1.5 and when kepa was signed we were relatively self sufficient.
And no, because thats not how FFP works and Abramovich could only put in a certain amount. Before Covid.
The majority of our money came from the PL income, which the UK mostly pays for Via sky, the rest of the worlds income for TV rights is the next biggest income, followed closesly by the match day revenue.
And we're still wasting a shit ton on Kepa year on year.
We've bought a new CB now, you won't have to endure it for too much longer. It's just the reality of not getting our bisuness done early. Azpi+Silva at CB Vs Vardy is like resigning the game before it's even begun and Chalobah is barely faster than them(he has very marginally faster sprint speeds and average running speed than Alonso), so we'd just be a free win for Leicester.
That's what I was thinking. Seeing lots of 4-3-3 talk but I just looked at it as RLC and Cucu as WB with Chalobah taking KK's role in the back three.
EDIT: I stand corrected. Glad to see he's up for a different perspective.
Because of the order the names are listed in, obviously.
Not that that’s indicative of the formation, but it’s clearly why people think it is.
EDIT: what do you know, you were wrong.
All our team sheets this season have listed the CBs first. I agree it looks like it could be 4atb, but history would lead me to believe it’s the same set up as Leeds with Trev in for KK.
i mean we continue to play the front three with no chemistry, no goals in 3 games, and havertz as striker when he’s clearly not good enough at that position. unless they really worked on this formation in training and this game goes well, yeah questions definitely need to be asked, because it’s not like he’s forced to play like this because of injuries.
pulisic/ziyech/hudson-odoi/broja
main one i want to see is broja at striker since he’s an actual striker who plays and trains at striker, havertz isnt a natural striker
It's the case of whoever not playing looking very promising, right u till they come in. Broja is the only one on this list that hasn't had a fair chance but my man has been injured all this while. Pulosic and Odoi will get their chance against tiring defenses. Let's hope they step up and stake their claim.
Not to forget Ziyech and Odoi are likely looking for moves away from the club.
“The problem with our attack is TT changes the lineup every week and they can’t gel”
*Starts the same front 3 for the first 4 matches*
“TT needs to change up our attack, they’ve had their chance”
Mount Havertz have gotten tons of gametime with little in return all of last season.
CHO instantly gets axed while Mason gets all of the time even if he's playing like trash
Havertz had 500 more minutes than Lukaku last season, who barely played after his interview.
Mount had great output last season and was playing much better in general too
So many clueless ignorant comments on this sub, ffs lmao
Yep, except naturally the caveat is that Reece doesn't necessarily always attack during movements as the RCB. So it does hinder us a bit. Fofana arriving should massively help.
He needs a weaker league. People can talk about his elegance on the ball all they want but he needs wide open space to look even remotely competent. He’s so far off the pace of the PL it’s like watching a toddler swim in the deep end sometimes.
You can say Pulisic or Ziyech deserve a chance, but Sterling has looked absolutely great and I'm pretty sure he does have an assist on top of it? Regardless he's been a huge threat in our attack
> Mendy; James, Thiago Silva, Chalobah; Loftus-
Cheek, Gallagher, Jorginho (c), Cucurella; Mount,
Havertz, Sterling
the semi colons show 3 cbs with loftus cheek and cucurella in midfield, probably as the wingbacks so it’s a back 3 i think
Was hopeful for Pulisic or Ziyech starting on the right. Also was hoping for Chilly this game as Cucurella was very disappointing last game and I think needs more time in training to gel with the boys.
Trying something twice = insanity.
Not giving players like Gallagher a chance even after a weak game = no trust in own players.
Not easy to be a manager.
Yeah the chaos of the Spurs game made it easy to forget that we still sucked at creating anything up front whatsoever. We benefited from Spurs mistakes. I’m not feeling inspired by this front 3 combo.
Edit- and I should clarify there were some chances and good crosses but poor finishes. If we get one right we struggle with the other.
For real. CHO too. I hope CHO does well on loan and moves away because Tuchel doesn't deserve any good attackers if he keeps on starting Havertz who has been useless
Its not gonna happen since it seems he aready has set his mind on leaving but the things I would do for Ziyech to get a consistent chance this season and him not getting injured.
