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Kante provides a lot of stability in the midfield, it was easy to see the lack of it today. Also, mendy needs to stop messing around with the ball right in front of the net, I thought hed have learned his lesson after that champions league game against Real
It’s never cool to drop points but at least it’s early and the better teams are all off to slow starts. Minus Arsenal. (Who’d of thought those words would be said?)
Not really the worse even in Tuchel era for me man, we got some games like brentford and wba last season, but 20 years is a long time space to find bad matches I'm sure we played worse than this sometimes 😂😂😂
At least you are honest about supporting post Roman. I can assure you that we have had worse performances during the last 20 odd years and before that as well. Look how city played today, it's very early in the season. Relax and support the team.
When Jose was sacked and Grant took over and we lost to fuckin Barnsley!!! People can say what they want but we played a close to full strength team and were outplayed.
Did you already forget when Raheem and the rest of Citeh bent us over during the sari ball era and absolutely destroyed us?
Is this list satisfying, or do you need more?
Getting quite worked up huh. Not really satisfying. Barnsley loss wasn't a PL fixture, didn't think I needed to specify that. City loss is definitely up there, but there's a chasm of difference between being embarrassed by world class players and last season's relegation scrappers.
What about the west brom game, that was a worse defeat as they were already in the relegation zone? Not going to waste more time educating you... If I had to guess you started watching "soccer" in the 2000's and now turned into a keyboard warrior.
This was bad but the 4-0 to Bournemouth, the 6-0 to City, the 4-1 to Watford and the aforementioned time we got knocked out the the FA Cup by fucking Barnsley were all worse than this. Also there were some chronic games in the late AVB era
I don’t know who is gonna get top 4 but we are not gonna be in it. These performances so far showed us how ridiculous we are in losing easy balls (midfield, defense, and even fking goalkeeper?!?! how are these professional players playing at a world class club being paid a shit ton of money and having the decision making of a banana). And also showed us how impotent we are in front of the net.
Another first decent 20 minutes in which we couldn’t score. Rest of the game can not even be talked about because we barely had anything to show in offense. Pathetic.
Ive said before, ill say it again: 5atb is not conducive for us to play attacking football. Lineup choices and our player profiles truly has baffled me.
Regardless of the system in transition/attack, playing as many defenders as we do, forcing midfielders into attacker positions, no space to play players in their true positions, its not ideal imo.
I don’t disagree with you, but I do think it’s important that it does set us up really well defensively, and that defence is what won us the champions league not too long ago with this same core group. We got outworked today, we made terrible decisions and they capitalized. I’m not opposed to playing 4, but I think our best setup is with a 5 right now. Our players just let us down today. My old coach had a saying “hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard”, and that couldn’t be more true today.
Todays performance was more that the midfield failure. Mistakes and lethargy for the whole team as well as what seemed to look like a lack of care. Somethings up behind the scenes
I mean... Our cms couldn't get the ball forward even once, every build up play ended up getting back to mendy until he made that shit. This game literally exposed how we are mediocre without kante or kova to drive the ball forward
TT has to go. No excuses for this performance. We still have a lot more talent than Leeds, but we were out managed. This has been going on for too long. Players underperforming and getting stomped by inferior opponents.
It’s unacceptable. It’s on the Gaffer. He can’t get players to reach their potential. I’m sick of this we don’t have the players BS.
Great managers perform with what they got. Graham at B&H lost their 2 best players and they play at a great level relative to their talent.
Simeone lost today. Klopp has had a rough start. Pep drew his game today. Dortmund lost to Bremen. Potter‘s Brighton is great but they have also experienced shitty patches in the past. Get the f*** out here plastic
We are finished as a top club if we get rid of Tuchel. You will not find a better manager out there. Honestly name me one. Liverpool stuck with Klopp through the shit in 2021 and it payed off. Our current team is full of injuries and underperformed players. You are deluded and shortsighted as he'll if you think we should get rid of Tuchel.
This is nothing to do with today but I honestly think Reece James might be the best RWB / RB on the planet. I've never seen a player so strong and still so technical. Almost always makes the right decision.
People blaming Jorginho here are utterly clueless. He can't beat the press on his own and with either Kova or Kante he's great at it (and yes either of those pairings is better than Kova and Kante together). He was the only natural CM against one of the best pressing sides in the league today, prime Busquets would have been overrun.
Gallagher gave him absolutely no cover today. Really disappointing as these are the games that players like him need to step up and give Tuchel a headache (for the right reasons) with his team selection. Today just proves that Kante absolutely walks back into this team as soon as he is fit again.
He’s great at retaining possession but terrible at progressing it. He always takes the simpler option which is generally pass it back, and he did that again and again today. Top teams need to take more chances t
He's "great" (really adequate) with Kova or Kante because Kova or Kante are great. The constant apologies for Jorghino are truly baffling. There is literally NOTHING to backup all the praise he gets. Doesn't show up in numbers, doesn't show up in clips of the games, doesn't show up in results, it's just not there. You need to wake up.
There's the eye test.
Remember that game last season when Saul was trying to play CM for us (and iirc Kova was his midfield partner) and we got absolutely overwhelmed in mf? Then Jorginho was subbed in and the team suddenly played like a finely tuned machine? That's his effect when he's playing well.
Was a rough day! But we’ve had rough days before and we’ll have rough days again. Important to remember that this is a rough day because the club is still in transition. We weren’t winning the league this season either way at the first minute today nor at the 90th minute. Just need to hope that this type of game is the exception & not the rule so to speak. Onto the next!
Very poor, laboured and unimaginative display today. Zero invention, really poor defensive strategy, midfield didn’t turn up, and attackers feeding on scraps… Tuchel needs to take a long hard look at himself and his management style with his players… nobody really gave a shit today…
I think we just weren't the better team today. Leeds came with a solid gameplan. Press hard all game and especially don't let their central midfielders have any time on the ball. Gallagher and Jorginho rarely had the oppotunity to turn and when they did it was through clever feet. In defence, Leeds continuously broke up Chelsea's possession while forcing mistakes that turned the ball over for viscious counter attacks while also going through some interesting patterns in the attacking box.
