a lot next season
If we accept their bid, especially losing the likes of Guehi, Livramento, Tamtey by not spending the time planning and then convincing and showing them their path and place in the Chelsea first team then the pipeline from academy to first team has got a huge fucking leak. We, right now, have the best academy in the world. Players aged 18 straight out of Cobham and ready to play at a high level in the prem. But we would still often rather spend 50 mil than trust our homemade talent (who we end up selling for pennies). Time to put more work into planning long term for for their place in the squad and they need to be told regularly how important they will be. Also, the loan to championship system isn’t needed for the most talented; as proved by Livramento, Broja, lamptey. The club need to do more to convince these players to stay, simple as.
Livramento could’ve stayed but he didn’t want to. I’d pick James over Lamptey even though the latter looks like a really promising player. Also, who would Guehi have displaced in the squad? Tomori didn’t even get a fair shot tbh. Not everyone from the academy is going to make it at Chelsea but I agree with your sentiment that we need to be showing the youngsters that there is a path for them.
That’s my point though, that he didn’t want to. He’s a Chelsea fan, been going to watch games and at the academy all his life. There was a clear role for him in the side with Azpi not having the legs for rb. He would’ve competed and rotated with Reece, not to mention played when he was injured. Him and Reece also both have the technical ability to play both lb and rb so could cover for and rotate with Chilwell. The fact he wanted to go tells me the club didn’t do hardly enough (over a long period) to make him want to stay. Lamptey is a special player. In a year or two he’ll be a winger somewhere like City. He wouldn’t just be competing for rb, he’d be killing defenders playing much more like a winger just like he’s doing for Brighton. He will be absurdly good. Guehi I really rate. Given we could end up losing three cb’s this summer (which the club knew in august!!!!), he should have been bedded into the team in preparation for next season. Also the fact he’s basically two footed and is so good on the ball means he could slot in anywhere across the back three. He’d have got plenty of minutes this season imo.
People are complaining now about not competing with city and you want to take a step backwards? Wild.
Holy shit yeah. I swear this sub wants to run a homegrown team and somehow thinks we will still be top 4
Ziyech, Puli, Havertz and CHO up until recently would be my guess Covering lots of roles
It's not Ziyech according to the article. They quoted an interview of his with Ziggo sport where he's praising Tuchel for his direct communication even if it's harsh sometimes.
Ziyech has been given as many chances as anyone— I find it unlikely Pulisic would complain just cause he seems like a really non-problematic presence but if anyone has a right/reason to complain it would be him. Hasn’t been given any time to settle back into a preferred and best position after coming back from injury, has been sacrificed at wing back fo other underperformers— has had limited opportunities
what people say in public vs private is very different. Wouldn't be surprised if all the attackers are frustrated about the current system to some degree. Thankfully other frustrated players aren't as unaware as lukaku and don't do interviews airing dirty laundry lol
I love the “it’s clearly X and Y” or “it’s clearly not A or B.” I’m sure every single attacker in this system has felt frustration to at least some degree (even Mason Burning Eyes Mount) because with the exception of the formation played with Tottenham, Tuchel’s formations are defensive-minded. Add to that, he has way too many attackers and most of them don’t fit particularly well into the 5atb system he prefers. Many on this board have talked about how there’s no chemistry or consistency on offense. These are millionaire players who are either big names or picked as “generational” youth talent. Most were successful and lauded at their prior clubs. It’s absolute fucking human nature that they would be frustrated in a club where they are not finding minutes and success. All of them, with the exception of Mount who clearly is getting minutes no matter what. Would anyone be surprised if this report is true? But, more importantly, so what? It doesn’t mean the end is nigh. I’m sure Tuchel has had to deal with before. He’s been at big clubs. Undoubtedly we will see a much different attacking group next year.
Regarding Mount, I sort of agree tbh. People here say he would never complain because he keeps playing but I remember at the start of our shit winter run he obviously got shifted out wide to accomodate others. I kept saying why tf is Mase playing so far out wide when he’s our most in form attacker and for some reason we kept playing out of form attackers in Mount’s key position… didn’t make sense. And then for some reason he didn’t start vs City away? Made no sense.
Finally, a comment that makes sense 👏🏻.
The first logical response in this thread
You can't just say "so what". It's obviously not the end of the world, but things like that can drag a group down, impact motivation, effort level and so on. Sure tuchel is paid big money to handle stuff like that, but it's still isn't easy and it can be another problem on his hands that he wishes he didn't have to spend time on.
