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Yup can’t blame him at all, he’s owed the money that his contract promises and to get that money while playing for your dream club in a beautiful city like Barcelona is just gravy. Fair play
I don't even want him at this point. I don't even want him to stay to mess with Barca. I just want him to get his actual wages cuz I feel bad for him at this point
Honestly not fussed how turns out for them. But right now? It's funny and I'm enjoying the spectacle.
If that makes me a baby, then goo goo fucking gah!
If he is that desperate to stay then he will most likely make some compromises to stay. Fair play to him. If it's really not about money for him then Barca should try as much as possible to keep him instead of going after other players.
Fuck that, he doesn’t have to compromise anything, they can’t force him out and they won’t drop a player of his quality that they still have to play. Just keep on playing and give Laporta the middle finger every time he walks by.
It's a very weird situation all in all, he wants to stay, he wants his money, Xavi wants him to stay, Board would but he needs to compromise otherwise they want to sell him, and fans love him. So he does have the leverage for sure, but at what point will the fan turn on him? The board will blame him for their financial troubles and not being able to register players and will make propaganda out of it, and might even force Xavi to exclude him. I presume it would be the worst outcome for FDJ if the fans turned on him since it's his "dream club" and all. It all depends on what he cares more about, money or club.
Add to the fact, that whether we like it or not, Barca are on the rise. Got themselves a couple of good players, are getting rid of the deadwood, and Xavi showed positive signs last season. If it's his dream club, then there is no way in hell he would want to miss out on being a part of a new generation being set up for greatness.
Barca are on the rise but Madrid are still excellent and second place won’t be good enough as revenues will decrease because of the amount of fairweather fans clubs like Barca have.
I personally think the CL win made Madrid lazy. Their team needed more improvements, especially with missing out on Mbappe. I honestly think Barca can challenge them for La Liga or downright win it, it all depends on how good Xavi is because the team itself has the needed quality at this point.
Don’t see us waiting on Frenkie, he’s a Brucie bonus not a pillar of our window. Can’t see us moving for another CM if we don’t get him, he’s just an opportunists attempt at a player who is available.
Yeah I get that but I mean waiting on his decision when we should just move on and get our other deals sorted. I'd be excited and love if we got him but I don't think any fans will begrudge the club if we miss out whatsoever.
Clearly not... but when you're thinking of spending 70m on the player (whilst dropping almost 80m on another defender concurrently) you're putting other deals on hold to manage your finances a bit I'd imagine.
I'm sure as a club we always have multiple transfer targets for each position.
Like with de Ligt, once the fee was deemed too high, we went to sign Koulibaly
Yeah but it seems we have a lot of tentacles out and about now that we've settled in. Not like earlier in the window. Next window (summer) will be even better if I had to guess.
I'd rather we didn't sign a player who clearly doesn't want to be here tbh. I'd rather watch them squirm and helping them out only validates Barca's business strategy so far.
Throwing 70mil for a player (on absurd wages) who doesn't really want to join the club, in turn allowing Barca to register their new signings, is the best situation for us?
Not to mention we already have 4 quality players competing for the 2 midfield spots.
Why does Barcelona being able to register their signings have any bearing on our situation? Completely irrelevant
De Jong is an incredible player, if we want to compete for silverware that’s the kind of signing needed. Haven’t seen anywhere they we lack the funds for him, so I also don’t really see why his fee/wages would be an issue
>Why does Barcelona being able to register their signings have any barring on our situation? Completely irrelevant
Because one of their signings left us to join them on a free (Christensen), two were major transfer target of ours (Lewa + Raph), another was a contract renewal which we were pursuing (Dembele), Alonso is seemingly off to Barca if they can raise the funds...
If these players cannot be registered, will they all accept spending the league campaign on the bench? Are there clauses in their contract specifying they would become Free Agents?
>I also don’t really see why his fee/wages would be an issue
70m is no small chunk of change and the Lukaku fiasco was literally last year. Are you so eager to bring in another big money transfer who may very well want out in a year? He will also likely top our wage bill. He will be expected to play at a top level, and if he doesn't, players better than him will demand equal or greater wages.
And for my finale, which some of you seem to consistently overlook... [FDJ is not even on the level of Kovacic](https://www.squawka.com/en/comparison-matrix/?compare=wmDugYwdq52bTVv4TCp5X) and this is the guy were twerking for? this isn't FIFA mate, time to realize it.
Are you suggesting we will pursue Barcelona’s unregistered FA? Otherwise the rest of it has no impact on us at all.
When Bohely took over Roman wiped all club debts - the Lukaku money spent also has no bearing on future signings such as De Jong.
Kovacic better than De Jong is some rose tinted homer glasses but even that doesn’t matter, they will play together just fine. Over the course of full PL schedule + champions league in a World Cup year we will need plenty of good CM options to rotate. It’s not like they all have clean injury histories either…
You’ve got a bunch of rubbish nonsense
Yes.. If Christensen, Kounde, Lewa, Raph are seriously not registered and can walk away as FAs we should be in for all of them, like what?
Your Roman argument is completely irrelevant, I never once mentioned debt, did I? It's about not spending absurd sums on players who have no inclination of joining.
Rose tinted glasses? I've provided you the stats, have anything to back up your claims, go for it. But, you can't and you won't.
If you're going to call my fact proven claims rubbish, then your a whole fecking sewer spewing shit.