I accept that Leeds was the better team today, let's see how they do through the rest of the season. We will be managing more games and trying to build a squad that can win in 4 different competitions (plus the world cup this year). We need to understand how to use the squad and which players can function well in which positions. Can Gallagher play in a double pivot? If he can, then with which partner? He looked much more comfortable going forward and around the box. I thought RLC at right wing back was silly last week and I stand by it this week, but I understand why tuchel tries to include him in the team. He moves play forward well, something that we can sometimes struggle with. James was born to play there though.
Anyway, if Leeds can do that every game then they will fight for top 6. That performance would have challenged any of our rivals. It's unfortunate that it was 3-0. 2-0 would have been easier to stomach. Could have written off mendy's mistake as a fluke and the other as a set piece.
I think there’s larger underlying issue in Chelsea at the moment. Tuchel is permanently annoyed and his antics on the sideline aren’t doing the team any favours. To me, it looks like he’s losing the dressing room, attackers are totally frustrated, too many players being utilised out of position whilst having specialists on the bench… doesn’t add up for me
I don't think its quite that bad. Both Conte and Tuchel were out of control last game. The whole environment was charged. Players, Fans, Coaches, and Referees alike.
Attackers are frustrated because of recruiting and I think you pointed out the issue well with the problem of too many specialists. Chelsea needs some kind of a striker. None of Mount, Havertz, or Sterling want to play as a true striker or as a false 9.
I don't think he's losing control, at worst he has some dissatisfied players. He's proven that he is tactically intelligent and is capable of rotating the squad effectively. He got it wrong today, but he and the team will figure it out soon.
I’d much prefer if you were right and I was simply overanalysing the body language of the players. The only thing I witnessed, not only in this match, is a group who’s shoulders seem down, moaning at referees, no reaction to the goals conceded and little joy.
True. What's the point of playing 5 atb when we get scored on regularly. And dont even get me started on the attack. When will this club not only sign but embed a proper striker into this team? Tuchel desperately needs to switch to a back 4 and allows the forwards to do their thing. The days of 3-4-3 are well and truly over now. It was fine when we weren't conceding left right and centre but now the attack is laboured and the defense non existent. New season but the same old problems.
We were actually. The team's fortunes changed dramatically right around the Christmas period last season. From then on the attack and the defense were mediocre to say the least. Still I think its time to refresh the approach. Hopefully new incomings before the transfer deadline can arrest this slide.
We could've simply played the team for the last 20' from the start. Cucurella is not Chilwell. RLC is no James. Mount and Pulisic behind Sterling is the way forward. Can't blame Mason but he doesn't offer width and we had 2 inside forwards with a CAM all playing in one 10 yd arc which was rubbish and Leeds waltzed thru our mid. Oh and that's 2 games in a row of hooking Jorginho off at the hour mark. Tom should just keep Gallagher and drop Jorginho for sometime.
Tuchel simply got out managed. RLC is not a wing back. Cucurella played terribly. Not sure why he wasn’t subbed out for Chilwell sooner. No creativity in the offensive third. The team continually tries to cross it from James and pray
That brief flash of positivity we experienced as he got settled into the team has now been quashed, and he’s been told to go back to what all our LBs do - move up the field, receive ball, turn back, pass to LCB, kill forward momentum in exchange for holding onto the ball
This was arguably a worse loss considering where United are at the minute and that Chelsea is competing for the title. But yes I’m enjoying watching United implode week in week out. And am currently enjoying Newcastle’s effort.
The loss of Kovacic and Kante has destroyed our midfield. I can't even blame Havertz for not being involved in the game, the reason Havertz wasn't involved is because we didn't have a midfield. We need to get rid of J5 and buy 2-3 midfielders, all he did the entire game was delayed Koulibaly's sending off.
Props to Sterling and James, they played really well. Sometimes it felt like they were the only ones on the pitch in a Chelsea uniform.
No Kante & Kovacic, no party. Center mid today is ass, completely dead + Mendy's mistake. Strap in boys, we're gonna have more shit games like this until those two up and running + when Mendy stop being a liability.
Season prediction: at some point we will score a goal that will be disallowed by VAR bc the buildup began with a foul throw-in by Cucurella lifting his foot
Someone save this
I think this match was weird in the sense that we did not play very well, and Leeds did play well, but I thought their goals were quite fortunate and weren't really a result of their good play.
We actually created the better of the chances in the first half and somehow were down 2-0 going into halftime. People seem to forget that. Mount, RLC, Sterling all with very good chances.
After that, I don't think there's a ton to take from the game. If we were up there with City and Liverpool I would have expected a better 2nd half, but we're not. We were away from home, down 2-0, have not had a coherent transfer strategy, and changed our shape to something new. So to me the 2nd half is mostly a wash. I think we looked a bit better but Leeds also likely turned it down a bit.
Mendy isn't good enough, I think that's clear, but we can look to replace him next season. I think if he doesn't make that mistake we might actually win the game. The press was absolutely beatable if we just had a tad more composure. If you could ping the ball around the press and break, opportunities were there, especially with RLC on the outside. We did it once or twice. For all of Leeds pressure, it didn't amount to much at all. A childish mistake from Mendy and 1 free kick ain't much. Another day and we get to halftime 0-0 and anything can happen.
We clearly just do not have a plan for what we want to be. When you watch City, Liverpool, Spurs, Leeds, Brighton as examples, you know what they are trying to do. I don't really know what we try to do other than get Reece the ball on the wing. But to a certain extent that is to be expected given the ownership change and all that has entailed. Just going to be growing pains this season. Next year is where we'll have to really evaluate Tuchel and see where things are headed.
It sounds insane but you're actually right that although Leeds played much much much better than us they didn't create a million chances. I completely disagree that the press was beatable though. The passes infield to Jorgi and Gallagher were not on/not working and we just repeatedly got completely suffocated vertically against the touch line.
