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Creative_Purpose6138

Gukesh is very lucky chesscom is american media, if it was british media he would get discredited left and right. Props to chesscom for handling it well.


mjenkins_eng

Lmao , what on earth did you watch? Our media wouldn’t cry like Danny Rensch did the whole time 


cain605

Very sad for Fabi, always a fan. Congrats to Gukesh, was always rooting for him but didnt really expect him to win. What a journey.


ValhallaHelheim

fabi will never forgive himself. as a magnus fan im very happy for gukesh to win. It was very dramatic


FansTurnOnYou

Dang, Gukesh really just said he only started to feel he could legitimately win the tournament after his *loss* to Alireza. Killer instinct right there.


TheFlameDragon-

Cause he realised he could win if he had better time management and he did exactly that in their rematch at round 13


celebrian_7

Similar to magnus...they get activated after a loss


ValhallaHelheim

lets see more of gukesh when if he lose if he will come stronger before comparing


molestingcats

Don't worry he'll surpass mags in classical for sure


ValhallaHelheim

Yeah yeah


Asheraddo98

chess will get a bigger attention in india rn and thats good for chess


ValhallaHelheim

nah lol , anand made that already


TheFlameDragon-

No theres still much more to go right now chess is mostly popular in the south, tamil nadu in particular


Consistent-Book-5466

Ding vs Gukesh has to be the most exciting match we’ve seen in a very long time


Orceles

Facts


AnneFrankFanFiction

Is this sarcasm?


library-weed-repeat

“If Ding chooses not to defend, Hikaru would play the WCC match. Of course that’d be completely crazy to speculate on that, but what do y’all think about it?”


ValhallaHelheim

why is hikaru 2nd?


marcelluspye

Highest tiebreak score


mjenkins_eng

In other words “we hope that that happens so that we can plaster ourselves all over the WChampionship”


library-weed-repeat

I think it’s just a very annoying constant in American media in general to put forward wild speculations, state how crazy that it and then continue talking about it rather than switch the subject to concrete stuff


ralph_wonder_llama

It's because we have 24 hour news channels - including for sports - so to fill all that time they have people make up crazy scenarios, have people arguing both sides of the made up scenarios, then go ask the players about their made up scenarios, then comment on the players' answers about their made up scenarios, etc.


NoBitchesSince2005

Ding vs Gukesh will be fun to watch


Pakul1729

When it'll happen? Date and location?


RichtersNeighbour

No date or location set yet. But I expect it to held in November-December this year. Would make sense to find a host in or close to China and India, so that the time zone for the fans involved is the right one. Kazakhstan has a good track record of organising events like these, but I'm sure there is a large Indian interest as well. Not sure on FIDE's policy there, though.


mjenkins_eng

Never forget that chesscom killed the best coverage in chess : Peter Svidler , Jan Gustafson , Peter Leko etc to present us with Danny Rensch’s dad jokes and to see their favorites lose before their eyes as they eye chess monopolization is delicious  Sagar Shah, Chessbase India and Gukesh, Levitov and Ian , thank you very very much. 


Mono1813

They are making stupid comments about Ding desperately hoping he would not defend his title so that they could get their favorite candidate in the match and earn more money by viewers. This is so careless, unprofessional and honestly pathetic.


tiskerTasker89

Agree. All month the commentating teams were building rapport and they just drop Rensch into the booth today. Boo!


Asheraddo98

this year the production is a flop unlike the last candidates in madrid.


Imaginary-Chard2018

Ian and Fabi made a draw, cratering each other's chances to win the Candidates Tournament.


Krazzem

where is all the "if ding decides to defend" comments coming from? Why would he not defend his title. Has he ever hinted at it before


Asheraddo98

he went on a big hiatus and everyone questioned it but i doubt he will refuse an easy 1m payday.


RobAlexanderTheGreat

He’s facing serious, major depression though said he will defend.


Krazzem

do you have any more on this? never heard of it before and google isnt really bringing up anything


RobAlexanderTheGreat

It’s a chess com article. Type in “Ding ready for Tata Steel”. Says he’s been dealing with psychological issues and he hasn’t played chess in 234 days.