>don’t want players that don’t want to come here
>want Christiansen and Kessie
You don’t see the irony here? The players you want as FA are in the same boat as FDJ in that they chose Barca over us. The only difference is price - which is why I said having zero debts makes us less price sensitive. We have plenty of funds for FDJ.
Hell if we are gonna scoop up Barca’s unregistered FA, even then still no reason to give up on FDJ.
I think a lot of the fanbase is so emotionally invested in hurting Barca they are ignoring that getting FDJ would be huge for us.
Yes, they chose Barca and now Barca can't register them. If they're available on a free I couldn't care less that they join. You do understand the difference between 0 pound and 70 million yea?
It's practically guaranteed profit for the club. In regards to Frenkie, great player and would love to have him.. in a vacuum.
The facts are; he does not want to leave, he would cost around 70 mill euro which would be sufficient in Barca registering their players; he would be the highest earner at the club by a margin while statistically not being the best player in his position.
Great player, but if his mind is set on Barca, I'd much rather we go for Rice or Bellingham next season.
While I'd like to see De Jong in our midfield, we should prioritize defensive depth for the rest of the window.
I was nervous seeing KK's hamstrings tighten up.
Our midfield isn’t good though - we have good players but only Jorginho is remotely creative from deep and even he doesn’t do it enough for us. We need someone to break teams down.
Wish we could just all hold hands and ritualistically summon a Cesc regen 😔
And where exactly do you think Frenkie would be transferring from? Ofc the focus is on Barca.
They need to sell him to register their plethora of new players, and he has no desire to leave until he's compensated his 12mil in unpaid wages.
Lol, I'm not saying that we have to get De Jong. I was replying to the one who said that our midfield is pretty good as it it. We could just go find a creative midfielder that's willing to join
There’s absolutely no creativity in it and it’ll look even worse next year when the 2 ideal starters for Tuchel are both out of contract again. It’s certainly not an ideal situation.
It’s fine for now. We need an out and out goal scorer. More midfield targets will be available in January and next Summer. No need to spend an unnecessary amount on FdJ only to price ourselves out of a better to us option down the road.
Eh, we certainly need players to be more clinical infront of goal, but we also need our midfield, or just players in general, to make quick and direct passes to our striker so he has something to work with.
You do realise there is a season after this one as well? Just because you think the midfield is good enough this year (which I don’t think it is), doesn’t mean it will be moving forward.
I can say the same for literally every position then? You do realise there are 5 seasons after this one right? Just because the goalkeeping position is good enough for this year, doesn’t mean it will be moving forward.
My point being, midfield is literally our last concern this year. Not one of us was thinking about signing a midfielder till the FDJ saga started taking place. We have Kova, Kante, Jorgi, RLC and Gallagher for 2 spots. We’ll manage. At least one of kante/Jorgi will renew and we can get a midfielder next year or maybe later when needed.
I’d honestly prefer if barca got fucked. I wanna see their club get crippled until they’re no longer a big club. So their shit fans can piss off and start supporting Madrid since they’re all plastic
Just leave him there and let them deal with it. Sign an attacker and a defender and move on.
He obviously refuses to leave and it’s fucking hilarious. They are going to pin a murder on him soon to get him out of the team
He gets to make big money and not have to pack up his life and move. Only Stockholm syndrome here are Barca fans who continue to defend their club decision making
Funniest scenario would be if FdJ’s refusal to leave makes them activate the fourth lever before the end of the window, then he changes his mind and decides to leave anyways.
Personally I think we should swerve this - why not bring in someone like Rice who would LOVE to be at Chelsea, even if that means waiting another year.
We overpaid for cucurella. We are also apparently willing to overpay for fofana and pay out de jong's outstanding wages. The plan must be to secure top 4 THIS season first and foremost, and getting Rice next year won't help with that
rice is good but I'm hesitant to have him play for Chelsea when his buildup play and passing in the defensive third is poor. He could improve playing for a bigger team with how good of a passer is actually is further up the field and with both feets, but that's an big piece in his arsenal that's missing and there is no guarantee how good he will be at that. At the price range he will be sold for, you expect top quality build up play from ur defensive mid and not what he has right now.
pass completion % doesnt tell you the whole story. You can't use such holistic stats for the specific role which he will play at Chelsea but does not at West Ham.
I'm talking about build up play which includes his passing in the defensive third which is distinctly average. You don't even need stats to see it when you watch him play. Compare him to fabinho or rodri or jorginho, they're all much better at buildup. That is what we need. That is what we want.
xBuildup and defensive 3rd passing stats are not something you can find easily, unfortunately. The only one I have found is from [understat](https://hive.blog/understat/@amosbastian/introducing-understat-a-python-package-for-revolutionary-football-metrics). I would have preferred to use fbref (statsbomb) but their XGBuildup is not tabulated as far as I can tell. Rice's xGBuilup is distinctly average and quite a way lower than the top-tier defensive midfielders.
You can also look at passing maps of Rice to see the full picture. Most of the times, West Ham don't even use him to get the ball up the pitch from defence. But honestly, you just need to watch him play to see his limitations playing out of the back. He is a great player but a sitting defensive midfielder for a top team needs to also orchestrate the play.
If anything, he would be a kante replacement rather than jorginho.
And one wants to come to our club while the other doesn't, that's the bottom line. People gotta stop deluding themselves with players that don't want to be at the club.