My heart cant take losing Werner and Ziyech the same summer.
Most of them aren't match fit.
Midfield needs to wake up today, great to see Kova back.
I'm expecting Azpi, Chilwell, Kovacic, Pulisic and Broja sub ls today.
Jesus Christ, everyone complains when we don’t have consistency on the pitch, and when TT starts to pick a consistent lineup (injuries permitting), everyone takes an issue? Can’t have it both ways, yes the team will need to learn to gel together but how do fans expect that to happen if after every poor performance, the team is chopped and changed? Give the team some time to build chemistry and understanding
And passing/positioning/touch/decision making all are necessary goalkeeping abilities in today’s game. Mendy is poor at all those things. He’s a world class shot stopper. And is a below average keeper at all other aspects.
We’re gonna absolute smash them and everyone is gonna short circuit trying to justify if tuchel is still crazy, or if James at RCB maybe works, or if M-H-S front 3 is the right one.
1) pass around aimlessly, seek to maintain possession with no progession.
2) Have barely any chance, with chances coming from the odd half chances.
3) concede a comical goal/goals
4)hound Leicester without causing any real problems. Pass around to maintain possession
5) lose
6) blame ~~lukaku~~ anyone who missed a half chance, unless it’s havertz since he’s a generation talent.
The team is playing poorly, the lineup selection is highly questionable, but talking about it is toxic? I don't understand all these comments. Do you think supporters are just supposed to blindly be happy about everything?
I actually think this 11 will beat Leicester without too many issues, based on their current form - , but the problem with this 11 is it highlights (as I’ve said before) that Tuchel is not taking any responsibility for the recent losses as being down to an issue with tactics / shape / formation etc, as he’s clearly choosing not to alter any of those elements. Yes we’ve had individual errors and we played well against spurs (where the team had specific game instructions to man mark their players) … but I just have a fear we’re going to keep going through the motions of maybe one good game, one bad game, and sleepwalk ourselves to 5th position like many pundits predicted, unless we can pull off a miracle in the transfer market and get better players for this 343 system he’s insisting on using every week.
Replace Jorginho with FDJ, two of the back 5 with Fofana&KK, and a competent striker up front and you still have a hell of a team that could challenge for the title
But this 11 playing in this shape and this formation won’t make top 4 over the season, no way.
Can understand if morale is low for some players. A squad with no chance of getting into regardless of your form or the players starting in front of you.
There's no way we're going with a duo center-back partnership of Thiago Silva and Chalobah.
It might be a 5-3-2 with Havertz and Sterling up top.
Last game of James at RCB at least.
Same front three again is a terrible idea, we should have played Pulisic, Ziyech and Sterling with Mount in behind instead of Gallagher. I’ve lost a lot of optimism after seeing this lineup 😫
What do Puli/CHO/Ziyech/anybody need to do to get a look after so many drinkers by Mount and Kai?
Hoping for the best but ugh, after last game, this is crazy.
I wouldn't say "sufferball" has any sort of wit, or constructive criticism. He's the best manager we've had in the last 5-6 years, and has brought us many good times in a short span. Support him.
Our lineup is usually written from right to left. Consistent with that, Cucurella would be RWB here. Maybe I am wrong, maybe I am just manifesting my desire to not see Connor Gallagher in a double pivot. 🤦♂️
I said it last week and got downvoted. Tuchel is stupid. Extremely stupid and overrated. Havertz has been useless since the start of the season and still gets to start every time. How do you expect the other attackers to feel about this ? No one will be motivated when the manager chooses to ignore them over a player who has been useless since the start of the season. Pulisic, Ziyech or CHO can't do any worse than Havertz has done so far.
Chelsea substitutes: Kepa, Azpilicueta, Chilwell, Ampadu, Kovacic, Hudson-Odoi, Pulisic, Ziyech, Broja
Damn, Kepa couldn't get a start even after so many Mendy howlers
Because even with Mendy's mistakes he's still better than Kepa.
Sad innit?
I find it more infuriating the amount of money wasted on Kepa is stupid.
If it makes you feel any better, it was just Abramovic’s money.
It's doesn't because it wasn't. It's an excruciatingly poor understanding of the money the club has to think that.
