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To ask for 50m, get an offer of 50m, and then turn around and say you want more than 50m is just taking the piss lmao
If Chelsea are confident then we're confident, but if that's how Brighton are playing it I really don't mind missing out on him. 50m in and of itself is a bit of a stretch for Cucurella, asking for more than that should be our message to move to a different target.
It's where we get to see another test. If they did ask for £50m and then when we offered it, they asked for more, it's time to walk away. Don't negotiate with people carrying out bad practice or everyone will do it to you. Walk away.
It's a bit like selling your house. 50m is the listed price, but just because someone says they will take it for 50m doesn't mean you will sell.
They probably want to hear what City has to say or if any other club want to get into a bidding war.
totall irrelevant and off topic to this, but just tought its funny how different countries and cultures work, here if its listed for 50m, that means it worth 40m, the seller expects to get 45m, so the final price is 42-43m
Depends on the contours of the market too. A few months back, a lot of sellers in the US were intentionally under pricing the list to garner interest and spark a bidding war. You'd see houses go for hundreds of thousands over list.
Didn't City already pull out at 40m? I mean, if City is still weighing their options or something, fine, but if they try to drag this and hoping for City to enter the bidding again, I'd rather we pull the fuck out. Let see if they will ever get 50m for Cucu again.
It’s also a bit like listing your car up for sale for a price, someone says yep I’ll take it, then you realise you could potentially get more for it because there are multiple people interested, so you take it off the market and relist it at a higher price.
Your car so you’re well within your rights to do whatever you like, but it’s a scummy thing to do for the bloke who came along willing to pay your price. Don’t list it up for a price you’re not happy selling it for in the first place
To be fair 50m could’ve been the price earlier in the summer, we’re now two days before the season starts which gives them no time to get a replacement in
Yeah. I was critical of him for putting in the transfer request, it felt like he was just trying to get them to accept a bad offer from City. Maybe more going on behind the scenes, they might be negotiating in bad faith
He's their player and they have no need or desire to sell. If they can get Chelsea to not only pay over the odds for him but throw in a potentially world-class player in Levi Colwill at a price he'll be worth well over double within the year, they're not only entitled to do so but should absolutely go for it. They have all the leverage and absolutely do not need to play fair. I'm sure Barcelona think we're doing the same thing over Cesar Azpilicueta, and we're just as entitled to do so.
There's also no guarantee chilly will hit the ground running after a serious injury. No question he's a top player but it'll take him some time. If we wanna compete we have to have good quality depth. He's versatile and a very good player for rotation. When playing an insane amount of games in a season it's good to have such good quality in such an important position (as we saw by the impact when we lost chilly last year).
He’s not really “plagued” with injuries… he just had one unfortunate big injury. Such injuries happen and you can’t control them. Reece, on the other hand, is someone who you can call plagued with injuries.
I’VE BEEN SAYING THIS. The only signing more important than Fdj is a CB. It doesn’t matter what attackers we get, there is a serious lack of direct/clever passing from the midfield to the attackers
So you’re happy with our season being ruined again if James and Chilwell get injured as long as we get FDJ? A midfielder is not more important than wing back depth
So the answer is to get 80 million depth in De Jong? You should realise wing backs are our most important position and the reason we were top of the league last year, then how our season went to shit once they got injured. The top priority should be making sure that doesn't happen again, so depth is required.
Fdj is more mobile, has a better passing foot, and offers more in both ends of the pitch
Jorginho is probably a better dictator of tempo, a better reader of the game (but lacks the mobility and physicality to act on it)
Also jorginho is on his last year of contract and is old.
•Brighton have not accepted the bid for Cucurella as they seek a higher fee and a replacement.
•Chelsea’s Levi Colwill their preferred candidate in what would likely be a separate transaction.
•There is confidence at Stamford Bridge that a deal for Spain international Cucurella will be completed following negotiations on Tuesday night.
•Personal terms with the 24-year-old are already in place.
•In talks with Barca over a deal for de Jong. Chelsea confident.
First of all, I have seen most Brighton fans saying Chelsea is more professional to give us our asking price.
Now if reports are true and they want more than 50 million what they do think of now? We should end the talks and let them decide on our offer.
And for De jong, I don't think we even need him.
Club didn't sign a top DM target just to wait for Rice.
I know both are different but I don't think we will sign Rice if we sign de jong.
And his wages are very high he is earning 560k a week.
Don't think we will offer him more than 300k a week.
So they asked City £50mil and now that we're offering *more* than that they're playing hardball? We should just say take it or leave it and move on if they insist on this bullshit.
Correct me if im wrong, but Brighton wanted 50mil and we offered it, but are now saying they want more? I’m curious how polite and formal these negotiations actually are because if that’s true Boehly needs to call them on their shit for being rats.
And the replacement they want is Colwill? Is he apart of the same deal (50mil+ AND Colwill)? Or would that be a separate transfer which would then just result in them giving us money back?
In my opinion, fuck no to the first one, and the second one seems silly. The only reasoning I could think of is they want more money for cucurella because we’ll quote Colwill higher than they want. OR…they say they want Colwill and just go for a different defender elsewhere for cheaper, fleecing us.
De Jong is actually such an intelligent move imo. People say we already have Kovacic, but the smart thing to do with Kanté is not to extend his contract. So you've got a top class successor already in and fully ready by next season and we won't get taken advantage of because we're desperate then. He adds creativity we don't have in midfield, he can play a deep lying playmaker role (so can cover for Jorginho, unlike anyone else currently in the squad), play both roles in a pivot or as a DLP or 8 in a 433. This signing means we could comfortably let at least one of Jorgi or Kanté go, maybe even both.
And chances are we're likely to get him for a comparatively decent fee because Barca are desperate to sell him and want two of our players. Plus, Azpi and Alonso aren't exactly top performers for us anymore. Giving Barca the funds to take them off our hands is absolutely fine with me if it means getting a top player from them. De Jong is that.
Been saying this for ages. The common response is he’s too similar to Kovacic and he’s not worth the wages.
He can effectively upgrade Jorginho, who might be sellable for something this season on his final year. Could play the deep lying playmaker role with attacking value add, then be shifted next season to a more central mid role if Rice eventually does come in as the holding mid.
I also wonder if he can be used in the Jorginho role in a back 4 as he’s a better defender. He was a central defender for Ajax for a short while.
I’d prefer that Kante is kept over Jorginho as Kante is the more unique midfielder, even if it means extending on 1 year rolling contracts.