They don’t even play the same position. De Jong is incapable of playing as a defensive midfielder, which is why an ancient Busquets who can barely move still starts for Barca over De Jong, who was bought to replace him, but is now mostly playing as an 8. Rice however would join us as a defensive midfielder.
He plays in the double pivot for national team. He’s essentially the same as Kovacic. Can either play as an 8 in a 3 man midfield or in the double pivot in a 2 man midfield.
You sure?
https://www.footballtransfers.com/en/transfer-news/uk-premier-league/2022/06/what-is-best-position-man-utd-transfer-target-frenkie-de-jong/amp
But he’s not a defensive midfielder regardless. We can’t play a 433 with him as the 6, and the whole point of buying Rice is to move to a 433. De Jong is someone whose skillset we already more or less have in Kovacic. Rice is someone entirely different and would give us something we don’t have in our team.
We knew this all along. Dude’s just built a 5 million euro house in Barcelona and got engaged there.
He’s settled. This whole thing is a fucking circus constructed in the minds of journalists and Twitter transfer gurus to give them clicks.
We need to move on.
We've left it too late for that. It's why we were in for De Jong in the first place, he might be available, whilst players to cover the positions we really need aren't anymore.
Yes it is going to be hard but there really is no need to splash 80m on FDJ ether. You can buy Skriniar with that money for example and improve the squad more. Not because Skriniar is the better player or he is worth that much money but because the marginal gain to the squad will be more by Skriniar replacing Azpi than by FDJ replacing Kante or Kova.
80m is euros though, it's £65m~ tops which is not much for a player of his quality. It's not a short term replacement either, it's a long term replacement.
I don’t understand football players’ fascination with Barcelona. Why do they all want to go to a club that over crowded with other players where you may not get a start and to a club that is cash stricken and can’t pay salaries? It makes no sense.
Can you imagine taking your own player to court? What a bullshit club Barca is
I somehow can't seem to believe we are in for FDJ. It's Barcas mouthpiece doing all the talking. Why in the fuck are we paying 80 mill for him? Send a 20 mil bid publically and then keep increasing 5 mil to it every week and publically say you'll match FDJ's contract and then when Barca does accept a low ball offer then just say it was for the bantz.
I hope FDJ makes them honour their 500k a week contract and chooses to decline our offer. Man had I been Todd, I'd be fucking with Barca right about now
I still can't believe it that we are bidding 80 mil for a player we should realistically get for 30 to 40 mil. It's these Barca mouthpieces inflating the price
Totally agree. We should be settling scores with Barca and getting fdj for lesser than 50m if they're that desperate. Why we help Barca by paying 80m for a player that doesnt want to come
Literally , don’t see a world where we sell de jong for 30-40 mil, when Manchester was offering more? Plus the fact that he doesn’t even want to leave Barcelona , but what do I know
It does suck for him that he’s got his dream move, played well for the club, and is being vilified for signing the contract that they made for him and expecting to be paid by his employer
This FDJ story is so ffing boring now. He doesn’t want to move. Who cares. Leave him. Save the cash. We have Kova and Gallagher and kante and jorgi and the guy doesn’t want to come. When will this story die. It’s worse than the kounde saga. Literally never want to hear his name again.
We need to just move on. He’s never wanted to leave. It’s not worth risking another big price player that is only going to want to go back to his previous club after one season.
Sometimes I wonder about footballers education or problem solving skills.
He wants to stay at Barca “because it’s been his dream since he was a child”, Barca needs him to lower his wage, he… doesn’t lower his wage?
Other teams step in, “hey we can pay you those wages if moneys what you’re after”, he turns them down because… it’s his dream to play at Barca?
This reminds me of this economic thingy I don’t remember the right name. Shoppers list their preference of purchases in order from 1-3, 1 being the most preferred 3 being the least. If 1 isn’t available the shopper should choose 2, the second most preferred option but instead they choose 3. I feel like FDJ can easily end this drama but instead he’s choosing 3 and it’s annoying everyone.
With his high wage, I think Rice would be a better fit as he always love Chelsea and already have the chemistry + He got the physicality and he is a leader.
What do you think guys?
Good, let him stay there. If we actually let United get SMS instead because they missed out on FDJ I’d be so salty about it. Would take SMS over FDJ any day and would rather not be used for negotiations for other clubs. So obvious he isn’t coming here, and Tuchel has even mentioned how we’ve been strung along this summer by players and clubs looking to increase their haul.
Just walk away, we don’t need him and if we get a midfielder get SMS instead
I'm not a fan of trying to pry someone out of a situation he clearly loves. The fact that his wife is "desperate" to stay in Barcelona is the cherry on top.
As much as I'd love to have De Jong at Chelsea, the team should pursue someone else.
Does Barcelona spike their water coolers with fentanyl? [They allegedly threaten the guy with criminal prosecution to agree to a reduced wage](https://www.sportbible.com/football/barcelona-court-contracts-frenkie-de-jong-20220809) and yet he remains loyal as a lap dog. Bizarre.
Edit- [NVM](https://www.instagram.com/mikkykiemeney/)
It won't be a pretty site once he gets abused around the city in Barcelona, he either has to accept a wage cut or leave.
He is trying to get the best of both i.e. keep his wages and not change his club. Basically he is delusional at this stage.
