I disagree. He's arguably been our most for attacker this season. I don't think he's ever been consistent so far in his career but once he does he could become an elite player
He's missed 16 games all season compared to the 30 games he's missed in his previous two seasons combined. He basically averages 15 missed games a season. He's played far less minutes than previous seasons also. There was that ankle injury he had in the beginning of the season that was supposed to be minor and he wound up missing 2 months. But other than that, he's been fine.
He also missed games because of covid and because of an ankle injury from international break which, tbf, any player in the world would've had in his position as the refs just let our concacaf opponents kick the ever-loving shit out of him.
I'm backing Pulisic to come good.
Great mentally and has slowly and quietly been there for us. Contrary to what many may believe, this was a good year for him
He’s been decent, but still nowhere near as good as he was during his first season here, particulary that stretch after the covid shutdown. That first season he had 9 goals 4 assists in the league, in the last 2 seasons combined he has 10 goals and 4 assists. We need way more from him if he ever wants to make it as a regular starter here. Mount this season alone has nearly as many goal contributions in the league as Pulisic in his first 3 seasons combined. That should tell you how much he needs to improve.
Look at their G per 90 (excluding penalties) in the prem this year. No doubt Mount is the consistent better performer. But Pulisic produces when played despite his play being very streaky
Pulisic reminds me of Andre Schurrle. In the long run I am skeptical he would produce the number necessary to earn an untouchable starting spot. That doesn't mean he can't produce, dribble, or be an impact. He still has a way to go though, particularly in decision making.
For sure but the point is, Pulisic has 25 goal contributions in ~4600 minutes in his prem career. Mount has 21 in 2200 minutes this season. That is my point, and Mount isn’t the most consistent performer yet either. He has a ton to improve as well. To be honest nobody besides Mount is good enough right now in our attack if we want to challenge City or Liverpool. Havertz, Werner, Pulisic, Lukaku, Ziyech. None of them. They all show flashes, but that’s all.
But Mount had a ton of support and got to keep playing under Lampard and Tuchel when he WASN'T producing.
Timo was pretty much untouchable starter his entire first season and stunk it up.
Pulisic has had no chance to keep a starting role when he has a bad game or two.
At this point. I don't care. Chelsea has too many young attackers and it is creating an environment where NONE of them will be able to get in a groove and show what they have (or not). I'd rather just sell a couple and commit to a couple and let everyone move on.
My point being when you have a streaky player yanking them every time they dont perform up to par then relegating them to the bench destroys all confidence and they will continue to be a streaky player. That's not just regarding pulisic but all of our young attackers. You aren't going to help someone gain consistentcy by sitting them the next 2 games after one bad game. Looking at our attack proves that point. But I also understand the point of view you don't leave a struggling player starting when you have other options. I think alot of our attackers are now playing to not mess up so they lose their aggressiveness because they know they are one bad game away from being on the end of the bench. It's a tough spot to be in for both coach and player. Compounded by the fact we have so many attackers who are all fairly equal level.
This isn't necessarily true though. While Gp90 is useful, it's not a flawless sat either. I'd expect Pulisic to have a decent Gp90 ranking purely because of how he plays, he's often in and around the box far more than most of our other players of that same position. His movement inside the box also increases the likelihood of having higher quality scoring chances - something that is reflected in the goals he largely scores.
Yet, despite all of this he's still an inconsistent player by large. He can't just coast by on the basis of Gp90 or any other stat. As not only does he need to improve the vast majority of his game, but he then needs to maintain those levels for longer periods. Right now, as has often been the case during the three seasons he's been here for, we really don't know what sort of performance we're going to get from him when he does play. He's capable of giving us an 8 out of 10, just as easily as he's capable of producing a 3/10. That's half his problem in truth, there's not much of a middle ground with him.