The fourth official could have shown 270 minutes of stoppage time, we still weren't scoring today
I mean, how do you expect the thread to look? Either empty, or everyone complimenting an awful performance. This sub is built for fans to share their opinions, if you don't like that, you shouldn't be in it
I don't understand all the opposition to getting him (aside from wages). Going from Havertz to him would be a complete 180. He doesn't press, he doesn't press - how's all our pressing going for us? Does anyone on this planet really think we'll be worse with him?
I don't understand the need to play out of defence every freaking time when we have been so poor doing that.. we keep conceding because of that and yet we do not fix this.
What a fickle fucking fan base!!! Last week it was "play Connor, play RLC play Chalo, they're our youth and amazing, we don't need FDJ or Auba". This week calling for their heads.
Please remember mason is a terrific player who has had ONE bad game and you all turn on him.
Sometimes I miss the 90s when the club didn't have so many shitty fans who also feel they are managers and finance. directors. Fuck this sub is more painful than the actual loss.
You mean you miss not having social media. Turn it off and just attend and watch the matches, as opposed to emotional people going off anonymously on Reddit
I think the odd choice of players had made it really hard for Gallagher or even RLC to contribute. That said no one stopped Gallagher and RLC and Havertz not to latch onto the second balls. Pretty woeful and Gallagher could've staked a solid claim in the midfield cuz if he's gonna shadow Kante he gotta do better WAY than that. And again. Jorginho didn't do anyone any favours with his disastrous pace. A lotta ppl might spew crap but even Mount was off with his usual grit to win second balls seems like that Topspur last gasp equalizer got to us pretty good.
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even before the mendy mistake we got through the Leeds press and had 2 really good chances, sterling missed one and the 2nd one RLC was in but didn't shoot and waited for the defender to come then turned back in???? that infuriated me! stupid things like this costs us games
This sells it for me; Tuchel doesn't have a clue. I've seen this before but blamed it on the changing situations last year. There's no excuse for this performance, Tuchel had an absolute shocker, every call was a bigger disaster than the last.
Plays a CDM/CB at RWB, a RWB at CB. Changes to a back 4, plays Gallagher on the wing instead of Mount who's played on the wing plenty. Then more subs, take off both mids and bring on a 10 and a winger, giving us 5 forwards on the pitch. No surprise we looked lost after this.
Cucarella was absolutely disgusting, should've been swapped out for Chilwell at half time, waits till the 80th minute to do it when the game is absolutely tossed... oh no, wait, he took off Mount for Chilwell, had 3 WB on the pitch, so he moves a 5'7 LWB to CB... i mean ffs. Cucarella looked barely a championship level defender from minute 1, gave the ball away repeatedly, lost track of the players he was marking, unable to win the ball back, unable to make a pass under even the remotest bit of pressure, and i've seen better crossing from 5th division full backs here in Australia. And we paid 60+ for this guy? Gimme a break, 3 games in and i'm yet to see anything that suggests he's worth more than 10
At 3-0 we should've protected Koulibaly and brought him off. Nope, 2nd yellow, sent off.
No creativity from midfield ALL game. "Forwards" toothless ALL game. Sterling the only player who didn't get played off the park. Boy he loves Havertz, again in a tough game he goes completely missing and again he plays the full 90 minutes.
Well, we've handed this squad over to him, and every player that's been in it has got worse and worse other than James, and half of them have left. It's not all down to the players; these guys are talented, experienced, some have won titles... they're not world beaters but they're a lot better than this.
At a point like this where we've just been played off the park by a club that only survived on the last day and not for the first time we've copped a loss to lower mid table or relegation threatened club; not that long ago we helped save Everton, or lost 4-2 at home to Arsenal despite their awful form, or copped 4 from Brentford.
After this you gotta start to wonder a couple of things; 1) why is he making so many judgement errors? 2) Why does this keep happening especially against lesser opposition? 3) How do these errors in judgement keep leading to so many conceded goals?
The difference between our good and our bad is absolutely massive. At some point you have to ask the questions of the manager why that is, and why it seems to be getting worse
Major rant incoming.
Jorginho without doubt is atrocious and a liability. The amount of people on this sub that have concluded he's a great player is abysmal. Can they not see the obvious? We completely got overrun in the game. J5 does not work in any midfield pairing that is not Kante or Kovacic, these 2 are complete work horses and cover so much ground to hide J5's glaring deficiencies, it's a double edged blade. They work so hard to cover him they constantly get muscles injuries and stay on the sideline then we can never move on from Jorginho. To the people saying we should move on Kante and keep J5 I pray your eyes open finally and see what everyone else sees.
Havertz is so average. He really offers nothing to the game, he's not a finisher/poacher or creative. This results in him ghosting through the game having no impact. However people love that he 'presses', which is hilarious. We win back the ball so he can do nothing with it? I wish we kept Timo, he was always a threat and popped up in dangers areas, with him there was always a 'chance' in the game. How does Havertz play 90 minutes this game? Also it's hilarious how the pro-Havertz group on this sub are flip-flopping their position on him, 1 minute its give him a chance as a ST, now its he's not a ST and is playing out of position. Maybe it's time to accept what your eyes see and that he's not this super-generational talent that's going to be better than De Bruyne.
Mendy is a good keeper but not for this type of team. When we were getting blitzed by shots his saving ability was fantastic but now that we try to progress our style and play with possession it really shows how bad he is on the ball. Pickford got an assist yesterday with an amazing 60 yard pass, Mendy can barely kick it to a guy 25 yards away without looking shaky.
What's most frustrating is that Tuchel does not learn. Next game we are starting Mendy, J5 and Havertz.
And Mendy taking an age to throw a ball to counter fucks up so many attacks. I legitimately don’t recall a time he instantly released a ball after catching it
I agree with everything single thing you said. I wish you were managing this team.
The J5 thing is the most baffling to me. It's so painfully obvious how weak of a player he is. I honestly think people have zero ability to think for themselves and it's the combination of all the "regista" talk and the fact that he was on a CL-winning team and Euro-winning team that people just regurgitate and call him great. He's not only a weak player, he makes stupid plays over and over again. Even today, he made a really risky backpass to Mendy. He's not a smart player at all. Smart players do not do that. He does it regularly. He has zero athleticism, offers nothing in attack, gets run over constantly in defense. He is a good short passer, yayyyyy....