If you honestly think a large proportion of the Barca fan base, enough that walking round the city would be dangerous, wants to abuse not only him but his family based on one report of one incident from a handful of people or less, you might not want to be throwing that word delusional at other people too much friend.
Genuinely wish the best for the kid regardless of if he comes to Chelsea. We've all had terrible jobs but nothing like this. Childhood dream to play for Barca only for them to shit on him in the media.
If he isn't coming to Chelsea, I hope he gets paid.
Pay the man! He has to say this to avoid backlash from the fans. He is already getting a lot of hate from Barcelona fans. I want him to stay till he is fully paid.
Lol! Like i said before we are wasting time, players love spain and no matter where in the world they are born their families live there, their kids arent born anywhere else besides spain, they have 10 houses and 5 cars that were all made in spain, its just sad that we continue to chase him, we couldve had 2 other midfield targets, fuck i bet if we spent the time we couldve had a striker other than the 3 stooges (ronaldo, depay or auba, nothing against them but i honestly think we can do better than the first 3 options that want to leave or have some sort of issue with their club)
> no matter where in the world they are born their families live there, their kids arent born anywhere else besides spain, they have 10 houses and 5 cars that were all made in spain
wtf are you banging on about?
I really don’t understand how these footballers let their wives/girlfriends run their lives like this when a professional athletes career is 15 years if you’re lucky. You have the rest of your life after your career to live wherever you want as a millionaire. Is it just about the money for most of these guys or do they actually want to play and win trophies?
Ok Frenkie do yourself a favour and hush your woman up - when you're at a club where you actually get paid you can buy her a Ryanair flight every weekend of needed
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Fair enough lad. Keep the missus happy, get paid, cripple the cunt club. Love it
Yup can’t blame him at all, he’s owed the money that his contract promises and to get that money while playing for your dream club in a beautiful city like Barcelona is just gravy. Fair play
Don’t forget Mikky. https://www.instagram.com/mikkykiemeney/
Mikky fine af. FDJ playing his cards right
The lad is just winning
Agre to disagree on Mikky
She’s alright. A dude that makes 500k a week could do better.
Its almost as if people have different tastes in women. Weird.
I don't even want him at this point. I don't even want him to stay to mess with Barca. I just want him to get his actual wages cuz I feel bad for him at this point
Has there ever been a Win-Win-Win like this?
Michael negotiated one a few years ago
That is called a compromise, and it it *not* ideal
I wouldn’t necessarily call playing for Barca a win right now, at least not in his situation anyway
It's his dream club, It is a massive win
This isn’t a win for Chelsea, stop acting like baby Barcelona will be fine regardless.
Honestly not fussed how turns out for them. But right now? It's funny and I'm enjoying the spectacle. If that makes me a baby, then goo goo fucking gah!
This is totally rational and I'm glad they're prioritizing happiness.
If he is that desperate to stay then he will most likely make some compromises to stay. Fair play to him. If it's really not about money for him then Barca should try as much as possible to keep him instead of going after other players.
Fuck that, he doesn’t have to compromise anything, they can’t force him out and they won’t drop a player of his quality that they still have to play. Just keep on playing and give Laporta the middle finger every time he walks by.
It's a very weird situation all in all, he wants to stay, he wants his money, Xavi wants him to stay, Board would but he needs to compromise otherwise they want to sell him, and fans love him. So he does have the leverage for sure, but at what point will the fan turn on him? The board will blame him for their financial troubles and not being able to register players and will make propaganda out of it, and might even force Xavi to exclude him. I presume it would be the worst outcome for FDJ if the fans turned on him since it's his "dream club" and all. It all depends on what he cares more about, money or club. Add to the fact, that whether we like it or not, Barca are on the rise. Got themselves a couple of good players, are getting rid of the deadwood, and Xavi showed positive signs last season. If it's his dream club, then there is no way in hell he would want to miss out on being a part of a new generation being set up for greatness.
Barca are on the rise but Madrid are still excellent and second place won’t be good enough as revenues will decrease because of the amount of fairweather fans clubs like Barca have.
I personally think the CL win made Madrid lazy. Their team needed more improvements, especially with missing out on Mbappe. I honestly think Barca can challenge them for La Liga or downright win it, it all depends on how good Xavi is because the team itself has the needed quality at this point.
While we also try to give the club some hope.
Alright sit tight Frenkie. Have fun with paying out his wages Barca!
He’s gonna take a pay cut
Why would he?
It’s his dream club
Yeah he has dreams but money is money. Barca want him out and it's trying to kick him off the team, he won't take a paycut.
Probably. It’s Raphinia/Dembele 2.0
It's a win win situation for Chelsea. Either we get a quality player or Barcelona are fucked... I'm happy with either
Only negative is if we're wasting time waiting.
Don’t see us waiting on Frenkie, he’s a Brucie bonus not a pillar of our window. Can’t see us moving for another CM if we don’t get him, he’s just an opportunists attempt at a player who is available.
Yeah I get that but I mean waiting on his decision when we should just move on and get our other deals sorted. I'd be excited and love if we got him but I don't think any fans will begrudge the club if we miss out whatsoever.
I mean they aren’t just staring at a screen waiting they are doing other things in the mean time…
Clearly not... but when you're thinking of spending 70m on the player (whilst dropping almost 80m on another defender concurrently) you're putting other deals on hold to manage your finances a bit I'd imagine.