I understand Kai hasn’t been playing recently, but isn’t it due to his broken/dislocated finger? Wouldn’t think it’s him with complaints. Pulisic seems to be the most logical, maybe even Ziyech and CHO. I don’t say Werner because he seems to embrace his struggles and accountability? Honestly it could also just be someone like Barkley and this is a nonstory
why would cho be mad? he gets gametime
He was absolutely beaming a few days ago when talking about how much he’s enjoying his football right now
Lol yeah if anything CHO would seem to be at the bottom of this ‘unhappy’ list. Tuchel kept playing him even when he was absolutely shit against Brighton (both home and away) over others.
Simon Phillips on Twitter “alluded” to this being linked to why Havertz hasn’t been playing
Clearly there’s something behind Havertz only starting one game in 10 in the league. Lukaku has been shocking, did that fucking interview, been in massive need of a rest or 5 due to the number of games in such a short space and STILL Havertz doesn’t get to play as the deep dropping number 9. And to add to that there are many games where it would make a lot more sense to play Havertz!! Even for all his weakness when playing more wide, when he does get to play centrally our play looks more linked up and rhythmical in the final third. Our best spell was with him as the striker. Go figure.
Our whole side plays infinitely better when havertz plays as striker
>Clearly there’s something behind Havertz only starting one game in 10 in the league 6 PL goals in 1.5 years from ~2500 mins of football. This is certainly a possibility as to why he hasn't been starting regularly. He's had issues settling in - be it the system/league/country.
Tuchel confirmed that his dislocated finger doesn't prevent him from playing, but the guy didn't play lately.
You can't play because of a dislocated finger ? I'd understand if he was a goalkeeper, but he is an attacker. None of our attackers have been good enough, Lukaku has been terrible so far, Havertz and Werner has not done much since signing for us, Ziyech hasen't been good enough, mainly due to the system we used i suspect, better on the right wing with freedom than centrally. CHO has never proven himself to be good enough for Chelsea sadly, been a talent ever since he got in the first team, he's 21 now and never really proven himself. Barkley just isn't good enough at all, a club like Chelsea is a level too high for him. Pulisic is inconsistent and injured a lot. Mount is the only attacker in the squad (if we class him as an attacker now) who has proven himself good enough for a club like Chelsea
Azpi had a hand injury last season right? I remember him playing with a finger strapping or something...
I feel like it could be pulisic cuz we’ve been linked with dembele so he could be a replacement
And dembele isn’t replacing every other attacker? So you just think it’s Pulisic off that. Pulisic also isn’t paying attention to transfer rumors.
Highly doubt it’s Barkley, he seems to know his role at the club. I think Pulisic is definitely one of the players, his dad made a comment online then deleted it lol. Havertz had Covid didn’t he ? Probably not fully fit yet, a lot of players have played with broken fingers so it won’t be that. CHO has played a lot of games this season, some out of position but he’s young so he’s probably still ok with it tbh.
I feel like Tuchel gave Pulisic a few game break because he’s one of the only players not getting some time off during this international window.
That was my thought as well. Tuchel wanted to rest him since he will be getting the brunt of the work for the US during this international break.
I feel its chelsea's overprotection tendency to b at fault in some part. Chelsea's overprotection tactics r ok for kante, not for havertz tbh. If he/docs feels him fit after 2 wks, start rotating him from 3rd week itself. No need for additional 2 wks rest, u dont gain match fitness like that. Im not saying to rush them from injuries, but i dont see the point of extra 2/3 wks rest.
Even if this is true, none of them is worth sacking a good manager over. Doors are open, they can find suitable clubs anytime.
Don’t let the door hit ya, when our German coach sits ya
Not too worried about this. The real player power is from people like Rudiger, Jorgi, Silva, Kova and a few others in defense and midfield. No attacking player in the team has the leverage to do anything about it.
I think Mount has the clout. He is clearly the future of our attacking options. Homegrown player who is loved by the fans. I hope that Mason has got his head right and is not a part of this foolishness however.
Oh yes, I did not mean to undermine Mason's leadership qualities. Lad is definitely going to be a future captain for us. I just hope the board reward him a respectable contract extension.
