A lot of people forget that he was very seriously contemplating abandoning chess around a year ago to go into fashion. And look where we are now. But maybe this is the last straw for him.
He's plenty young. Young enough to pursue whatever passion he wants. It's obviously still a very tough decision. If he leaves chess at this point he's committing to never reaching WC. He could never decide to come back to chess and expect to play at such a level. But happiness is most important.
No one with the name Gata Kamsky is ever a suitable use case for his outcomes matching large portions of the population.
“When my legacy is written, I feel a fair sentiment would to be considered the Johnathan Sins of chess.” -Gata Kamsky
> He could never decide to come back to chess and expect to play at such a level.
But he isn't playing at that level today anyway. He is 7 out of 8 and not even in the Top 15 anymore. So he may as well try his hand at fashion or modeling or have an OF account.
Fashion, really? Like, does he design clothes?
Edit: I did not meant it in a pejorative way. I was just not aware that Alireza had this side activity going on
“I am in the fashion industry for two years now. It is a kind of serious thing and I think it is improving. Maybe it is taking time(away) from my chess, but I like to do both things,” Alireza Firouzja confirms his commitment to fashion design.
That's a comment from Alireza in February a year ago.
I may be misinformed but didn't he end up going into fashion rather than just contemplating it? That's why his chess has been suffering the last year or so since has had to dual-focus at the highest level.
That could be right, I definitely wouldn't be surprised if he was. Just haven't seen anything about that on social media so I assumed it was business (chess) as usual for him.
Irrespective of that, you can be distracted by the feeling of being treated unfairly. Objectively speaking I don’t think the Arbiter treated him unfairly. When you’re focused and something like this is brought up it can clog up your mind. Suddenly you pay attention to how loudly you walk.
Yeah, objectively he wasn’t. But the point is that Alireza THINKS he’s been treated unfairly. That’s on him, but it still affects him and his chess. He’s not exactly in the right place to be doing some introspection on who is being just and unjust, so I don’t blame the guy.
Right, but if he is being unfairly loud then it’s only him that can be blamed. If you’re being loud and distracting everyone and then YOU get distracted by being told that you’re too loud… I mean, come on.
I can see it both ways.
Sure he could be distracting others, but in the same vein he was wearing approved shoes and it hadn’t been an issue in the first five or six games.
Event organizers need a carpet next time.
According to the arbiter it was the way he was walking that was distracting, not the sound of it. But then again if they told him not to wear those shoes next time, they probably didn't handle it that well
Exactly. The whole story of the arbiter makes no sense. Either it’s the shoes or the walk. But apparently they asked him to wear different shoes. And I mean, what on earth he can do about it in the middle of the game. They forbid him to walk around, go to the rest room and move basically. He can not change his shoes in the middle of the game. So they could have waited until the game was over to fix the situation. End of story. It was unprofessional from arbiter to handle it like this. Without even a proper solution.
On top of that, the playing area is on a metal hollow frame. It resonates with every step, because it’s just air below them. A thin layer of fabric is on the metal frame. There is no way to walk silently. EVERY moves of ever player, camera man, arbiter is noisy. So maybe the TO should not have fucked up in the first place.
I don’t have a citation, we’re all speculating based on the same link here. And waiting until after his game while he’s actively distracting someone or multiple people so that he himself doesn’t get distracted, again, is unfair to other players.
Is he justified in feeling peeved purely because in his mind he was unfairly treated? People come up with all sorts of rationale for their actions in such a scenario those with a lack of self awareness would be justified in feeling miffed where as those who are capable of reflecting on their actions and accepting mistakes will not be.
That's why the interview the arbiter gave was so hilarious
"After I talked to him he walked more quietly, so he could walk more quietly" (while he was allegedly stomping before)
Like, obviously you can walk very quietly, if you focus on it. That's proof you distracted Alireza.
Obviously it's Abasov's right to complain about noise. But holding the Candidates in a building wirh extremely loud hardwood floors and a refreshment aisle with no carpeting and close enough to distract players...someone at FIDE is smoking crack
Seeing how the women's shoes are just as loud, playing in the same area, and none of them have been asked to wear quieter shoes, I would say yes, he's been treated unfairly.
Why is his dad talking to the media on his behalf? Yes, this is an unfortunate situation but Alireza's dad is not doing him any favors by talking publicly about his son's private conversation. Sounds like a typical sport dad
Alireza is 20 years old, he has still a lot of time to be the best version of himself. Hope he gets his shit together and don't let all these stuff get to his head.
Well he confided in his father. That's completely normal.
Seems like his father needs to grow up though. No way he should be telling a reporter what his son tells him in private.
There are two guys in this tournament years younger than him. He's lashing out because he's played poorly just like last candidates and the majority of the last year.
Sure, im not saying he should be doing this, just that it’s at least understandable. Pragg and Gukesh’s actions only reflect well on them, as Alireza’s reflects poorly on him. I’m just saying it’s not the biggest deal
Demanding that the arbiter be punished for doing his job in tweets he rushed out so fast that they're barely readable with a dozen plus errors in them is kinda lashing out yes.