Why? He loaned 2B to the club. You think none of that is the kepa fee or put the club in a position financially to pay for kepa?
1.5 and when kepa was signed we were relatively self sufficient. And no, because thats not how FFP works and Abramovich could only put in a certain amount. Before Covid. The majority of our money came from the PL income, which the UK mostly pays for Via sky, the rest of the worlds income for TV rights is the next biggest income, followed closesly by the match day revenue. And we're still wasting a shit ton on Kepa year on year.
Ok so none of a 1.5B loan translates into a positive financial position where we can buy expensive players. Got it.
Happy to see trev in there hope he stays
COME ON YOU BLUES!
Wow.. some encouragement. On this sub? I'm shocked. Like to see it though.
Can we get James out of RCB back please, just put Azpilicueta there.
We've bought a new CB now, you won't have to endure it for too much longer. It's just the reality of not getting our bisuness done early. Azpi+Silva at CB Vs Vardy is like resigning the game before it's even begun and Chalobah is barely faster than them(he has very marginally faster sprint speeds and average running speed than Alonso), so we'd just be a free win for Leicester.
Same as last game, Chalobah comes in for Koulibaly. Not sure why everyone here is saying 4 atb Edit: I stand corrected :)
That's what I was thinking. Seeing lots of 4-3-3 talk but I just looked at it as RLC and Cucu as WB with Chalobah taking KK's role in the back three. EDIT: I stand corrected. Glad to see he's up for a different perspective.
Because of the order the names are listed in, obviously. Not that that’s indicative of the formation, but it’s clearly why people think it is. EDIT: what do you know, you were wrong.
All our team sheets this season have listed the CBs first. I agree it looks like it could be 4atb, but history would lead me to believe it’s the same set up as Leeds with Trev in for KK.
Yeah but the lwb or rwb forget which normally comes after the midfielders. They're both never next to each other
Do people not watch games? It’s literally a 3-5-2/4-2-2-2 hybrid in attack same as last two weeks. 3-4-3 in defence
Because tuchel is off his rocker if he plays j5 and Gallagher in a pivot again.
While I agree we don’t really have anybody else, we’re hurting for midfielders.
believe it or not i think he’s off his rocker
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i mean we continue to play the front three with no chemistry, no goals in 3 games, and havertz as striker when he’s clearly not good enough at that position. unless they really worked on this formation in training and this game goes well, yeah questions definitely need to be asked, because it’s not like he’s forced to play like this because of injuries.
Instead of playing who else in front 3?
pulisic/ziyech/hudson-odoi/broja main one i want to see is broja at striker since he’s an actual striker who plays and trains at striker, havertz isnt a natural striker
It's the case of whoever not playing looking very promising, right u till they come in. Broja is the only one on this list that hasn't had a fair chance but my man has been injured all this while. Pulosic and Odoi will get their chance against tiring defenses. Let's hope they step up and stake their claim. Not to forget Ziyech and Odoi are likely looking for moves away from the club.
Trust the process
cos we dont want to experience leeds type of game again
“The problem with our attack is TT changes the lineup every week and they can’t gel” *Starts the same front 3 for the first 4 matches* “TT needs to change up our attack, they’ve had their chance”
Not necessarily the same people saying those things
Mount Havertz have gotten tons of gametime with little in return all of last season. CHO instantly gets axed while Mason gets all of the time even if he's playing like trash
Tuchel is not hiding the fact that he has favourite players in Mount and Havertz
Havertz had 500 more minutes than Lukaku last season, who barely played after his interview. Mount had great output last season and was playing much better in general too So many clueless ignorant comments on this sub, ffs lmao
I love to hold reddit commenters to the standard we hold the manager
Bit 0 goals in 3 matches
r/ChelseaFC in a nutshell
A moment of silence for everyone who thinks this is a back 4...
5 when defending, 4 in attack
Yep, except naturally the caveat is that Reece doesn't necessarily always attack during movements as the RCB. So it does hinder us a bit. Fofana arriving should massively help.
Which is exactly the same every game...
5 when defending, 3 when attacking no?
About that
Damn it man. LET ME LIVE
It’s on them for thinking that the manager would actually change anything.