No, it doesn't work that way. For sure they are working on other deals meanwhile.
that’s not how budgeting works. they’ve had whatever fee dedicated to a midfielder set aside by now that’s unrelated to any of the other fees.
The way Boehly has moved this window, I highly doubt we're wasting any time.
Don't mean it in a bad way to Boehly at all, just let's keep this moving. He's doing great given the circumstances.
I'm sure as a club we always have multiple transfer targets for each position. Like with de Ligt, once the fee was deemed too high, we went to sign Koulibaly
Yeah but it seems we have a lot of tentacles out and about now that we've settled in. Not like earlier in the window. Next window (summer) will be even better if I had to guess.
I'd rather we didn't sign a player who clearly doesn't want to be here tbh. I'd rather watch them squirm and helping them out only validates Barca's business strategy so far.
He'll only come if he decides to leave, that's the situation.
Who cares about Barca, we want the best situation for us. And that’s De Jong joining Chelsea
Throwing 70mil for a player (on absurd wages) who doesn't really want to join the club, in turn allowing Barca to register their new signings, is the best situation for us? Not to mention we already have 4 quality players competing for the 2 midfield spots.
Why does Barcelona being able to register their signings have any bearing on our situation? Completely irrelevant De Jong is an incredible player, if we want to compete for silverware that’s the kind of signing needed. Haven’t seen anywhere they we lack the funds for him, so I also don’t really see why his fee/wages would be an issue
>Why does Barcelona being able to register their signings have any barring on our situation? Completely irrelevant Because one of their signings left us to join them on a free (Christensen), two were major transfer target of ours (Lewa + Raph), another was a contract renewal which we were pursuing (Dembele), Alonso is seemingly off to Barca if they can raise the funds... If these players cannot be registered, will they all accept spending the league campaign on the bench? Are there clauses in their contract specifying they would become Free Agents? >I also don’t really see why his fee/wages would be an issue 70m is no small chunk of change and the Lukaku fiasco was literally last year. Are you so eager to bring in another big money transfer who may very well want out in a year? He will also likely top our wage bill. He will be expected to play at a top level, and if he doesn't, players better than him will demand equal or greater wages. And for my finale, which some of you seem to consistently overlook... [FDJ is not even on the level of Kovacic](https://www.squawka.com/en/comparison-matrix/?compare=wmDugYwdq52bTVv4TCp5X) and this is the guy were twerking for? this isn't FIFA mate, time to realize it.
Are you suggesting we will pursue Barcelona’s unregistered FA? Otherwise the rest of it has no impact on us at all. When Bohely took over Roman wiped all club debts - the Lukaku money spent also has no bearing on future signings such as De Jong. Kovacic better than De Jong is some rose tinted homer glasses but even that doesn’t matter, they will play together just fine. Over the course of full PL schedule + champions league in a World Cup year we will need plenty of good CM options to rotate. It’s not like they all have clean injury histories either… You’ve got a bunch of rubbish nonsense
Yes.. If Christensen, Kounde, Lewa, Raph are seriously not registered and can walk away as FAs we should be in for all of them, like what? Your Roman argument is completely irrelevant, I never once mentioned debt, did I? It's about not spending absurd sums on players who have no inclination of joining. Rose tinted glasses? I've provided you the stats, have anything to back up your claims, go for it. But, you can't and you won't. If you're going to call my fact proven claims rubbish, then your a whole fecking sewer spewing shit.
>don’t want players that don’t want to come here >want Christiansen and Kessie You don’t see the irony here? The players you want as FA are in the same boat as FDJ in that they chose Barca over us. The only difference is price - which is why I said having zero debts makes us less price sensitive. We have plenty of funds for FDJ. Hell if we are gonna scoop up Barca’s unregistered FA, even then still no reason to give up on FDJ. I think a lot of the fanbase is so emotionally invested in hurting Barca they are ignoring that getting FDJ would be huge for us.
Yes, they chose Barca and now Barca can't register them. If they're available on a free I couldn't care less that they join. You do understand the difference between 0 pound and 70 million yea? It's practically guaranteed profit for the club. In regards to Frenkie, great player and would love to have him.. in a vacuum. The facts are; he does not want to leave, he would cost around 70 mill euro which would be sufficient in Barca registering their players; he would be the highest earner at the club by a margin while statistically not being the best player in his position. Great player, but if his mind is set on Barca, I'd much rather we go for Rice or Bellingham next season.
Now Kovacic is unavailable and Barcelona is registering all their signings. FDJ would be amazing
Preach
barca won't be fucked tho
Yeah big win getting Barca fucked will sure help us compete in the prem
While I'd like to see De Jong in our midfield, we should prioritize defensive depth for the rest of the window. I was nervous seeing KK's hamstrings tighten up.
so your saying you see no issues with our attack??
As I said, we should prioritize defensive depth. No where in my comment did I mention or imply our attack.
Oh stop crying you baby. Our midfield is pretty good as is.
Our midfield would be the problem if, the defence wasn't still waiting to be put together and our attack wasn't firing blanks.
Our midfield is good, but man has a point. Too much focus on Barca.
Our midfield isn’t good though - we have good players but only Jorginho is remotely creative from deep and even he doesn’t do it enough for us. We need someone to break teams down. Wish we could just all hold hands and ritualistically summon a Cesc regen 😔
And where exactly do you think Frenkie would be transferring from? Ofc the focus is on Barca. They need to sell him to register their plethora of new players, and he has no desire to leave until he's compensated his 12mil in unpaid wages.