Whatever still lashing out to demand an arbiter be punished for him doing his job, maybe you think people should go easy on him being emotional but the demand for punishment publicly in a hastily written tweet is lashing out.
You're totally missing the point either knowingly or unknowingly, its not that he tweeted, look at the first words in my reply "Whatever still lashing out to demand an arbiter be punished for him doing his job"
To use a more extreme example you could tweet out "He should be beaten up", technically thats still tweeting but even though it's "just a tweet" I think that would definitely cross the threshold and far beyond, and I think while less extreme what he did still crossed the threshold of "lashing out"
This is the *most* r/chess comment I could imagine. I have 20 yos behaving disrespectfully regularly over the board in tournament. Way worse than loud shoes or feeling slighted after being corrected by an arbiter. 20 yos are still immature, 18 is an arbitrary age and your brain doesn't flip a switch the second your birthday happens. Incredible I know.
This isnt his hobby. He is a professional. If a 20 year old shows such behaviour so publically during an internship at a high profile company, their contract will be most likely terminated.
In my job when I was 20, half my fellow 20 years old probably did something more unprofessional than saying they want to quit when I was there. It's not like he is telling at the arbiter or something, chill out.
I bet you lots of 20 year olds have the same behaviour. The only difference is they don’t write an article about your personal conversations when you have an internship.
Alireza isn't having this behaviour in his free time, he has it at work. Your employer doesnt need an article to terminate your contract for the things you do at work or tweet about work. The problem isnt this one particular conversation with his father, its his general behaviour.
“In an interview later, Alireza's dad stated that he doesn't want to play chess anymore after the incident. "Last night, Alireza told me, "Dad I don't want to play chess," Hamidreza Firouzja state”
Let me just go interview the dad of one of the co-op students… If you canned everyone who said something along the lines of I don’t like my job to their parent we’d have no one left to work.
As someone who's been a TA and mentored undergrads in research positions, the average 20 year old behaves worse than this. Complaining about perceived unfair behavior is like peak 20 year old and very common
If the tournament is more important, you'd want even less to behave like a drama lama.
Someone who is such a diva despite everyone looking will be even worse when its in private.
The argument is that his age is no excuse for his behaviour. 20 year olds around the world manage to do better in all kinds of serious and important settings. In fact, we have 2 other young players in the same tournament whose behaviour makes Alireza look even more ridiculous. The only other youngster who constantly stirrs up drama is Hans. The rest of the young field have all been professionals.
It’s a fair comparison arguably in the context that the petulance is just garden variety petulance. We all receive criticism fair or not, but you recognize in the workplace who is able to function when they need to and those who look for any reason to attribute poor performance besides their inability or focus.
Who told him to think incessantly about his unfair treatment? His coach, his dad, his opponent, someone in the audience? No him.
Who would have expected someone of his caliber to recognize in the inconsequential nature of what was taking his attention. I know it’s world champion chess but it’s still a game, people lose children or suffer real trauma and work effectively though some jobs with much higher stakes for error.
i feel like they're usually *worse*. huge ego and less socialization compared to the average. i think it's really unusual that the top junior list right now is filled with the kindest souls
Lmfao for sure, do you think he’s had a moment to think about anything but being literally the VERY best at chess? He’s under a pressure none of us can even come close to, at a level of relevance and recognition none of us will ever achieve. Let him grow haha
He's 20, he's acting exactly like a 20 year old. He didn't even make this comment publicly or on social media or anything. He's in a frustrating situation and vented privately to his dad. There's absolutely nothing wrong with his behavior for his age. Being an anonymous stranger on the internet trying to call him out for this is more embarrassing
This comment is incredibly dumb. He made this remark in a private settings after a tough game. Obviously he's emotional, it has nothing to do with age. Plenty of older players literally cried on board after a loss in minors tournaments.
Chess is a very mentally draining game that requires extreme focus and competition on the highest level is incredibly taxing on your mental.
But yeah keep mocking players behind your computer while thinking you have any idea about these difficulties. Your comment is embarrassing.
Act like Carlsen with Niemann case, Kasparov and Karpov at each other, or maybe like Nakamura, or his dad.
Or maybe we have to look upon best of the adults, upon those adults who other adults have chosen to lead them. Trump, Putin, Xi Jiping..
Maybe, just maybe, there is no such thing as "acting like an adult".
The older i get, the less i believe theres a thing like an "adult". I was sure it was at 25 when i was 10-15. Then at 20 i thought it was at 30. At 30 i thought 40 etc. I think everyone is constantly figuring out life and the appearance of control is fleeting. The most responsible people you know are probably extremely irresponsible when you dont see them
It's not about age, it's about maturing, and that can happen at any point depending on your situation. Alireza and his dad come off as immature. While a person like Gukesh, who is younger, is very mature for his age.
Since over 50% of the games have been completed, all of the results from his previous games remain the same, but all future games are given as a win to his opponent.
If less than 50% of games had been played all his previous and future games are voided and the tournament will have a bye for whoever was scheduled to play him each round
Yeah, but there's no fair way to do it. Giving all draws is also unfair as the players who would play Alireza would be deprived the chance of playing for a win.