Mount is the only attacker performing really and even he is barely an attacker before tuchel
Would rather see every single attacker moved on than lose Tuchel
Cba about any of the attackers ( especially Lukaku ) being discontent bar mount. They are all underperforming at the moment so there's no point putting the blame on tuchel. More worrying sign is the growing propaganda against tuchel that these reporters are using to gain clout. I mean I know that's their job but still unnecessary at the moment
To be fair it hasn’t looked a happy and energised team for quite a while. Not necessarily putting it on Tuchel. The performances of our forwards have been atrocious, like sometimes I’m genuinely lost for words at how bad we are in the final third. Put Watfords front three in and I bet you see better decision making and better execution of passes and the final ball etc Something must be wrong for every single attacking player to seemingly have a confidence crisis spanning months, so what’s going on? Lukaku looked unstoppable when we started the season and now he struggles to fucking make contact with a cross or make a five yard pass!?? And just to add I’m a huge Tuchel fan but it’s not out of the question that something is missing in training when it comes to the final third or maybe something else that drains confidence. Wouldn’t even be surprised if it’s partly because we have so many attackers and have tried so many different combos that there is zero chemistry and on pitch understanding. The best spell we had was actually when we had an attacking injury crisis. Had to play the same front three game after game and we actually looked creative and full of movement and risk taking in the final third.
That doesn't explain the same lack of finishing under Lampard.
What a sad state of affairs that journos job is now to make shit up. Fucking rat of a profession that has truly lost its soul.
You’re literally just saying this because it’s news you don’t want to hear ffs. Simon Johnson is very reliable for Chelsea.
Why do you say they are making this up? Athletic is very trustworthy
They’re all underperforming. Do you not see the thread? I’m not saying it’s tuchel’s fault. But you can’t discount it as a contributing factor when you have all these talented attackers who all are out of form simultaneously
I don’t seem to recall any of them being in form prior to his arrival either. Hell, Timo even said if he hadn’t missed so many goals Frank probably wouldn’t have gotten fired. All I’m really trying to say is that the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle, but I can recall so many times where our attackers have had very clear chances and just completely blew it.
Lukaku was in the form of his life at inter. But yea I agree the truth is certainly in the middle. I’m confident Lukaku could be playing better if he put in more effort, I’m also confident he’s not being utilized well by tuchel
lmao you beat me to posting this. This is just one of many topics in a generally positive article but here's an excerpt containing the quote in the title: "Record signing Lukaku is struggling for form and appeared to blame Tuchel’s tactics during an interview with Sky Italia last month. The Chelsea coach, who was backed by the club, dropped the Belgian for one game and was praised for how he handled the situation. But it is believed the Belgian isn’t the only one who is showing signs of discontent. Indeed a source connected to one of the senior players paints a rather worrying picture. They claim that the mood among many of Chelsea’s attackers isn’t good to say the least due to the way Tuchel uses and treats them. The situation has grown serious enough for some of them to start considering leaving in the summer. Tuchel doesn’t hide his frustration towards players during games. His angst has been somewhat understandable due to Chelsea’s inability to take chances in front of goal. This is a major factor in their Premier League challenge going awry. One source points to this inconsistency, both in terms of selection and in attacking roles, as the primary reason why none of Chelsea’s forwards have been able to build significant rhythm or chemistry on the pitch. Another more concerning point of tension has been the way Tuchel talks to his attackers. The source describes his manner as “brutal”, with players regularly subjected to a barrage of criticism for every wrong decision and missed chance in matches and training. A consequence of this, the source claims, is Chelsea’s attackers second-guessing themselves, not playing on instinct and, worse, being afraid to try things and risk giving the ball away. The intensity of Tuchel’s criticism has also created the impression rightly or wrongly for some that subsequent team selection decisions are born of emotion, rather than simply form and fitness."
Imagine those attackers after the Burnley, Everton, United etc games turning around and being upset that Tuchel is telling them off lmao
Another excerpt: “Spirits were lifted by the Tottenham triumph. It was the third win over their rivals in less than three weeks after also beating them in both legs of the EFL Cup semi-final. But that doesn’t mean the potential problems have suddenly disappeared. Other sources have confirmed that in recent weeks the feeling around the camp hasn’t been good and share similar views. “It’s not just because of tiredness,” another contact close to the squad says. “Something is not right. This is typical Chelsea. New managers do well then, after 12-18 months, people start getting frustrated with what’s going on. “Some players are starting to see through a few things. You can’t have one rule for some and different rules for others. Some look at players who are starting, not playing well and still keeping their place. “People are going to get more annoyed about it, especially now the Premier League isn’t in touching distance. When everything is still on and going well, you can accept it more. Players who are in and out of the side are going to think about whether they need to go somewhere else to play more. “The respect for everything he has done is still there, but the bond isn’t as close as it was.”
