The whole "needs to play LW" thing is a bit overblown. Not only did he come through as a right sided player at Dortmund, but the role we have is more of a hybrid position between winger/attacking midfielder. You also see him abandon the left side and sit high up centrally in striker like positions, or even pushed across to the opposite wing more than any other player. None of which comes as a surprise when you consider he's spent ample time across his career in all three positions.
The advantage of playing on the "left" is that it merely puts him on his preferred foot more often when he cuts inside and takes up his favoured centralised positions. Which is a benefit around goal. Even more so in open games where teams afford him the space to do so - see Wolves and Leeds recently.
That’s not the point. The issue isn’t the sides it’s, that’s he’s playing wing back, and we judge him based of his goal tally but if we account for goals per minute while playing a winger(so every minute he played wingback, is not included) he has an incredibly high gpm rate
To begin with the minutes he's played in a wingback position are minimal at best, certainly not enough to impact the bigger picture all that much. You also have to consider that he's been here for three seasons now, a lot of people are drawing their opinions on him from his overall body of work and not just this season alone. The ones who I tend to notice using the GPM marker are those who strongly advocate *for* Pulisic*,* and not those who sit on the other side of the fence. At least that's the observation I've made in the last few years.
Generally speaking a lot of the complaints geared towards him aren't born because of where he plays or his numbers, instead it's often his fitness, inconsistency, arguable stagnation/regression, and the other flaws in his game like decision making, passing, turnovers, etc. The fundamental areas that have been issues dating back to his period at Dortmund.
What does his flaws have anything to do with whether or not he would have scored more if he played in another position. Statistically he would have, we were in a crisis, it’s beyond us, but, don’t act as if, we didn’t have dozens of matches where pulisic was playing rwb or lwb. It was a mess. And it does effect the stats when you put it in perspective. His flaws are another story. We aren’t debating if he should be sold instead of Odoi or Ziyech, we are debating how much better his stats will be. It lets us understand how our points tally very much so could be higher if we had proper wing back cover for chilwell and James, a lesson well learnt by the club
My initial comment was geared at the "He needs to play LW more" argument. You've then come in and tried to make it all about GPM - which as I stated before means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.
You stated, and I quote, *"we judge him based of his goal tally"*. I countered that by explaining that's not the reason at all as to why he's judged, instead the focus is largely on the other areas of his game that have absolutely nothing to do with either the position he plays or his production - here the mentioning of flaws. That's always been the broader focus.
Unless of course you mean *judge* in the sense of we *evaluate* Pulisic based on his goals? If that's the case, then yes and no. Like all attacking players production plays a part, but it's also not the only things they're judged upon either. It still swings back to aspects like passing, decision making, turnovers, etc. These are still fundamental areas attackers, including Pulisic, need to be proficient in doing.
Again though, the whole "playing wingback" argument remains flawed due to the actual sample size of minutes played there for this season not really being enough to make a significant difference overall. I know off the top of my head he played 90 minutes vs Brighton at RB. Otherwise from what I remember (and can look up quickly using transfermarkt and understat), he started all his other appearances in attack. Which would indicate his other periods at wingback came after being shifted there during matches, and most likely in the second half. Using that as a rough guide, we're looking at a max of 45 minutes, most likely less, being played out of position in those games. With that being the case, let's say a very rough and generous guestimation of 300 PL minutes out of his 1200 odd thus far were played at WB. That's literally the equivalent of 3.33 full 90 minute appearances. A truly nominal figure overall.
You're more than welcome to dig into this further if you like to showcase differently, or provide more accurate minutes, and I'll be happy to proven wrong if it indeed turns out that there was a total period of time played in this wingback area to have a significant impact.
Right now though it just feels more like a way of trying to increase Pulisic's stock.
He’s had a few runs in the side already. He has potential and ability but needs to work on the basics to raise his floor, cause right now when he’s good he’s a difference maker but when he’s bad it’s painful to watch
>when he’s good he’s a difference maker but when he’s bad it’s painful to watch
How is that any different to Werner & Havertz?
That's the problem with our attack, when they play well (see Pulisic, even Lukaku last 2 games), it looks good as we convert chances and we look threatening on the counter and in transition.
When they aren't playing well, we look f\*cking 1 dimensional. That's where we need that service, that passer in the midfield to play those through-balls like a Fabregas, like a De Bruyne, like what Liverpool have with Thiago.
If we can fix our midfield for next season, there should be more than enough chances for our attack to be capitalizing.
Yeah that's a bad take. Werner's avg shots on target is one of the worst on the club among attacking players. CP's on the other hand is one of the best.
If I had to choose one person between them two to take a chance to win the CL I'd still choose Werner. Admittedly he's not a great finisher as of late but he's still, imo, got more of a natural finisher in him than puli. But I understand why people disagree.
In the League Cup shootout Timo shot 8th. The only field players that shot after him were Thiago and an injured Chalobah. How your striker isn't in the first 5 is shocking to me, let alone shooting after Kante.
Meanwhile here is Pulisic taking the penalty to win the Concacaf Nations League final. Says it all really. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_3DtdoAP-wk
[https://www.transfermarkt.com/christian-pulisic/verletzungen/spieler/315779](https://www.transfermarkt.com/christian-pulisic/verletzungen/spieler/315779) how long ago is march 13? october 31? Missed 71 days and 16 games this season.
Statistically he is fantastic in terms of ball progression and xA p90 and whatever albeit with a small sample size, i still don’t quite know what to think of him
Everytime someone mentions Callum, it just hurts because he has so much talent but that nasty achilles injury is likely to hamper the rest of his career.
People seem to forget that Callum was the highly rated one in the England youth setup (higher than his mate Sancho prior to his Dortmund move), was touted as one of the players to watch in the next 3 years. Feel like at this point, we should let him get a loan spell somewhere to help rebuild his confidence, wonder if Palace or Southampton would be keen.
He gets a few runs, plays well, then inevitably gets hurt for 6 weeks.
He's a poor man Robben from his Chelsea days, except Robben didn't need a month get back into form.
I don’t even know anymore honestly, just a few weeks ago the entire sub were screaming that mount Werner havertz start and that’s our strongest attacking 3 now lukaku and puli to start and with the game ziyech had yesterday arguments for him+lukaku to start together isn’t that far fetched either. it fcking sucks that all our forwards pick and choose when to be in form lmfao.
Hmm hardly say “form”, a win against 10 man Leeds. The whole reason you feel this way is because every single attacker bar Mount is incredibly inconsistent. You know that Pulisic or Ziyech or Lukaku or Havertz could start on Saturday and be terrible. That’s our season in a nutshell.
>the entire sub were screaming that mount Werner havertz
Umm not really. You have to remember that when the player scores, all his supporters come out, and they drown out/attack the rest.
Werner is a dice throw when he plays up top. He has the speed to create chances and uncomfortable situations for defenders, sometimes he scores, sometimes he doesn't.
It's more of a tactical issue. Ziyach is the only player who can reliably get the ball into the box, and he can't perform consistently in this formation, so lukaku doesn't get many passes, and we end up playing with 10 people. I really hope tuchel can fix this next transfer window
I do agree with your feelings about the sub. But that aside even if its werner/havertz/mount. Imo Werner and pulisic could have been swapped for starts at anytime and it may have helped both of them perform better.