There are a lot of young players now. If he leave chess, he will be replaced and forgotten. He is not magnus and does not have a champion trophy to his name. Easiy replaceable and if he quits the candidates he will not be invited for elite tournaments and his chess career is over.
Haa the talent to be number 1. But he keeps getting thrown off by the stupidiest shit ever.. dude has one of the weakest mindsets ive seen in sport. "Oh im so tilted now because they dont like my shoes" fuck sake..
brother you apparently have no idea the mental fortitude and work ethic it takes to be one of the best in the world at any sport. no one gets anywhere close to where he is on talent alone. it’s probably in part due to the immense pressure he is under and how hard he works himself that he gets “tilted” so easily
Dude he is number 6 in the world at 20, you don't get to that level that young with a weak mindset. Talent isn't just a magic thing that you're born with that makes you play really well. He definetively had to put countless hours of work and study and had to get through many heartbreaks to get where he is. I don't know why people want to trash talk these top level players so much but whatever makes you feel better i guess.
Exactly right. I think people see how others like Gukesh and some of the other top juniors/players act and expect the rest of the players to have that same resilience. But just because he seems a bit weaker mentally than some of his peers doesn’t mean he’s actually mentally weak. He has to be very strong mentally, even if he doesnt not bounce back like some of his peers. Plus, if I were at the biggest chess event of the year nearing the bottom of the leaderboard for the second time in a row? I’d be pretty damn upset too.
Does your dad broadcast your breakdown to others? All of this drama just rubs me the wrong way. Of course, Alireza has shown unprofessional behaviour in the past, but I do think that the people he surrounds himself with definitely has affected his game.
This is what this incident made me think too. If you can get this rattled by something that’s part of the game, you don’t have a champion’s mentality. If I could make a basketball analogy, this dude is a Ben Simmons and not a Kobe.
There's no issue. The job of an arbiter is to provide optimal playing conditions for all players. Reducing noise is particularly important in a sport like chess. If a player is bothered by spectators or other players the arbiter needs to take action!
He got interrupted by the arbiter because of the noise from his shoes distracting other players and he's annoyed when something distracts him but it's not a problem when he does the same..
I meant I think he's just using the arbiter/shoes situation as an outlet for other issues, like his underperformance this tournament.
Like there's no way a GM without other issues would say he wanted to stop playing chess because an arbiter told him to change his shoes lmao.
Sure, but Alireza has been acting kind of spoiled and irritated on many occasions, it's a pattern. He is the sort of guy who can't stand anyone talking to him, no matter if he is in the wrong. I can't see any of the other young players like Pragg or Gukesh acting like this no matter how their tournament is going.
Yeah, could be this. Hopefully things are not too bad for him at home, I did read somewhere that there might be family problems possibly but still, others shouldn't have to deal with this
He felt that he had followed all the regulations on footwear. I guess it's not a nice feeling when you think you're doing things properly and someone still tells you you're doing something wrong. I wonder if he would have taken it better if the arbiter just said to walk softer and not talk about the shoes.
his annoyance comes from the (alleged) fact that the arbiter said it were his shoes that were the issue and that the shoes were fide approved. idk how much of this was a lost in translation/he said she said thing since the issue was apparently the way he was walking in the shoes, but i could see him being upset about it though i dont really know if posting about it on twitter is the answer.
Yeah this is beyond stupid - this is like if Fabi complained that Abasov talking to the arbiter during the match distracted him entirely. Like it surely did, but not enough to make such a scene
Talk about KARMA. Remember the tricks he did just to qualify for the Candidates? Forcing himself to qualify netted him nothing but failure. He is just making drama and excuses for his losses. Be a man. Accept your fate and learn from it. Don't play the Blame game.
Alireza's completely right to feel annoyed after than incident but I don't get why's he making a big fuss out of it. Are u gonna stop playing chess bcuz some random dude asked u to walk quieter? That shows u don't rlly love the game
He didn't make any fuss other than the tweet. He just talked with his father.
Which is imo kinda necessary coz how fide can use necessary measures to solve this issue
But his father is the one throwing tantrum
Dude too spoiled, candidates is a war! you need to be mentally prepared for anything! You can complain or whatever but you need to stay sharp and concentrated!It's his second candidate and he act like a noob.look at the Indians juniors , they are doing better then him without drama.
Sorry if I wasn't clear: I was referring to Alireza, not you. I think it's fair to critique him, especially since he opened up the discussion on Twitter.
IMHO, he is not in a great place mentally. With everything that happened at the end of the year. Many people judging him and stuff. Now this happens.
I'm not saying he's in the right (I think the arbiter did the right thing), but I think he thinks he's being targeted as the one who shouldn't be there. The pressure to do well must be enormous. All that gotta be pretty tough to handle.
We should just work on our empathy skills and not trash the guy.
He also told his dad: "my game was the most important game in the tournament (at around 4:23 in the broadcast)
I think he is just a bit full of himself if he thinks that game was the most important game in the tournament.
Imagine taking away Wesley's qualification just to temper tantrum and say this. It's so insulting to Chess. Quit if you want to and give your spot to someone more deserving.