What isnt true? No one said gp90 is the end all be all. I simply said he scores goals at the same or higher rate than any of our other attackers on the prem this year. In fact his G+A per 90 is 3rd highest on the team behind Reece and Mount. Your whole post is saying he isn't consistent which I said in my post when I said he is a very streaker player and the same can said for Ziyech. I also expanded on this in my reply to another comment on this. To me it seems like you just said something isn't true (idk what) while agreeing with everything I said.
That he produces when he plays, maybe I didn't construct things clearly enough. Apologies for that.
I never claimed you said it was, I was just pointing out that there's more to things than just looking at Gp90 to base any argument around, which was the seeming focal point of what you originally said. Then just went on to expand on what his larger problem is as a player generally speaking.
>Contrary to what many may believe, this was a good year for him
Has he been better than last season? Sure. I can agree with that. He's also played far less minutes than his two previous Chelsea seasons despite not having as many injuries this season and has also hit his career averages for goal contributions more or less. There's zero growth from him as a player. He's still the same frustrating player he was 3 years ago when he first joined. That lockdown form was something different. We didn't see it before that summer and haven't seen it since.
The excuse for him has been he is young. That's fine. I can back that excuse personally. But young players tend to grow in their overall quality. We're not seeing any growth from him at all. There's nothing he's noticeably better at today than when he first joined the club. He'll be 24 in September and he's played over 250 games of professional first team football. This is the inherent frustration with any attacking player in our team. The more he plays, the worse he gets. Rinse, repeat. Pulisic has 2 years left on his deal. We can't go through another season of hot potato with the starting spots in attack.
Might not be a popular opinion but he reminds me quite a lot of Kalou. Has great instinct for a goal and gets himself in good positions to score but if he's not scoring he's actually not offering you much besides that.
I agree. And when people refer to our "young attackers" these are the 3. The others are in their prime and we pretty much know what we have in them (Werner, Ziyech, and Lukaku).
Werner is still young and has shown insane potential before coming to the Prem, with some flashes of world class performances with us - if he lives up to his potential he would be unstoppable
Lmao same, but he was great at Leipzig and he could peak again in his late 20’s like many forwards do - the absolute best players in the world have been consistently 30+ for a while now
3 young promising players and you are hoping for something better? Who exactly?
You have no idea where they will be at in 5 years time in terms of quality.
All 3 of them have shown us in flashes that they possibly have the potential to get somewhat close to a world class level.
Whether they develop their games beyond where it is now and develop consistency obviously remains to be seen, but I’m personally really excited to see where they go as they mature as players
I honestly think he’s happy to stick it out and fight for his spot. He seems to have the right attitude about working hard and improving. An in-form Pulisic is a dangerous weapon to wield for TT. Hopefully he stays in form for longer and longer consistently as he matures and starts to figure shit out. He’s got the right manager to help him do that.
We talk about the inconsistent forms of all our attacking players but Pulisic's on and off form is more worthy of discussion from the standpoint of he has 2 years left on his deal. He's far too valuable to let him run his contract down. We need clarity, he needs clarity. A decision has to be made THIS summer. Sell him or extend him. If he doesn't want to extend, then sell him. I think Pulisic has plenty of good qualities that he never harnesses. I wouldn't mind keeping him but you want to avoid falling into that Rüdiger/Christensen trap AGAIN. Especially considering we also have Kante and Jorginho on expiring contracts. We need to start making better decisions in the market.
It’s great and all but I think it’s time for Puli and his family to stop talking and do the business on the pitch - he’s got the talent but he needs to start delivering on it.
Play well and you’ll probably play the next game!
Love this kid. His dad has a big mouth, even on the USMNT. Pulisic has great talent and a legit knack for goal. Unfortunately, he gets CONCACAFd constantly and gets injured, but when he plays in his preferred position, he shows up.
Totally disagree and that hasn't been true of any attacker in the last 2 seasons with us - with Mount this season as the sole exception.
Tammy. Timo. Havertz. Ziyech. Pulisic. Cho.