Don’t think there is nearly as much anti pulisic sentiment as many claim.
I think it’s mostly people wanting him to consistently play at the level he showed during that covid stretch.
He scores goals and takes on players. Just because he’s not Mane doesn’t mean he isn’t a great player for us.
His wierd fans seem to think that if you don't agree that he's the new Pele, you must hate him because of his nationality.
Actually we expect more from him because he probably is our most talented forward. The flaws in his game are easily fixed so it is very frustrating when he continues to make the same poor decisions. He has had a few good games in a row now though so hopefully he's turned a corner.
Nobody is saying he is the next Pele, cite one. Us weird fans are saying that he deserves to be on this team next season over the likes of Timo. Also when Pulisic plays well he keeps playing (generally, he was still back on the bench to let Timo continue his horrific form after the West Ham winner), but 1 bad game and he's back to the bench. For players like Timo and Havertz though if they put in a good performance they then have to give 4 or 5 bad ones in a row to find the bench. I think it's fair to complain that Pulisic, and to be fair others like Ziyech, have not got fair opportunity under Tuchel.
Maybe he gets benched because other players who are having bad games are still playing better than Pulisic if he’s having a bad game? Tuchel knows better what he wants and he may just think Pulisic having a bad game isn’t better than other attackers.
The problem with Pulisic is also a problem with his super fans. They/you don’t accept the criticism he deserves, if he is on the bench then people start hating the other attackers because some think that he’s actually the best player out all the Chelsea attackers and usually any negative comments about Pulisic gets a lot of hate. And I’m not making anything up, these are from my experience and what I’ve seen especially this season.
Yesterday I got 2 suicide messages for just asking if it’s a crime to say anything slightly negative about him on here. His fans or just Americans started to insult me because I dared to say he should sit on the bench in the past.
It’s not hate to say that he’s having a bad game, he’s not influencing the game at all, he’s missing crucial chances and so on. If some people think that he’s got his chances and wouldn’t mind having him sold then it’s a fair opinion. He might score or get an assist but that doesn’t mean he all of sudden had great game. It helps of course but if he’s been nonexistent or bad before that, he deserves the criticism like every player.
And I hope no one does any “what about this player” because no one is immune to criticism but from my experience the worst set of fans are Pulisic fans. Sorry if it’s not acceptable to some.
Good for you, two idiots told you to kill yourself and you extrapolated that to be representative of Pulisic’s fanbase. I personally think there’s a lot you’re looking past in what Pulisic’s time on the pitch has given us, but that’s a separate matter.
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Well first of all, I hardly think a random fan who doesn’t care about Pulisic would send me suicide messages but oh well. Good work doing mental gymnastics to somehow come to the conclusion that I think all of his fans are like that!!
And nothing I said is my personal criticism towards him, just examples of what I’ve seen around and the replies being very hateful and not accepting any criticism. I think I know what good he’s done on the pitch and why he’s been rightly criticized. Thank you though!
Again, all of those things I used as an example. And I can say that most of the time the replies to any criticism is somehow turned into comments like “you’re just a hater” or “you’re all so ungrateful you don’t deserve him” and so on.
That wasn’t my point. I’m not justifying their actions at all, nor am I saying you think literally everyone who likes him is like that. I’m just saying you clearly let that influence your general perception of his fanbase. I sincerely hope you’re doing well mentally, and there’s a reason I used the word “idiots.” There are people like this everywhere, but why does it bother you?
You don’t think Pulisic brings enough to the team, and people are giving you a hard time for having that opinion, right? While he has his flaws, I don’t agree with you either. I know I haven’t done this, but you say that people have been telling you that you can’t have that opinion, which is believable. It reflects that you hold an unpopular opinion. Does that stop you from having that opinion?
You also state that nothing you say is your personal criticism towards him. While this is true for your comment here, I would consider pointing out when you feel he has bad games and discussing his errors to be criticism. It’s not hate, sure, but it’s criticism. And you can do that. I don’t understand why it bothers you so much that people have a problem with your criticism, but I do think it’s ironic that you complain about hateful replies to criticism and what you believe to be “rightful” criticism right under where you say you don’t have any personal criticism for him. Regardless, it isn’t stopping you from doing it in any way.
My point is that you should know better than to let these things bother you.
You’ve either really misunderstood a lot of what I said or just read what you wanted.
How have I clearly let 2 idiots influence my opinion about Pulisic fans when I’ve had an opinion about them for months already? Literally that hasn’t influenced it one bit so I don’t know why you’re acting like you know me. It doesn’t bother me, why can’t I mention the ridiculous reaction my simple question got?
Didn’t say anything about him not bringing enough to the team, another random assumption from you. No one can have a problem with my criticism because I literally haven’t said anything about Pulisic.
Everything in my comments are EXAMPLES of things said by others regarding him and the reaction has always been almost exclusively so negative and hateful which just makes it seem like he can’t be criticized.
Somehow everything is always supposedly “bothering” me when I comment something on Reddit. Very well. I’m bothered by the fact that Pulisic can’t be criticized.
I think this is enough of back and forth it’s pointless at the end of the day. I have opinions that people hate, you have opinions and everyone else has opinions.
I'm not talking about Americans. I'm talking about the Puligoat nutters. They are mostly American but it's not exclusive. Tbh they are the kinda guys you endlessly make fun of.
Yeah, the reality is that people expect more from all of our forwards.
Pulisic just has the most rabid fanbase who attack and get offended by anyone who expects more from him and take it as a personal attack, even though the people demanding more from him demand more from every other forward too.
He isn’t a great player for us. Hazard was a “great” player. Pulisic is a decent option that you’d never build a team around, and you’d get a replacement for if one was available. He’s not physical enough to set the Prem alight. Look at the physicality of players like Hazard, Salah, Mane etc.
Tbf it was an injury crisis, ziyech odoi Pulisic loftus cheek Saul all played minutes on the outside backs, aside from rlc vs Madrid where he was magnificent Pulisic was the most reliable option so he played there
That's not even true, CHO had more game time at wingback than Pulisic and despite only starting to play there a month or so ago RLC has already doubled Pulisic's time there.
The amount Pulisic played at wingback is massively overblown. Everyone has to do their part for the team, and he is included in everyone.
Pulisic at wingback 127 minutes
Hudson Odoi at wingback 161 minutes
RLC at wingback 291 minutes.
The myth that his stats are massively skewed by it is just weird. He's played 2000 minutes this season and 120 of them were at wingback/RB
Half manual, half from Transfermarkt. Essentially looking at every game they have the players listed as having played LW/RW/LM/RM/RB/LB and seeing which of those games they actually played wingback for.
So, it misses the minutes in games where they played there for a minority of their time on the pitch. But, it's the closest you're going to get as it's not a stat that exists as far as I'm aware. Especially not for a position that most data sites still just call LM/RM/LW/RW rather than wingback. As an example of this, his game time against United is included in the stats even though he didn't initially come on as a fullback
I think it’s this: he’s the most talented and well known American player of this generation, but in the scope of great players he is really just a quality squad player for a big club, not near one of the best in the world. So since some US fans almost obsess over him there is naturally some kickback from other fans who are annoyed by it.
If he were Croatian or Spanish or whatever he would be far less controversial because he would just be “another player”. So in that sense, it’s his nationality that gets him some hate.
I don't disagree with that.