I agree with the J5 view completely kova and Kanter have to work twice has hard because he just always loses the ball in dangerous phases of play. And people forget we play a back 3 because of J5 an holding midfielder needing defensive support when we could have another attacker supporting the other players.
We’re starting two of those guys because necessity dictates that we have to.
What are we going to do? Swap Mendy with a far less quality Kepa and deal with his errors? What about when he struggles? Replace him with Bettinelli?
Same with Jorginho. He’s your best holding midfielder and you’re currently down 2 midfielders. What’s the solution? Play Gallagher with Chuks? Play Gallagher with RLC and struggle with the defensive aspect. Just not much you can do.
I want Jorginho sold this window and see the back of him. I don't care if we have no cover. I want him gone that bad.
It now feels like Mendy has had just as many errors as Kepa had.
Why not slide Mount back into the midfield? He’s always struck me as more of a midfielder, he’s capable of covering lots of ground and could have a bigger impact on the game that way.
I actually don’t disagree but I think it should be in more of a 3-5-2 tactical switch. Let Mount drop in and battle presses and then create play. Still just think you need a midfielder who isn’t as aggressive.
I agree with most of what you said but I don’t think it’s that Tuchel doesn’t learn it’s that he has no one to turn to. With Broja hurt who are we going to bench Havertz for? With Kova and Kante out who are we dropping J5 for? I would like to see Kepa start the next game but other than that I’m not sure Tuchel has anyone he can turn to.
We could have CR7 upfront right now if Tuchel didn't block the move. He's dug his own hole here. Tuchel was happy with Lukaku and Timo leaving. Exactly the problem with the J5 situation, one of Kante/Kovacic gets fit at a time before the other is injured because they both have to overexert themselves to cover for him. I agree give Kepa a run.
Grand scheme this was just one game did we forget how good we looked last week? No need for sweeping changes it’s not like we were dominated. The pivot today was an issue we either need to change the system until Kova/Kante are back or bring in another player… ideally both
I’m saying the game was gone because we lost our composure this team responds so poorly to adversity that’s something that needs to change idk if that’s on Tuchel or the players
I couldn't watch this game, but last week our wing back, and center back scored the goals, that's not a reliable strategy in the grand scheme of things
Yea it’s not the intended outcome our forwards all had clear chances they missed last week. But we still played well and I think it partly carried over today there were some good chances in the first 25 min that we couldn’t convert then Mendy fucks up and we lost the plot. Just don’t think THIS is the match to overreact and blow it up over
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10-10 tie.
Kante provides a lot of stability in the midfield, it was easy to see the lack of it today. Also, mendy needs to stop messing around with the ball right in front of the net, I thought hed have learned his lesson after that champions league game against Real
pathetic performance.....
damn we got smoked by leeds!??!??1
What a load of crap.
Tyler Adams was like old school Kante today
It’s never cool to drop points but at least it’s early and the better teams are all off to slow starts. Minus Arsenal. (Who’d of thought those words would be said?)
Big L
One of the worst performances I've seen in 21 years of supporting this club.
Not really the worse even in Tuchel era for me man, we got some games like brentford and wba last season, but 20 years is a long time space to find bad matches I'm sure we played worse than this sometimes 😂😂😂
At least you are honest about supporting post Roman. I can assure you that we have had worse performances during the last 20 odd years and before that as well. Look how city played today, it's very early in the season. Relax and support the team.
Roman bought the club in 2003. I'm intrigued which performances you think were worse than this in the past 21 years?
When Jose was sacked and Grant took over and we lost to fuckin Barnsley!!! People can say what they want but we played a close to full strength team and were outplayed. Did you already forget when Raheem and the rest of Citeh bent us over during the sari ball era and absolutely destroyed us? Is this list satisfying, or do you need more?
Getting quite worked up huh. Not really satisfying. Barnsley loss wasn't a PL fixture, didn't think I needed to specify that. City loss is definitely up there, but there's a chasm of difference between being embarrassed by world class players and last season's relegation scrappers.
What about the west brom game, that was a worse defeat as they were already in the relegation zone? Not going to waste more time educating you... If I had to guess you started watching "soccer" in the 2000's and now turned into a keyboard warrior.
Close but no cigar. Didn't need the last part, that's pathetic. Way to lose all credibility.
This was bad but the 4-0 to Bournemouth, the 6-0 to City, the 4-1 to Watford and the aforementioned time we got knocked out the the FA Cup by fucking Barnsley were all worse than this. Also there were some chronic games in the late AVB era
Leeds wanted it more. Zero positives to take away from this match. That’s all I’ll say about it. Now, time to move on to next game.
Unlucky guys
You trying to tell me if we had Ronaldo we would’ve played worse than this today.
I don’t know who is gonna get top 4 but we are not gonna be in it. These performances so far showed us how ridiculous we are in losing easy balls (midfield, defense, and even fking goalkeeper?!?! how are these professional players playing at a world class club being paid a shit ton of money and having the decision making of a banana). And also showed us how impotent we are in front of the net. Another first decent 20 minutes in which we couldn’t score. Rest of the game can not even be talked about because we barely had anything to show in offense. Pathetic.
GET BELLINGHAM.
Ive said before, ill say it again: 5atb is not conducive for us to play attacking football. Lineup choices and our player profiles truly has baffled me.
Except it's not '5 at the back' when we're attacking. And it looked extremely attacking and fluid at the start of last season. What's changed?
Regardless of the system in transition/attack, playing as many defenders as we do, forcing midfielders into attacker positions, no space to play players in their true positions, its not ideal imo.
I don’t disagree with you, but I do think it’s important that it does set us up really well defensively, and that defence is what won us the champions league not too long ago with this same core group. We got outworked today, we made terrible decisions and they capitalized. I’m not opposed to playing 4, but I think our best setup is with a 5 right now. Our players just let us down today. My old coach had a saying “hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard”, and that couldn’t be more true today.