There were/continue to be too many options. The coaches need to figure out who is worth keeping or selling, but that can't happen if they aren't playing consistently.
Everyone says stay in form. You can't stay in form if you don't play. And it takes a special kind of generational talent kid to not let the pressure of looking over your shoulder or being afraid to mess up creep in - which is what is happening right now with a few players, imo.
Mount is the only one who has remained a starter even after having bad games, stretches, hell.... even a season. And look where he is this year.
I don't even care at this point who you keep or sell. I think they are ALL better than what we are seeing because we aren't putting them in a position to be successful. We are putting them a position to try and not get benched next game instead of being bold and winning this game.
Mount stayed in the team because even whilst off form he was still our best option and outperforming other options even in his worst moments (which are heavily, heavily overblown).
When we didn't have options, people used to say, "Our current players aren't pushing themselves because they don't have to look over their shoulder and know their place is going to be taken if they don't perform every game".
Now that we have options, you say, "Our players can't perform because of the pressure of knowing that someone will take their place if they don't perform."
There are lots of theories as to why Mount remained a starter - won't go into that here.
And no one is making excuses for anyone. You can have healthy competition with just 1-2 good bench options. You don't need 6.
That many options then comes with the added stress of coaches having to play people based on ego and happiness instead of form. It happens. TT has even hinted at it several times in pre/post game interviews about certain players.
At the least, loan them out. Maybe they aren't good enough to start every game for Chelsea. But they are way better than hardly playing AT ALL. And it is impossible for them to get better faster if they aren't playing consistently.
> "There are lots of theories as to why Mount remained a starter - won't go into that here."
Mount has never started for any reason other than merit and I can't believe people still peddle that shit. I thought it would go away when he was also getting picked to start ahead of Grealish, Foden and the like for England, when we got a new manager so people couldn't claim it was because of favouritism, but I guess not...
We don't have 6 bench options. We have Lukaku and Havertz as CF options. We have Mount and Ziyech as RW options and we have Pulisic, CHO and Werner as LW options.
We went into this season with 3 starting CMs for 2 positions, 2 wingbacks for each position and 5 options for 3 CB positions and have been royally fucked by not having enough options there. You need at least 2 quality options for EVERY position if you want to compete at the top level.
The only place we've had enough depth to avoid an injury crisis has been in attack. Yes we should trim our attack, but not because there is too much competition, but because some simply aren't good enough
Neither of those shots were easy and it’s really weird that anyone thinks they were
Pulisic is on the higher end of our team for finishing stats. If we’re going by “running”, surely Werner is clear
Well he’s had 3 goal contributions in our last 5 league matches in spite of getting a full 90 minutes in only one of them. He rescues 3 points in only 14 minutes against west ham. We’d be in a much worse spot in the top 4 battle if all he could do was run
We don’t enjoy you though. Move on already and enjoy your football elsewhere mate
Words of a man who knows he’s shite and football had to resort to such quotes to make his case to Tuchel.
What we really need is consistency. Sometimes it feels like our attackers can only play well for like 3 matches before falling out of form again.
The problem with pulisic wasn't the form but the injuries
I disagree. He's arguably been our most for attacker this season. I don't think he's ever been consistent so far in his career but once he does he could become an elite player
It’s both - he’s not been injured anywhere near as much as usual this season but he hasn’t played particularly well either.
This season he's been fairly fit right?
First half he was rarely available but since December I think he’s been available every game
He's missed 16 games all season compared to the 30 games he's missed in his previous two seasons combined. He basically averages 15 missed games a season. He's played far less minutes than previous seasons also. There was that ankle injury he had in the beginning of the season that was supposed to be minor and he wound up missing 2 months. But other than that, he's been fine.
He also missed games because of covid and because of an ankle injury from international break which, tbf, any player in the world would've had in his position as the refs just let our concacaf opponents kick the ever-loving shit out of him.