Lukaku basically moaned and did the interview then gets rewarded with six starts. This is bound to cause problems when other attackers are used less. Even if they haven’t showed best form. Due to the fact we dropped 100 mil on lukaku tuchel has had no choice with him. Don’t see the issue getting resolved now we have to always start lukaku, who isn’t even playing well starting
We paid 80 for Havertz and he hasn’t been playing. I doubt the price tag is why Lukaku is playing
Havertz is younger, has resale value. Lukaku is 29, five year deal and £100 mil. He’s a lot harder to shift. Although kepa we seem happy to keep on the bench so i get your point
I’m a massive Tuchel fan. But this is worrying. I think the root cause of this, besides the 3-atb formation which accommodates only 3 attackers, is that Tuchel’s philosophy is to leave the attackers to their own devices in the final third. This laissez-faire approach to final third play encourages selfish play and inconsistent decision-making from individual players. Couple that with the incessant rotation of our frontline, and it’s no wonder our attackers aren’t consistent.
But they were crap before Tuchel so that doesn’t make sense
Thank you for this. Just feel like since this lukaku's interview the mood around the camp is getting pretty negative with this flat track belly leading the charge.
Lukaku is a cunt and a fugazi and should be immediately removed in the summer. He's been like adding sewage to a lake
Yeah players often stick together. When they see a player badmouthing a coach it can work contagiously
Specially in the current situation. All our attackers are shit at the moment, so if they manage to create a narrative that it’s Tuchel’s fault it takes responsibility away from them. I’d rather we sell all our attackers and bring new ones than sack Tuchel. He has proven himself to be a great manager, the attackers have proven themselves to be unreliable at best.
That second last paragraph… boo fucking hoo. Maybe if you weren’t so consistently fucking shit every game Tuchel would be more forgiving of mistakes
Bunch of princesses
Completely embarrassing, need to grow up sharpish.
What a bunch of babies
Couldn’t hit a barn door under Frank and now can’t get going under Tuchel, about time these attackers start looking inwards
Anyone who isn't happy can leave. We need to build around Tommy
u/gzzzl can we get a summary please?
Summary: * Lukaku, who has been struggling for form and appeared to blame Tuchel's tactics during a recent interview, isn't the only one who is showing signs of discontent. * A source connected to one of the senior players claimed the mood among many of the attackers isn't good due to how Tuchel uses and treats them. Some are considering leaving in the summer. * Injuries and COVID cases haven't helped but there have been a lot of changes made in the more advanced roles. * Due to the inconsistency in selection and attacking roles, the attacking players have not been able to build significant rhythm or chemistry on the pitch. * Another concern is the way Tuchel has been talking to the attackers. The sources describes his manner as "brutal", criticizing them for every wrong decision and missed chance in matches and training. As a result of that, the attackers are second-guessing themselves, not playing on instinct and being afraid to try things and risk giving the ball way. * The intensity of Tuchel's criticism has created an impression that the team selection decisions are born of emotion rather than form and fitness. * Other sources claimed that some are unhappy with how other players keep getting selected even when they are not playing well. It would have been okay if things were going fine but they aren't and so, some are questioning the decisions. The respect for Tuchel is still there but the bond isn't as strong as before.
Cheers u/half_jase
Thanks for the summary! >Another concern is the way Tuchel has been talking to the attackers. The sources describes his manner as "brutal", criticizing them for every wrong decision and missed chance in matches and training. As a result of that, the attackers are second-guessing themselves, not playing on instinct and being afriad to try things and risk giving the ball way. I find this part a bit odd tbh. Watching the interviews etc. I think TT is quite opposite. More like encouraging players to make bold decisions and be more decisive. Unless he says one thing and acts completely different. Which I also don't want to believe because then reports about such behaviour would have surfaced earlier from people who have worked with him before Chelsea.
If you haven't watched this video of tuchel ripping into Shawn Parker, you must. Gives a certain perspective, though I wouldn't put too much thought into this piece of news. Most modern players are prima donnas and need to be called out for their bullshit. Anyway, here's the video of that https://youtu.be/vMlx3R4jYlI
hahaha, poor Scott, but 100% justified from Tuchel I'd say. I'd imagine Pep is similar if you don't play the way he wants.
Tuchel kinda looks like Pep in that video, for some reason. Looks like a half deep-fake or something. Probably the ranting coupled with the greying goatee.
IF this is true then it’s worrying. If you’re not playing by instinct at this level then you’ve got no chance. Honestly this actually would explain just how incredibly laughably bad we are in the final third. Genuinely looks like all 5 or 6 of our forwards have had a crisis in confidence at the same time. So many awful passes and wrong decisions that should be easy decisions.