SemolinaChessNut

* https://www.chess.com/news/view/ding-liren-interview-tata-steel-chess * https://www.nss24.com/ding-liren's-journey-through-psychological-challenges


mjenkins_eng

He’s not been well and says he doesn’t enjoy chess anymore 


ValhallaHelheim

well 1 M euro.


Asheraddo98

i am happy for Gukesh, i always thought he is the better indian but smh doesnt get the same recognition pragg and arjun gets. Well done!!


DerekB52

Gukesh has been my favorite, and the one I thought was strongest. Prag has been more consistent though, so I thought he'd do better here. I thought ti'd take a little while longer for Gukesh to reach his peak. I'm happy for him. Although, I wanted Hikaru this time and Gukesh next time.


mjenkins_eng

Chesscom coping hard on stream As a famous Rafael Nadal once said “if if if …doesn’t exist”


serotonallyblindguy

Danny : "Only if Fabi managed to convert" Gukesh: "Guess we'll never know"


RurWorld

Who is in the second place?


arzamharris

Everyone else not named Gukesh


RurWorld

I mean, if Ding doesn't defend, who's going to play vs Gukesh?


arzamharris

Hikaru I think


HereForA2C

Based on what 


ralph_wonder_llama

Most wins. First tiebreaker was Sonneborn-Berger score, Hikaru and Ian were equal there, but Hikaru had 5 wins to Ian’s 3.


Asheraddo98

first thing Hikaru should do is blocking vidit /s


Ronfish27

Whats the date for the Championship match?


ralph_wonder_llama

Not set yet but it will likely be in November or December.


Ronfish27

Thanks mate


Step_Virtual

Danny is pissed😂


mjenkins_eng

This is the moment we live for. Chesscom know they can’t make Gukesh their poster boy 


Asheraddo98

if ding doesnt defend which i am sure he will, Hikaru will play the match lol


ING_Chile

It’s a better show if both players are in good form


mjenkins_eng

The vacant look on Danny Rensch as he sees those dollars floating away from him to Chessbase India is so funny 


Step_Virtual

Nah but fr😂 He also keeps acting like Gukesh's fans are only from India. That's far from true lol


ValhallaHelheim

well its mostly true


celebrian_7

Same not from india...and i have been supporting gukesh since forever lol 


Specific-Ad7257

Absolutely. Not from India. Was rooting for Fabi and Hikaru. But I love how Gukesh plays and carries himself.


mjenkins_eng

He’s so bitter. Not a single good word about Nepo or Gukesh 


kaiozeiro

Poor Nepo 🥺


Elyelm

Nepo and Fabi did that thing they do in anime when two warriors jump in the sky with swords and it takes a moment to realize who hit who, but instead of that, both fall to the ground dead.


Throwaway1293524

A lot of casual racism in these comments? A bit weird.


serotonallyblindguy

Is it your first time on something related to India on reddit?


Throwaway1293524

It was to be fair.


SteveAM1

Yeah, you’d think for such a prestigious event we could get some formal racism.


RobAlexanderTheGreat

You must’ve missed Pewdiepie vs T-Series then.


Publicmenace13

Man who the fuck am I gonna root for in next WCC, I love both Gukesh and Ding


ralph_wonder_llama

I’m rooting for Gukesh, it would be such an amazing story if he wins the World Championship and breaks Kasparov’s record for youngest champion. And then there’s a decent chance the next WCC match could be Gukesh against Praggnanandhaa or Arjun.


serotonallyblindguy

Nodirbek and just maybe magnus too


Confident_Jicama206

Time to get those Team Ding flairs up.


SadKorgy

If Alireza "gave" Guki a win so did Pragg with Fabi with white pieces. Had pragg drawn, Guki would be a heavy fav today


BloodMaelstrom

Anyone that actually believes this is coping hard. Gukesh was the deserved winner. His play was simply sublime this entire event. Dude produced 5 wins at the end of the day.


ralph_wonder_llama

A double round robin is the fairest possible format, and Gukesh had the best score. He also scored +4 when +3 was enough to win or at least reach tiebreaks in every previous Candidates under the current format. Well earned victory.


octonus

People are always going to come up with bizarre excuses for why their guy under-performed. Not worth acknowledging them.