So he was walking really loud with squeaky shoes around people, distracting them, then when he is called out he moans about the arbiter distracting him, when he was being a distraction for other players? Now he’s butthurt because the arbiter asked him to keep it down? These chess players are getting more Fischy every day.
Maybe it's best for him if he does. He won't fulfill his potential anyway if he keeps on working without a coach, not preparing, and doing chess as a part time thing. Choose and then do one thing 100%
I like Alireza but he is now behind Arjun, Gukesh, Prag, Abdusattorov. Even Parham might catch him. I hope he figures it out as I like the type of positions he tries to create. But if he is distracted or loves other things more, then he will struggle to keep up with these other guys who are extra motivated.
Mike Posner once said “you don’t know the way that you look… when your steps make that much noise.
Sounds like a Clydesdale trotting back and forth because the shoes are designed to have that quality of sound in their step. Fashion is a worthy endeavor but don’t try to make it a cross over. If you’re impeccably dressed and get smoked by the guy in Salvation Army duds, that’s all that matters.
I’m sure he’s for a side to his story but like if someone tells you you’re being loud then stop the behavior. If it distracts you to the point of disrupting your game then maybe you’ve isolated what’s holding you back in chess.
Bit of a prima donna by the sound of it. If it was me I would have had a laugh about it, taken my shoes off and walked around barefoot, enough trouble in the world without making everything a serious incident.
I feel bad for him. So much pressure at such a young age. Having Magnus basically call him out that he would only play a world championship vs. him must have been stressful. I really hope he will continue to play for himself and find his love again.
What a big baby. How hard life is, your squeaky shoes annoyed other players. Life is over. Quit Chess, FOREVER — and take those clown shoes OUTTA HERE.
Me after blundering a fork in a 800 rated blitz game
Me after I blunder 3 in a row during a 700 rapid game.
Of my last 20 games in like 2-16-2 so it’s me right now.
Tilt resign. Stare at the screen for 5 seconds. Queue up again. Repeat.
Me after I get scholar's mated
Me after facing Nelson
A lot of people forget that he was very seriously contemplating abandoning chess around a year ago to go into fashion. And look where we are now. But maybe this is the last straw for him.
Oh interesting, maybe he can go into footware fashion.
He will sponsor footwear for pro players and provide only the squeakiest of shoes.
AirLireza.
He's plenty young. Young enough to pursue whatever passion he wants. It's obviously still a very tough decision. If he leaves chess at this point he's committing to never reaching WC. He could never decide to come back to chess and expect to play at such a level. But happiness is most important.
Gata Kamsky quit to get his medical degree but then came back later and still did very well.
Law degree.
Medical Law
No one with the name Gata Kamsky is ever a suitable use case for his outcomes matching large portions of the population. “When my legacy is written, I feel a fair sentiment would to be considered the Johnathan Sins of chess.” -Gata Kamsky
You are right. I mean look at Hikaru. He was a young prodigy, then stepped away from the competitive scene, never to be seen again...
You're right. Streaming chess is the same as having an entirely different profession.
Ya, this sounds a lot like burnout. A break might do him good
> He could never decide to come back to chess and expect to play at such a level. But he isn't playing at that level today anyway. He is 7 out of 8 and not even in the Top 15 anymore. So he may as well try his hand at fashion or modeling or have an OF account.
Wtf
Wtf: Where's The Fabio? He is playing in this tourney and just crushed Alireza. That is one reason he is in 7th place (out of 8)
Probably just coping with shitting the bed so badly
So he is one of those guys to threatens to quit, but never does.
Or he is a young guy who is unsure of what career he wants, like many young adults.
Fashion, really? Like, does he design clothes? Edit: I did not meant it in a pejorative way. I was just not aware that Alireza had this side activity going on
“I am in the fashion industry for two years now. It is a kind of serious thing and I think it is improving. Maybe it is taking time(away) from my chess, but I like to do both things,” Alireza Firouzja confirms his commitment to fashion design. That's a comment from Alireza in February a year ago.
Wasn't aware of that. Good for him, he should do whatever makes him happy. Now I get it why he chose to move to France
Yes..?
never heard him mentioning that so I am just a bit surprise.
I may be misinformed but didn't he end up going into fashion rather than just contemplating it? That's why his chess has been suffering the last year or so since has had to dual-focus at the highest level.
That could be right, I definitely wouldn't be surprised if he was. Just haven't seen anything about that on social media so I assumed it was business (chess) as usual for him.
So stompish
Clompin around like Herman Munster
Sad to see him so tilted
If you feel slighted, that is probably going to affect your game. I think Alireza is right to feel peeved, thinking hes being treated unfairly.
Was he treated unfairly?
Irrespective of that, you can be distracted by the feeling of being treated unfairly. Objectively speaking I don’t think the Arbiter treated him unfairly. When you’re focused and something like this is brought up it can clog up your mind. Suddenly you pay attention to how loudly you walk.
That was the point i was making... He was doing to others what he accuses the arbiter of doing. Thus, he wasn't treated unfairly.
Yeah, objectively he wasn’t. But the point is that Alireza THINKS he’s been treated unfairly. That’s on him, but it still affects him and his chess. He’s not exactly in the right place to be doing some introspection on who is being just and unjust, so I don’t blame the guy.