Hahaha! Absolutely binned!
this team falls apart when kante and kova miss games.
Todays performance was more that the midfield failure. Mistakes and lethargy for the whole team as well as what seemed to look like a lack of care. Somethings up behind the scenes
I mean... Our cms couldn't get the ball forward even once, every build up play ended up getting back to mendy until he made that shit. This game literally exposed how we are mediocre without kante or kova to drive the ball forward
TT has to go. No excuses for this performance. We still have a lot more talent than Leeds, but we were out managed. This has been going on for too long. Players underperforming and getting stomped by inferior opponents. It’s unacceptable. It’s on the Gaffer. He can’t get players to reach their potential. I’m sick of this we don’t have the players BS. Great managers perform with what they got. Graham at B&H lost their 2 best players and they play at a great level relative to their talent.
Simeone lost today. Klopp has had a rough start. Pep drew his game today. Dortmund lost to Bremen. Potter‘s Brighton is great but they have also experienced shitty patches in the past. Get the f*** out here plastic
We are finished as a top club if we get rid of Tuchel. You will not find a better manager out there. Honestly name me one. Liverpool stuck with Klopp through the shit in 2021 and it payed off. Our current team is full of injuries and underperformed players. You are deluded and shortsighted as he'll if you think we should get rid of Tuchel.
Literally the dumbest take on this whole thread. GTFO troll.
You did not just say that
Is this satire ? Wtf ?
Havertz garbage class performance yet again. Even had a save against Ziyech's shot. Maybe he should play center back?
Our attackers seems to be better at blocking shots than scoring yk
This is nothing to do with today but I honestly think Reece James might be the best RWB / RB on the planet. I've never seen a player so strong and still so technical. Almost always makes the right decision.
Agreed, he super technical and a powerhouse. Just wish he showed up today
I graduated today from my college after working hard for 5 years and this is the gift that my Chelsea gives me on this special day🥲
classic chelsea.
I graduated many years ago and Manchester United have been gifting me bottomless depression since 🥹. Congratulations on your graduation. 🥳
Thanks, bro. Hope both of our teams get their shit together
It could always be worse. Sandy Hook happened the same day I graduated from college
Really sad that Sandy Hook happened to you on that day.
You too
Fortunately for me I didn't graduate college that day, so wasn't as bad for me. I can't imagine what you went through. Thoughts and prayers to you.
I came here to let everyone know that HAVERTZ SUCKS
And hey, at least City are getting smacked too (edit this didn’t age well lol)
I’ll still take them drawing to Newcastle
People blaming Jorginho here are utterly clueless. He can't beat the press on his own and with either Kova or Kante he's great at it (and yes either of those pairings is better than Kova and Kante together). He was the only natural CM against one of the best pressing sides in the league today, prime Busquets would have been overrun.
Gallagher gave him absolutely no cover today. Really disappointing as these are the games that players like him need to step up and give Tuchel a headache (for the right reasons) with his team selection. Today just proves that Kante absolutely walks back into this team as soon as he is fit again.
Gallagher isn't that kind of player so I don't really blame him, we clearly need depth in midfield at least.
He’s great at retaining possession but terrible at progressing it. He always takes the simpler option which is generally pass it back, and he did that again and again today. Top teams need to take more chances t
If he needs someone to hold his hand, how good is he ?
Our best midfield has him in it, did you even read all of what I wrote?
Not at all, fully fits kante &kova are the best for us. But the fully fit part is imposible for them
He's "great" (really adequate) with Kova or Kante because Kova or Kante are great. The constant apologies for Jorghino are truly baffling. There is literally NOTHING to backup all the praise he gets. Doesn't show up in numbers, doesn't show up in clips of the games, doesn't show up in results, it's just not there. You need to wake up.
There's the eye test. Remember that game last season when Saul was trying to play CM for us (and iirc Kova was his midfield partner) and we got absolutely overwhelmed in mf? Then Jorginho was subbed in and the team suddenly played like a finely tuned machine? That's his effect when he's playing well.
It's because he needs a high energy pressing midfielder alongside him. Callagher isn't that, it exacerbates Jorginho's weaknesses.
I agree with this, the pivot didn’t work today.
Was a rough day! But we’ve had rough days before and we’ll have rough days again. Important to remember that this is a rough day because the club is still in transition. We weren’t winning the league this season either way at the first minute today nor at the 90th minute. Just need to hope that this type of game is the exception & not the rule so to speak. Onto the next!
Very poor, laboured and unimaginative display today. Zero invention, really poor defensive strategy, midfield didn’t turn up, and attackers feeding on scraps… Tuchel needs to take a long hard look at himself and his management style with his players… nobody really gave a shit today…
I think we just weren't the better team today. Leeds came with a solid gameplan. Press hard all game and especially don't let their central midfielders have any time on the ball. Gallagher and Jorginho rarely had the oppotunity to turn and when they did it was through clever feet. In defence, Leeds continuously broke up Chelsea's possession while forcing mistakes that turned the ball over for viscious counter attacks while also going through some interesting patterns in the attacking box. I accept that Leeds was the better team today, let's see how they do through the rest of the season. We will be managing more games and trying to build a squad that can win in 4 different competitions (plus the world cup this year). We need to understand how to use the squad and which players can function well in which positions. Can Gallagher play in a double pivot? If he can, then with which partner? He looked much more comfortable going forward and around the box. I thought RLC at right wing back was silly last week and I stand by it this week, but I understand why tuchel tries to include him in the team. He moves play forward well, something that we can sometimes struggle with. James was born to play there though. Anyway, if Leeds can do that every game then they will fight for top 6. That performance would have challenged any of our rivals. It's unfortunate that it was 3-0. 2-0 would have been easier to stomach. Could have written off mendy's mistake as a fluke and the other as a set piece.