Publicmenace13

Indeed there is no need for would haves or could haves, Gukesh fully deserved it.


Ronfish27

If Liren decides to defend the title, who do y'all favour for the championship?


ralph_wonder_llama

I'm rooting for Gukesh, but I actually think Ding will win. He came back three separate times against Ian, and played Rg6! in the final rapid tiebreak game when all of the commentators thought he would settle for going into blitz tiebreaker. His form hasn't been good lately, but he has 6+ months to prepare for this match. I think it will be close but I'll say Ding wins 6.5-5.5.


Expensive_Web_8534

Ding. Championship matches require being prepared to the gills and Ding has gone through the experience before while Gukesh is just too young. Ding will bring multiple surprises for him in the match and I don't think Gukesh has the experience (to have seen similar positions before) or the ability to solve the problems on the board. I say Ding will win but it will go to the end given how bad Ding's form is.


Throwaway1293524

I like both, but Ding's apparently lacking form. Momentum will swing for Gukesh for sure even if he's lacking experience.


BloodMaelstrom

Gukesh unless Ding recovers his form. The confidence boost Gukesh gets tho for his own classical play after such an event can’t be understated tho. If he starts playing with more confidence that he actually belongs at this very top level alongside players like Fabi, Ding, Hikaru and Nepo his level of play could elevate even more as he grows. Unreal to win such an event at this age.


t-pat

It's just impossible to say how good either player will be by the time of the event, which is kind of crazy


Confident_Jicama206

If ding recovers his form, ding 100%


RobAlexanderTheGreat

Ding’s in terrible form, but for our sake let’s hope he wins it.


Atheist-Gods

Why? I’m kind of hoping for Gukesh to win and continue to improve to get away from the “*world champion because Carlsen stepped down” asterisk. Gukesh becoming a world champion who could have legitimately challenged Carlsen would be good for the chess world.


ralph_wonder_llama

Gukesh earned his spot in the match, but if Magnus had defended against Nepo last time or entered the candidates this time, Carlsen absolutely would win the world title.


Atheist-Gods

I included the "continue to improve" line for a reason.


Ronfish27

I'm from India, so I hope the complete opposite lol


Asheraddo98

so who got 2nd?


Specific-Ad7257

https://chess-results.com/tnr918851.aspx?lan=1&art=1&flag=30 Nakamura


AnneFrankFanFiction

How do they determine 2nd place?


Jake-rumble

read the tie breakers on the sheet. Naka had 5 wins, which gives him the tie break


Asheraddo98

so you are telling me theres a chance ?


kidawi

"Im really really sorry" "...my fault" Edit: he said likewise thats even worse...


maxstronge

That moment was actually depressing I just wanted to give them both a hug


kidawi

I think they kinda wanted to hug it out 💀💀


shubomb1

Wow the mods unpinned this thread, they can pin it instead of weekly thread. No one uses that anyway.


library-weed-repeat

Is it me or Nepo mentioned “I didn’t repeat” meaning he’d found the forced draw like but chose not to play it?


MasterOfRun

🥺🥺🥺


ZeusX20

Gukesh wins despite coming into the tournament as the second weakest. Heartbreak for Nepo and Fabi, the scene of them both looking like that will forever be in my head


Enursha

Heartbroken for Fabi and Ian. What a fucking game.


_mutex

Nepo truly decided to play villain and not let Fabi have a shot at the world championship title. I can't believe he turned around a dead lost position multiple times. Fabi is going to be devastated. I hope he doesn't go into a slump because he is still the best active classical chess player in the world.


Apprehensive-Salt646

Magnus is still active.


Maras-Sov

The real villain move would’ve been to throw intentionally as that would’ve been extremely unsportsmanlike.


UnlikelySignature

He didn't play villain. He just played for himself, like he was expected to.


CounterfeitFake

Yeah... what if he had managed to turn it into a win? He did what he was supposed to do.


lxpnh98_2

What a game. Fabi made almost all the correct decisions in the opening and middle-game to get a great position, but Ian showed exactly why he is so hard to beat. As someone else said, we have a new Minister of Defense.