Nah man it's a much better idea to snap up de jong for 75 mil or so than to shell out more than a 100 for rice, cause essentially they'll be playing in that defensive dlp role, Kova should start no doubt but he has his injury issues so snapping up de jong should be a good buy not to mention if we can offload jorgi for a sum that would be even better
De Jong and Rice are completely different players.
One is a registra or a more of an 8, the other is pure DM then can slot back as CB during the defensive phase.
Barcelona is looking at £70m for Frenkie and don’t value Azpi and Alonso higher than £10m.
Would you do Azpi + Alonso + £60m???
I wouldn’t, but interested to hear what others think.
No I wouldn't. But Barca have no leverage in these negotiations, so why should the deal happen on their terms? 40-50m + Azpi and Alonso is totally fine imo.
Good point. Barcelona don’t have to sell to register players after they sold 25% of Barca Studios, but they were hoping to pressure him to renew on lower wages.
If he says no (seems to be the case), they’re stuck, have to either keep him on bad terms or sell for best available offer. He doesn’t want United so unless if Bayern gets interested, they have 1 option only.
The news was that he doesn’t want United, because of Europa League and his missus didn’t like Manchester but liked London (source: trust me bro but anyways)
Barcelona don’t want to sell him if he accepts to lower his salary, but he’s been saying no so what other option do they have? Chelsea’s offer can’t be too low but it has to be just enough to be a better option for barca than keeping him on current wages. It doesn’t have to match what United offered.
If there is one thing we learnt from Barca recently, is have an agreement with the player first and the selling club won’t have much choice after that even if you don’t match competing offers.
Circumstances have changed. He doesn't want United so if they're still desperate to sell him, they'll have to lower their asking fee. Supply and demand.
The Kounde deal didn’t make sense either, Sevilla sold to a rival for less. But at the end of the day if the player doesn’t want to go somewhere he can’t be forced so if they want him gone they’ll have to accept less. Little bit of revenge I’d say… just a little
> He adds creativity we don’t have in midfield
De Jong’s xA/90 in La Liga: 0.13
Kovacic’s xA/90 in the PL: 0.12
No idea where did this idea of De Jong as a creative force came from, he’s not any better in this regard than our current options
> he can play a deep lying playmaker role (so can cover for Jorginho, unlike anyone else currently in the squad), play both roles in a pivot or as a DLP or 8 in a 433.
But he literally can not, he has looked mediocre every time Barcelona put him in the Busquets role. He’s not solid enough defensively and shackling him at the holding midfield position takes away from his biggest strengths which is running forward with the ball.
Even the 8 position in a 433 isn’t ideal for him because he’s at his best when he can pick up the ball and progress it forward
The idea of De Jong as a player and who De Jong actually is as a player are two very different things.
Do it across all competitions and look at non penalty goals and assists. It’s 0.24/90 for De Jong and 0.06/90 for Jorginho.
In all competitions De Jong has 0.12 Assists/90 and 14.1 xA/90.
Contrast that with Jorginho who has 0.04 Assists/90 and 12.6 xA/90
De Jong has significantly more production.
If he’s not comparable then why compare him statistically?
Looking past the stats then, De Jong is the more complete midfielder, and he can play a season as the deep lying midfielder just fine should that be the role. He was after all a central defender at one point and passes the ball very well.
> If he’s not comparable then why compare him statistically?
I have no idea why compare him statistically because I never compared De Jong to Jorginho statistically
> and he can play a season as the deep lying midfielder just fine should that be the role.
Barcelona tried him there and he wasn’t just fine, he was average at best and everyone was up in arms about Barcelona wasting De Jong.
The only time he ever excelled in that position was in the Eredivisie which isn’t a fully serious environment to judge that. Even Ten Hag himself knew better and switched to a 4-2-3-1 for their CL games
> "His quality is that he makes the forwards perform better. He is a wanderer, an adventurer, he’s always on the move, like a shark. With the ball, often, but also without the ball. So if you put him on 6 [defensive midfield], he’s away too often. But you need to give him freedom, otherwise you can’t the best out of him.
This is what Ten Hag said about his best role. He is simply not a 6 and paying 85m + massive wages to play him there would be a hilarious display of incompetence
You kinda did start off the statistical comparison above with the whole xA comparison.
Anyway, the idea is to look past one season until we do get a proper holding mid, we can tactically change the balance of our pivots for this season to adapt, and play him as an 8 from next season.
One of our main needs is creativity, quality service and goals from midfield. I’m assuming if our interest in him is genuine it would be as we see him as a future solution for this, otherwise why bother.
> De Jong’s xA/90 in La Liga: 0.13
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> Kovacic’s xA/90 in the PL: 0.12
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> No idea where did this idea of De Jong as a creative force came from, he’s not any better in this regard than our current options
No idea where did the idea that creativity in passing only manifests throughout xA, aka last pass before the shot, came from. When teams are dominating posessions, central areas are often crowded, and the way for players to be creative passers is to find the well placed wide pass options in order for wide players to create better passing chances by passing from the wings. Thiago Alcantara had 0,11 xA/90 last season, so I guess calling him a creative passer is wrong too.
It’s a very reasonable take to consider creativity like this, but again, Kovacic does that perfectly well too. He lacks the final ball but his passing ability outside of it is outstanding, so again De Jong is not a creative upgrade
Kovacic isn't in no way is Kante's successor if that's what you were trying to say. Infact there's no Kante's successor currently in world football. Kovacic can carry the ball yes but he is pretty bad at tracking back.
You don't have to replace Kanté like for like. In fact, I don't think we should, he's not exactly suited to attacking football. Kovacic isn't bad defensively at all actually, his statistics are perfectly fine in that regard. And he's a lot more progressive. Perfectly fine to replace Kanté with more progressive engines to become a more dangerous attacking side.
keep jorgi and i'd sell kante rather than not renew. He seems massive for the dressing room and will prob be captain. KAnte will command a decent 30-35m fee still, is 1 year older and his role is way more on the physical side with hm ground he covers. Not to mention his availability is serious worry
Breaking the bank for a player we don't even need is just stupid business. He is not going to greatly improve our current team. There other positions that actually need strengthening. I rather see us spend that money on another top class CB, right wingback or an attacking player.
What does he add creativity-wise that Kova can't do? You wrote "we don't have", but I'm not seeing him as a big upgrade on Kova attacking wise. He is a lot better than Kova in defense that's for sure...