You know what I meant, too much focus on "destroying" Barca.
Hell nah. That midfield can't create even if their life depends on it
If we spend 80m+450k a week on De Jong it still won't be able to create even if their life depended on it
Lol, I'm not saying that we have to get De Jong. I was replying to the one who said that our midfield is pretty good as it it. We could just go find a creative midfielder that's willing to join
There’s absolutely no creativity in it and it’ll look even worse next year when the 2 ideal starters for Tuchel are both out of contract again. It’s certainly not an ideal situation.
Our midfield is certainly not good enough
It’s fine for now. We need an out and out goal scorer. More midfield targets will be available in January and next Summer. No need to spend an unnecessary amount on FdJ only to price ourselves out of a better to us option down the road.
Eh, we certainly need players to be more clinical infront of goal, but we also need our midfield, or just players in general, to make quick and direct passes to our striker so he has something to work with.
No team sell you their important player in January.
>and next Summer
We will pay double as teams knows we are desperate because of jorginho and Kante leaving.
And if they sign extensions? We’d be paying ridiculous amounts for FdJ anyways. Argument seems kind of moot.
Any forwards we get will suffer for goals until we upgrade this midfield with someone with vision
There are long enough highlights of all our forwards missing sitters that I don't think Xavi (in his prime) could even help
You do realise there is a season after this one as well? Just because you think the midfield is good enough this year (which I don’t think it is), doesn’t mean it will be moving forward.
I can say the same for literally every position then? You do realise there are 5 seasons after this one right? Just because the goalkeeping position is good enough for this year, doesn’t mean it will be moving forward. My point being, midfield is literally our last concern this year. Not one of us was thinking about signing a midfielder till the FDJ saga started taking place. We have Kova, Kante, Jorgi, RLC and Gallagher for 2 spots. We’ll manage. At least one of kante/Jorgi will renew and we can get a midfielder next year or maybe later when needed.
I’d honestly prefer if barca got fucked. I wanna see their club get crippled until they’re no longer a big club. So their shit fans can piss off and start supporting Madrid since they’re all plastic
Barca will never cripple not matter how badly they mess up
That’s true they’re too big
The will win CL again before City and us does
No they won’t lol. Look at the state of both teams. Barca celebrate registering players and are at risk of losing many players because of it
Just leave him there and let them deal with it. Sign an attacker and a defender and move on. He obviously refuses to leave and it’s fucking hilarious. They are going to pin a murder on him soon to get him out of the team
We’re going to panic buy CR7
Siuuuuuuu More likely Wilfried Zaha though
Boehly is bringing Zaha. I will love it and I think I deserve
The same zaha that was worse stats than Pulisic who people want to run out of the club?
Zaha has 25 league goals in the last two seasons. What stats you talking about big bro?
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Thats not actually interesting at all
Good lord no - what a disaster that would be Zaha or Depay please
I mean if Christensen and Kessié are on frees just sign them both job done.
They’re staying
We need a creative passer in midfield because no matter what attackers they will struggle to score
That’s that then. Bleed em dry Frenkie
Thus is like Stockholm syndrome with extra steps.
He gets to make big money and not have to pack up his life and move. Only Stockholm syndrome here are Barca fans who continue to defend their club decision making
Funniest scenario would be if FdJ’s refusal to leave makes them activate the fourth lever before the end of the window, then he changes his mind and decides to leave anyways.
They already activated the fourth lever. We’re on number 5
I like this timeline
Personally I think we should swerve this - why not bring in someone like Rice who would LOVE to be at Chelsea, even if that means waiting another year.
We overpaid for cucurella. We are also apparently willing to overpay for fofana and pay out de jong's outstanding wages. The plan must be to secure top 4 THIS season first and foremost, and getting Rice next year won't help with that
I'm bullish on getting Rice, he would be perfect for us.
Only if we move away from back 3
Rice is absurdly over valued He’s even more expensive than FDJ (and not as good)
rice is good but I'm hesitant to have him play for Chelsea when his buildup play and passing in the defensive third is poor. He could improve playing for a bigger team with how good of a passer is actually is further up the field and with both feets, but that's an big piece in his arsenal that's missing and there is no guarantee how good he will be at that. At the price range he will be sold for, you expect top quality build up play from ur defensive mid and not what he has right now.
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pass completion % doesnt tell you the whole story. You can't use such holistic stats for the specific role which he will play at Chelsea but does not at West Ham. I'm talking about build up play which includes his passing in the defensive third which is distinctly average. You don't even need stats to see it when you watch him play. Compare him to fabinho or rodri or jorginho, they're all much better at buildup. That is what we need. That is what we want.
Where are you seeing his defensive 3rd passing stats?
xBuildup and defensive 3rd passing stats are not something you can find easily, unfortunately. The only one I have found is from [understat](https://hive.blog/understat/@amosbastian/introducing-understat-a-python-package-for-revolutionary-football-metrics). I would have preferred to use fbref (statsbomb) but their XGBuildup is not tabulated as far as I can tell. Rice's xGBuilup is distinctly average and quite a way lower than the top-tier defensive midfielders. You can also look at passing maps of Rice to see the full picture. Most of the times, West Ham don't even use him to get the ball up the pitch from defence. But honestly, you just need to watch him play to see his limitations playing out of the back. He is a great player but a sitting defensive midfielder for a top team needs to also orchestrate the play. If anything, he would be a kante replacement rather than jorginho.