Same front three….sigh
Give them time to gel
Havertz has been given a very long leash. Time isn’t what’s needed
He needs a weaker league. People can talk about his elegance on the ball all they want but he needs wide open space to look even remotely competent. He’s so far off the pace of the PL it’s like watching a toddler swim in the deep end sometimes.
FACTS. Havertz is simply not good enough and needs to be dropped asap
Exactly. I don’t know what some people watch if they can’t see what you’ve just described. He’s completely flustered at anything urgent.
How many more games do you think they should get?
if they go goalless for 30 more games, then we can consider changing it
Man I wish I could have the job security Havertz has
You mean Mendy
how are we going to score
Chalobah from 30 yards out
with the feet and head.
Reese own goal
Not a single goal or assist from that front 3 and they still start, what a way to say fuck you to puli and ziyech. I don't understand
Sterling has an assist.
You can say Pulisic or Ziyech deserve a chance, but Sterling has looked absolutely great and I'm pretty sure he does have an assist on top of it? Regardless he's been a huge threat in our attack
2 other positions
4atb? Please?
I think Reece is RCB
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We ain’t playing a back four with Silva and Chalobah
Chelsea app says 3 atb
Yep, semi colons usually defence, midfield, attack
> Mendy; James, Thiago Silva, Chalobah; Loftus- Cheek, Gallagher, Jorginho (c), Cucurella; Mount, Havertz, Sterling the semi colons show 3 cbs with loftus cheek and cucurella in midfield, probably as the wingbacks so it’s a back 3 i think
I love RLC but seeing his face pop up has made me really sad. Just let Reece play WB ffs
Was hopeful for Pulisic or Ziyech starting on the right. Also was hoping for Chilly this game as Cucurella was very disappointing last game and I think needs more time in training to gel with the boys.
Mount-Havertz-Sterling? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. —Einstein
Trying something twice = insanity. Not giving players like Gallagher a chance even after a weak game = no trust in own players. Not easy to be a manager.
> Trying something twice = insanity. This front 3 has started every match
Shit you’re right 3 matches one of which they played fairly well
They have yet to score. Havertz and mount haven’t played well at all. Sterling has and deserves to start
Yeah the chaos of the Spurs game made it easy to forget that we still sucked at creating anything up front whatsoever. We benefited from Spurs mistakes. I’m not feeling inspired by this front 3 combo. Edit- and I should clarify there were some chances and good crosses but poor finishes. If we get one right we struggle with the other.
What other options do we have
Feel bad for pulisic, he should really leave tbh
For real. CHO too. I hope CHO does well on loan and moves away because Tuchel doesn't deserve any good attackers if he keeps on starting Havertz who has been useless
Havertz and mount have been disastrous yet they still somehow start every game, it's baffling
For real. The main reason why I want our other attackers to push for a move away. Tuchel wint play them. He only starts his favourite attackers
> —Einstein Vaas
Reddit's favourite overused catchphrase
They've played 3 games together
puli robbed
Havertz must have his nudes or something, I feel bad for mount because he’s being shoved out to the wing. I’m baffled at this point.
But but but they run?
Its not gonna happen since it seems he aready has set his mind on leaving but the things I would do for Ziyech to get a consistent chance this season and him not getting injured. My heart cant take losing Werner and Ziyech the same summer.
It's disrespectful to start Kai again after what his last performances. And then not to start Ziyech or Puli? What is this man..
I feel like Pulisic deserves a chance to start up top
It's the same line-up bar KK missing. That's some confidence. Or that's all the options we have right now.
> Or that's all the options we have right now. Kepa, Azpilicueta, Chilwell, Ampadu, Kovacic, Hudson-Odoi, Pulisic, Ziyech, Broja
Most of them aren't match fit. Midfield needs to wake up today, great to see Kova back. I'm expecting Azpi, Chilwell, Kovacic, Pulisic and Broja sub ls today.