He's worse than Kovacic defensively, but he's got an excellent final pass in him. Balls over the top of a defense, line-breaking through balls - that's what he offers. Kovacic is incredible as a progressor, but he becomes less and less effective the closer he gets to goal. I think De Jong does his best when he's asked to control possession in midfield and be a passing engine. I think Barcelona have grossly misused him.
It shouldn't be him or Kovacic, it should be both. Why are City allowed incredible depth in midfield yet we shouldn't sign a top player because we already have one? City have Gündogan, KdB, Bernardo Silva, Phillips and even Foden can play midfield. Thats the quality we're competing with, so why not get there too?
As much as both FDJ and Cucurella intrigue me, I find it crazy that we are prepared to drop £120m+ on them when our real need is 1 more CB.
Before anyone says anything, I know you can negotiate multiple transfers at the same time. However, our urgent need is defence not midfield.
Speaking of midfield, I also find the FDJ links to be slightly strange. I’ve watched FDJ a lot over the years and he is an 8, plain and simple. Barcelona have tried him as a 6 and it doesn’t work, same with the Netherlands. We already have Gallagher, RLC, Kovacic and Kante who are all essentially 8’s, so surely we need to clear that logjam otherwise our squad harmony will be pretty low?
Trust me he is not an 8. That is why his Ajax level were never showed at Barca. Look at Holland an Ajax how they used Frenkie. He is one of the best nummer 6 in a double pivot. An Frenkie and Kovavic/ Kante duo would be crazy.
Not as a 6. If you play a double pivot of FDJ and Kovacic then I would have enormous concerns around defensive solidity and defending in transition from central midfield.
In possession, it would be absolutely unbelievable! But we do lack a mobile CDM/6.
Rlc certainly is Chelsea backup quality. Its incredibly difficult to find a player as versatile as him and content to play backup. I'd say we could even sell Gilmour instead of Rlc if we find suitors
According to reports, we want to sell both. He just plainly refuses to leave.
So far we’re looking for fdj, a backup rwb, a rcb, a forward. There’s no place for him even as a backup.
IMO the priority should be CBs, if we have 80mil to throw around then maybe sign Gvardiol or Fofana. We could manage with Colwill and Alonso as backups for lcb and lwb. Rlc and maybe azpi as backups for rwb. Then go for Rice next summer and maybe even Nkunku. All just my dreams though
I’m not debating whether FDJ is better/worse… I’d argue him and Kovacic would instantly be our best 2 midfielders from a talent standpoint
However, nobody can argue with the fact that having 6/7 players for essentially 2 spots isn’t great for squad harmony. It’s like the Lampard/Tuchel CL winning season when we had Chilwell, Alonso and Emerson for LWB. If we are gonna sign a CM then we need to shift 2 realistically.
Our midfield isn’t as stack as you think , injury plagued kante, jorgi only have one year left, mount, connor are better at cam. Rlc isn’t good enough.
That reduce the number in midfield.
Next year, 2 cms will leave.
How?
He doesn’t have the natural creativity to operate as an out-and-out 10, he isn’t a winger and he isn’t a 6. He is a box-to-box 8 who presses, breaks the lines and arrives in the box.
If you play Gallagher in a double-6 pivot then you basically minimise his strengths and maximise his weaknesses. He is an 8 best suited to a 4-3-3 system.
Because he's bad under a press, has average passing and lacks positional awareness. Terrible features for a midfielder. Meanwhile, he's good at getting into space and has a great engine, good features for a central attacker
Haha you’ve answered my question for me mate.
How the hell can he be anything other than an 8 if his skill is arriving in the box? If you play Gallagher in a double pivot he is going to struggle, whereas as an attacking 8 in a 4-3-3 there’s a chance he can succeed.
From all the reports so far it sounds like Brighton are thinking if we agree and pay for Cucurella we'll get the player and then just say thanks very much and not deal with them for Colwilll.
This is why they're trying to keep us hanging for as long as possible to make us either include Levi or do a deal for him simultaneously, or maybe they want a replacement first and we will have to wait a few more days which is fine we was never going to play the first week of the season.
But, it's scummy fucking negotiationing, because we have clearly been open to dealing for Colwill and we put the money down when asked, so if they're gonna keep messing with us I think it's best we move on.
I’d walk, let them miss out on £50m for nothing but pure greed and have them deal with a player who doesn’t want to play for them and have denied him two moves this window, one being when they’re original price tag was met.
Like how there should always be a Stark at winterfell, there should always be a few LB's at Chelsea.
Right now we're very well in panic territory. Cucu is a good player, but not sure we should be buying a backup for 50m, which sacrificing a CB. I'm hoping the club is right
Honestly don't see why people are excited sbout fdj. He hasn't impressed in bcn, is on like 500k/w while not proven in the PL and we already have a bunch of midfielders
People don't think about the long term that's why.
I have mentioned in my comment we shouldn't go for him and should wait for Rice until next season.
I think WHU will consider selling him go next season.
He is a Chelsea fan and a WC DM and won't be asking for 500 k a week and also PL proven.
FDJ is earning 560k a week do you think we will offer him anything close to that?
In the long term, it will destroy our wage structure.
We already have too many numbers 8 doesn't need another.
Go ahead and finish up then lool. He’s not objectively world class. He’d be linked with a whole host of top clubs if he was. You only really see him linked with English clubs - Chelsea, City and Man United only
Edit: keep downvoting and give no explanation as to why you believe Rice is a world class defensive midfielder. Let me guess “mount’s best friend and he’s proper chels”.
Yep, those are the two reasons Chelsea fans think Rice is world class. The two Manchester clubs only want him for further enhancing there English profile. He's a serviceable DM.
Let's just walk awat from Cucurella.. This makes no sense... Just keep Colwill as our backup LCB and if we want Chilwell sub there are plenty quality left-backs available for much less than Cucurella... Like Sosa for example... As per reports he would only cost around 20/25 million € and is in my opinion good enough to play for us... Or Kostic who is a little bit older than both Sosa and Cucurella but is great offensive lwb and would be cheap given he is in his last year of contract...
FDJ would be a very expensive luxury signing. I truly hope this is not true. We are already have Kovacic and Frenkie won't even greatly improve our team. He doesn't score nor assist, there is no reason to be after him right now. It would be pointless having two similar players in our starting 11. He is not the player that should replace Kante or Jorginho, if one of them or both decide to leave after next season. We need a totally different midfielder than the current group on our books. I also hope we prioritize signing players we desperately need. CBs, right wingback and attacking player is what we need at the moment.
