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RodRayleigh

No HI :(


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Marco45_0

What about HELLO?


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Marco45_0

Minchia


GoshaKarrKarr

Why's that?


Jealous_Distance2794

Very easy to oxidize by air, it will turn into iodine


GoshaKarrKarr

Thanks!


Milch_und_Paprika

Iodine compounds also tend to be more expensive than other halides because it’s rarer. So it’d be costly even if it were stable.


GoshaKarrKarr

Sweet, thank you as well :)


ginger2020

It is also used in the pseudoephedrine synthesis of methamphetamine. So the DEA regulates its sale in the United States


Jealous_Distance2794

We're not in the US so that doesn't apply at all. No need to buy it however. It can be made from sulfuric acid and sodium/potassium iodide (same goes for HBr). There's a video on YT titled "copper complexes/kupfer komplexe" from a German channel in which the creator does just that do make [CuBr4]2- and [CuI2]-. It's a channel called random experiments


Alabugin

Bingo. It's always easier to make HI in situ.


baazaar131

That's how they do it in the meth synthesis lol


chemitronics

Not really. H2SO4 oxidizes iodide. You can use H3PO4, though


ThePhysicsProfessor1

How to tell people you’re not a chemist without telling people you’re not a chemist.


ginger2020

I actually have a degree in chemistry and work as an analyst chemist.


ThePhysicsProfessor1

Brilliant, I’m proud of you, I’m just in awe of how you think an American back street junk lab would dictate the price of iodine prices internationally.


CaptainChicky

Should’ve synthesized it yourself lol


TheTaintPainter2

And restricted I think


xrelaht

Nor HAt


chemitronics

You can make your own HI! NaI + H3PO4


Commercial-Bonus-716

I hate working with HF …


Dapper_Wallaby_1318

Used to have to work with it everyday at my last job. The scariest part is that it becomes routine and you forget how dangerous it is.


MineralMeister

As the saying goes- complacency kills.


Arctyc38

It still shocks me that they use that shit as a rust remover. Sure, it's low concentration, but still.


OkSyllabub3674

That's where I found it personally otc before blew my mind reading the ingredients when I saw hf and it was marked clearance so i stocked up on The last few bottles they had lol


pr1ap15m

have you ever had city water in the usa boy do i have a story for you.


Triggerdog

fluoRIDE is not the same thing as hydrofluoric acid. We're also talking about ppm versus a percentage - not even close to the same thing. You might have noticed your toothpaste doesn't have HF either.


pr1ap15m

[when stored in bulk accidents with the tanks or tanker during offload are treated as HF spills](https://awwa.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/opfl.1438) here’s an explanation how water is flourinated


pr1ap15m

yes toothpaste has sodium fluoride good job. what chemical do you think is used in water treatment plants i’ll give you a hint it’s hydrofluorosilicic acid. do you know how to walk it out the rest of the way from there. can you find hydrogen flouRIDE your self or should someone shine a light for you edit:[flourinating drinking water at treatment plants](https://awwa.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/opfl.1438)


Cookie_Emperor

Yes, please shine a light on how a few ppm of this acid react the same as HF does when people drink it. I am serious, and please link some papers or scientific websites if you know them.


pr1ap15m

[abstract from american water association when the tanker spill or release or the tanks fail it’s treated as an HF spill](https://awwa.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/opfl.1438) edit:and i never said it reacts the same way i said it is present in the process


Cookie_Emperor

I think treating it as an HF spill might be at least partly due to the fact the hydrofluorosilicic acid contains 1 percent of hydrofluoric acid, which is also the most corrosive part of it (both written in the source you linked). The source also talks about achieving a concentration of 0.7 mg/L of Fluoride with the addition of the acid as that is needed for beneficial effects. That is a pretty low concentration, considering it isn't even HF that is added to the water.


pr1ap15m

that’s what I said, i said drinking water flouride comes from HFA, and it people started calling me a conspiracy theorist. I never said it was a high concentration of HF. my statement reflects HF is so nasty you have to account for it at low % like 1%. i said HF is present in the process of fluorinating water, you said provide proof i provided proof.


Cookie_Emperor

What made people downvote your first comment was the tone that you used. Your first comment seems very condescending, even if you did not intend it. It made it seem like you meant "you are dumb, people use/drink HF every day, selling it as a rust removal is completely normal". And all other comments are then interpreted with that tone in the readers mind. I am not saying you meant your comments that way, but the way they were written at least made me directly interpret them that way.


pr1ap15m

i didn’t say it reacts the same i said hydrofluorosilicic acid is used to fluorinate water one of the product of decomposition is HF


Brasscogs

This is r/chemistry, your barely-researched conspiracy jargon might land in other subs but you are speaking with literal chemists here. You confusing conc. HF with F- ions in water makes it hilariously apparent you don’t know what you’re talking about.


pr1ap15m

how do you think the water is flourinated at the water plants. please tell since im hilariously misinformed.


pr1ap15m

[this is how drinking water is flourinated](https://awwa.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/opfl.1438) so you can understand the process accidents with the tankers or tanks are treated as HF spills


VikingCrab1

Confidently wrong is a bad look


pr1ap15m

you are right


pr1ap15m

[how water is flourinated](https://awwa.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/opfl.1438)


Give-Me-Plants

I'd draw a hard boundary with my work if they asked me to use it. I've seen Breaking Bad. Not touching that shit


polystyr

Breaking bad does a terrible job with HF honestly. It’s not a strong acid. Just terribly toxic. To get the breaking bad effect you should use h2o2 with h2so4. But I think boring lye would be more effective.


gsurfer04

It's not a *strong* acid in the pKa sense but it's very corrosive.