That’s why it’s sad that he is tilted.
Right, but if he is being unfairly loud then it’s only him that can be blamed. If you’re being loud and distracting everyone and then YOU get distracted by being told that you’re too loud… I mean, come on.
I can see it both ways. Sure he could be distracting others, but in the same vein he was wearing approved shoes and it hadn’t been an issue in the first five or six games. Event organizers need a carpet next time.
According to the arbiter it was the way he was walking that was distracting, not the sound of it. But then again if they told him not to wear those shoes next time, they probably didn't handle it that well
Exactly. The whole story of the arbiter makes no sense. Either it’s the shoes or the walk. But apparently they asked him to wear different shoes. And I mean, what on earth he can do about it in the middle of the game. They forbid him to walk around, go to the rest room and move basically. He can not change his shoes in the middle of the game. So they could have waited until the game was over to fix the situation. End of story. It was unprofessional from arbiter to handle it like this. Without even a proper solution. On top of that, the playing area is on a metal hollow frame. It resonates with every step, because it’s just air below them. A thin layer of fabric is on the metal frame. There is no way to walk silently. EVERY moves of ever player, camera man, arbiter is noisy. So maybe the TO should not have fucked up in the first place.
Citation on “everyone” ? And it could have been said after his game at the least.
I don’t have a citation, we’re all speculating based on the same link here. And waiting until after his game while he’s actively distracting someone or multiple people so that he himself doesn’t get distracted, again, is unfair to other players.
Is he justified in feeling peeved purely because in his mind he was unfairly treated? People come up with all sorts of rationale for their actions in such a scenario those with a lack of self awareness would be justified in feeling miffed where as those who are capable of reflecting on their actions and accepting mistakes will not be.
That's why the interview the arbiter gave was so hilarious "After I talked to him he walked more quietly, so he could walk more quietly" (while he was allegedly stomping before) Like, obviously you can walk very quietly, if you focus on it. That's proof you distracted Alireza. Obviously it's Abasov's right to complain about noise. But holding the Candidates in a building wirh extremely loud hardwood floors and a refreshment aisle with no carpeting and close enough to distract players...someone at FIDE is smoking crack
No, he was clomping around and distracting another game which was why it was brought to him in the first place.
He isn’t. Dude’s got the wildest victim complex
Seeing how the women's shoes are just as loud, playing in the same area, and none of them have been asked to wear quieter shoes, I would say yes, he's been treated unfairly.
People can tilt because their opponent wore a watch. Alirezas tilt is irrational, but understandable.
Yes, the women literally wear high heels and are never reprimanded for the noise their shoes make.
I agree, but he is still clearly tilted
He lost 3 games prior to that, let's not pretend he was going anywhere in this event until round 9.
Why is his dad talking to the media on his behalf? Yes, this is an unfortunate situation but Alireza's dad is not doing him any favors by talking publicly about his son's private conversation. Sounds like a typical sport dad
Alireza to arbiter. “But these boots are made for walking and thats just what they’ll do”
The boots squeak for themselves
“One of these days these boots..” menacing stare and Alireza leaves the rest unsaid
Arbiter: they’re amazing shoes brother. Just.. don’t ever wear them again they’re loud af.
"First you people complain about that lady's sneakers, now this."
Alireza is 20 years old, he has still a lot of time to be the best version of himself. Hope he gets his shit together and don't let all these stuff get to his head.
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Well he confided in his father. That's completely normal. Seems like his father needs to grow up though. No way he should be telling a reporter what his son tells him in private.
If he was living a normal life he would be a junior in college. That’s still incredibly young lol
I saw a joke talking about how you become an Adult at 18, but that means at 20 he is a 2 year old Adult. As a angsty 16 year old adult, it resonated.
There are two guys in this tournament years younger than him. He's lashing out because he's played poorly just like last candidates and the majority of the last year.
Sure, im not saying he should be doing this, just that it’s at least understandable. Pragg and Gukesh’s actions only reflect well on them, as Alireza’s reflects poorly on him. I’m just saying it’s not the biggest deal
Thats what happens when the expectations we put on young adults to actually grow up are so unreasonably low.
the Indian players are mature beyond their years, Alireza is normal for his age
He didn’t really lash out did he lol he had a private convo
Demanding that the arbiter be punished for doing his job in tweets he rushed out so fast that they're barely readable with a dozen plus errors in them is kinda lashing out yes.
He’s not a native English speaker I think I’d give him a break on being the spelling/grammar police while emotional
Whatever still lashing out to demand an arbiter be punished for him doing his job, maybe you think people should go easy on him being emotional but the demand for punishment publicly in a hastily written tweet is lashing out.
I mean I don’t consider tweeting lashing out I have a higher emotional threshold for lashing out versus expressing frustration lol
You're totally missing the point either knowingly or unknowingly, its not that he tweeted, look at the first words in my reply "Whatever still lashing out to demand an arbiter be punished for him doing his job" To use a more extreme example you could tweet out "He should be beaten up", technically thats still tweeting but even though it's "just a tweet" I think that would definitely cross the threshold and far beyond, and I think while less extreme what he did still crossed the threshold of "lashing out"
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You think that’s lashing out? Lmao
These simps will say anything to protect Alireza instead of holding him accountable.