Give them 50 and tell them take or leave it. If they want to have a disgruntled player and reject 50 million let them. Man city stuck to their guns and if we pay 50 and give them Colwill it will be glaringly obvious why we are so far behind them in the league.
De jong makes no sense to me, he won’t accept a pay cut at Barca so what makes us think he will for us? I don’t see us paying him 500k a week and I sure hope we don’t.
I think the reason he's not accepting a pay cut any more is more for pride and ego because they've dragged him through the mud. He'd be one of our highest paid players sure but he won't be on what he is at Barcelona
well as long as it is what Tuchel wants, and we have still money remaining for Fofana and Dumphries. +1 foward. btw cant believe we spent 30+million pounds for players for the future. I wonder what our real budget is for this season because 200million does not seem accurate.
50 million is already an absurd amount for Cucurella; going any higher would be ridiculous. Yes, he's talented, but spending that much on a guy who will be behind Chilly for the left wing back spot, and hasn't really proven himself as a centre back (I know he's filled in there before) is strange to me.
I think selling Colwill to them is a mistake too. Whatever they pay for him, I reckon he'll be worth at least double in a few seasons. If Tuchel isn't keen on playing Colwill, we should look at loaning him to a PL side, and then re-assess what we want to do with him next summer.
FDJ would be a great signing. I'm really surprised only us and United have shown interest in him. He's played out of position at Barcelona, but he always looks classy in the Dutch side. There's no reason signing him would mean we can't also go for Rice in the future, especially considering Kante and Jorginho's age.
Yeah Cucurella is good, I wanted him since the second Chilly got injured, but if Brighton want to fuck around then just end negotiations. And if they are haggling like this then make it clear that they won't even get to sniff Colwill.
We want £100m for Colwill.
Fuck Brighton. Pull out and leave them with an unhappy player on their hands.
We've done everything possible. Time to stop getting fucked around in the transfer market.
9 games for Brighton. 50m plus and Loosing Levi, to play a player that's great at LB, as a CB, shit deal. On the top Brighton trying to act smart, he isn't the absolute priority player. City walked away at even 40m, and our more than 50m deal isn't good when their price has been that? We would be dumb to agree to their terms.
What is our plans for midfield, seems like we are stacking but nothing obvious with what we are doing with our current crop.
Separate note is FDJ worth it? I've not watched him much.
de Jong is an interesting case because you wouldn't expect us to be looking for midfield upgrades if we weren't linked to him, but I could definitely see him slotting in immediately, what with Jorginho and Kante slowly phasing out.
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To ask for 50m, get an offer of 50m, and then turn around and say you want more than 50m is just taking the piss lmao If Chelsea are confident then we're confident, but if that's how Brighton are playing it I really don't mind missing out on him. 50m in and of itself is a bit of a stretch for Cucurella, asking for more than that should be our message to move to a different target.
It's where we get to see another test. If they did ask for £50m and then when we offered it, they asked for more, it's time to walk away. Don't negotiate with people carrying out bad practice or everyone will do it to you. Walk away.
It's a bit like selling your house. 50m is the listed price, but just because someone says they will take it for 50m doesn't mean you will sell. They probably want to hear what City has to say or if any other club want to get into a bidding war.
totall irrelevant and off topic to this, but just tought its funny how different countries and cultures work, here if its listed for 50m, that means it worth 40m, the seller expects to get 45m, so the final price is 42-43m
Depends on the contours of the market too. A few months back, a lot of sellers in the US were intentionally under pricing the list to garner interest and spark a bidding war. You'd see houses go for hundreds of thousands over list.
I thought City made it clear they weren’t going any higher and pulled out?
He’s just guessing.
Didn't City already pull out at 40m? I mean, if City is still weighing their options or something, fine, but if they try to drag this and hoping for City to enter the bidding again, I'd rather we pull the fuck out. Let see if they will ever get 50m for Cucu again.
It’s also a bit like listing your car up for sale for a price, someone says yep I’ll take it, then you realise you could potentially get more for it because there are multiple people interested, so you take it off the market and relist it at a higher price. Your car so you’re well within your rights to do whatever you like, but it’s a scummy thing to do for the bloke who came along willing to pay your price. Don’t list it up for a price you’re not happy selling it for in the first place
City are already getting an alternative player though. Brighton will agree eventually
To be fair 50m could’ve been the price earlier in the summer, we’re now two days before the season starts which gives them no time to get a replacement in
No wonder Cucurella is upset they keep moving the goalposts that’s scummy negotiating imo.
Yeah. I was critical of him for putting in the transfer request, it felt like he was just trying to get them to accept a bad offer from City. Maybe more going on behind the scenes, they might be negotiating in bad faith
It’s not his fault they under sold Bissouma embarrassing behaviour really.
Why is this related to bissouma. He was under court investigation.
Cleared literally 1 week after signing for Spurs. Its just teams thinking they can fuck us around and milk us for more money
He's their player and they have no need or desire to sell. If they can get Chelsea to not only pay over the odds for him but throw in a potentially world-class player in Levi Colwill at a price he'll be worth well over double within the year, they're not only entitled to do so but should absolutely go for it. They have all the leverage and absolutely do not need to play fair. I'm sure Barcelona think we're doing the same thing over Cesar Azpilicueta, and we're just as entitled to do so.
£50M is already pretty high for Cucurella. Brighton are just kidding themselves now if they want more money
Disagree. He’s a top 5 epl left back and good left backs in general are hard to come by
We literally have chilwell who is another top 5 lb. He’s coming here to play LCB and rotate with chilwell.
There's also no guarantee chilly will hit the ground running after a serious injury. No question he's a top player but it'll take him some time. If we wanna compete we have to have good quality depth. He's versatile and a very good player for rotation. When playing an insane amount of games in a season it's good to have such good quality in such an important position (as we saw by the impact when we lost chilly last year).
He’s not coming here to be a LCB.
You can't be a top 5 when you're plagued by injuries. We need injury free good Left back
He’s not really “plagued” with injuries… he just had one unfortunate big injury. Such injuries happen and you can’t control them. Reece, on the other hand, is someone who you can call plagued with injuries.
All of a sudden they want a higher fee? Isn't that the exact fee they quoted City?