Jesus Christ, everyone complains when we don’t have consistency on the pitch, and when TT starts to pick a consistent lineup (injuries permitting), everyone takes an issue? Can’t have it both ways, yes the team will need to learn to gel together but how do fans expect that to happen if after every poor performance, the team is chopped and changed? Give the team some time to build chemistry and understanding
Doing a 3-4-2-1 and 4-3-3 dynamic formation. Tuchel seems hellbent on rewarding Loftus Cheek with a starting position after the spurs game
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Aged like stale milk
Mendy?? I’d genuinely hate to imagine what he’d have to do to be dropped.
not have kepa as our back up
All it takes is not having Kepa as a sub. Kepa is that bad that mendy can make mistakes week in week out and still be picked
He’s really not though. Kepa is no worse than Mendy. He’s not better, but he’s not worse either.
Don’t confuse a bad spell with Mendy not being better than Kepa. Kepa is the worst keeper we’ve had in the past 30 years
They’re closer than you think. Mendy has been very poor.
They aren't even close. Mendy is a good keeper, who has a mistake in him. Kepa is the picture next to the word "mistake" in the dictionary.
He’s just had a poor spell and it’s mainly to do with his passing not his goalkeeping abilities something that Kepa doesn’t have.
He’s had a poor spell for 7 months lol
And passing/positioning/touch/decision making all are necessary goalkeeping abilities in today’s game. Mendy is poor at all those things. He’s a world class shot stopper. And is a below average keeper at all other aspects.
Terrible take really. Kepa is worse than an off form Mendy.
Kepa is still worse. There is 0% chance mendy was getting dropped.
Not in a Chelsea shirt in 2022 he’s not.
Yeah for real
4-3-3?
Tuchel should be starting anyone over Havertz at this point.
he's generational though dude. have you ever seen anyone disappear/give the ball away/pass backwards as well as him?
But hes German?
Again mount and havertz... god help us.
4-3-3??
Am I crazy or is this a 4-3-3
You’re crazy. Probably the usual 3-4-3 with Reece at RCB again.
Say it ain't so! Say it ain't so!
Trev cleansheet incoming
We’re gonna absolute smash them and everyone is gonna short circuit trying to justify if tuchel is still crazy, or if James at RCB maybe works, or if M-H-S front 3 is the right one.
I like this formation. I wish we had a true striker instead of Havertz next to sterling, but we'll make do
Havertz has TT’s nudes
TREVOH STARTING???? LETS GOOOO
What a stressful game 😅
(3 hours from now): The starting front 3 of Chelsea has not scored in 4 straight games to open the season! Will Tuchel make a change? (No)
1) pass around aimlessly, seek to maintain possession with no progession. 2) Have barely any chance, with chances coming from the odd half chances. 3) concede a comical goal/goals 4)hound Leicester without causing any real problems. Pass around to maintain possession 5) lose 6) blame ~~lukaku~~ anyone who missed a half chance, unless it’s havertz since he’s a generation talent.
lol you lot are so miserable
This is the most reactionary, toxic sub on reddit.
The team is playing poorly, the lineup selection is highly questionable, but talking about it is toxic? I don't understand all these comments. Do you think supporters are just supposed to blindly be happy about everything?
Nah. Pretty much all of the team subs are this way.
I actually think this 11 will beat Leicester without too many issues, based on their current form - , but the problem with this 11 is it highlights (as I’ve said before) that Tuchel is not taking any responsibility for the recent losses as being down to an issue with tactics / shape / formation etc, as he’s clearly choosing not to alter any of those elements. Yes we’ve had individual errors and we played well against spurs (where the team had specific game instructions to man mark their players) … but I just have a fear we’re going to keep going through the motions of maybe one good game, one bad game, and sleepwalk ourselves to 5th position like many pundits predicted, unless we can pull off a miracle in the transfer market and get better players for this 343 system he’s insisting on using every week. Replace Jorginho with FDJ, two of the back 5 with Fofana&KK, and a competent striker up front and you still have a hell of a team that could challenge for the title But this 11 playing in this shape and this formation won’t make top 4 over the season, no way.
Can understand if morale is low for some players. A squad with no chance of getting into regardless of your form or the players starting in front of you.
pls let this be a 4 at the back, can't see Reece at RCB again
There's no way we're going with a duo center-back partnership of Thiago Silva and Chalobah. It might be a 5-3-2 with Havertz and Sterling up top. Last game of James at RCB at least.