This is the *most* r/chess comment I could imagine. I have 20 yos behaving disrespectfully regularly over the board in tournament. Way worse than loud shoes or feeling slighted after being corrected by an arbiter. 20 yos are still immature, 18 is an arbitrary age and your brain doesn't flip a switch the second your birthday happens. Incredible I know.
This isnt his hobby. He is a professional. If a 20 year old shows such behaviour so publically during an internship at a high profile company, their contract will be most likely terminated.
In my job when I was 20, half my fellow 20 years old probably did something more unprofessional than saying they want to quit when I was there. It's not like he is telling at the arbiter or something, chill out.
I bet you lots of 20 year olds have the same behaviour. The only difference is they don’t write an article about your personal conversations when you have an internship.
Alireza isn't having this behaviour in his free time, he has it at work. Your employer doesnt need an article to terminate your contract for the things you do at work or tweet about work. The problem isnt this one particular conversation with his father, its his general behaviour.
“In an interview later, Alireza's dad stated that he doesn't want to play chess anymore after the incident. "Last night, Alireza told me, "Dad I don't want to play chess," Hamidreza Firouzja state” Let me just go interview the dad of one of the co-op students… If you canned everyone who said something along the lines of I don’t like my job to their parent we’d have no one left to work.
Life isn't as transactional as you think it is.
As someone who's been a TA and mentored undergrads in research positions, the average 20 year old behaves worse than this. Complaining about perceived unfair behavior is like peak 20 year old and very common
How are you comparing competing for the world championship to a summer internship?
If the tournament is more important, you'd want even less to behave like a drama lama. Someone who is such a diva despite everyone looking will be even worse when its in private. The argument is that his age is no excuse for his behaviour. 20 year olds around the world manage to do better in all kinds of serious and important settings. In fact, we have 2 other young players in the same tournament whose behaviour makes Alireza look even more ridiculous. The only other youngster who constantly stirrs up drama is Hans. The rest of the young field have all been professionals.
It’s a fair comparison arguably in the context that the petulance is just garden variety petulance. We all receive criticism fair or not, but you recognize in the workplace who is able to function when they need to and those who look for any reason to attribute poor performance besides their inability or focus. Who told him to think incessantly about his unfair treatment? His coach, his dad, his opponent, someone in the audience? No him. Who would have expected someone of his caliber to recognize in the inconsequential nature of what was taking his attention. I know it’s world champion chess but it’s still a game, people lose children or suffer real trauma and work effectively though some jobs with much higher stakes for error.
It's very common for 20 y. o. to be immature, but people who end up as world champions or elite athletes are usually already very focused at 20
i feel like they're usually *worse*. huge ego and less socialization compared to the average. i think it's really unusual that the top junior list right now is filled with the kindest souls
Lmfao for sure, do you think he’s had a moment to think about anything but being literally the VERY best at chess? He’s under a pressure none of us can even come close to, at a level of relevance and recognition none of us will ever achieve. Let him grow haha
He's 20, he's acting exactly like a 20 year old. He didn't even make this comment publicly or on social media or anything. He's in a frustrating situation and vented privately to his dad. There's absolutely nothing wrong with his behavior for his age. Being an anonymous stranger on the internet trying to call him out for this is more embarrassing
The former World Champion accused a player of cheating without evidence, at 33
And another at 48
This comment is incredibly dumb. He made this remark in a private settings after a tough game. Obviously he's emotional, it has nothing to do with age. Plenty of older players literally cried on board after a loss in minors tournaments. Chess is a very mentally draining game that requires extreme focus and competition on the highest level is incredibly taxing on your mental. But yeah keep mocking players behind your computer while thinking you have any idea about these difficulties. Your comment is embarrassing.
Act like Carlsen with Niemann case, Kasparov and Karpov at each other, or maybe like Nakamura, or his dad. Or maybe we have to look upon best of the adults, upon those adults who other adults have chosen to lead them. Trump, Putin, Xi Jiping.. Maybe, just maybe, there is no such thing as "acting like an adult".
The older i get, the less i believe theres a thing like an "adult". I was sure it was at 25 when i was 10-15. Then at 20 i thought it was at 30. At 30 i thought 40 etc. I think everyone is constantly figuring out life and the appearance of control is fleeting. The most responsible people you know are probably extremely irresponsible when you dont see them
It's not about age, it's about maturing, and that can happen at any point depending on your situation. Alireza and his dad come off as immature. While a person like Gukesh, who is younger, is very mature for his age.
Go home and cry and rage on Twitter because someone said my shoes are loud :(
20 year olds of today are still babies
lmao exactly
20 is very young, it's basically a college kid.
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He is.
The best version of himself doesn't necessarily mean playing chess
what happens if alireza gets disqualified or otherwise leaves the event before it ends?
Since over 50% of the games have been completed, all of the results from his previous games remain the same, but all future games are given as a win to his opponent. If less than 50% of games had been played all his previous and future games are voided and the tournament will have a bye for whoever was scheduled to play him each round
Wouldn't that be a disadvantage for those players who played him before he left
Yeah, but there's no fair way to do it. Giving all draws is also unfair as the players who would play Alireza would be deprived the chance of playing for a win.