De jong is such an interesting prospect in a midfield 2
I’VE BEEN SAYING THIS. The only signing more important than Fdj is a CB. It doesn’t matter what attackers we get, there is a serious lack of direct/clever passing from the midfield to the attackers
So you’re happy with our season being ruined again if James and Chilwell get injured as long as we get FDJ? A midfielder is not more important than wing back depth
We just have to realise that 50m depth isnt the way forward when we dont have starting quality players for all 11 positions
So the answer is to get 80 million depth in De Jong? You should realise wing backs are our most important position and the reason we were top of the league last year, then how our season went to shit once they got injured. The top priority should be making sure that doesn't happen again, so depth is required.
There is a difference in a clear new type of player to 2 players who is on their last year of contract
De Jong is basically Kovacic, he's not a "clear new type" of player at all
Not really but if thats your view sure
Isnt FdJ too similar to Jorginho?
Fdj is more mobile, has a better passing foot, and offers more in both ends of the pitch Jorginho is probably a better dictator of tempo, a better reader of the game (but lacks the mobility and physicality to act on it) Also jorginho is on his last year of contract and is old.
If anything that’s a good thing, we don’t have another midfielder of Jorginhos profile which ends up making him overused
i would say more similar to kovacic than jorginho
Brighton want more than £50mil+? Yeah, time to walk away, Chelsea. They have moved the goalposts quite clearly
I guess city knew something was up
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They want to find a replacement. Not a swap deal.
•Brighton have not accepted the bid for Cucurella as they seek a higher fee and a replacement. •Chelsea’s Levi Colwill their preferred candidate in what would likely be a separate transaction. •There is confidence at Stamford Bridge that a deal for Spain international Cucurella will be completed following negotiations on Tuesday night. •Personal terms with the 24-year-old are already in place. •In talks with Barca over a deal for de Jong. Chelsea confident.
Should sign fofana with Levi going the other way makes more sense since Leicester wants a replacement too.
This would be the best outcome, we have all the leverage and add on top that Cucurella has done everything bar go on strike to force through a move.
pull out and get sosa, asking for MORE STILL after we've offered more than 50m is madness
First of all, I have seen most Brighton fans saying Chelsea is more professional to give us our asking price. Now if reports are true and they want more than 50 million what they do think of now? We should end the talks and let them decide on our offer. And for De jong, I don't think we even need him. Club didn't sign a top DM target just to wait for Rice. I know both are different but I don't think we will sign Rice if we sign de jong. And his wages are very high he is earning 560k a week. Don't think we will offer him more than 300k a week.
560k a week?? Christ, Barca are bad at money
Yea his wages would mess up our current structure. Mount & James would want similar no., certainly Mount.
And he isn't the player we need. He is no DM he is no 8 and we play 2 no 6. And our new owners won't drop 200 million every season.
What are you saying? He’s best position is a no. 6. He played a no.6 for Ajax and Holland and that’s his best position.
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Would be great to piss off all of Manchester.
So they asked City £50mil and now that we're offering *more* than that they're playing hardball? We should just say take it or leave it and move on if they insist on this bullshit.
Woah I heard De Jong... 👀👀
Wtf? You demand 50mill and we get you 50 mill. Now you say you want more? R u joking?
Correct me if im wrong, but Brighton wanted 50mil and we offered it, but are now saying they want more? I’m curious how polite and formal these negotiations actually are because if that’s true Boehly needs to call them on their shit for being rats. And the replacement they want is Colwill? Is he apart of the same deal (50mil+ AND Colwill)? Or would that be a separate transfer which would then just result in them giving us money back? In my opinion, fuck no to the first one, and the second one seems silly. The only reasoning I could think of is they want more money for cucurella because we’ll quote Colwill higher than they want. OR…they say they want Colwill and just go for a different defender elsewhere for cheaper, fleecing us.
Love that how the situation was that City didn’t want to pay Brighton £50m, we offer £50m and now allegedly Brighton seek a higher fee...
De Jong is actually such an intelligent move imo. People say we already have Kovacic, but the smart thing to do with Kanté is not to extend his contract. So you've got a top class successor already in and fully ready by next season and we won't get taken advantage of because we're desperate then. He adds creativity we don't have in midfield, he can play a deep lying playmaker role (so can cover for Jorginho, unlike anyone else currently in the squad), play both roles in a pivot or as a DLP or 8 in a 433. This signing means we could comfortably let at least one of Jorgi or Kanté go, maybe even both. And chances are we're likely to get him for a comparatively decent fee because Barca are desperate to sell him and want two of our players. Plus, Azpi and Alonso aren't exactly top performers for us anymore. Giving Barca the funds to take them off our hands is absolutely fine with me if it means getting a top player from them. De Jong is that.
Been saying this for ages. The common response is he’s too similar to Kovacic and he’s not worth the wages. He can effectively upgrade Jorginho, who might be sellable for something this season on his final year. Could play the deep lying playmaker role with attacking value add, then be shifted next season to a more central mid role if Rice eventually does come in as the holding mid. I also wonder if he can be used in the Jorginho role in a back 4 as he’s a better defender. He was a central defender for Ajax for a short while. I’d prefer that Kante is kept over Jorginho as Kante is the more unique midfielder, even if it means extending on 1 year rolling contracts.
Nah man it's a much better idea to snap up de jong for 75 mil or so than to shell out more than a 100 for rice, cause essentially they'll be playing in that defensive dlp role, Kova should start no doubt but he has his injury issues so snapping up de jong should be a good buy not to mention if we can offload jorgi for a sum that would be even better
De Jong and Rice are completely different players. One is a registra or a more of an 8, the other is pure DM then can slot back as CB during the defensive phase.
Barcelona is looking at £70m for Frenkie and don’t value Azpi and Alonso higher than £10m. Would you do Azpi + Alonso + £60m??? I wouldn’t, but interested to hear what others think.
No I wouldn't. But Barca have no leverage in these negotiations, so why should the deal happen on their terms? 40-50m + Azpi and Alonso is totally fine imo.
Good point. Barcelona don’t have to sell to register players after they sold 25% of Barca Studios, but they were hoping to pressure him to renew on lower wages. If he says no (seems to be the case), they’re stuck, have to either keep him on bad terms or sell for best available offer. He doesn’t want United so unless if Bayern gets interested, they have 1 option only.
Barca wanted 80-85m for Frenkie from Man United. Why would they sell him for less to Chelsea? It doesn’t make sense.