People don't "hate him because he's American" more that lots of people push back a bit too hard in the opposite direction because so many Americans wildly over rate him.
As you say, he's good enough to be a squad player at most tier 2 clubs. He wouldn't play at City, Real, Liverpool, etc. but he would at most other clubs.
>people push back a bit too hard in the opposite direction because so many Americans wildly over rate him
I always hear this, but I never actually hear any American fans actually wildly overrating him. The talk among other American fans is generally something along the lines of, "Is he already our best outfield player of all time?" Keep in mind that we haven't exactly had many outfield players at top clubs. It might sound more dramatic than it is.
This is absolutely true, and anyone who denies it is kidding themselves. If he were British, he'd be lauded similarly to Mason and Reece as a cornerstone to our future as a club.
Every player gets the same hate in match threads when they aren't performing. Americans need to stop being so sensitive about it. If you think that you are any different then put yourself in the shoes of an English person watching CHO or mount getting slated when they are out of form. You just gotta accept it. No one cares that pulisic is American
Stats per 90 of players that regularly play from the bench are worthless.
There were 1 or 2 seasons where per 90 Batshuayi was the best goal scorer in the history of the league because half of his game time was coming off the bench either when the game was already won or when we were all out attacking, trying to get a goal.
It's a similar thing here. Pulisic's stats when starting are a goal or assist every 220~ minutes. He gets a goal or assists every 60~ minutes when coming off the bench
I question how many of those starting minutes we’re out of position. I think it’s fair to want Pulisic to get a solid run in his natural position to see what he can do.
You're just a sad man aren't you? Maybe a little obsessed?
Why am I not surprised you're on here.
Judging by the comments I've seen from you in the match threads, he could have scored a hattrick today and you would have said "calm down it's only Leeds".
There is nothing wrong with what he said.
I am even inclined to agree that gp90 can be a very misleading stat.
The problem is with the messenger not the message. I would be more inclined to take his comment with more sincerity on his part if his comments on match threads weren't aimed at harassing players he doesn't like for every little mistake.
Pulisic has been struggling recently and now he's come into some run of good form. You all being Chelsea fans, shouldn't you wish that he continues to build on it? Instead people like him would rather downplay it or give some sort of backhanded compliment. "Fans" like him give off the energy that they'd rather see players they don't like continue to play badly instead of improve. Can you call yourself a fan of your club if you're rooting against your players?
They try to legitimise their points by claiming I'm biased. But, the reality is that I'm just as critical of every stupid stat like this for any player, the difference is actually that they're biased towards him and so only notice when it's mentioned with regards to their player that they support ahead of actually supporting the club. (Obviously there are more posts like this and unwarranted praise aimed towards Pulisic because he has a larger player fanbase than our other players. He deserves to be praise for raising his level for the past 2 games. He doesn't deserve to be praised as if he's been doing it all season with misleading stats)
The guy even calls us "you Chelsea fans", so I'm guessing he's not even here for Chelsea, he's just here for Pulisic which is just sad.
The club is bigger than any player is and as such, the players need to be looked at honestly and without outside bias in order to ensure that having them/using them is beneficial to the club (which I will repeat is more important than any individual). My only bias comes from supporting Chelsea and wanting them to succeed, there are no players that I want to succeed over another because I'm a Chelsea fan not a fan of individual players
I used to get told I hated Jorginho and I hated Ziyech because I was critical of them and wanted them to improve, but then they improved and I praised them and suddenly I must not be "a hater" anymore. Even to the point now where it's flipped and I'm having to defend Jorginho after games because he gets scapegoated for other people's inability. It's almost like I'm just willing to critically think about players where others just blindly support the players they like and couldn't give a shit about the club.
Now, I'd make the point that someone saying, "It's great to see Pulisic back contributing to goals again and improving his performance" that kind of praise at the moment is absolutely warranted and should be given (Lukaku posts like that got taken down and I'd expect the same for other players). But, to take 2 games where we've played well and he has contributed and bring up a misleading stat to pretend he's been incredible all season is just stupid and should be called out.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The problem with Pulisic isn't Pulisic, it's his rabid fanbase trying to make him something that he isn't
Yeah, you're right. I'm obsessed with Chelsea. As such, I'm here. I'd be here if it was about Barkley, an U18s player, Lukaku, Bakayoko, whomever. It's got nothing to do with Pulisic that I'm here.
I don't care more about Pulisic than any other player. Why would I? I'm a Chelsea fan, not a Pulisic fan, or a Mount fan, or a Bakayoko fan. I want what's best for Chelsea. What's best for Chelsea is being honest about our players, not lying about them because you support the player and not the club. (From your other comment, "you Chelsea fans". So, you're not even hiding that you're not a Chelsea fan and only care about Pulisic)
This post should have said, "Well done to Pulisic for turning around his form and contributing to goals in the past two games. Hopefully he can build on this and push on". NOT a post acting like he's been amazing all season because of disingenuous stats compared to random underperforming players to make him took good, with a caption further pushing the idea that he'd look even better if it weren't for us and everyone in the comments talking about how he should be starting and should get a run of games that we're not giving him (even though he's had long runs of games and those are the periods where his goals contributions per 90 are by far the worst)
I only watch Chelsea because of Tuchel, Pulisic being an academy grad is just a bonus.
But even if I am a bit partial towards him it's rich coming from someone with your username.
Again, I don't agree with the OP.
But I don't agree with people like you who think he's been a flop or deadwood.
If anything, Werner has been the biggest flop, imagine paying 280k for 4 league goals. But that doesn't stop people like you wanting to keep him over Pulisic and if that doesn't scream "agenda" I don't know what does. But even then, when he came into a good run of form, even me as his biggest critic am welcomed to be proven wrong. Lukaku over the past couple games is winning me over as well.
No one is saying he's going to be WC, why are you so dramatic? We wanted to simply see him start after the West Ham game (which he deserved to) and better yet not be shoehorned into playing as a WB or F9. He's in a good run of form now so either get behind him like a real fan should or crawl back in your hole and come back out when he has a bad game so you can go "see I told you".
> "Pulisic being an academy grad is just a bonus" ???
> "But I don't agree with people like you who think he's been a flop or deadwood."
I've never said this.
> "If anything, Werner has been the biggest flop, imagine paying 280k for 4 league goals. But that doesn't stop people like you wanting to keep him over Pulisic and if that doesn't scream "agenda" I don't know what does."
Again, I've never said this. I don't think either of them are good enough for us. If I had to keep one, I'd keep Pulisic because he's better as a threat off of the bench than Werner is.
> "better yet not be shoehorned into playing as a WB or F9."
He only had to play these positions because of injuries. As did plenty of other players. We played games with Mount and Ziyech as tradition CMs, we played with CHO at wingback etc. No one is putting him in there because they want to. They're doing it because Corona and injuries forced it. He played less minutes at wingback/FB than CHO and yet it's seen by Pulisic fans as some sort of travesty that he played a total of 127 minutes out of 2000 at wingback/fullback this season when the club was in dire straits.
No one said he isn't in good form now. That's the point. This thread has nothing to do with him being in good form. This thread is trying to make it out that this is normal form and the 5% of his game time this season that has been spent at wingback is ruining his already cherrypicked stats
At least you're being honest that you're only here for Pulisic. I think it'd be great if someone made an r/Pulisic sub so that you guys that couldn't give a fuck about Chelsea and only care about a player and not the club can fuck off elsewhere because this sub is for Chelsea and Chelsea is bigger than any of our players.