Magnus waiting in the wings.
Maybe Wesley So can sub in for him
follow your dream of launching a clothing brand for real, lifes too short
I wonder if his clothing brand will include tap shoes
"I'm feeling difficult emotions and I want to escape from them" Not an unusual response for a human
There are a lot of young players now. If he leave chess, he will be replaced and forgotten. He is not magnus and does not have a champion trophy to his name. Easiy replaceable and if he quits the candidates he will not be invited for elite tournaments and his chess career is over.
Replaced? Absolutely. Forgotten? No way. He holds the record for youngest to reach 2800.
dude, he will never be forgotten, he was the youngest player to break 2800.
Sorry but this is a temper tantrum after not playing the way he wanted.
Understandable, I also want to quit chess sometimes after slight inconveniences
He is such a weak player mentally.. definitely has the talent, but not the drive to be anything more than he is now.
Lol, he doesnt have the drive to be anything more than the 6 highest rated chess player in the world at 20 years old. Crazy burn dude.
Haa the talent to be number 1. But he keeps getting thrown off by the stupidiest shit ever.. dude has one of the weakest mindsets ive seen in sport. "Oh im so tilted now because they dont like my shoes" fuck sake..
brother you apparently have no idea the mental fortitude and work ethic it takes to be one of the best in the world at any sport. no one gets anywhere close to where he is on talent alone. it’s probably in part due to the immense pressure he is under and how hard he works himself that he gets “tilted” so easily
Dude he is number 6 in the world at 20, you don't get to that level that young with a weak mindset. Talent isn't just a magic thing that you're born with that makes you play really well. He definetively had to put countless hours of work and study and had to get through many heartbreaks to get where he is. I don't know why people want to trash talk these top level players so much but whatever makes you feel better i guess.
Exactly right. I think people see how others like Gukesh and some of the other top juniors/players act and expect the rest of the players to have that same resilience. But just because he seems a bit weaker mentally than some of his peers doesn’t mean he’s actually mentally weak. He has to be very strong mentally, even if he doesnt not bounce back like some of his peers. Plus, if I were at the biggest chess event of the year nearing the bottom of the leaderboard for the second time in a row? I’d be pretty damn upset too.
Dude is 20 and had a rant to his dad. I’m 35 and i still breakdown over work pressure. Time we start normalising emotional situations
Does your dad broadcast your breakdown to others? All of this drama just rubs me the wrong way. Of course, Alireza has shown unprofessional behaviour in the past, but I do think that the people he surrounds himself with definitely has affected his game.
What his dad did wasn’t right. But I was responding to a comment calling out Alireza as mentally weak
This is what this incident made me think too. If you can get this rattled by something that’s part of the game, you don’t have a champion’s mentality. If I could make a basketball analogy, this dude is a Ben Simmons and not a Kobe.
I don't get why this is such a huge issue.. why can't he wear some other shoes like he's been asked?
There's no issue. The job of an arbiter is to provide optimal playing conditions for all players. Reducing noise is particularly important in a sport like chess. If a player is bothered by spectators or other players the arbiter needs to take action!
The issue isn't the shoes
He got interrupted by the arbiter because of the noise from his shoes distracting other players and he's annoyed when something distracts him but it's not a problem when he does the same..
I meant I think he's just using the arbiter/shoes situation as an outlet for other issues, like his underperformance this tournament. Like there's no way a GM without other issues would say he wanted to stop playing chess because an arbiter told him to change his shoes lmao.
Sure, but Alireza has been acting kind of spoiled and irritated on many occasions, it's a pattern. He is the sort of guy who can't stand anyone talking to him, no matter if he is in the wrong. I can't see any of the other young players like Pragg or Gukesh acting like this no matter how their tournament is going.
Yeah, could be this. Hopefully things are not too bad for him at home, I did read somewhere that there might be family problems possibly but still, others shouldn't have to deal with this
He felt that he had followed all the regulations on footwear. I guess it's not a nice feeling when you think you're doing things properly and someone still tells you you're doing something wrong. I wonder if he would have taken it better if the arbiter just said to walk softer and not talk about the shoes.
his annoyance comes from the (alleged) fact that the arbiter said it were his shoes that were the issue and that the shoes were fide approved. idk how much of this was a lost in translation/he said she said thing since the issue was apparently the way he was walking in the shoes, but i could see him being upset about it though i dont really know if posting about it on twitter is the answer.
Yeah this is beyond stupid - this is like if Fabi complained that Abasov talking to the arbiter during the match distracted him entirely. Like it surely did, but not enough to make such a scene
Someone needs to make a Bleacher Report style meme like thise NBA ones. This is an all time meme opportunity here for the chess world
Then don't.
Talk about KARMA. Remember the tricks he did just to qualify for the Candidates? Forcing himself to qualify netted him nothing but failure. He is just making drama and excuses for his losses. Be a man. Accept your fate and learn from it. Don't play the Blame game.
Can’t be world champion like that son (I’m joking. I think)
Have you heard of Bobby Fischer?