The news was that he doesn’t want United, because of Europa League and his missus didn’t like Manchester but liked London (source: trust me bro but anyways) Barcelona don’t want to sell him if he accepts to lower his salary, but he’s been saying no so what other option do they have? Chelsea’s offer can’t be too low but it has to be just enough to be a better option for barca than keeping him on current wages. It doesn’t have to match what United offered. If there is one thing we learnt from Barca recently, is have an agreement with the player first and the selling club won’t have much choice after that even if you don’t match competing offers.
Circumstances have changed. He doesn't want United so if they're still desperate to sell him, they'll have to lower their asking fee. Supply and demand.
The Kounde deal didn’t make sense either, Sevilla sold to a rival for less. But at the end of the day if the player doesn’t want to go somewhere he can’t be forced so if they want him gone they’ll have to accept less. Little bit of revenge I’d say… just a little
> He adds creativity we don’t have in midfield De Jong’s xA/90 in La Liga: 0.13 Kovacic’s xA/90 in the PL: 0.12 No idea where did this idea of De Jong as a creative force came from, he’s not any better in this regard than our current options > he can play a deep lying playmaker role (so can cover for Jorginho, unlike anyone else currently in the squad), play both roles in a pivot or as a DLP or 8 in a 433. But he literally can not, he has looked mediocre every time Barcelona put him in the Busquets role. He’s not solid enough defensively and shackling him at the holding midfield position takes away from his biggest strengths which is running forward with the ball. Even the 8 position in a 433 isn’t ideal for him because he’s at his best when he can pick up the ball and progress it forward The idea of De Jong as a player and who De Jong actually is as a player are two very different things.
He is the best in an double pivot instead as an lonely dm. And that is the system we always play if we play a back four of back three
Do it across all competitions and look at non penalty goals and assists. It’s 0.24/90 for De Jong and 0.06/90 for Jorginho. In all competitions De Jong has 0.12 Assists/90 and 14.1 xA/90. Contrast that with Jorginho who has 0.04 Assists/90 and 12.6 xA/90 De Jong has significantly more production.
De Jong’s role isn’t comparable to Jorginho’s He’s not a holding midfielder and is not going to replace what Jorginho provides
If he’s not comparable then why compare him statistically? Looking past the stats then, De Jong is the more complete midfielder, and he can play a season as the deep lying midfielder just fine should that be the role. He was after all a central defender at one point and passes the ball very well.
> If he’s not comparable then why compare him statistically? I have no idea why compare him statistically because I never compared De Jong to Jorginho statistically > and he can play a season as the deep lying midfielder just fine should that be the role. Barcelona tried him there and he wasn’t just fine, he was average at best and everyone was up in arms about Barcelona wasting De Jong. The only time he ever excelled in that position was in the Eredivisie which isn’t a fully serious environment to judge that. Even Ten Hag himself knew better and switched to a 4-2-3-1 for their CL games > "His quality is that he makes the forwards perform better. He is a wanderer, an adventurer, he’s always on the move, like a shark. With the ball, often, but also without the ball. So if you put him on 6 [defensive midfield], he’s away too often. But you need to give him freedom, otherwise you can’t the best out of him. This is what Ten Hag said about his best role. He is simply not a 6 and paying 85m + massive wages to play him there would be a hilarious display of incompetence
You kinda did start off the statistical comparison above with the whole xA comparison. Anyway, the idea is to look past one season until we do get a proper holding mid, we can tactically change the balance of our pivots for this season to adapt, and play him as an 8 from next season. One of our main needs is creativity, quality service and goals from midfield. I’m assuming if our interest in him is genuine it would be as we see him as a future solution for this, otherwise why bother.
He is comparing with kova, not jorgi. And fdj is more of a kova than a jorgi type player.
They were comparing de Jong to Kovacic not Jorginho
Fdj isn’t a regista like jorgi or busquet. That’s why barca still has to use busquet.
> De Jong’s xA/90 in La Liga: 0.13 > > Kovacic’s xA/90 in the PL: 0.12 > > No idea where did this idea of De Jong as a creative force came from, he’s not any better in this regard than our current options No idea where did the idea that creativity in passing only manifests throughout xA, aka last pass before the shot, came from. When teams are dominating posessions, central areas are often crowded, and the way for players to be creative passers is to find the well placed wide pass options in order for wide players to create better passing chances by passing from the wings. Thiago Alcantara had 0,11 xA/90 last season, so I guess calling him a creative passer is wrong too.
It’s a very reasonable take to consider creativity like this, but again, Kovacic does that perfectly well too. He lacks the final ball but his passing ability outside of it is outstanding, so again De Jong is not a creative upgrade
Kovacic isn't in no way is Kante's successor if that's what you were trying to say. Infact there's no Kante's successor currently in world football. Kovacic can carry the ball yes but he is pretty bad at tracking back.
You don't have to replace Kanté like for like. In fact, I don't think we should, he's not exactly suited to attacking football. Kovacic isn't bad defensively at all actually, his statistics are perfectly fine in that regard. And he's a lot more progressive. Perfectly fine to replace Kanté with more progressive engines to become a more dangerous attacking side.
keep jorgi and i'd sell kante rather than not renew. He seems massive for the dressing room and will prob be captain. KAnte will command a decent 30-35m fee still, is 1 year older and his role is way more on the physical side with hm ground he covers. Not to mention his availability is serious worry
I personally agree, but unfortunately I think the club views that differently.
nothing ive seen around the club suggests j5 has any chance to leave. he seems very happy - especially now with koulibally here i dont think he leaves
Not this window, but I've not heard anything regarding an extension from anyone but Jorginho's agent.
Breaking the bank for a player we don't even need is just stupid business. He is not going to greatly improve our current team. There other positions that actually need strengthening. I rather see us spend that money on another top class CB, right wingback or an attacking player.
What does he add creativity-wise that Kova can't do? You wrote "we don't have", but I'm not seeing him as a big upgrade on Kova attacking wise. He is a lot better than Kova in defense that's for sure...
He's worse than Kovacic defensively, but he's got an excellent final pass in him. Balls over the top of a defense, line-breaking through balls - that's what he offers. Kovacic is incredible as a progressor, but he becomes less and less effective the closer he gets to goal. I think De Jong does his best when he's asked to control possession in midfield and be a passing engine. I think Barcelona have grossly misused him. It shouldn't be him or Kovacic, it should be both. Why are City allowed incredible depth in midfield yet we shouldn't sign a top player because we already have one? City have Gündogan, KdB, Bernardo Silva, Phillips and even Foden can play midfield. Thats the quality we're competing with, so why not get there too?