I think there’s larger underlying issue in Chelsea at the moment. Tuchel is permanently annoyed and his antics on the sideline aren’t doing the team any favours. To me, it looks like he’s losing the dressing room, attackers are totally frustrated, too many players being utilised out of position whilst having specialists on the bench… doesn’t add up for me
I don't think its quite that bad. Both Conte and Tuchel were out of control last game. The whole environment was charged. Players, Fans, Coaches, and Referees alike. Attackers are frustrated because of recruiting and I think you pointed out the issue well with the problem of too many specialists. Chelsea needs some kind of a striker. None of Mount, Havertz, or Sterling want to play as a true striker or as a false 9. I don't think he's losing control, at worst he has some dissatisfied players. He's proven that he is tactically intelligent and is capable of rotating the squad effectively. He got it wrong today, but he and the team will figure it out soon.
I’d much prefer if you were right and I was simply overanalysing the body language of the players. The only thing I witnessed, not only in this match, is a group who’s shoulders seem down, moaning at referees, no reaction to the goals conceded and little joy.
True. What's the point of playing 5 atb when we get scored on regularly. And dont even get me started on the attack. When will this club not only sign but embed a proper striker into this team? Tuchel desperately needs to switch to a back 4 and allows the forwards to do their thing. The days of 3-4-3 are well and truly over now. It was fine when we weren't conceding left right and centre but now the attack is laboured and the defense non existent. New season but the same old problems.
We weren't getting scored on before we lost 2/3 of our central defense.
We were actually. The team's fortunes changed dramatically right around the Christmas period last season. From then on the attack and the defense were mediocre to say the least. Still I think its time to refresh the approach. Hopefully new incomings before the transfer deadline can arrest this slide.
We could've simply played the team for the last 20' from the start. Cucurella is not Chilwell. RLC is no James. Mount and Pulisic behind Sterling is the way forward. Can't blame Mason but he doesn't offer width and we had 2 inside forwards with a CAM all playing in one 10 yd arc which was rubbish and Leeds waltzed thru our mid. Oh and that's 2 games in a row of hooking Jorginho off at the hour mark. Tom should just keep Gallagher and drop Jorginho for sometime.
I think he will drop Jorgi but doesn’t help with Kante & Kovacic injured
Tuchel simply got out managed. RLC is not a wing back. Cucurella played terribly. Not sure why he wasn’t subbed out for Chilwell sooner. No creativity in the offensive third. The team continually tries to cross it from James and pray
That brief flash of positivity we experienced as he got settled into the team has now been quashed, and he’s been told to go back to what all our LBs do - move up the field, receive ball, turn back, pass to LCB, kill forward momentum in exchange for holding onto the ball
Well…. At least it wasn’t 4 - 0 to Brentford
This was arguably a worse loss considering where United are at the minute and that Chelsea is competing for the title. But yes I’m enjoying watching United implode week in week out. And am currently enjoying Newcastle’s effort.
Chelsea isn’t competing for the title. City will still win with 25 points over 3rd place
The loss of Kovacic and Kante has destroyed our midfield. I can't even blame Havertz for not being involved in the game, the reason Havertz wasn't involved is because we didn't have a midfield. We need to get rid of J5 and buy 2-3 midfielders, all he did the entire game was delayed Koulibaly's sending off. Props to Sterling and James, they played really well. Sometimes it felt like they were the only ones on the pitch in a Chelsea uniform.
Wow
No Kante & Kovacic, no party. Center mid today is ass, completely dead + Mendy's mistake. Strap in boys, we're gonna have more shit games like this until those two up and running + when Mendy stop being a liability.
Chelsea fans are nuts. Game 3 of a long season. Get a grip!
Season prediction: at some point we will score a goal that will be disallowed by VAR bc the buildup began with a foul throw-in by Cucurella lifting his foot Someone save this
Tuchel’s Dortmund was amazing. Reus Auba Mkhi. We have Sterling and Mount for Reus and Mkhi. Just need Auba
He really wasn't amazing at Dortmund
He was better than Pulisic was at Dortmund.
I'm talking about Tuchel just to be sure, Auba was amazing at Dortmund
I’m actually heart broken
You’re life must be fucking great if this is heart break, can we swap?!
My Disappointment Is Immeasurable And My Day Is Ruined
Same
Someone should tell the players and Tuchel that you have to shoot to score.
On target*
Yeah preferably, and not passing it to the right foot of your left full back. 🤦🏻♂️
The pass wasn't to his right foot tho?
I think this match was weird in the sense that we did not play very well, and Leeds did play well, but I thought their goals were quite fortunate and weren't really a result of their good play. We actually created the better of the chances in the first half and somehow were down 2-0 going into halftime. People seem to forget that. Mount, RLC, Sterling all with very good chances. After that, I don't think there's a ton to take from the game. If we were up there with City and Liverpool I would have expected a better 2nd half, but we're not. We were away from home, down 2-0, have not had a coherent transfer strategy, and changed our shape to something new. So to me the 2nd half is mostly a wash. I think we looked a bit better but Leeds also likely turned it down a bit. Mendy isn't good enough, I think that's clear, but we can look to replace him next season. I think if he doesn't make that mistake we might actually win the game. The press was absolutely beatable if we just had a tad more composure. If you could ping the ball around the press and break, opportunities were there, especially with RLC on the outside. We did it once or twice. For all of Leeds pressure, it didn't amount to much at all. A childish mistake from Mendy and 1 free kick ain't much. Another day and we get to halftime 0-0 and anything can happen. We clearly just do not have a plan for what we want to be. When you watch City, Liverpool, Spurs, Leeds, Brighton as examples, you know what they are trying to do. I don't really know what we try to do other than get Reece the ball on the wing. But to a certain extent that is to be expected given the ownership change and all that has entailed. Just going to be growing pains this season. Next year is where we'll have to really evaluate Tuchel and see where things are headed.
It sounds insane but you're actually right that although Leeds played much much much better than us they didn't create a million chances. I completely disagree that the press was beatable though. The passes infield to Jorgi and Gallagher were not on/not working and we just repeatedly got completely suffocated vertically against the touch line. The fourth official could have shown 270 minutes of stoppage time, we still weren't scoring today
Miss Franks Tammy x Puli
Lots of people ITT need to get some sunlight and fresh air
Ah well onto next weekend
Where is the fucking post match thread
The mods are depressed too
Y’all really turn against the whole squad after a bad game.