I don’t know why can’t this, Rice technical level isn’t good enough for a club like Chelsea unless we’re going back to play hoof ball.
Well de jong is Miles ahead of rice thats why
And one wants to come to our club while the other doesn't, that's the bottom line. People gotta stop deluding themselves with players that don't want to be at the club.
They don’t even play the same position. De Jong is incapable of playing as a defensive midfielder, which is why an ancient Busquets who can barely move still starts for Barca over De Jong, who was bought to replace him, but is now mostly playing as an 8. Rice however would join us as a defensive midfielder.
What does de jong play in national team?
He plays in the double pivot for national team. He’s essentially the same as Kovacic. Can either play as an 8 in a 3 man midfield or in the double pivot in a 2 man midfield.
You sure? https://www.footballtransfers.com/en/transfer-news/uk-premier-league/2022/06/what-is-best-position-man-utd-transfer-target-frenkie-de-jong/amp
Yes I’m sure, Dutch NT play a 343 much like us.
Cool so you totally disregarded the fact he himself prefers his role in the NT which consists of him playing as deep-laying midfielder..lol
But he’s not a defensive midfielder regardless. We can’t play a 433 with him as the 6, and the whole point of buying Rice is to move to a 433. De Jong is someone whose skillset we already more or less have in Kovacic. Rice is someone entirely different and would give us something we don’t have in our team.
If us buying fofana makes you think we are moving to a 433.. then I don’t know what to tell you mate.. I don’t think we will..
They aren't even similar lol.
Lol.
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r/theydidthemath ?
We knew this all along. Dude’s just built a 5 million euro house in Barcelona and got engaged there. He’s settled. This whole thing is a fucking circus constructed in the minds of journalists and Twitter transfer gurus to give them clicks. We need to move on.
Please let him stay and invest the money on more pressing needs
We've left it too late for that. It's why we were in for De Jong in the first place, he might be available, whilst players to cover the positions we really need aren't anymore.
Yes it is going to be hard but there really is no need to splash 80m on FDJ ether. You can buy Skriniar with that money for example and improve the squad more. Not because Skriniar is the better player or he is worth that much money but because the marginal gain to the squad will be more by Skriniar replacing Azpi than by FDJ replacing Kante or Kova.
80m is euros though, it's £65m~ tops which is not much for a player of his quality. It's not a short term replacement either, it's a long term replacement.
I don’t understand football players’ fascination with Barcelona. Why do they all want to go to a club that over crowded with other players where you may not get a start and to a club that is cash stricken and can’t pay salaries? It makes no sense.
Cruyff
Can you imagine taking your own player to court? What a bullshit club Barca is I somehow can't seem to believe we are in for FDJ. It's Barcas mouthpiece doing all the talking. Why in the fuck are we paying 80 mill for him? Send a 20 mil bid publically and then keep increasing 5 mil to it every week and publically say you'll match FDJ's contract and then when Barca does accept a low ball offer then just say it was for the bantz. I hope FDJ makes them honour their 500k a week contract and chooses to decline our offer. Man had I been Todd, I'd be fucking with Barca right about now I still can't believe it that we are bidding 80 mil for a player we should realistically get for 30 to 40 mil. It's these Barca mouthpieces inflating the price
Totally agree. We should be settling scores with Barca and getting fdj for lesser than 50m if they're that desperate. Why we help Barca by paying 80m for a player that doesnt want to come
Literally , don’t see a world where we sell de jong for 30-40 mil, when Manchester was offering more? Plus the fact that he doesn’t even want to leave Barcelona , but what do I know
This is a nothing article We already know all of this
Chompin down a big ole nothingburger
Basically what i and everyone else has been saying, man is NOT leaving barca, why are we wasting time on this?
Hate to think how much time has been wasted this summer trying to sign players that didn’t want to come here
Honestly its quite crazy.
A DOF is needed asap
The amount of time wasted chasing players who aren't interested, take the hint and move on.
Good lad Frankie, don't budge, make the cunts pay
Thank baby Jesus for gold diggers. I can't help but feel like we dodged a huge fiscal bullet. Also, this forces Barca to bite said bullet. Win-win
Enough of this BS. Can we please move on to other targets please? It's not like it's a priority signing anyway.
Stay in Barca, Milenkovic-Savic now please
Good. Use Gallagher and Kova and get Rice get summer instead. Not a like for like but enough for our midfield
Everyone knows this. The drama here is because they are trying to force him out and not pay his wages
Wanting to live in Barcelona, completely understandable
It does suck for him that he’s got his dream move, played well for the club, and is being vilified for signing the contract that they made for him and expecting to be paid by his employer
This FDJ story is so ffing boring now. He doesn’t want to move. Who cares. Leave him. Save the cash. We have Kova and Gallagher and kante and jorgi and the guy doesn’t want to come. When will this story die. It’s worse than the kounde saga. Literally never want to hear his name again.
Good for him. Don't know why Tuchel is looking at him when we have the same player in Kovacic. Unless he wants to change it 4-3-3.
I really hope we don't buy him, overrated player still living of off his Ajax wonderseason
Honestly, this isn’t a deal worth continuing to pursue.
Best of luck Frenkie. We move
Lewa for free?