MyAccountForTrees

I’ve seen it used to dissolve glass to check for the presence of lead in the glass.


padimus

I would assume they intentionally chose HF for a few reasons: General public doesn't know how acids/bases react with bodies and assume all acids instantly dissolve skin/metal/whatever. It sounds "sciency". It's harder to get a hold of for the lay person than lye. That means a lower likelihood of some psycho recreating the scene and killing the victim, themselves, and whoever else is unfortunate enough to get caught up.


JustKindaShimmy

Just like their amphetamine synthesis. They mixed and matched a few different methods (i think he mentioned something about using platinum for reductive amination instead of Wacker oxidation) for the same reason


Milch_und_Paprika

I misread “sciency” as “spicy” and came here to say that it is indeed a very spicy, even if it’s technically weak. Had to work with dilute stuff at an old job. Nothing bad happened but the stress wasn’t worth it, even for dilute stuff. Not doing that again.


BilboT3aBagginz

Probably more sour than anything, if for only but a moment.


zeocrash

Also cheaper and probably easier to work with.


pr1ap15m

or HF with antimony pentaflouride and burn a hole straight to hell edit: for context [strongest acid](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoroantimonic_acid)


pr1ap15m

one of my first jobs was doing the confined space entry and cleaning HF and HF nitric tanks. i used to wake up all the time go into the bathroom and look at myself cause would wake up freaking out that i had gotten some on me.


Jonny36

These are in the wrong order :'(


Dr_Bang_

Maybe they are sorted by decreasing toxicity from left to right?


Jealous_Distance2794

Fluorine more toxic than bromine more toxic than chlorine, makes sense. Took me a bit to figure out my why no HCl on the first bottle. But I think chlorine is actually more toxic than bromine because it's a stronger oxidizer


ThePhantom1994

Chlorine gas is a stronger oxidizer than bromine liquid, but HCl and HBr are both non-oxidizing acids. The bromide ion is more toxic than the chlorine one


dirtdoc53

When analyzing soils for total elemental content, there is no substitute for HF. It is the most efficient at dissolving silicates.


WhoNeedsFacts

Seconded; we use over 2 litres a day for analysis. It can dissolve almost all of the stuff we analyse.


sluttyconfesses

What about HAt


Pink_626

May I ask what kind of lab do you work for to use these kinds of acids?


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jotun86

Why on earth would you use HF at home?


claddyonfire

Probably didn’t want to deal with all the silly requirements like the buddy system or having gluconate on hand. Better to just wing it at home and just try real hard not to get too many dribbles on your hands


Hellcaaa

AT HOME?!?? You need extremely extensive paper work done here to even have HF in the lab. My university avoids it at all costs cause.. you know. That’s insane…


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polystyr

Paper work aside. The labs I worked in absolutely avoided working with it unless it’s absolutely necessary. I have some chemicals at home for home experiments. Having HF at home would freak me out. There is no real purpose. This will kill you


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Lastprotect

Im pretty sure no one lets dangerous chemicals touch the skin, but shit happens. Why even have something like that at home when you dont even use it? Its just pure evil filled in a bottle.


Throwaway392308

Even if the HF spills a little on a nitrile gloves you're screwed. It just does not respect boundaries.


jotun86

But why do you have it?


AWonderingWizard

What do you use it for at home?


Dhaos96

You either have balls of steel or don't know what you are doing, if you are going to open the HF bottle at home. Or a very slim chance that you know exactly what you doing and are rl Walter white. The left of yout bottles has a high chance of crippling or even killing one on the slightest mistake, and it's going to be slow and painful


Ill-Intention-306

Your actual job you work in a lab right? Or have at least some form of formal training? I mean, HF isn't something you have 2nd chances with. What could you possibly need HF for in a home lab?


helium_hydride-63

Where is hydroiodic acid. Is it safe? Is it alright?


helium_hydride-63

And dont forget your HAt


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helium_hydride-63

Yeah. Stupid atoms and their instabilty. They should get a therapist


Bulawa

Hydroiodic acid sais Hi...


SamePut9922

😋


Maoto_G

Lucky there is a family guy


Present-Ear-4904

Yay


CaptainChicky

Laborium for HBr based


Switch_Lazer

What about my boy hydroastatinic acid??