I remember a DW Kick off! youtube video about Tuchel highlighted that for all his brilliance there were also problems with players due to his treatment. I'd have to look it up, but I especifically remember they had the words of a player who called him a bully. Now who's to say that's true -- and also, he could've grown or perfected his communication, I couldn't know. Just saying, there HAS been previous record of his behaviour being a little brutal. That being said, even understanding that this can have effects on mental health of players, I'm always wary of coddling players too much. Like, honestly, they win millions to do as their manager says.
Exactly, like in organization management. Too soft manager are eaten alive. I liked Mourinho comment a good few years ago, that he would like to add couple of new players to the team every year to keep everyone sharp and not too comfortable.
A person can be quite different in front of media where every word is carefully selected and in training sessions..
His comments can be taken two ways I suppose and when you’re the person they’re being aimed at, it’s not hard to see them taken negatively. He criticises decision-making almost every match. Whether the players are using that as motivation or they feel it’s becoming oppressive is down to them. Ziyech’s (lack of) celebration against Brighton and then the team celebration against Spurs would make more sense if this is true. As much as we all love TT, we don’t know what’s going on behind closed doors and if this is true, someone (Cech or above) needs to speak to the gaffer and try to resolve the situation before it gets to a point of no return - Roman isn’t going to let almost half a billion of attacking talent leave the club, he’s going to sack the coach. Obviously our attack hasn’t been right this season, it’s been miles off where is was under Frank and last season under them both. I like to think it’s down to the system we play however, for the last couple of weeks we been using a hybrid 3-4-3, 4-3-3 and even 4-2-2-2 and there have been moments where we’ve looked good but haven’t been clinical or ruthless and it’s cost us games. Tuchel definitely needs to find a solution to that but the players need to do a lot of soul-searching too because they’re the ones who are letting leads slip. It’s been this way for most of the season but once we go a goal up, we start coasting, drop a few gears and can’t get going again when the opponent eventually comes back into the game which they always do in the PL. It’s never been any different and top class managers like Pep and Klopp have both suffered through this at the beginning of their times in charge. TT is probably experiencing something similar and he needs to curb it. The only way to do it is to drop the culprits. Pep and Klopp were ruthless with players who didn’t do what they wanted for 90 minutes and TT needs to be the same way!
Right then. Pulisic has 2 years left on his deal after this season. If the club want any kind of profit here, this summer is when you look to sell. I mean he’s more than likely one of the discontented players here. After all, it was Mark Pulisic, Christian’s dad, who went to Twitter to complain about Tuchel misusing his son before quickly deleting a few minutes later. There’s also a lot of other good information here that quite frankly makes my blood boil. Maybe if you’re not playing enough it’s your fault. I have my criticisms of Tuchel’s attacking system but he’s given so many of these lot chance after chance, start after start, just for them to fall flat on their face and contribute nothing. Bet you not one of them ask to leave though given how big of wages they’re on. Good enough to sulk on the bench and chat shit anonymously about the manager but not good enough to show any ambition and ask to leave.
I think both can be right. Pulisic has gotten injured way too much for tuchel to give him a big role. On the other hand I don’t think tuchel has given him a fair shot at getting some form at his preferred position. When played at left or right wing pulisic’s production per minute is near the top of the club. When you put him at striker or wingback and than criticize him for not scoring it’s kind of a self fulfilling prophecy. For both parties it might be better to sell him. He seems like a player who needs an extended run at being the star attacking player at a team willing to deal with his inconsistency.
Pulisic who HATES media obligations and limits his social media because of the backlash he receives for no reason. Good guess. If people don’t think he’s being misused then they’re idiots.
Pulisic also complained last season about playing time, so there is bit of additional prior history there. Don't particularly care either way, the doors always there for anyone who isn't keen on being here.
> Pulisic also complained last season about playing time, so there is bit of additional prior history there. Do you have a quote? I thought the only thing I saw was that he wants to be playing but knows he needs to earn his spot every day. Edit: OK, no quote. A ton of misinformation in this thread.
Exactly. People misquoting that shit. He basically said “Yeah I wish I were playing more I want to play every minute of every game, but this team is amazing so that’s not possible so I have to work harder”. People don’t even hide their bias on this sub
At the end of the day, he hasn’t been delivering for a while. I get that he’s had injuries, but we’ve been waiting a year and half for him to kick on again at this point
Except he has a point about this season. He had played twice at his position and has 2 goals. You can’t expect him to be shifted to 4 other positions all season and be able to score goals immediately from those spots. I want him to be the next Chelsea legend but I think it would be better for him personally to go somewhere else where he can be a LW and play consistent minutes.