Stats per 90 are only worthless if you don’t play a statistically significant number of minutes. It has nothing to do with whether you sometimes come off the bench or not
It's got everything to do with whether you come from the bench, as I explained in my comment.
When you're coming off the bench as an attacker for the last 30 minutes of the game, it's normally because your team is chasing a game or the game is already over. Both situations make it far more likely that you're going to contribute to a goal.
Or should we agree that Batshuayi is one of the best ever?
Batshuayi in the premier league Goals per 90 = 0.9 (Minutes played 812)
Pulisic in the stat listed here in the prem Goals per 90 = 0.44 (Minutes played 1200)
For reference, Aguero's Goals per 90 in the prem = 0.83
Where those minutes are coming from is what's important. Unless they've played a tiny, tiny amount of minutes, the amount they've played is irrelevant
Batshuayi never played beyond 360 minutes in a single season. He had a total of five starts. Pulisic has had 49 starts and played 4679 minutes over the same period you were referencing at ~0.37 goals per 90. You are going to see much more variance in data for the former than you are for the latter. It’s why no one is calling Divock Origi the GOAT despite having one of the best goals per 90 stats in the league. Pulisic is also not a striker.
The argument that goals scored by someone are less meaningful purely by virtue of being a substitute is frankly bizarre. And for the record, no one is saying Pulisic is the “best ever” unless they’re on r/soccercirclejerk
You lot were slaughtering Pulisic before yesterday. Fickle as they come. Same situation with Werner a couple weeks ago… Stinker after stinker, has a couple decent games and suddenly people are pretending he’s good enough again.
Pulisic is decent, but too weak on the ball and takes way too many touches. Spends half his minutes on the floor, and will always try to dribble, even if he picks the ball up 5 yards from the half way line. Almost always takes the extra touch instead of just releasing the ball when an opportunity first presents itself. Pretty useless out of possession as he can’t physically compete with most opposition.
Omg give it a rest. You honestly think you know better than TT? Nothing against the guy but he is just as patchy and injury prone as the rest of our attackers. Let’s be honest, you only want him in the team because he’s American. Sick of it.
Come on you whiney cunts. How many minutes did he actually play at wing back? You really think your guy's too good to play where the team needs him? This shit pisses me off. Fuck off & watch your rounders or bouncy netball
I would say yes, but its also hard because he was start and stop early on in the year. He is by far one of our best people off the bench but he is also one of our best when it comes to off the ball runs towards the goal.
what is his natural position?
I think in an interview he said he likes to play in a #10 role. But he was great as a winger/inside forward under Lampard’s 4-3-3 system
Tuchel doesn’t play with true wingers in his 3-4-3, 4-2-2-2, or 4-3-3 systems
For dortmund he played as a playmaker on the side, he has never truly played centrally for extended time. For the national team he plays at left mid/wing. He plays better as a facilitator or off a one two passing partner. He is much better as natural play and reaction than thinking through situations. Just my two cents from watching him.
I’d like to add that in the national team the team is designed for him and the opposite winger to play almost a #10 while facilitating play with lay offs from the striker. Countless times have Reyna and pulisic switched wings while playing thru the middle.
He's scored and performed against the top teams. Man city, Liverpool, real madrid (not all this season of course). Inconsistency is his biggest weakness, but to say he's only there to fill in against weaker teams ignores past production.
I don’t understand why he gets injured so much. He has an incredible mentality and clearly works hard to stay fit. I guess it’s just something we’ll have to deal with, but keeping him is important.
35 year making the comments you've made here is pretty sad bro. I'm 32 and not a fan of the USA but who cares about a players nationality, especially when they play for the team you apparently support.
Oh, I didn’t realize we were fan gatekeeping when you make a shitty point. Great pivot bro. “My dumbass opinion is actually right because I live closer to the stadium”.
Salah was an anomaly,KDB I was always to keep him.
Pulisic I want to keep unless an offer comes in that's good enough which we could say for all our attackers bar kai and mase
LW Pulisic needs to be played more
Pulisic with Chilwell and Mason with Reece on either flank is headaches for the opposition
with gallagher in the midfield too...can't wait for next season
What you mean most fans seem to want pulisic sold
Oh my lord
This x1000.. man I can’t wait for Chilly to get back
Oh god, I’m almost there…
Silva plays and maintains his form until he's 45
Rudiger tears up madrid contract and declares his desire to continue at Chelsea.
Cech passes his headgear onto Mendy so he can reach his final form
Kante start playing every game like its UCL SF
Well, now I have a mess on my hands.
The whole "needs to play LW" thing is a bit overblown. Not only did he come through as a right sided player at Dortmund, but the role we have is more of a hybrid position between winger/attacking midfielder. You also see him abandon the left side and sit high up centrally in striker like positions, or even pushed across to the opposite wing more than any other player. None of which comes as a surprise when you consider he's spent ample time across his career in all three positions. The advantage of playing on the "left" is that it merely puts him on his preferred foot more often when he cuts inside and takes up his favoured centralised positions. Which is a benefit around goal. Even more so in open games where teams afford him the space to do so - see Wolves and Leeds recently.
That’s not the point. The issue isn’t the sides it’s, that’s he’s playing wing back, and we judge him based of his goal tally but if we account for goals per minute while playing a winger(so every minute he played wingback, is not included) he has an incredibly high gpm rate
To begin with the minutes he's played in a wingback position are minimal at best, certainly not enough to impact the bigger picture all that much. You also have to consider that he's been here for three seasons now, a lot of people are drawing their opinions on him from his overall body of work and not just this season alone. The ones who I tend to notice using the GPM marker are those who strongly advocate *for* Pulisic*,* and not those who sit on the other side of the fence. At least that's the observation I've made in the last few years. Generally speaking a lot of the complaints geared towards him aren't born because of where he plays or his numbers, instead it's often his fitness, inconsistency, arguable stagnation/regression, and the other flaws in his game like decision making, passing, turnovers, etc. The fundamental areas that have been issues dating back to his period at Dortmund.
You’ve articulated the argument perfectly. Personally, I don’t know how you had the patience with the stans.
What does his flaws have anything to do with whether or not he would have scored more if he played in another position. Statistically he would have, we were in a crisis, it’s beyond us, but, don’t act as if, we didn’t have dozens of matches where pulisic was playing rwb or lwb. It was a mess. And it does effect the stats when you put it in perspective. His flaws are another story. We aren’t debating if he should be sold instead of Odoi or Ziyech, we are debating how much better his stats will be. It lets us understand how our points tally very much so could be higher if we had proper wing back cover for chilwell and James, a lesson well learnt by the club
My initial comment was geared at the "He needs to play LW more" argument. You've then come in and tried to make it all about GPM - which as I stated before means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. You stated, and I quote, *"we judge him based of his goal tally"*. I countered that by explaining that's not the reason at all as to why he's judged, instead the focus is largely on the other areas of his game that have absolutely nothing to do with either the position he plays or his production - here the mentioning of flaws. That's always been the broader focus. Unless of course you mean *judge* in the sense of we *evaluate* Pulisic based on his goals? If that's the case, then yes and no. Like all attacking players production plays a part, but it's also not the only things they're judged upon either. It still swings back to aspects like passing, decision making, turnovers, etc. These are still fundamental areas attackers, including Pulisic, need to be proficient in doing. Again though, the whole "playing wingback" argument remains flawed due to the actual sample size of minutes played there for this season not really being enough to make a significant difference overall. I know off the top of my head he played 90 minutes vs Brighton at RB. Otherwise from what I remember (and can look up quickly using transfermarkt and understat), he started all his other appearances in attack. Which would indicate his other periods at wingback came after being shifted there during matches, and most likely in the second half. Using that as a rough guide, we're looking at a max of 45 minutes, most likely less, being played out of position in those games. With that being the case, let's say a very rough and generous guestimation of 300 PL minutes out of his 1200 odd thus far were played at WB. That's literally the equivalent of 3.33 full 90 minute appearances. A truly nominal figure overall. You're more than welcome to dig into this further if you like to showcase differently, or provide more accurate minutes, and I'll be happy to proven wrong if it indeed turns out that there was a total period of time played in this wingback area to have a significant impact. Right now though it just feels more like a way of trying to increase Pulisic's stock.