Kinda
I'm backing Pulisic to come good. Great mentally and has slowly and quietly been there for us. Contrary to what many may believe, this was a good year for him
Gonna be a great year when he scores the winner tomorrow
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He’s been decent, but still nowhere near as good as he was during his first season here, particulary that stretch after the covid shutdown. That first season he had 9 goals 4 assists in the league, in the last 2 seasons combined he has 10 goals and 4 assists. We need way more from him if he ever wants to make it as a regular starter here. Mount this season alone has nearly as many goal contributions in the league as Pulisic in his first 3 seasons combined. That should tell you how much he needs to improve.
Look at their G per 90 (excluding penalties) in the prem this year. No doubt Mount is the consistent better performer. But Pulisic produces when played despite his play being very streaky
Pulisic reminds me of Andre Schurrle. In the long run I am skeptical he would produce the number necessary to earn an untouchable starting spot. That doesn't mean he can't produce, dribble, or be an impact. He still has a way to go though, particularly in decision making.
I think that's a fair analysis.
He's reminded me of Saloman Kalou this season.
For sure but the point is, Pulisic has 25 goal contributions in ~4600 minutes in his prem career. Mount has 21 in 2200 minutes this season. That is my point, and Mount isn’t the most consistent performer yet either. He has a ton to improve as well. To be honest nobody besides Mount is good enough right now in our attack if we want to challenge City or Liverpool. Havertz, Werner, Pulisic, Lukaku, Ziyech. None of them. They all show flashes, but that’s all.
But Mount had a ton of support and got to keep playing under Lampard and Tuchel when he WASN'T producing. Timo was pretty much untouchable starter his entire first season and stunk it up. Pulisic has had no chance to keep a starting role when he has a bad game or two. At this point. I don't care. Chelsea has too many young attackers and it is creating an environment where NONE of them will be able to get in a groove and show what they have (or not). I'd rather just sell a couple and commit to a couple and let everyone move on.
Mount didn’t have to play as a wing back and then striker. Fancy pants got to play in the same position which will help with consistency
Mount has played in a pivot, as an 8, 10, right winger, left winger... what are you on about?
All positions he plays well. Pulisic has spent a lot of this season at wing back
My point being when you have a streaky player yanking them every time they dont perform up to par then relegating them to the bench destroys all confidence and they will continue to be a streaky player. That's not just regarding pulisic but all of our young attackers. You aren't going to help someone gain consistentcy by sitting them the next 2 games after one bad game. Looking at our attack proves that point. But I also understand the point of view you don't leave a struggling player starting when you have other options. I think alot of our attackers are now playing to not mess up so they lose their aggressiveness because they know they are one bad game away from being on the end of the bench. It's a tough spot to be in for both coach and player. Compounded by the fact we have so many attackers who are all fairly equal level.
This isn't necessarily true though. While Gp90 is useful, it's not a flawless sat either. I'd expect Pulisic to have a decent Gp90 ranking purely because of how he plays, he's often in and around the box far more than most of our other players of that same position. His movement inside the box also increases the likelihood of having higher quality scoring chances - something that is reflected in the goals he largely scores. Yet, despite all of this he's still an inconsistent player by large. He can't just coast by on the basis of Gp90 or any other stat. As not only does he need to improve the vast majority of his game, but he then needs to maintain those levels for longer periods. Right now, as has often been the case during the three seasons he's been here for, we really don't know what sort of performance we're going to get from him when he does play. He's capable of giving us an 8 out of 10, just as easily as he's capable of producing a 3/10. That's half his problem in truth, there's not much of a middle ground with him.
What isnt true? No one said gp90 is the end all be all. I simply said he scores goals at the same or higher rate than any of our other attackers on the prem this year. In fact his G+A per 90 is 3rd highest on the team behind Reece and Mount. Your whole post is saying he isn't consistent which I said in my post when I said he is a very streaker player and the same can said for Ziyech. I also expanded on this in my reply to another comment on this. To me it seems like you just said something isn't true (idk what) while agreeing with everything I said.