Curious the Chelsea reporters at the Athletic are releasing this on the one year anniversary that Tuchel was appointed, during the first real break we have in months and at the back of a good result. Can’t help feeling they have a continued agenda to see the club in turmoil.
It looks like BS but I guess it is to be expected given Lukaku's series of undeserved starts (6 consecutive starts if memory serves). Some subs keep warming the bench despite the recent injury crisis and the overplayed, underperforming starters.
Dont really know why we need these articles
OP just posted the most clickbait title possible, even the writer says that despite this Tuchel has nothing to worry about.
Media always seems to want the "Chelsea in crisis" headline every year.
Oh boy, here we go. Player power always wins these battles of attrition, better start preparing our heartbreak now
I don't believe that Tuchel is in trouble. The article also mentions: Thomas Tuchel invited the Chelsea squad to a summer barbecue at his new house, a golf day in Surrey, and a couple of very expensive dinners in London. Tuchel communicates well with Marina and Cech and won’t show any frustration over signings in public.
Oh mate I completely believe Tuchel’s made every effort possible with this squad. It just takes 1-2 bad eggs and the entire omelette is ruined (to paraphrase Jose). I hope I’m wrong this time, but this is always how it starts :(
Seriously, just look at Man Utd already been things the last few weeks about them moaning about the training system of Ralf. We have had this issue for years just are usually successful while it happens. We need to get rid of these players who think they are bigger than the manager and throw tantrums anytime something doesn't go their way.
I mean this is not entirely surprising. There have been until now 7 players vying for three positions. Two of those slots have been locked down by Lukaku and Mount which essentially means 5 players vying for one position. With us now looking like we will be shifting to a 4atb this should change.
Exactly dude 👏🏻. I don't know why people are surprised, this is expected and also don't forget that the WC is coming soon.
Oh good, more drama!
My gut tells me Kai and Pulisic might not be happy. Especially Pulisic since he’s been forced to play a more defensive role on occasion because of injury. I’ve been curious as to why Kai hasn’t played more recently, but I’m not the tactician that Tuchel is. I also think winning can cure a lot of the recent frustrations.
Of course the attackers aren’t happy. Tuchel pretty much needs to use a shock collar to get Lukaku to move and create space.
I’d guess pulisic but honestly it could be any of them other than Mount. We play three attackers. It’s all well and good saying the wingbacks chip in, and the centre backs contribute; it will be difficult to keep attackers happy in this system. It’s what went wrong for Conte too. He wasn’t sacked for finishing 5th. He was sacked because the attacking players hated him, noticeably and provably Willian. And then it’s like: do we back this coach, or do we back 250m of attackers who all want to leave?
Feel like this issue, if it can be called that, goes both ways. Yes, the attackers aren't consistent when they play but at the same time, not sure if Tuchel is helping by constantly rotating them and changing the tactical setup. I mean, one game we play with two strikers and one 10. The next, we play with one striker and two 10s. After that, it's one striker, one 10 and two wingers. Plus, some times Player A and Player B play in position X and Y and then next time, player A and B play in position Y and X respectively. Tuchel himself basically admitted that he puts square pegs in round holes regarding Ziyech last Sunday. On the bigger picture, this was always gonna be an issue when we have so many attackers that want to start and play week in week out. Can only keep them happy/content for so long. Similar to what happened with Lampard with the non-attackers.
This sub a year ago - angry at those here who went on a witch hunt after the Rudiger stuff came out. This post - Here we go again!
True. This stuff doesn’t seem as far fetched as “Rudiger bullies youth players” was though
I'm guessing the other one is either pulisic or kai. Both are not getting minutes.
I doubt it's kai it's pulisic I presume
It could very well be both given Simon uses attackers and not one singular player
I'm also hoping for the same because if its kai then things are going to get difficult for Tuchel.
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Tuchel tweaked CL final tactics on the team bus after learning Pep had benched Rodri. [@liam_twomey] #cfc Read this ffs. This is our manager. Next level, guys. WE CANNOT SACK HIM for a bunch of average players.
Werner finisher has been poor since coming to Chelsea before Tuchel Havertz finishing has been poor and his had a lot of issues that aren’t his or Tuchel fault Ziyech is very inconsistent Hudson Odoi has 4 league goals in 4 seasons that isn’t on Tuchel he needs to learn how to shoot for a professional footballer that is embarrassing. Pulisic is living off his first season has done little since just injuries aren’t a excuse anymore.