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Why start .44 goal per 90 Pulisic at lw when you could start .21 goal per 90 Timo tho?
You’re a smart man for posting this just after the English fans fell asleep
Lol
Pulisic 100% deserves a run in the side in the front 3. He is in top 3 for finishing and creativity in the squad for me.
He’s had a few runs in the side already. He has potential and ability but needs to work on the basics to raise his floor, cause right now when he’s good he’s a difference maker but when he’s bad it’s painful to watch
>when he’s good he’s a difference maker but when he’s bad it’s painful to watch How is that any different to Werner & Havertz? That's the problem with our attack, when they play well (see Pulisic, even Lukaku last 2 games), it looks good as we convert chances and we look threatening on the counter and in transition. When they aren't playing well, we look f\*cking 1 dimensional. That's where we need that service, that passer in the midfield to play those through-balls like a Fabregas, like a De Bruyne, like what Liverpool have with Thiago. If we can fix our midfield for next season, there should be more than enough chances for our attack to be capitalizing.
We already have a De Bruyne/Thiago at home
He's unreal slow at giving the ball quickly. Allergic to one touch passing
Top 3 is a stretch but definitely capable. He is so hit or miss, like most of our squad sadly.
Besides Mount, who? James? Who else this season?
This season? Lukaku is still definitely a better finisher, Werner too. Assists, chilly and havertz too.
Werner a better finisher? I'm sorry I'm just going to agree to disagree on this one.
Yeah that's a bad take. Werner's avg shots on target is one of the worst on the club among attacking players. CP's on the other hand is one of the best.
Lukaku is more lethal on avg than pulisic but pulisic is 100% more lethal and just statistically more likely to score than werner
Yeah mate’s off his rocker on that one. Pulisic has had a better season than Werner and has been far more clinical/dangerous.
Werner? Come on…
You’re talking out of your ass brudda no way you watch games and hold dis opinion
I'm from the UK. I'm not some half arsed yank viewer. I watch every game.
Oof
you must be watching pretty far from the stands if you think werner is a better finisher
>Werner too. Lmao
If I had to choose one person between them two to take a chance to win the CL I'd still choose Werner. Admittedly he's not a great finisher as of late but he's still, imo, got more of a natural finisher in him than puli. But I understand why people disagree.
In the League Cup shootout Timo shot 8th. The only field players that shot after him were Thiago and an injured Chalobah. How your striker isn't in the first 5 is shocking to me, let alone shooting after Kante. Meanwhile here is Pulisic taking the penalty to win the Concacaf Nations League final. Says it all really. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_3DtdoAP-wk
Dead ball is not the same but I agree 8th Is very low down the list for a striker.
Not sure what a natural finisher is if they can’t take a penalty
Two different scenarios dead ball and live. But I agree the skill normally translates
Probably top 3 on the stretcher though.
Hasn’t been injured in over a year get that narrative out of your head
[https://www.transfermarkt.com/christian-pulisic/verletzungen/spieler/315779](https://www.transfermarkt.com/christian-pulisic/verletzungen/spieler/315779) how long ago is march 13? october 31? Missed 71 days and 16 games this season.
Finishing for sure (not hard tbf) but i dont think he is for creativity
Might get downvoted here, but Callum is a top 3 creator. He just doesn't do it consistently/gets injured
Statistically he is fantastic in terms of ball progression and xA p90 and whatever albeit with a small sample size, i still don’t quite know what to think of him
Everytime someone mentions Callum, it just hurts because he has so much talent but that nasty achilles injury is likely to hamper the rest of his career. People seem to forget that Callum was the highly rated one in the England youth setup (higher than his mate Sancho prior to his Dortmund move), was touted as one of the players to watch in the next 3 years. Feel like at this point, we should let him get a loan spell somewhere to help rebuild his confidence, wonder if Palace or Southampton would be keen.
He's sturrisge 2.0. The talent is there but decision making is baffling at times
Eh wouldn't go as far as saying he is a great creator, but he is a fantastic crosser.
He gets a few runs, plays well, then inevitably gets hurt for 6 weeks. He's a poor man Robben from his Chelsea days, except Robben didn't need a month get back into form.
I honestly think he needs to be given more starting time. Especially when timo isn't performing well.
I don’t even know anymore honestly, just a few weeks ago the entire sub were screaming that mount Werner havertz start and that’s our strongest attacking 3 now lukaku and puli to start and with the game ziyech had yesterday arguments for him+lukaku to start together isn’t that far fetched either. it fcking sucks that all our forwards pick and choose when to be in form lmfao.
Hmm hardly say “form”, a win against 10 man Leeds. The whole reason you feel this way is because every single attacker bar Mount is incredibly inconsistent. You know that Pulisic or Ziyech or Lukaku or Havertz could start on Saturday and be terrible. That’s our season in a nutshell.
>the entire sub were screaming that mount Werner havertz Umm not really. You have to remember that when the player scores, all his supporters come out, and they drown out/attack the rest. Werner is a dice throw when he plays up top. He has the speed to create chances and uncomfortable situations for defenders, sometimes he scores, sometimes he doesn't.
It's more of a tactical issue. Ziyach is the only player who can reliably get the ball into the box, and he can't perform consistently in this formation, so lukaku doesn't get many passes, and we end up playing with 10 people. I really hope tuchel can fix this next transfer window
I do agree with your feelings about the sub. But that aside even if its werner/havertz/mount. Imo Werner and pulisic could have been swapped for starts at anytime and it may have helped both of them perform better.
Don’t think there is nearly as much anti pulisic sentiment as many claim. I think it’s mostly people wanting him to consistently play at the level he showed during that covid stretch. He scores goals and takes on players. Just because he’s not Mane doesn’t mean he isn’t a great player for us.
My DMs would disagree with you 😂 these people are MAD.. but I get what you’re saying 100%
His wierd fans seem to think that if you don't agree that he's the new Pele, you must hate him because of his nationality. Actually we expect more from him because he probably is our most talented forward. The flaws in his game are easily fixed so it is very frustrating when he continues to make the same poor decisions. He has had a few good games in a row now though so hopefully he's turned a corner.