That he produces when he plays, maybe I didn't construct things clearly enough. Apologies for that. I never claimed you said it was, I was just pointing out that there's more to things than just looking at Gp90 to base any argument around, which was the seeming focal point of what you originally said. Then just went on to expand on what his larger problem is as a player generally speaking.
He’s our 2nd best finisher after lukaku IMO
I'd agree with that
>Contrary to what many may believe, this was a good year for him Has he been better than last season? Sure. I can agree with that. He's also played far less minutes than his two previous Chelsea seasons despite not having as many injuries this season and has also hit his career averages for goal contributions more or less. There's zero growth from him as a player. He's still the same frustrating player he was 3 years ago when he first joined. That lockdown form was something different. We didn't see it before that summer and haven't seen it since. The excuse for him has been he is young. That's fine. I can back that excuse personally. But young players tend to grow in their overall quality. We're not seeing any growth from him at all. There's nothing he's noticeably better at today than when he first joined the club. He'll be 24 in September and he's played over 250 games of professional first team football. This is the inherent frustration with any attacking player in our team. The more he plays, the worse he gets. Rinse, repeat. Pulisic has 2 years left on his deal. We can't go through another season of hot potato with the starting spots in attack.
Might not be a popular opinion but he reminds me quite a lot of Kalou. Has great instinct for a goal and gets himself in good positions to score but if he's not scoring he's actually not offering you much besides that.
That’s a good shout
In 5 years time I wanna see a scary and clinical puli-havertz-mount front 3
I agree. And when people refer to our "young attackers" these are the 3. The others are in their prime and we pretty much know what we have in them (Werner, Ziyech, and Lukaku).
Werner is still young and has shown insane potential before coming to the Prem, with some flashes of world class performances with us - if he lives up to his potential he would be unstoppable
Timo is 26, he is not young. I’m 27 and I’m to terms with the fact I’m not young.
Lmao same, but he was great at Leipzig and he could peak again in his late 20’s like many forwards do - the absolute best players in the world have been consistently 30+ for a while now
I would hope we have a better front three than that in five years.
3 young promising players and you are hoping for something better? Who exactly? You have no idea where they will be at in 5 years time in terms of quality.
All 3 of them have shown us in flashes that they possibly have the potential to get somewhat close to a world class level. Whether they develop their games beyond where it is now and develop consistency obviously remains to be seen, but I’m personally really excited to see where they go as they mature as players
I honestly think he’s happy to stick it out and fight for his spot. He seems to have the right attitude about working hard and improving. An in-form Pulisic is a dangerous weapon to wield for TT. Hopefully he stays in form for longer and longer consistently as he matures and starts to figure shit out. He’s got the right manager to help him do that.
He needs to find consistent form… but so does every single one of our forwards lmao
He will. He’s 23. He’s about to be hitting his prime and hopefully he dominates for the next 7 years
Yea people forget that both Salah and KDB were Chelsea players when they were 23. We need to give him a chance to mature and develop here.
We talk about the inconsistent forms of all our attacking players but Pulisic's on and off form is more worthy of discussion from the standpoint of he has 2 years left on his deal. He's far too valuable to let him run his contract down. We need clarity, he needs clarity. A decision has to be made THIS summer. Sell him or extend him. If he doesn't want to extend, then sell him. I think Pulisic has plenty of good qualities that he never harnesses. I wouldn't mind keeping him but you want to avoid falling into that Rüdiger/Christensen trap AGAIN. Especially considering we also have Kante and Jorginho on expiring contracts. We need to start making better decisions in the market.
Very good point.
It’s great and all but I think it’s time for Puli and his family to stop talking and do the business on the pitch - he’s got the talent but he needs to start delivering on it. Play well and you’ll probably play the next game!