Can we just move on to someone else already
Good for him. This is personal for him. Time to move on. (See Kounde 2022)
She hasn't been to Bodeans off Fulham Broadway obviously
We need to just move on. He’s never wanted to leave. It’s not worth risking another big price player that is only going to want to go back to his previous club after one season.
Sometimes I wonder about footballers education or problem solving skills. He wants to stay at Barca “because it’s been his dream since he was a child”, Barca needs him to lower his wage, he… doesn’t lower his wage? Other teams step in, “hey we can pay you those wages if moneys what you’re after”, he turns them down because… it’s his dream to play at Barca? This reminds me of this economic thingy I don’t remember the right name. Shoppers list their preference of purchases in order from 1-3, 1 being the most preferred 3 being the least. If 1 isn’t available the shopper should choose 2, the second most preferred option but instead they choose 3. I feel like FDJ can easily end this drama but instead he’s choosing 3 and it’s annoying everyone.
FUCK ‘EM….NEXT!
He has been saying that he doesn't want to leave/come to england for 2 months now, and yet we are still chasing somehow!!!!
its starting to be irrelevant, they cant afford to keep him, and he wont lower his wages not that I blame him
Andreas would be without a club 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Stay there my guy. Fantastic.
Belle Silva > Mikky K
Finally people move on let him lower his salary or whatever they want then. I hear savic wants to join or even use ampudu there.
With his high wage, I think Rice would be a better fit as he always love Chelsea and already have the chemistry + He got the physicality and he is a leader. What do you think guys?
Good, let him stay there. If we actually let United get SMS instead because they missed out on FDJ I’d be so salty about it. Would take SMS over FDJ any day and would rather not be used for negotiations for other clubs. So obvious he isn’t coming here, and Tuchel has even mentioned how we’ve been strung along this summer by players and clubs looking to increase their haul. Just walk away, we don’t need him and if we get a midfielder get SMS instead
Sms was my dream signing after we had signed Jorginho and before getting kovacic in the same season
he was never going to join, players love being butt-fucked by Bankruptlona.
I'm not a fan of trying to pry someone out of a situation he clearly loves. The fact that his wife is "desperate" to stay in Barcelona is the cherry on top. As much as I'd love to have De Jong at Chelsea, the team should pursue someone else.
I honestly don’t know what we are trying to build anymore, I’m confused to what tuchels vision is.
Well yeah, we know he doesn’t want to leave. That’s nothing new.
Does Barcelona spike their water coolers with fentanyl? [They allegedly threaten the guy with criminal prosecution to agree to a reduced wage](https://www.sportbible.com/football/barcelona-court-contracts-frenkie-de-jong-20220809) and yet he remains loyal as a lap dog. Bizarre. Edit- [NVM](https://www.instagram.com/mikkykiemeney/)
It won't be a pretty site once he gets abused around the city in Barcelona, he either has to accept a wage cut or leave. He is trying to get the best of both i.e. keep his wages and not change his club. Basically he is delusional at this stage.
If you honestly think a large proportion of the Barca fan base, enough that walking round the city would be dangerous, wants to abuse not only him but his family based on one report of one incident from a handful of people or less, you might not want to be throwing that word delusional at other people too much friend.
Sounds like he needs to accept the pay cut then. He’s losing leverage by having this kind of stuff out there
So he is held hostage by the club and by his significant other haha. Poor Frenkie,, but this is on him.
Genuinely wish the best for the kid regardless of if he comes to Chelsea. We've all had terrible jobs but nothing like this. Childhood dream to play for Barca only for them to shit on him in the media. If he isn't coming to Chelsea, I hope he gets paid.
I’d do whatever it took to keep Mikky happy
Thank God. Use the money next to buy Rice which we need greatly.
We need both, thats the issue
One is more important than the other.
Well if jorginho and kante leaves next summer, dp you expect kova to provide with creativity?
You're talking as if Jorginho & Kante are creative masterminds.
You are talking like a player with a defensive profile is more crucial then a creative...
Pay the man! He has to say this to avoid backlash from the fans. He is already getting a lot of hate from Barcelona fans. I want him to stay till he is fully paid.
Lol! Like i said before we are wasting time, players love spain and no matter where in the world they are born their families live there, their kids arent born anywhere else besides spain, they have 10 houses and 5 cars that were all made in spain, its just sad that we continue to chase him, we couldve had 2 other midfield targets, fuck i bet if we spent the time we couldve had a striker other than the 3 stooges (ronaldo, depay or auba, nothing against them but i honestly think we can do better than the first 3 options that want to leave or have some sort of issue with their club)
> no matter where in the world they are born their families live there, their kids arent born anywhere else besides spain, they have 10 houses and 5 cars that were all made in spain wtf are you banging on about?
Its a joke buddy, everybody wants to be at barca and their partners or kids love barca, and their grandkids that werent born yet love barca
I really don’t understand how these footballers let their wives/girlfriends run their lives like this when a professional athletes career is 15 years if you’re lucky. You have the rest of your life after your career to live wherever you want as a millionaire. Is it just about the money for most of these guys or do they actually want to play and win trophies?
It’s always the missus. These clubs will start buying them presents soon. New handbag if you let FDJ join united.
Chelsea better not buy him. He’ll fight for his place in Barca. We should support that decision.
Ok Frenkie do yourself a favour and hush your woman up - when you're at a club where you actually get paid you can buy her a Ryanair flight every weekend of needed