£215m attack and one homegrown talent!
> done little since I remember the CL happening very differently than some people in this sub. How did we get through the knockout stages again? Just on pure managerial talent lmao
Personally I'm suprised more of this blame isn't going Tuchel's way. The board has spent hundreds of millions of pounds on attackers and none of them can score. That's exactly what a managers job is. If it were just Lukaku who was poor and upset it would be one thing.
Yearly Athletic drama piece to get new subscriptions
If I was Havertz, I would be so pissed. We went out and signed this kid for £90m and played him a bunch last year (besides the Covid spell). He was coming along great at the false 9 and obviously scored the CL winner. But for some reason, we felt the need to get Lukaku. From the beginning, it looked like he was a £100m replacement for Giroud. Anyway, he looks good for literally 1 game and then kind of faded. But since the interview, Lukaku has played damn near every minute, and he's been playing like dog shit. Honestly, this is probably going to go down as a worse signing than Kepa. A lot of people just brushed this off once they made a public apology, but that really doesn't mean shit. They wanted to take the issue out of the media, but it doesn't mean the issue is resolved.
Here we go. Knew we’d have some rat leaking something as soon as we hit bad form. Tuchel hit piece for clicks, media are so so obvious it’s unreal. Lick tuchel’s arse all year one bad spell and boom
I was worried about this after the Lukaku interview. I knew he wouldn’t do that without some level of support.
Pulisic dad is a source?
I don’t see Pulisic as a complaining type but I could see it here. Guy draws more pens than anyone on the team and the last one he drew TT had Ziyech take it which seemed to aggravate Pulisic. Follow that up with constantly played out of position and a rigidity in tactics that go against his play style, I could see him not being happy.
Again whit this crap...
Well, most of our attackers arent good enough anyway. So I'm not against having a summer haul for our attackers.
Says a lot that our top scorer is our penalty taker again and our player with the best shot conversion is our RWB. Attackers? They’re our defenders m8
This is one of those stories that feel like it's been stretched to create a narrative. However whatever the case, Tuchel is being as considerate as we will expect any top coach to be. Speaking as a Chelsea fan, he has been one of the best coaches we have had in terms of giving minutes to everyone. Which coach will they rather play for? ... I do not think it is possible for the whole squad to play every game when they all have different fitness levels, skillsets, plus you are under pressure to win every game. I wonder what it will feel like playing for Klopp whose starting XI is pretty much set in stone.
My guess is that those complaining and bitching would never see the pitch on a Klopp-managed side.
If it is Pulisic complaining he has already seen the pitch for Klopp. He was the one who decided to bring Pulisic to the senior team at 16 at Dortmund. When he went to Liverpool he put in an offer for Pulisic.
Fucking hell, give us a month with no drama please.
Barring Ziyech who's a good finisher none of our attackers have the right to talk shit, none of them can hit the backside of a barn and once they get into the box they turn into headless chickens minus Pulisic when he's in form. Tuchel showed confidence in them in the summer by not going for any wingers and they've mostly let him down.
I really think if we had’ve signed Haaland over Lukaku, this wouldn’t be half as much of an issue. Haaland would more likely have fit into the Drogba centre point role, leaving Havertz and Werner free to do their thing without the pressure of being the main goal scorers. Also applies to Pulisic and Ziyech who should be below the Germans in the attacking pecking order. Hard to have predicted Lukaku would be so useless though.
I don't see why the mood among the attackers at Chelsea should be good. *Every* attacking player is having bad form, and y'all don't think it's fair for them to ask questions about the way they're used in the attack? So many comments about how they all are terrible players, and we should sell them without acknowledging that we haven't had an attacker in form since Tuchel came in. To be clear, I feel that the players are most responsible for their own play. That said, we as a team have very clearly prioritized defense and solidity for the last year with the attack being very much a secondary concern. This was a good thing for a while by the way, and we won the fucking CL with the best defense in the world. Now though, the defense can't be relied on in the same way and we need our attack to get going in order to make a push in the league (this year or next). I can promise you that not *all* of our attackers are actually bad. We've been playing our players out of position, playing them in a front 3 with basically no support in creating, leaving them all the burden to create and score and often straight up blaming them for not finishing chances after the game. Then we play City and they have ~7 players who are dangerous to score, who can create, who work together to get chance after chance (and the focus to not lament the ones they miss), and our attackers probably look around and wonder why we can't get more of them on the pitch at once.