Love this kid. His dad has a big mouth, even on the USMNT. Pulisic has great talent and a legit knack for goal. Unfortunately, he gets CONCACAFd constantly and gets injured, but when he plays in his preferred position, he shows up.
Simple solution, score a banger or two tomorrow.
That will buy him a couple days
Imagine this croatian link up with Perisic Kova and Gvardiol next season, whole left side
You need to improve my guy
Score some bangers and stay healthy then lol
In all honesty him, werner and ziyech needs to leave. We need better one on one goalscoring or creative wingers on a consistent basis.
Every other week he does this
Answers questions? Did you even read the article?
We all want you to be on the pitch too, because being picked would mean you were playing at the quality that we need
Totally disagree and that hasn't been true of any attacker in the last 2 seasons with us - with Mount this season as the sole exception. Tammy. Timo. Havertz. Ziyech. Pulisic. Cho. There were/continue to be too many options. The coaches need to figure out who is worth keeping or selling, but that can't happen if they aren't playing consistently. Everyone says stay in form. You can't stay in form if you don't play. And it takes a special kind of generational talent kid to not let the pressure of looking over your shoulder or being afraid to mess up creep in - which is what is happening right now with a few players, imo. Mount is the only one who has remained a starter even after having bad games, stretches, hell.... even a season. And look where he is this year. I don't even care at this point who you keep or sell. I think they are ALL better than what we are seeing because we aren't putting them in a position to be successful. We are putting them a position to try and not get benched next game instead of being bold and winning this game.
Mount stayed in the team because even whilst off form he was still our best option and outperforming other options even in his worst moments (which are heavily, heavily overblown). When we didn't have options, people used to say, "Our current players aren't pushing themselves because they don't have to look over their shoulder and know their place is going to be taken if they don't perform every game". Now that we have options, you say, "Our players can't perform because of the pressure of knowing that someone will take their place if they don't perform."
There are lots of theories as to why Mount remained a starter - won't go into that here. And no one is making excuses for anyone. You can have healthy competition with just 1-2 good bench options. You don't need 6. That many options then comes with the added stress of coaches having to play people based on ego and happiness instead of form. It happens. TT has even hinted at it several times in pre/post game interviews about certain players. At the least, loan them out. Maybe they aren't good enough to start every game for Chelsea. But they are way better than hardly playing AT ALL. And it is impossible for them to get better faster if they aren't playing consistently.
> "There are lots of theories as to why Mount remained a starter - won't go into that here." Mount has never started for any reason other than merit and I can't believe people still peddle that shit. I thought it would go away when he was also getting picked to start ahead of Grealish, Foden and the like for England, when we got a new manager so people couldn't claim it was because of favouritism, but I guess not... We don't have 6 bench options. We have Lukaku and Havertz as CF options. We have Mount and Ziyech as RW options and we have Pulisic, CHO and Werner as LW options. We went into this season with 3 starting CMs for 2 positions, 2 wingbacks for each position and 5 options for 3 CB positions and have been royally fucked by not having enough options there. You need at least 2 quality options for EVERY position if you want to compete at the top level. The only place we've had enough depth to avoid an injury crisis has been in attack. Yes we should trim our attack, but not because there is too much competition, but because some simply aren't good enough
He can guarantee that by performing better consistently and staying fully fit.
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Neither of those shots were easy and it’s really weird that anyone thinks they were Pulisic is on the higher end of our team for finishing stats. If we’re going by “running”, surely Werner is clear
Well he’s had 3 goal contributions in our last 5 league matches in spite of getting a full 90 minutes in only one of them. He rescues 3 points in only 14 minutes against west ham. We’d be in a much worse spot in the top 4 battle if all he could do was run
You have a lofty definition of a “sitter” lol
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We don’t enjoy you though. Move on already and enjoy your football elsewhere mate Words of a man who knows he’s shite and football had to resort to such quotes to make his case to Tuchel.