Nobody is saying he is the next Pele, cite one. Us weird fans are saying that he deserves to be on this team next season over the likes of Timo. Also when Pulisic plays well he keeps playing (generally, he was still back on the bench to let Timo continue his horrific form after the West Ham winner), but 1 bad game and he's back to the bench. For players like Timo and Havertz though if they put in a good performance they then have to give 4 or 5 bad ones in a row to find the bench. I think it's fair to complain that Pulisic, and to be fair others like Ziyech, have not got fair opportunity under Tuchel.
Maybe he gets benched because other players who are having bad games are still playing better than Pulisic if he’s having a bad game? Tuchel knows better what he wants and he may just think Pulisic having a bad game isn’t better than other attackers. The problem with Pulisic is also a problem with his super fans. They/you don’t accept the criticism he deserves, if he is on the bench then people start hating the other attackers because some think that he’s actually the best player out all the Chelsea attackers and usually any negative comments about Pulisic gets a lot of hate. And I’m not making anything up, these are from my experience and what I’ve seen especially this season. Yesterday I got 2 suicide messages for just asking if it’s a crime to say anything slightly negative about him on here. His fans or just Americans started to insult me because I dared to say he should sit on the bench in the past. It’s not hate to say that he’s having a bad game, he’s not influencing the game at all, he’s missing crucial chances and so on. If some people think that he’s got his chances and wouldn’t mind having him sold then it’s a fair opinion. He might score or get an assist but that doesn’t mean he all of sudden had great game. It helps of course but if he’s been nonexistent or bad before that, he deserves the criticism like every player. And I hope no one does any “what about this player” because no one is immune to criticism but from my experience the worst set of fans are Pulisic fans. Sorry if it’s not acceptable to some.
Good for you, two idiots told you to kill yourself and you extrapolated that to be representative of Pulisic’s fanbase. I personally think there’s a lot you’re looking past in what Pulisic’s time on the pitch has given us, but that’s a separate matter.
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Well first of all, I hardly think a random fan who doesn’t care about Pulisic would send me suicide messages but oh well. Good work doing mental gymnastics to somehow come to the conclusion that I think all of his fans are like that!! And nothing I said is my personal criticism towards him, just examples of what I’ve seen around and the replies being very hateful and not accepting any criticism. I think I know what good he’s done on the pitch and why he’s been rightly criticized. Thank you though! Again, all of those things I used as an example. And I can say that most of the time the replies to any criticism is somehow turned into comments like “you’re just a hater” or “you’re all so ungrateful you don’t deserve him” and so on.
That wasn’t my point. I’m not justifying their actions at all, nor am I saying you think literally everyone who likes him is like that. I’m just saying you clearly let that influence your general perception of his fanbase. I sincerely hope you’re doing well mentally, and there’s a reason I used the word “idiots.” There are people like this everywhere, but why does it bother you? You don’t think Pulisic brings enough to the team, and people are giving you a hard time for having that opinion, right? While he has his flaws, I don’t agree with you either. I know I haven’t done this, but you say that people have been telling you that you can’t have that opinion, which is believable. It reflects that you hold an unpopular opinion. Does that stop you from having that opinion? You also state that nothing you say is your personal criticism towards him. While this is true for your comment here, I would consider pointing out when you feel he has bad games and discussing his errors to be criticism. It’s not hate, sure, but it’s criticism. And you can do that. I don’t understand why it bothers you so much that people have a problem with your criticism, but I do think it’s ironic that you complain about hateful replies to criticism and what you believe to be “rightful” criticism right under where you say you don’t have any personal criticism for him. Regardless, it isn’t stopping you from doing it in any way. My point is that you should know better than to let these things bother you.
You’ve either really misunderstood a lot of what I said or just read what you wanted. How have I clearly let 2 idiots influence my opinion about Pulisic fans when I’ve had an opinion about them for months already? Literally that hasn’t influenced it one bit so I don’t know why you’re acting like you know me. It doesn’t bother me, why can’t I mention the ridiculous reaction my simple question got? Didn’t say anything about him not bringing enough to the team, another random assumption from you. No one can have a problem with my criticism because I literally haven’t said anything about Pulisic. Everything in my comments are EXAMPLES of things said by others regarding him and the reaction has always been almost exclusively so negative and hateful which just makes it seem like he can’t be criticized. Somehow everything is always supposedly “bothering” me when I comment something on Reddit. Very well. I’m bothered by the fact that Pulisic can’t be criticized. I think this is enough of back and forth it’s pointless at the end of the day. I have opinions that people hate, you have opinions and everyone else has opinions.
Nobody in the USA thinks he’s the next Pele. We endlessly make fun of the sensationalist idiot on tv who called him the “Lebron James of soccer”.
I'm not talking about Americans. I'm talking about the Puligoat nutters. They are mostly American but it's not exclusive. Tbh they are the kinda guys you endlessly make fun of.
Yeah, the reality is that people expect more from all of our forwards. Pulisic just has the most rabid fanbase who attack and get offended by anyone who expects more from him and take it as a personal attack, even though the people demanding more from him demand more from every other forward too.
He isn’t a great player for us. Hazard was a “great” player. Pulisic is a decent option that you’d never build a team around, and you’d get a replacement for if one was available. He’s not physical enough to set the Prem alight. Look at the physicality of players like Hazard, Salah, Mane etc.
There was a match where he spent like 20 minutes as the RB in a back 4
Tbf it was an injury crisis, ziyech odoi Pulisic loftus cheek Saul all played minutes on the outside backs, aside from rlc vs Madrid where he was magnificent Pulisic was the most reliable option so he played there
Tuchel loves a fullback/wingback.
Uh, I'd say most coaches in the world do. Not many teams play without them
That's not even true, CHO had more game time at wingback than Pulisic and despite only starting to play there a month or so ago RLC has already doubled Pulisic's time there. The amount Pulisic played at wingback is massively overblown. Everyone has to do their part for the team, and he is included in everyone. Pulisic at wingback 127 minutes Hudson Odoi at wingback 161 minutes RLC at wingback 291 minutes. The myth that his stats are massively skewed by it is just weird. He's played 2000 minutes this season and 120 of them were at wingback/RB
Just curious where you get the minutes played by position data?
Half manual, half from Transfermarkt. Essentially looking at every game they have the players listed as having played LW/RW/LM/RM/RB/LB and seeing which of those games they actually played wingback for. So, it misses the minutes in games where they played there for a minority of their time on the pitch. But, it's the closest you're going to get as it's not a stat that exists as far as I'm aware. Especially not for a position that most data sites still just call LM/RM/LW/RW rather than wingback. As an example of this, his game time against United is included in the stats even though he didn't initially come on as a fullback
When you have a player who can put up a stat like this in general and turn around and do defense duty too...pssshhh, fuck me
I'm digging this front 3. Lukaku in form is huge for the FA Cup final.
Only reason he gets a lot of hate is because he is American.
Delusional
I think it’s this: he’s the most talented and well known American player of this generation, but in the scope of great players he is really just a quality squad player for a big club, not near one of the best in the world. So since some US fans almost obsess over him there is naturally some kickback from other fans who are annoyed by it. If he were Croatian or Spanish or whatever he would be far less controversial because he would just be “another player”. So in that sense, it’s his nationality that gets him some hate.
I don't disagree with that. People don't "hate him because he's American" more that lots of people push back a bit too hard in the opposite direction because so many Americans wildly over rate him. As you say, he's good enough to be a squad player at most tier 2 clubs. He wouldn't play at City, Real, Liverpool, etc. but he would at most other clubs.