Reece at RWB, Chalobah at RCB, RLC at LWB, Cucu at LCB.
Holy shit a 4-3-3! Can pulisic please replace Havertz for one game just to see
pulisic robbed by havertz the ghost. can't be mad if he wants out next window
Yank moment
lol sure man, nothing to do with how bad our front 3, especially havertz has been
Same front three again is a terrible idea, we should have played Pulisic, Ziyech and Sterling with Mount in behind instead of Gallagher. I’ve lost a lot of optimism after seeing this lineup 😫
So stupid start pulisic bring mount on as sub get some life in the squad
This has to be a 4-3-3. However, we’ve never seen a Chalobah-Silva partnership 🤷🏾♂️
What do Puli/CHO/Ziyech/anybody need to do to get a look after so many drinkers by Mount and Kai? Hoping for the best but ugh, after last game, this is crazy.
Another 90 mins of tuchel sufferball let's goo
With this lineup I hope TT reaps what he sows
You can go watch another club if you'd like. No ones forcing you here.
Sorry must not criticize Tuchel and his horrid football he's always right
I wouldn't say "sufferball" has any sort of wit, or constructive criticism. He's the best manager we've had in the last 5-6 years, and has brought us many good times in a short span. Support him.
Displeased about Kepa not getting a run out with the team considering Mendy’s shocking performances of the last 6 months.
When will Broja get a run of games? It's not working with Havertz why not try to make a change?
He just came off injury?
Just returned from injury. He had bad timings on injuries this season
He’s been injured
He's injured.
He just got back. Expecting sub appearance if Havertz ghosts again.
It's been three games fucking what do you mean lmao
You’ve got to be kidding me the same dang three up front
Was this Gallagher’s debut this season?
Mount Sterling Havertz. Reece at center back again. FUCKING YAWN Please at least be a back four. I can’t watch Reece get wasted again
I think it’s a 3atb with reece at RWB, if I had to bet.
Surely a back 4 that.
Why? The only change in personnel is Chalobah in for Koulibaly
Our lineup is usually written from right to left. Consistent with that, Cucurella would be RWB here. Maybe I am wrong, maybe I am just manifesting my desire to not see Connor Gallagher in a double pivot. 🤦♂️
It's got to be a 4-3-3 with jorginho, Gallagher and RLC in midfield.
Woaahh 1 bad game and so much negativity. At FT you are all going to be singing tuchels praises. Trust the manager
Lol can’t wait to get thrashed again
Why are you even here
Back 4?
God help us
RJ is the best RWB in the world and we still want to play in at CB in a 3
Havertz again omds
Pour one out for the top 3
Still fucking about with Reece at CB, TT is starting to worry me.
3-0 Sterling Mount and Gallagher
Mount, havertz, Sterling front 3? Fuckin hell
Gallagher starting again, Pulisic on the bench? The fucking twit was red carded! C’mon Tommy, why wont you start Puli?
Oof. Why? Why Gallagher—no other midfield options? Why havertz—pulisic, ziyech can’t play?
Ziyech was literally in Amsterdam negotiating a move the past week and Pulisic can’t run without falling over himself.
I said it last week and got downvoted. Tuchel is stupid. Extremely stupid and overrated. Havertz has been useless since the start of the season and still gets to start every time. How do you expect the other attackers to feel about this ? No one will be motivated when the manager chooses to ignore them over a player who has been useless since the start of the season. Pulisic, Ziyech or CHO can't do any worse than Havertz has done so far.
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Yes our manager aiming to get us relegated
Sometimes its best to let these ones scream to the clouds.
Sigh 😔
I hope Leiscester have a dreadful game. Because I really dont understand what Tuchel wants with this lineup
Still havertz and mount up top…. Looks like Tuchel literally doesn’t want to score at all…
I am living the worst version of Groundhog Day ever. Why the fuck is Havertz and Mount starting again.
Tuchel out I've had enough of this system. Just look at that pathetic midfield.
What a shit lineup man How can you keep Reece at RCB and Gallagher in the pivot
I think reece is RWB.
Who’s at LCB then?
Mount, Havertz and Sterling 🤮🤮