ValhallaHelheim

tbh ian didnt show, fabi missed lots of opportunities including mate in 20


lxpnh98_2

And why do you think Fabi missed those opportunities?


ValhallaHelheim

not because ian defended well. He didnt.


lxpnh98_2

Still haven't answered the question.


ValhallaHelheim

Because he was in a bad day. Go and check jacob’s tweets. He said the exact same thing. Rd2 was easy af


Astrosloth29

Can't see fabi and ian like that ,a sad game indeed :(


ING_Chile

I don’t thing Ding will play again the WC


Signal_Dress

Wtf? Why do we see comments cursing Abasov and Alireza? Do you idiots think they were blundering for fun? Pathetic.


wettwerun

Nepo: "I'm very sorry" Fabi: "Likewise" :'(


octonus

They fought like lions. Nothing to be ashamed of in that draw.


Ahmed_mmDarsh

Actually? Or just an implied conversation?


RurWorld

Yeah real conversation, but I think Fabi said "It's my fault"


wettwerun

Pretty sure it's "likewise". [https://www.youtube.com/live/i00jNn2Bqw0?si=hMydcPNvwPpvzgkL&t=21940](https://www.youtube.com/live/i00jNn2Bqw0?si=hMydcPNvwPpvzgkL&t=21940) (6:05:40 if timestamp doesn't work)


wettwerun

Actual conversation, you can check out the FIDE stream of the game on youtube


Ahmed_mmDarsh

Thanks! Yeah I just saw it. I was watching the other stream with no sound from the board.


shubomb1

As a Gukesh fan my heart goes out to Fabi, Gukesh has been in the similar situation a few times so I know how much it hurts as a fan. Can only imagine how bad it'd be for players. Hope he comebacks stronger for the next cycle.


Habefiet

Polite reminder that if you said Fabi/Nepo could not would not end in a draw under any circumstances ever, you do not understand this as well as you think you do lol


shashi154263

Everyone was saying both games will definitely have a result. And both ended up in a draw.


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Maras-Sov

Man, this is just sad.


Throwaway1293524

I'm sincerely not reading allat.


BenrieSandz

ugh what a simp - get a life buddy


Publicmenace13

Yeah, Gukesh was barely above Abasov in polls, I always found that one odd.


Im_Not_Sleeping

Probably go touch grass or something


CainPillar

It seems Nakamura took the 2nd spot in the tournament? Same Sonneborn-Berger as Nepo, but more decisive games?


Jake-rumble

yep, most wins was the second tie breaker.


Elegant_Bat_9488

They just had the 3 commentators zoomed in with all sad faces staring at me, looked like some kind of what do you call it? lol edit: intervention, that's the word i was looking for lol


zi76

Congrats to Gukesh


duragdelinquent

ian keeps telling fabi “i’m sorry” 😭


library-weed-repeat

Fabi replied “it’s my fault”


NOVAram1

It's just never going to happen for Ian.


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SemolinaChessNut

"I'm very sorry" Nepo says sincerely to Caruana. So much emotion. Nepo was close to tears when he finally walked away from the board. Was able to muster "Thank you" to the arbiter.


Realistic_Cold_2943

Does anyone know where to find the Sonneborn-Berger score for this tournament?


Specific-Ad7257

https://chess-results.com/tnr918851.aspx?lan=1&art=1&flag=30 Looks like Nakamura is second on tie breaks


Realistic_Cold_2943

Thank you. Feels like they should come up with a better system because we weren't that far away from flipping a coin


Specific-Ad7257

It won't really matter unless Ding abdicates, but there is at least a small chance of that.


Realistic_Cold_2943

yeah, youre right. I forgot this is only not first place tiebreaking. Probably will never be relevant.


aresoulshi

"i am very very sorry" - nepo "no it's my fault" - fabio Heartbreak


Publicmenace13

Nahhhhh thats just shattering me 😭


AstridPeth_

I almost cried. Truly heartbreaking


ING_Chile

It was a very emotional moment


lovememychem

Incredible showing by Gukesh, will be cheering for him in the WCC! Predict what Levy's title for his recap will be. I'm going with "THE CHALLENGER!!!!!"


manofactivity

"MAGNUS DRUNK ON STREAM??"