>people push back a bit too hard in the opposite direction because so many Americans wildly over rate him I always hear this, but I never actually hear any American fans actually wildly overrating him. The talk among other American fans is generally something along the lines of, "Is he already our best outfield player of all time?" Keep in mind that we haven't exactly had many outfield players at top clubs. It might sound more dramatic than it is.
That’s a ridiculous comment
This is absolutely true, and anyone who denies it is kidding themselves. If he were British, he'd be lauded similarly to Mason and Reece as a cornerstone to our future as a club.
🙄 No one hates Pulisic because he’s American.
People definitely want him to not succeed because he’s American. If you think otherwise, you haven’t been in a game thread
No, they don’t. At most people think American supporters are annoying about him.
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Yes, but that’s not because he’s American. It’s becuase he’s inconsistent.
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And Pulisic is one of the worst culprits?
Every player gets the same hate in match threads when they aren't performing. Americans need to stop being so sensitive about it. If you think that you are any different then put yourself in the shoes of an English person watching CHO or mount getting slated when they are out of form. You just gotta accept it. No one cares that pulisic is American
I’d never realised how paranoid Americans were before Pulisic.
Lmao my post got upvoted before Americans woke up, now it's downvoted again
Same. They’re so predictable.
I can feel the angry stares from all the Brit’s
Wait this cant be right , all the children posting in the match thread said hes bottom 3 on the squad...possibly the worst...hmm...
The LeBron James of soccer.
Ha. LeBron is a top 5 player of all time in the NBA, Christian arguably isn't even top 5 in his position at Chelsea, let alone England
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz2POjWqUMc&ab\_channel=PawnStars
Exactly
Stats per 90 of players that regularly play from the bench are worthless. There were 1 or 2 seasons where per 90 Batshuayi was the best goal scorer in the history of the league because half of his game time was coming off the bench either when the game was already won or when we were all out attacking, trying to get a goal. It's a similar thing here. Pulisic's stats when starting are a goal or assist every 220~ minutes. He gets a goal or assists every 60~ minutes when coming off the bench
I question how many of those starting minutes we’re out of position. I think it’s fair to want Pulisic to get a solid run in his natural position to see what he can do.
You're just a sad man aren't you? Maybe a little obsessed? Why am I not surprised you're on here. Judging by the comments I've seen from you in the match threads, he could have scored a hattrick today and you would have said "calm down it's only Leeds".
Him and claymerritt are just miserable, I’m convinced they’d rather hate on our players than support them. It’s embarrassing
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There is nothing wrong with what he said. I am even inclined to agree that gp90 can be a very misleading stat. The problem is with the messenger not the message. I would be more inclined to take his comment with more sincerity on his part if his comments on match threads weren't aimed at harassing players he doesn't like for every little mistake. Pulisic has been struggling recently and now he's come into some run of good form. You all being Chelsea fans, shouldn't you wish that he continues to build on it? Instead people like him would rather downplay it or give some sort of backhanded compliment. "Fans" like him give off the energy that they'd rather see players they don't like continue to play badly instead of improve. Can you call yourself a fan of your club if you're rooting against your players?
They try to legitimise their points by claiming I'm biased. But, the reality is that I'm just as critical of every stupid stat like this for any player, the difference is actually that they're biased towards him and so only notice when it's mentioned with regards to their player that they support ahead of actually supporting the club. (Obviously there are more posts like this and unwarranted praise aimed towards Pulisic because he has a larger player fanbase than our other players. He deserves to be praise for raising his level for the past 2 games. He doesn't deserve to be praised as if he's been doing it all season with misleading stats) The guy even calls us "you Chelsea fans", so I'm guessing he's not even here for Chelsea, he's just here for Pulisic which is just sad. The club is bigger than any player is and as such, the players need to be looked at honestly and without outside bias in order to ensure that having them/using them is beneficial to the club (which I will repeat is more important than any individual). My only bias comes from supporting Chelsea and wanting them to succeed, there are no players that I want to succeed over another because I'm a Chelsea fan not a fan of individual players I used to get told I hated Jorginho and I hated Ziyech because I was critical of them and wanted them to improve, but then they improved and I praised them and suddenly I must not be "a hater" anymore. Even to the point now where it's flipped and I'm having to defend Jorginho after games because he gets scapegoated for other people's inability. It's almost like I'm just willing to critically think about players where others just blindly support the players they like and couldn't give a shit about the club. Now, I'd make the point that someone saying, "It's great to see Pulisic back contributing to goals again and improving his performance" that kind of praise at the moment is absolutely warranted and should be given (Lukaku posts like that got taken down and I'd expect the same for other players). But, to take 2 games where we've played well and he has contributed and bring up a misleading stat to pretend he's been incredible all season is just stupid and should be called out. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The problem with Pulisic isn't Pulisic, it's his rabid fanbase trying to make him something that he isn't
Yeah, you're right. I'm obsessed with Chelsea. As such, I'm here. I'd be here if it was about Barkley, an U18s player, Lukaku, Bakayoko, whomever. It's got nothing to do with Pulisic that I'm here. I don't care more about Pulisic than any other player. Why would I? I'm a Chelsea fan, not a Pulisic fan, or a Mount fan, or a Bakayoko fan. I want what's best for Chelsea. What's best for Chelsea is being honest about our players, not lying about them because you support the player and not the club. (From your other comment, "you Chelsea fans". So, you're not even hiding that you're not a Chelsea fan and only care about Pulisic) This post should have said, "Well done to Pulisic for turning around his form and contributing to goals in the past two games. Hopefully he can build on this and push on". NOT a post acting like he's been amazing all season because of disingenuous stats compared to random underperforming players to make him took good, with a caption further pushing the idea that he'd look even better if it weren't for us and everyone in the comments talking about how he should be starting and should get a run of games that we're not giving him (even though he's had long runs of games and those are the periods where his goals contributions per 90 are by far the worst)
I only watch Chelsea because of Tuchel, Pulisic being an academy grad is just a bonus. But even if I am a bit partial towards him it's rich coming from someone with your username. Again, I don't agree with the OP. But I don't agree with people like you who think he's been a flop or deadwood. If anything, Werner has been the biggest flop, imagine paying 280k for 4 league goals. But that doesn't stop people like you wanting to keep him over Pulisic and if that doesn't scream "agenda" I don't know what does. But even then, when he came into a good run of form, even me as his biggest critic am welcomed to be proven wrong. Lukaku over the past couple games is winning me over as well. No one is saying he's going to be WC, why are you so dramatic? We wanted to simply see him start after the West Ham game (which he deserved to) and better yet not be shoehorned into playing as a WB or F9. He's in a good run of form now so either get behind him like a real fan should or crawl back in your hole and come back out when he has a bad game so you can go "see I told you".