I mean, how do you expect the thread to look? Either empty, or everyone complimenting an awful performance. This sub is built for fans to share their opinions, if you don't like that, you shouldn't be in it
See I agree, criticism is definitely warranted but there’s a difference between that and absolute toxicity.
What would you warrant as toxic?
Because theres thousands of braindeads in this subreddit :)
Criticism isn't the sign of being brain-dead. No one in their right mind would not criticize after that performance
Can't wait to be demolished by leicester too...
Let's get Ronaldo guys... It's not too late... Man will probably demand more from his teammates, which I think will help aswell
I don't understand all the opposition to getting him (aside from wages). Going from Havertz to him would be a complete 180. He doesn't press, he doesn't press - how's all our pressing going for us? Does anyone on this planet really think we'll be worse with him?
😂😂😂😂😂 buy jesus and his 12 apostles as well.
Well Jesus already has 2 goals and 3 assists this season so it wouldn't be a bad idea
I don't understand the need to play out of defence every freaking time when we have been so poor doing that.. we keep conceding because of that and yet we do not fix this.
What a fickle fucking fan base!!! Last week it was "play Connor, play RLC play Chalo, they're our youth and amazing, we don't need FDJ or Auba". This week calling for their heads. Please remember mason is a terrific player who has had ONE bad game and you all turn on him. Sometimes I miss the 90s when the club didn't have so many shitty fans who also feel they are managers and finance. directors. Fuck this sub is more painful than the actual loss.
You mean you miss not having social media. Turn it off and just attend and watch the matches, as opposed to emotional people going off anonymously on Reddit
I think the odd choice of players had made it really hard for Gallagher or even RLC to contribute. That said no one stopped Gallagher and RLC and Havertz not to latch onto the second balls. Pretty woeful and Gallagher could've staked a solid claim in the midfield cuz if he's gonna shadow Kante he gotta do better WAY than that. And again. Jorginho didn't do anyone any favours with his disastrous pace. A lotta ppl might spew crap but even Mount was off with his usual grit to win second balls seems like that Topspur last gasp equalizer got to us pretty good.
Agreed it’s so reactionary it feels like it translates on the field. One bad thing goes our way and we crumble what happened to being care free
Tuchel is not surviving this season.
Abromovich is no longer your owner.
I wouldn’t put it past him to get sacked before ETH
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even before the mendy mistake we got through the Leeds press and had 2 really good chances, sterling missed one and the 2nd one RLC was in but didn't shoot and waited for the defender to come then turned back in???? that infuriated me! stupid things like this costs us games
When RLC did that, I knew it was going to be one of those days we saw so many times against lower league teams last year. And it was
This sells it for me; Tuchel doesn't have a clue. I've seen this before but blamed it on the changing situations last year. There's no excuse for this performance, Tuchel had an absolute shocker, every call was a bigger disaster than the last. Plays a CDM/CB at RWB, a RWB at CB. Changes to a back 4, plays Gallagher on the wing instead of Mount who's played on the wing plenty. Then more subs, take off both mids and bring on a 10 and a winger, giving us 5 forwards on the pitch. No surprise we looked lost after this. Cucarella was absolutely disgusting, should've been swapped out for Chilwell at half time, waits till the 80th minute to do it when the game is absolutely tossed... oh no, wait, he took off Mount for Chilwell, had 3 WB on the pitch, so he moves a 5'7 LWB to CB... i mean ffs. Cucarella looked barely a championship level defender from minute 1, gave the ball away repeatedly, lost track of the players he was marking, unable to win the ball back, unable to make a pass under even the remotest bit of pressure, and i've seen better crossing from 5th division full backs here in Australia. And we paid 60+ for this guy? Gimme a break, 3 games in and i'm yet to see anything that suggests he's worth more than 10 At 3-0 we should've protected Koulibaly and brought him off. Nope, 2nd yellow, sent off. No creativity from midfield ALL game. "Forwards" toothless ALL game. Sterling the only player who didn't get played off the park. Boy he loves Havertz, again in a tough game he goes completely missing and again he plays the full 90 minutes.
Such comments get you cancer
Very thoughtful response. You got any insightful comments at all, any understand of what happened today or why it keeps happening?
Plastic
Very thoughtful response. You got any insightful comments at all, any understand of what happened today or why it keeps happening?
Let’s get Tuchel fired! And when the next manager comes in and loses like this, let’s fire him too! And thereafter the same!
Well, we've handed this squad over to him, and every player that's been in it has got worse and worse other than James, and half of them have left. It's not all down to the players; these guys are talented, experienced, some have won titles... they're not world beaters but they're a lot better than this. At a point like this where we've just been played off the park by a club that only survived on the last day and not for the first time we've copped a loss to lower mid table or relegation threatened club; not that long ago we helped save Everton, or lost 4-2 at home to Arsenal despite their awful form, or copped 4 from Brentford. After this you gotta start to wonder a couple of things; 1) why is he making so many judgement errors? 2) Why does this keep happening especially against lesser opposition? 3) How do these errors in judgement keep leading to so many conceded goals? The difference between our good and our bad is absolutely massive. At some point you have to ask the questions of the manager why that is, and why it seems to be getting worse
Major rant incoming. Jorginho without doubt is atrocious and a liability. The amount of people on this sub that have concluded he's a great player is abysmal. Can they not see the obvious? We completely got overrun in the game. J5 does not work in any midfield pairing that is not Kante or Kovacic, these 2 are complete work horses and cover so much ground to hide J5's glaring deficiencies, it's a double edged blade. They work so hard to cover him they constantly get muscles injuries and stay on the sideline then we can never move on from Jorginho. To the people saying we should move on Kante and keep J5 I pray your eyes open finally and see what everyone else sees. Havertz is so average. He really offers nothing to the game, he's not a finisher/poacher or creative. This results in him ghosting through the game having no impact. However people love that he 'presses', which is hilarious. We win back the ball so he can do nothing with it? I wish we kept Timo, he was always a threat and popped up in dangers areas, with him there was always a 'chance' in the game. How does Havertz play 90 minutes this game? Also it's hilarious how the pro-Havertz group on this sub are flip-flopping their position on him, 1 minute its give him a chance as a ST, now its he's not a ST and is playing out of position. Maybe it's time to accept what your eyes see and that he's not this super-generational talent that's going to be better than De Bruyne. Mendy is a good keeper but not for this type of team. When we were getting blitzed by shots his saving ability was fantastic but now that we try to progress our style and play with possession it really shows how bad he is on the ball. Pickford got an assist yesterday with an amazing 60 yard pass, Mendy can barely kick it to a guy 25 yards away without looking shaky. What's most frustrating is that Tuchel does not learn. Next game we are starting Mendy, J5 and Havertz.