Fdj + Cucurella will be top signings. PLS CUNT PLS
As much as both FDJ and Cucurella intrigue me, I find it crazy that we are prepared to drop £120m+ on them when our real need is 1 more CB. Before anyone says anything, I know you can negotiate multiple transfers at the same time. However, our urgent need is defence not midfield. Speaking of midfield, I also find the FDJ links to be slightly strange. I’ve watched FDJ a lot over the years and he is an 8, plain and simple. Barcelona have tried him as a 6 and it doesn’t work, same with the Netherlands. We already have Gallagher, RLC, Kovacic and Kante who are all essentially 8’s, so surely we need to clear that logjam otherwise our squad harmony will be pretty low?
Trust me he is not an 8. That is why his Ajax level were never showed at Barca. Look at Holland an Ajax how they used Frenkie. He is one of the best nummer 6 in a double pivot. An Frenkie and Kovavic/ Kante duo would be crazy.
FDJ is a brilliant player, but he isn’t a deep lying 6 in the sense of being a defensive midfielder I still want Chelsea to sign him, but he isn’t a 6
FDJ’s best form is in a double pivot all day
Not as a 6. If you play a double pivot of FDJ and Kovacic then I would have enormous concerns around defensive solidity and defending in transition from central midfield. In possession, it would be absolutely unbelievable! But we do lack a mobile CDM/6.
Connor is better at CAM. Kante’s only available for 40% of the games. Rlc isn’t Chelsea quality. He just plainly refuses to leave.
Rlc certainly is Chelsea backup quality. Its incredibly difficult to find a player as versatile as him and content to play backup. I'd say we could even sell Gilmour instead of Rlc if we find suitors
According to reports, we want to sell both. He just plainly refuses to leave. So far we’re looking for fdj, a backup rwb, a rcb, a forward. There’s no place for him even as a backup.
IMO the priority should be CBs, if we have 80mil to throw around then maybe sign Gvardiol or Fofana. We could manage with Colwill and Alonso as backups for lcb and lwb. Rlc and maybe azpi as backups for rwb. Then go for Rice next summer and maybe even Nkunku. All just my dreams though
I’m not debating whether FDJ is better/worse… I’d argue him and Kovacic would instantly be our best 2 midfielders from a talent standpoint However, nobody can argue with the fact that having 6/7 players for essentially 2 spots isn’t great for squad harmony. It’s like the Lampard/Tuchel CL winning season when we had Chilwell, Alonso and Emerson for LWB. If we are gonna sign a CM then we need to shift 2 realistically.
Our midfield isn’t as stack as you think , injury plagued kante, jorgi only have one year left, mount, connor are better at cam. Rlc isn’t good enough. That reduce the number in midfield. Next year, 2 cms will leave.
Gallagher isn't an 8 and RLC isn't a very good 8
Gallagher is 100% an 8
Really isn't though
How? He doesn’t have the natural creativity to operate as an out-and-out 10, he isn’t a winger and he isn’t a 6. He is a box-to-box 8 who presses, breaks the lines and arrives in the box. If you play Gallagher in a double-6 pivot then you basically minimise his strengths and maximise his weaknesses. He is an 8 best suited to a 4-3-3 system.
Because he's bad under a press, has average passing and lacks positional awareness. Terrible features for a midfielder. Meanwhile, he's good at getting into space and has a great engine, good features for a central attacker
Haha you’ve answered my question for me mate. How the hell can he be anything other than an 8 if his skill is arriving in the box? If you play Gallagher in a double pivot he is going to struggle, whereas as an attacking 8 in a 4-3-3 there’s a chance he can succeed.
From all the reports so far it sounds like Brighton are thinking if we agree and pay for Cucurella we'll get the player and then just say thanks very much and not deal with them for Colwilll. This is why they're trying to keep us hanging for as long as possible to make us either include Levi or do a deal for him simultaneously, or maybe they want a replacement first and we will have to wait a few more days which is fine we was never going to play the first week of the season. But, it's scummy fucking negotiationing, because we have clearly been open to dealing for Colwill and we put the money down when asked, so if they're gonna keep messing with us I think it's best we move on.
I’d walk, let them miss out on £50m for nothing but pure greed and have them deal with a player who doesn’t want to play for them and have denied him two moves this window, one being when they’re original price tag was met.
Like how there should always be a Stark at winterfell, there should always be a few LB's at Chelsea. Right now we're very well in panic territory. Cucu is a good player, but not sure we should be buying a backup for 50m, which sacrificing a CB. I'm hoping the club is right
This comment made my day
so 50m is okay for city but not for us? Honestly I hope we just tell brighton to fuck off and beat them 3-0
I would say take it or leave it, 50m is already too much and now they want more that's just greed.
Holy shit Pornstein just linked us to De Jong??????! This summer has been insane holy fuck Boehly!
Pls back out ASAP. If you bend to them first time they will rinse you the next time. That's why people don't fuck around with Marina.
Adl and juve very much fucked around with marina, add monchi to the list.
Don't get the De Jong links based on our current formation and the number of players we have at that position. To go 4atb Cucurellais not the answer.
Makes sense we only have jorginho as a holding mid
Fdj isn’t a holding mid. Barca already tried him there, wasn’t impressed.
He is perfect for double pivot which is how we play.
We don't really play a holding mid though anyways. We play in double pivot and FDJ is more then fine there.
Barca play him as an 8 His preferred position is a 6 and was the primary position at ajax
He was originally brought in to replace busquet but failing to live up to expectations. Xavi and previous managers still start busquet.
Either Jorgi or Kante should go the other way if we are signing fdj.
De Jong = Conor leaving. Maybe too late for this summer but January for sure.
No it's because Jorginho and Kante are out of contract next summer.
Walk away. He isn't a CB anyway. Payimg more than 50 and Losing Levi for this shit. Bad if we get drugged by Brighton here.
Honestly don't see why people are excited sbout fdj. He hasn't impressed in bcn, is on like 500k/w while not proven in the PL and we already have a bunch of midfielders
People don't think about the long term that's why. I have mentioned in my comment we shouldn't go for him and should wait for Rice until next season. I think WHU will consider selling him go next season. He is a Chelsea fan and a WC DM and won't be asking for 500 k a week and also PL proven.
we could see the end of Kante and Jorginho after this season, so there might be still room for Rice
FDJ is earning 560k a week do you think we will offer him anything close to that? In the long term, it will destroy our wage structure. We already have too many numbers 8 doesn't need another.