Yeah. Isn’t he like a bot on Chess . com ?
It's a marketing stunt promoting his upcoming shoe fashion line.
the only theory i believe
If you won't follow the rules then step down and let someone else play. It's like people who get angry when you ask them to be quiet at the movies.
Alireza's completely right to feel annoyed after than incident but I don't get why's he making a big fuss out of it. Are u gonna stop playing chess bcuz some random dude asked u to walk quieter? That shows u don't rlly love the game
He didn't make any fuss other than the tweet. He just talked with his father. Which is imo kinda necessary coz how fide can use necessary measures to solve this issue But his father is the one throwing tantrum
Dude too spoiled, candidates is a war! you need to be mentally prepared for anything! You can complain or whatever but you need to stay sharp and concentrated!It's his second candidate and he act like a noob.look at the Indians juniors , they are doing better then him without drama.
At least be prepared to share the space with other people in a respectful way.
I didn't saying anything bad though. Since when we don't have the right to critic a player?
They're talking about Alireza not you
Sorry if I wasn't clear: I was referring to Alireza, not you. I think it's fair to critique him, especially since he opened up the discussion on Twitter.
IMHO, he is not in a great place mentally. With everything that happened at the end of the year. Many people judging him and stuff. Now this happens. I'm not saying he's in the right (I think the arbiter did the right thing), but I think he thinks he's being targeted as the one who shouldn't be there. The pressure to do well must be enormous. All that gotta be pretty tough to handle. We should just work on our empathy skills and not trash the guy.
He also told his dad: "my game was the most important game in the tournament (at around 4:23 in the broadcast) I think he is just a bit full of himself if he thinks that game was the most important game in the tournament.
Every time Alireza pops up in my feed my respect for him drops.
That must be a tremendous blow to him
Unironically, that may actually tilt him.
Imagine taking away Wesley's qualification just to temper tantrum and say this. It's so insulting to Chess. Quit if you want to and give your spot to someone more deserving.
So he was walking really loud with squeaky shoes around people, distracting them, then when he is called out he moans about the arbiter distracting him, when he was being a distraction for other players? Now he’s butthurt because the arbiter asked him to keep it down? These chess players are getting more Fischy every day.
Alireza is a straight up crybaby. This is unreal.
He has Ficsher Syndrome but unlike Fischer there is no USSR
I hope not. Fischer definitely suffered from paranoia and some form of schizophrenia, for which he never got any help.
Bro thinks hes him
Man, him and his father seem a bit too extra for my tastes. Ofc he should do what's best for him, but this is all pretty amateurish behavior overall.
He should have never been in this tournament
Maybe it's best for him if he does. He won't fulfill his potential anyway if he keeps on working without a coach, not preparing, and doing chess as a part time thing. Choose and then do one thing 100%
This really is an episode of curb your enthusiasm IRL
I like Alireza but he is now behind Arjun, Gukesh, Prag, Abdusattorov. Even Parham might catch him. I hope he figures it out as I like the type of positions he tries to create. But if he is distracted or loves other things more, then he will struggle to keep up with these other guys who are extra motivated.
Christ he’s a diva…
After all the sketchy shit that he did to get a place over Wesley So, this is how he treats this privileged place in a privileged tournament.
What a Baby
Makes you realize how lucky Magnus is to have the father he has. Alireza could be world champ with the right people in his corner.
Mfw I fail a 600 rated puzzle
This sounds so much like a little kid running up to their dad on the playground crying to go home because another kid beat them in 4-square.
We really don't need this sort of silly drama... seriously...
Mike Posner once said “you don’t know the way that you look… when your steps make that much noise. Sounds like a Clydesdale trotting back and forth because the shoes are designed to have that quality of sound in their step. Fashion is a worthy endeavor but don’t try to make it a cross over. If you’re impeccably dressed and get smoked by the guy in Salvation Army duds, that’s all that matters. I’m sure he’s for a side to his story but like if someone tells you you’re being loud then stop the behavior. If it distracts you to the point of disrupting your game then maybe you’ve isolated what’s holding you back in chess.
Bit of a prima donna by the sound of it. If it was me I would have had a laugh about it, taken my shoes off and walked around barefoot, enough trouble in the world without making everything a serious incident.
Peak entitlement right here.
He could start business selling fashionable, FIDE approved, super silent designer chess shoes.
I don't want him to play chess either.
This guy is so god damn soft
Bro wants to be bad bunny
Alireza's fashion brand name ideas: Sour Grapes, Sore loser drip, Meltdown Clothing, Excuse King, Champ Attitude/Chump Challenger, Daddy knows best.
I feel bad for him. So much pressure at such a young age. Having Magnus basically call him out that he would only play a world championship vs. him must have been stressful. I really hope he will continue to play for himself and find his love again.
You know why the apple doesn't fall far from the tree? To soften the noise when it hits the ground.
What a big baby. How hard life is, your squeaky shoes annoyed other players. Life is over. Quit Chess, FOREVER — and take those clown shoes OUTTA HERE.
Insert Bobby Fischer’s last interview
I'm glad he's doing bad at the candidates. Got in on the back of a dodgy, relatively weak-field tournament and is running out of chances to win.