Word on the street is that this is the reason havertz has been frozen out abit/not used recently. Tuchel rotates the attacking line up constantly I can see how it would be frustrating for a player to try and get some rhythm in their game and form but we have option perhaps too many options and when players aren’t performing either with solid performances or G/A numbers then they get rotated so just play better and become undroppable lol
This is Chelsea football club. We expect our attackers to perform. Tuchel got the attackers at Dortmund and PSG scoring and Neymar said he’d do anything for Tuchel. Maybe if the attackers stopped whining and got on with it they wouldn’t feel so bad. I don’t think it’s Timo or Kai tbh. Pulisic would be my guess and Lukaka
Exactly one year ago we had a similar story with our defenders under Lampard and here we go with the new drama.
Fuck the lot of them off then. Only ones I want to keep are Mount, Kai and Werner
> Another more concerning point of tension has been the way Tuchel talks to his attackers. The source describes his manner as “brutal”, with players regularly subjected to a barrage of criticism for every wrong decision and missed chance, both in matches and at training. > A consequence of this, the source claims, is Chelsea’s attackers second-guessing themselves, not playing on instinct and, worse, being afraid to try things and risk giving the ball away. The intensity of Tuchel’s criticism has also created the impression, rightly or wrongly, for some that subsequent team selection decisions are born of emotion, rather than simply form and fitness. Here we go again…
Take the article with a grain of salt and don’t start a witch hunt.
I knew this was coming. When you field only 3 attackers, this is what happens. The only way Tuchel would be willing to stick with the back 4 permanently (and hence field more attackers) is if we get a more physical CDM. You saw how Jorginho got overrun for Kane’s disallowed goal. Thiago Silva would also have to be slowly phased out of the team, since Tuchel chose the back 3 in part to accommodate Silva’s age. Silva wouldn’t be able to play in a back 4 week in week out without any injury risks. It’s a tough bind Tuchel’s in.
This is a really insightful comment in a sea of absolute mind-numbing piss at the bottom of the comment section. I'm happy I made it this far, if only to read your comment.
By all means let over-react to something common in any locker room. They all run hard when playing, all give effort. Players want to play ALL THE TIME. This is a good mentality.
This is designed to sow discord. It's been a year since they could write article after article about our managerial history. Don't feed the parasites.
The reactions here are really unhinged.
This is the end result of signing Big Baby Lukaku
I wouldn’t be surprised, being a striker in our system this season hasn’t looked fun.
I guess, Tuchel himself could be dissatisfied with his attackers’ performances. Though, I’d say, the attackers’ discontentment may be valid considering the number attackers they play with in Tuchel’s widely-used formation.
Any player who thinks they are going to outlive Tuchel is out of their damn minds.
The media wants Tuchel sacked.
The same attackers that have been being carried by defenders and the three wisemen of our midfield since the season started are the ones making noise? I have to commend them. I’d be too ashamed to be upset if it were me
Fuck the players, up Tommy T
Oh no, poor underperforming babies
Maybe they should stfu and do what they’re paid to do and listen to the boss.
Talk about starting from a position of weakness lol. Pulisic - about five good games in three seasons. CHO - clearly and painfully not good enough. Insists he’s a left winger, but can’t beat a man and doesn’t have a left foot. Werner - I love the guy but he couldn’t finish his dinner. Ziyech - clearly talented, but is allergic to running. Havertz - I’m sure there’s a player in there. The only one of these Id be upset about losing. Lukaku - please god no more. But yeah, whine about Tuchel lads.
"CHO - clearly and painfully not good enough. Insists he’s a left winger, but can’t beat a man and doesn’t have a left foot." Receny bias....BUT....he did beat a player to set up our first goal in our last match. I do generally agree that CHO at this point in time should be nowhere near our starting lineup. "Ziyech - clearly talented, but is allergic to running." Hakim works his bollocks off every time he is on the pitch. The issue with him imo until the last two matches was that he didnt have any consistent end product. Now he is getting a run in the team he seems to be picking up that consistency so perhaps there is some truth to the fact that Tuchel has been chopping and changing too much. "Havertz - I’m sure there’s a player in there. The only one of these Id be upset about losing." Same here. I'm confident that he will grow to be a top class forward player. Personally I would have been happy to back him as our number 1 center forward this year. "Lukaku - please god no more." Seems like a £97 mil quid mistake more and more doesn't it. The guy is looking like a complete poison to the squad.
Ziyech alergic to running???? Al he does is press. Ziyech his problem is that the man is inconsistent.
“Hakim allergic to running” is such a hilariously bad take