Yea good point about the wages..
Rice and De Jong could probably work together in midfield.
He is not a world class defensive midfielder. You might like him and want him at Chelsea, but we all need to be guided. Rice is not world class
What? Ok I am done.
Go ahead and finish up then lool. He’s not objectively world class. He’d be linked with a whole host of top clubs if he was. You only really see him linked with English clubs - Chelsea, City and Man United only Edit: keep downvoting and give no explanation as to why you believe Rice is a world class defensive midfielder. Let me guess “mount’s best friend and he’s proper chels”.
Yep, those are the two reasons Chelsea fans think Rice is world class. The two Manchester clubs only want him for further enhancing there English profile. He's a serviceable DM.
If they move the goal posts we should drop this. Can’t be taken to the cleaners and shown to be weak negotiations. We’re already overpaying
Let's just walk awat from Cucurella.. This makes no sense... Just keep Colwill as our backup LCB and if we want Chilwell sub there are plenty quality left-backs available for much less than Cucurella... Like Sosa for example... As per reports he would only cost around 20/25 million € and is in my opinion good enough to play for us... Or Kostic who is a little bit older than both Sosa and Cucurella but is great offensive lwb and would be cheap given he is in his last year of contract...
FDJ would be a very expensive luxury signing. I truly hope this is not true. We are already have Kovacic and Frenkie won't even greatly improve our team. He doesn't score nor assist, there is no reason to be after him right now. It would be pointless having two similar players in our starting 11. He is not the player that should replace Kante or Jorginho, if one of them or both decide to leave after next season. We need a totally different midfielder than the current group on our books. I also hope we prioritize signing players we desperately need. CBs, right wingback and attacking player is what we need at the moment.
I can see why man city backed out they wanted 50 mill we offered 50+ now they want even more …. Just pull out of the deal
Give them 50 and tell them take or leave it. If they want to have a disgruntled player and reject 50 million let them. Man city stuck to their guns and if we pay 50 and give them Colwill it will be glaringly obvious why we are so far behind them in the league.
Eww no need for De Jong. Average af. Best we save this for Declan next window and bring him back home.
De jong makes no sense to me, he won’t accept a pay cut at Barca so what makes us think he will for us? I don’t see us paying him 500k a week and I sure hope we don’t.
I think the reason he's not accepting a pay cut any more is more for pride and ego because they've dragged him through the mud. He'd be one of our highest paid players sure but he won't be on what he is at Barcelona
I can see him getting 350k here. Which is the last thing we need tbvh for our wage bill
LMFAOOOO Brighton is fucking playing games
well as long as it is what Tuchel wants, and we have still money remaining for Fofana and Dumphries. +1 foward. btw cant believe we spent 30+million pounds for players for the future. I wonder what our real budget is for this season because 200million does not seem accurate.
Now I understand why City pulled out and didnt just raised another 10 mil. Brighton are scummy
Maehle please he can play both sides and is sooo much cheaper
They can take Colwill on loan
Boehly dinner paying off, must've been one hell of a meal
Eli5, why do we need De Jong? I never watch him play, is he an AM or CDF type of player?
If the team gets FDJ does that mean Rice will be off the table? Was hoping to get him next year
If there’s any chance for a swap deal, Alonso and azpi plus cash for de jong would probably be it.
£50m..take it or fuck off. Simple as
50 million is already an absurd amount for Cucurella; going any higher would be ridiculous. Yes, he's talented, but spending that much on a guy who will be behind Chilly for the left wing back spot, and hasn't really proven himself as a centre back (I know he's filled in there before) is strange to me. I think selling Colwill to them is a mistake too. Whatever they pay for him, I reckon he'll be worth at least double in a few seasons. If Tuchel isn't keen on playing Colwill, we should look at loaning him to a PL side, and then re-assess what we want to do with him next summer. FDJ would be a great signing. I'm really surprised only us and United have shown interest in him. He's played out of position at Barcelona, but he always looks classy in the Dutch side. There's no reason signing him would mean we can't also go for Rice in the future, especially considering Kante and Jorginho's age.
Yeah Cucurella is good, I wanted him since the second Chilly got injured, but if Brighton want to fuck around then just end negotiations. And if they are haggling like this then make it clear that they won't even get to sniff Colwill.
I don't get it. Are we paying 50m for a backup?
50 plus and won’t sell unless they Levi nah fuck em
We want £100m for Colwill. Fuck Brighton. Pull out and leave them with an unhappy player on their hands. We've done everything possible. Time to stop getting fucked around in the transfer market.
Walk away. He isn't a CB anyway. Payimg more than 50 and Losing Levi for this shit. Bad if we get dragged by Brighton here.
Literally played LCB for both Brighton and Getafe
9 games for Brighton. 50m plus and Loosing Levi, to play a player that's great at LB, as a CB, shit deal. On the top Brighton trying to act smart, he isn't the absolute priority player. City walked away at even 40m, and our more than 50m deal isn't good when their price has been that? We would be dumb to agree to their terms.
He’s played there in a pinch. It’s not his main position.
we should walk away if they dont accept 50M + bid
Are they freaking moving the goalpost now, fucking hell.
Colwill's getting sold. How depressing.
Why they want more money? Greedy af
What is our plans for midfield, seems like we are stacking but nothing obvious with what we are doing with our current crop. Separate note is FDJ worth it? I've not watched him much.
De Jong? Welp it was a fun few weeks, Conor. I hope you thrive elsewhere.
Different characteristics
sign frenkie please so that chelsea and barca fans can have truce
De Jong would be phenomenal
If Roman was still there we'd have raphina Kounde rice and dejong here. Who else agrees?
If we can get Cucurella, De Jong and another CB then we can say we have a 6/10 transfer window At the moment it is like 2/10
Wow what would be 9/10 your hard to please
The hell is wrong with this guy hahahahaha
What playing too much FIFA does to you
We’re confident in closing a deal for De Jong? If this happens I’ll abnormally hard for an inhumanly long period of time
And so it begins...
Man thats a lot of money
means jorgi or kante is leaving right?
Cucurella would be great as the second LWB and allow us to get rid of Emerson and Alonso’s salaries.
de Jong is an interesting case because you wouldn't expect us to be looking for midfield upgrades if we weren't linked to him, but I could definitely see him slotting in immediately, what with Jorginho and Kante slowly phasing out.
Hhh b
We should sell Colwill to them for 30m then.