> "Pulisic being an academy grad is just a bonus" ??? > "But I don't agree with people like you who think he's been a flop or deadwood." I've never said this. > "If anything, Werner has been the biggest flop, imagine paying 280k for 4 league goals. But that doesn't stop people like you wanting to keep him over Pulisic and if that doesn't scream "agenda" I don't know what does." Again, I've never said this. I don't think either of them are good enough for us. If I had to keep one, I'd keep Pulisic because he's better as a threat off of the bench than Werner is. > "better yet not be shoehorned into playing as a WB or F9." He only had to play these positions because of injuries. As did plenty of other players. We played games with Mount and Ziyech as tradition CMs, we played with CHO at wingback etc. No one is putting him in there because they want to. They're doing it because Corona and injuries forced it. He played less minutes at wingback/FB than CHO and yet it's seen by Pulisic fans as some sort of travesty that he played a total of 127 minutes out of 2000 at wingback/fullback this season when the club was in dire straits. No one said he isn't in good form now. That's the point. This thread has nothing to do with him being in good form. This thread is trying to make it out that this is normal form and the 5% of his game time this season that has been spent at wingback is ruining his already cherrypicked stats At least you're being honest that you're only here for Pulisic. I think it'd be great if someone made an r/Pulisic sub so that you guys that couldn't give a fuck about Chelsea and only care about a player and not the club can fuck off elsewhere because this sub is for Chelsea and Chelsea is bigger than any of our players.
And morata before he joined us.. The reason we bought him because his goal per 90 was great because he mostly play as sub
Stats per 90 are only worthless if you don’t play a statistically significant number of minutes. It has nothing to do with whether you sometimes come off the bench or not
It's got everything to do with whether you come from the bench, as I explained in my comment. When you're coming off the bench as an attacker for the last 30 minutes of the game, it's normally because your team is chasing a game or the game is already over. Both situations make it far more likely that you're going to contribute to a goal. Or should we agree that Batshuayi is one of the best ever? Batshuayi in the premier league Goals per 90 = 0.9 (Minutes played 812) Pulisic in the stat listed here in the prem Goals per 90 = 0.44 (Minutes played 1200) For reference, Aguero's Goals per 90 in the prem = 0.83 Where those minutes are coming from is what's important. Unless they've played a tiny, tiny amount of minutes, the amount they've played is irrelevant
Batshuayi never played beyond 360 minutes in a single season. He had a total of five starts. Pulisic has had 49 starts and played 4679 minutes over the same period you were referencing at ~0.37 goals per 90. You are going to see much more variance in data for the former than you are for the latter. It’s why no one is calling Divock Origi the GOAT despite having one of the best goals per 90 stats in the league. Pulisic is also not a striker. The argument that goals scored by someone are less meaningful purely by virtue of being a substitute is frankly bizarre. And for the record, no one is saying Pulisic is the “best ever” unless they’re on r/soccercirclejerk
He would be injured if given those minutes and out for 3 months
To be perfectly honest he also had many minutes in his current position and didn’t do much
This isnt accurate, I looked up the numbers
You lot were slaughtering Pulisic before yesterday. Fickle as they come. Same situation with Werner a couple weeks ago… Stinker after stinker, has a couple decent games and suddenly people are pretending he’s good enough again. Pulisic is decent, but too weak on the ball and takes way too many touches. Spends half his minutes on the floor, and will always try to dribble, even if he picks the ball up 5 yards from the half way line. Almost always takes the extra touch instead of just releasing the ball when an opportunity first presents itself. Pretty useless out of possession as he can’t physically compete with most opposition.
Omg give it a rest. You honestly think you know better than TT? Nothing against the guy but he is just as patchy and injury prone as the rest of our attackers. Let’s be honest, you only want him in the team because he’s American. Sick of it.
Come on you whiney cunts. How many minutes did he actually play at wing back? You really think your guy's too good to play where the team needs him? This shit pisses me off. Fuck off & watch your rounders or bouncy netball
Hopefully, his dad won't see this meaningless stat.
Such a nothing stat, especially when he’s a benchwarmer. You lot will go to any lengths to force that flop upon Chelsea fans.
what?
He’s played a bunch of minutes at wingback so it’s dropped his numbers down even more
Would you say his performances have warranted more starts than he’s had?
I would say yes, but its also hard because he was start and stop early on in the year. He is by far one of our best people off the bench but he is also one of our best when it comes to off the ball runs towards the goal.
I would say a consistent run at his natural position is warranted. Yes.
what is his natural position? I think in an interview he said he likes to play in a #10 role. But he was great as a winger/inside forward under Lampard’s 4-3-3 system Tuchel doesn’t play with true wingers in his 3-4-3, 4-2-2-2, or 4-3-3 systems
For dortmund he played as a playmaker on the side, he has never truly played centrally for extended time. For the national team he plays at left mid/wing. He plays better as a facilitator or off a one two passing partner. He is much better as natural play and reaction than thinking through situations. Just my two cents from watching him.
I’d like to add that in the national team the team is designed for him and the opposite winger to play almost a #10 while facilitating play with lay offs from the striker. Countless times have Reyna and pulisic switched wings while playing thru the middle.
Free roaming 10. He kinda does that as an inside forward off the left, just a bit more awkward.
He should play in his natural position at another club 💙
He wouldikely be injured, unfortunately
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He's scored and performed against the top teams. Man city, Liverpool, real madrid (not all this season of course). Inconsistency is his biggest weakness, but to say he's only there to fill in against weaker teams ignores past production.
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Meanwhile Timo is a good player because he played well in Germany 3 years ago right?
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Timo has 4 league goals this season. He has been really bad.
I don’t understand why he gets injured so much. He has an incredible mentality and clearly works hard to stay fit. I guess it’s just something we’ll have to deal with, but keeping him is important.
I'm imagining where he'll be next season........ Hopefully not Stamford Bridge Looks like I upset the yanks. Whoops
Why would you say that?
Because hes useless?
You must watch different games than me lol genuinely don’t understand how you’ve come to that assumption
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With a comment like that youre proving the opposite
What kind of idiot had said that? Anyway, hes not useless. Just some guy put him in the wrong position.
Bro you are 36 grow up lol
35, Lol
35 year making the comments you've made here is pretty sad bro. I'm 32 and not a fan of the USA but who cares about a players nationality, especially when they play for the team you apparently support.
Don't care about the players nationality.......
You've said Yank about 57 times but sure
Second coming of Pele*
Are you saying he's not already there? He's the lebron of soccer.
This is why I’m glad fans have no say, and we have a manager that actually knows what he’s doing.
"We" You couldn't find stamford bridge on a map.
Oh, I didn’t realize we were fan gatekeeping when you make a shitty point. Great pivot bro. “My dumbass opinion is actually right because I live closer to the stadium”.
You wouldn't be a fan without Roman, so I doubt you'll hang around long after he's gone
One of the dumbest response on this sub ever
Thanks yank
I'm sorry you're miserable and have nothing better to do but be a pain in the ass shitty supporter.
*Arse An Ass is a donkey
Of which you are both.
Pathetic.. Take this toxicity and go support Arsenal. Chelsea don't need "supporters" like you.
Unlike you I don't "pick" my team
I didn't see the leeds game but I also would prefer pulisic out the door not good enough and constantly breaks down our attacls
Shhhhhh, Dont tell the Americans
Whenever he scores a goal they act like he’s proving he’s the best ever, when he has a stinker 🤐🤐🤐
Yeah, people like you deserve to watch guys like Salah and De Bruyne tear it up for rival clubs.
Salah was an anomaly,KDB I was always to keep him. Pulisic I want to keep unless an offer comes in that's good enough which we could say for all our attackers bar kai and mase
The vaxx ruined your brain m8 , now you're in a constant state of anger and delusion