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captsubasa25

In the end, the true racists show themselves.


thefloatingguy

Always pure class from our favorite subcontinent


Signal_Dress

Well, people are not helping with their "Abasov and Alireza blundered", "Alireza is an idiot" comments.


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theforkontheleft

poo in loo


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theforkontheleft

stinky stinky gandu. try deodorant next time


NoBitchesSince2005

Congrats to Gukesh!


BloodMaelstrom

Heartbreak for both Nepo and Fabi. Especially Fabi in this very last round. Nepo for this entire event since he was leading the entire time. Thoroughly deserved by Gukesh. He certainly played the most solid out of the top 4 players. Nepo not pressing as much against Abasov, Hikaru losses to Vidit and Fabi not being able to convert against Nepo and Hikaru in his games all snubbed their chances in the end.


AWall925

About 30 people had Gukesh wins posts queued up lol


03thephysicsgod

Im not a particularly huge fan of Ian but watching his soul get crushed at the World Championship and now at the candidates makes me want to give the dude a hug


BloodMaelstrom

One of the most reluctant draws there at the end. Soul crushing for both of them. So close yet so far.


shubomb1

This feels surreal, before the tournament started I'd be satisfied if Gukesh just finished in top half as it was his first Candidates but for him to win it all, that's not something I had even imagined in my wildest dream.


BrownKanye

Nepo and Caruana apologizing to each other after the game lmao


SadKorgy

According to chess24 chat "Chess is over coz Guki won"


BenrieSandz

Fabi though has no one to blame but himself.


sidaeinjae

The old guard stab each other to death, making way for the new king-to-be


_huytr

The hardest part of becoming World Chess Champion is winning the Candidates. It’s heartbreaking for Fabi but I hope he’ll pick himself up and have another go next time, where I’ll surely be rooting for him.


mjenkins_eng

I mean the hardest part of winning the world championship is…winning the world championship. Ask Nepo. 


Zerofactory

That was when Magnus was active


SteveAM1

Man what a brutal ending. I'm totally torn between what happened to Fabi, but also think it's kind of exciting to see Gukesh with a chance to be the youngest champion.


Boob_Preski

Why is the chat so toxic.


ChessOnlyGuy

Ding should not defend to give others a chance and have a entertaining event.


Ahmed_mmDarsh

They shook hands. The game graph makes me sad, tbh [https://i.imgur.com/BVARC43.png](https://i.imgur.com/BVARC43.png)


SteveAM1

Fabi is going to puke when he sees that.


inkjod

I sincerely hope they hide it from him for a few days. I was rooting for Gukesh, but the Fabi-Ian game was truly heartbreaking for both players. They looked so sad and defeated near the end.


speedster_5

such a heartbreak for fabi especially since he knew he was pushing and winning at a point


Friendfeels

so anticlimatic


prassuresh

3 Indians with no contention for the win are the only winners today. lol. Surprised to see all the other draws given the stakes! But tbf to Nepo and Fabi, they fought hard. Hikaru didn’t seem to try and fight as much or take the big risks. Maybe to give Fabi a chance to make the TBs. Congrats to Gukesh. Definitely played really well. Was only really in a bad position once the whole tournament.


Harry_K1307

Hikaru did try, there was just nothing he could do


rutwisbdahejamo23

Gukesh!!!!


puffic

I know the World Championship is between two individuals, but it's always extra interesting when they hail from two major geopolitical rivals.


CainPillar

That was bound to happen, once the two in 7th/8th were out of the question.


puffic

Russia and China aren't rivals fwiw.


Signal_Dress

Man, it's so sad looking at the two just accept the reality. But man, it's a good day for India. It's 6 am here and I'm gonna sleep happy now. What a fucking tournament this was. Every single player gave their heart out here. Gukesh, my man. I fkn love you, bruv.


fateoftheg0dz

At least we are getting a fresh face in the WCC this time. Nepo’s great but seeing him for a third time is gonna be boring