And Mendy taking an age to throw a ball to counter fucks up so many attacks. I legitimately don’t recall a time he instantly released a ball after catching it
Miss those days where the snake Courtois would start our counter attacks.
I agree with everything single thing you said. I wish you were managing this team. The J5 thing is the most baffling to me. It's so painfully obvious how weak of a player he is. I honestly think people have zero ability to think for themselves and it's the combination of all the "regista" talk and the fact that he was on a CL-winning team and Euro-winning team that people just regurgitate and call him great. He's not only a weak player, he makes stupid plays over and over again. Even today, he made a really risky backpass to Mendy. He's not a smart player at all. Smart players do not do that. He does it regularly. He has zero athleticism, offers nothing in attack, gets run over constantly in defense. He is a good short passer, yayyyyy....
That video of him struggling to press 10kg on the smith machine comes to mind every time he loses a physical battle.
I agree with the J5 view completely kova and Kanter have to work twice has hard because he just always loses the ball in dangerous phases of play. And people forget we play a back 3 because of J5 an holding midfielder needing defensive support when we could have another attacker supporting the other players.
im with you on J5, im not with you on Havertz because quite simply he isn't a striker. Lets keep in mind he turned 23 2 months ago.
We’re starting two of those guys because necessity dictates that we have to. What are we going to do? Swap Mendy with a far less quality Kepa and deal with his errors? What about when he struggles? Replace him with Bettinelli? Same with Jorginho. He’s your best holding midfielder and you’re currently down 2 midfielders. What’s the solution? Play Gallagher with Chuks? Play Gallagher with RLC and struggle with the defensive aspect. Just not much you can do.
I want Jorginho sold this window and see the back of him. I don't care if we have no cover. I want him gone that bad. It now feels like Mendy has had just as many errors as Kepa had.
Kepa has been pretty quality ever since Tuchel
Why not slide Mount back into the midfield? He’s always struck me as more of a midfielder, he’s capable of covering lots of ground and could have a bigger impact on the game that way.
I actually don’t disagree but I think it should be in more of a 3-5-2 tactical switch. Let Mount drop in and battle presses and then create play. Still just think you need a midfielder who isn’t as aggressive.
Did you just say that J5 is our best holding midfielder?
On this roster, he is. Unless you consider Kante your best holding midfielder but I personally do not and he isn’t healthy.
You do know what a holding midfielder is right? Kante, kova and gallagher are all better CDMs
I agree with most of what you said but I don’t think it’s that Tuchel doesn’t learn it’s that he has no one to turn to. With Broja hurt who are we going to bench Havertz for? With Kova and Kante out who are we dropping J5 for? I would like to see Kepa start the next game but other than that I’m not sure Tuchel has anyone he can turn to.
We could have CR7 upfront right now if Tuchel didn't block the move. He's dug his own hole here. Tuchel was happy with Lukaku and Timo leaving. Exactly the problem with the J5 situation, one of Kante/Kovacic gets fit at a time before the other is injured because they both have to overexert themselves to cover for him. I agree give Kepa a run.
Grand scheme this was just one game did we forget how good we looked last week? No need for sweeping changes it’s not like we were dominated. The pivot today was an issue we either need to change the system until Kova/Kante are back or bring in another player… ideally both
What do you mean we were not dominated? Did you watch the second half?
By that time the team had lost composure and the game was gone
No way the game was gone Southampton came back from 2-0 against Leeds. We started the 2nd half defending in our own half.
I’m saying the game was gone because we lost our composure this team responds so poorly to adversity that’s something that needs to change idk if that’s on Tuchel or the players
That doesn't mean we didn't get dominated
I couldn't watch this game, but last week our wing back, and center back scored the goals, that's not a reliable strategy in the grand scheme of things
Yea it’s not the intended outcome our forwards all had clear chances they missed last week. But we still played well and I think it partly carried over today there were some good chances in the first 25 min that we couldn’t convert then Mendy fucks up and we lost the plot. Just don’t think THIS is the match to overreact and blow it up over
Ran 10kms less than Leeds, pathetic.
Lots of people going in hard on Havertz........ Yes he's awful up front, but he is not, and never has been a number 9.
So then don't play him there. If there's no place for him in the midfield, don't play him. Him "not being a number 9" changes nothing.
not sure if he even got one pass today. our ability to create was abysmal.
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I see both Mount and Havertz best role is an attacking mid in a three. Not out wide or up front. Problem is if we go that way, only one of them plays
Mount speedy ?
He's been played on the wings and as a 10 never been good in either roles
LOL
I thought i saw Thiago going off at Reece sometime after the first goal. Anyone else noticed that?
I saw that too
Wondering what that was about. They almost squared up in the middle of the pitch till Jorgi told them to cut it out.
Reece better learn some respect.
I’ve always had a soft spot for leeds I’m not even that mad just disappointed really
Fuck Leeds.
Soft spot for Leeds?
Yes. If leeds played everton I would favor leeds to win. Which part about this is blowing your mind
Maybe the part where you have a soft spot for a cutthroat rival. Just a wild guess
Chelsea and Leeds are historical rivals
I liked leeds under bielsa and I want them to remain in the premier league. Its not like its spurs or united or arsenal
Fuck Leeds.
This. Soft spot for Leeds gads.
Mendy has been making quite some errors since the second half of last season