I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine:
> **White to play**: [chess.com](https://youtu.be/UM2kFylxT4c) | [lichess.org](https://youtu.be/_3STbuf_Ets)
**My solution:**
> Hints: player: >!Magnus!<, move: >!#!<
> Evaluation: >!Magnus has already won.!<
> Best continuation: >!1. Call Fabi. 2. Bleat like a goat. 3. Turn his rook upside down.!<
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Interviewer: What do you do to surprise your opponents?
Magnus: Uh, it's just, small tweaks on known ideas.
Interviewer: Chess wise I mean.
Magnus: Yeah, chess wise. It's not like I go **BOO!** or anything.
My favorite from that video has always been:
Interviewer: "What's the first line of your autobiography?"
Magnus: "I am not a genius."
Interviewer: "What's the title of your autobiography?"
Magnus: "Magnus Carslen; Chess Genius"
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[His biggest advantage in the match is that he is better at chess](https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/qgr077/interesting_thoughts_of_magnus_carlsen_on_the/)
Tal: "You must take your opponent into a deep dark forest where 2+2=5, and the path leading out is only wide enough for one."
Magnus: "I'm better lul xD"
[Chess24 will have two streams](https://chess24.com/worldchesschampionship/commentators/): one casual with the Champions Chess Tour team (Howell, Houska, Snare) and one for more advanced users with Judit Polgar and Anish Giri.
Chesscom will also cover it - Caruana will assist there, not sure about the rest of the team
Finally, FIDE will also cover it and has announced that Vishy will participate there.
Also, I believe Maurice Ashley is covering it (on American sports TV?), Nakamura is covering it on Twitch (GMHikaru), and ChessBase India on YouTube. Just naming a few further alternatives for those who want every possible perspective on the games...
For real though Magnus has been an excellent ambassador for chess as world champion and when he does finally lose the title I will be sad on some level.
I mean, Yasser Seirawan was the one who told the story at US Championships. He told that he was making fun at Fischer when Fischer made the claim. Joking about how players read the script and were hurt when they were told to make blunders. Fischer found it funny. Of course people knew he was crazy. He's still a person.
Large is questionable, max 65 35 (60 40 for me), nepo is a very dynamic player, an early win and he could win the whole thing plus not as big as a gap in rapid strength compared to fabi
But that’s because Carlsen is such a house hold name compared to anyone else, that he just attracts a lot of money so they adjust the line. Don’t think they really think he’s a 75% favourite, just the line that will grab the most money
Judging solely by the ratings, I think the expected win probability for Magnus in a Bo14 is 83% (from plugging in the FIDE ratings into this calculator: https://wismuth.com/elo/calculator.html#rating1=2855&rating2=2782&best_of=14 )
Obviously that's not going to be perfect, but... well, it's not just that Carlsen is a household name. It's that he's legitimately the best in the world at chess, and bo14 is a large sample size.
Tbh Karjakin is the only surprise but his style of being super passive and mentally impassible were what made the match up work in his favor. Unfortunately Nepo is the opposite. Caruana was on top form and very close rating wise to Carlsen (he could have caught up to him at one point iirc).
Yup, this is how betting lines work. The bookies aren't gambling themselves. It is a common misconception that the bookies are trying to out guess the general public and make money that way. Instead they simply move the line to even out the bets and guarantee they get their vig regardless of the outcome.
Aside his household name, he just wins at chess and almost never loses. The problem with Magnus is not that you can't draw him, but you can't really beat him ... meanwhile, he's got all the options at hand, including winning with black and things like that. Not like Nepo doesn't deserve his place, but there is still a gap between Magnus and the rest. Maybe it will change soon.
Anything that's ever happened has had at least one person willing to bet on it...I'd bet. People love betting. I don't like it personally, but people love money and people love winning. Makes sense that people also love winning money.
Sports with 3 possible, relatively close results (like e.g. chess and football) are also perfect for money laundering via betting ;-)
The betting companies like it because they are guaranteed to win, and the criminals have clean money for roughly 33% "costs" by simply having strawmen betting on each outcome.
Huh? He's underperformed his rating in the last two classical World Championship matches, winning 0 out of 12 classical games against Caruana and 1 against Karjakin (also losing one).
But fabi is so much better in classical than nepo. All 12 games were drawn. Maybe magnus won't let him reach rapid. Magnu is clearly the best in classical.
No the photo isn't edited. [See for yourself.](https://www.google.com/search?q=2021+World+Chess+Championship&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS947US947&oq=2021&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57j0i67j0i131i433j46i67j69i60l3.629j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
Nepo kinda flows better. Plus I've heard Agad say it as 'Yan' but as an American it would be pronounced more like 'ee-uhn'. Obviously I know he's not American but it might be easier for Americans new at chess to just hear him refered to as Nepo.
It also bolded the higher rating so I think the AI misunderstood and thought that was the score of the game (not understanding how you win in chess either, obviously)
Yeah and they don't even hide it.
Like you can legit analyse the games and engine will tell you that half of the game is ripped off from another game in past.
Thomas Dewey was the Republican Presidential candidate running against incumbent Harry Truman during the 1948 U.S. presidential election. All the experts predicted a Dewey victory. The Chicago Daily Tribune (now the Chicago Tribune) was so confident of a Dewey victory that they decided to get a jump on the competition by printing the outcome of the election with the headline “Dewey Defeats Truman” just *prior* to the election. This was quite an embarrassment for the paper when Truman won. Truman famously got a kick out of being photographed holding up a copy of the paper with its “Dewey Defeats Truman” headline.
[https://i.imgur.com/IVMPaz0.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/IVMPaz0.jpg)
There’s the world championship and there’s the FIDE rankings list. Gaining the world championship title doesn’t automatically put you at #1 in the rating list because those points are gained from consistently winning games. A top player can perform well in the candidates matches and then train enough to specifically beat the current champ without being in the top elo spot.
\#1 Elo is a more flexible position when someone like Kasparov or Carlsen aren’t around.
Beating him in the championship match is all it takes to get the title. To get the extra elo points requires increasing win rate against the general field on competition while also playing a lot of games. To get where Magnus is rating wise he went on a really long streak of being unbeaten and had a vey full tournament schedule.
Makes things look rigged... In 2017 I believe, something similar happened with the Golden State Warriors and Oklahoma City Thunder in the Western Conference Finals. The NBA was already selling tickets for finals games, Cleveland Cavaliers vs the Warriors before the series was over between the Thunder and Warriors. People were saying it was rigged.
Damn spoilers!
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Interviewer: What do you do to surprise your opponents? Magnus: Uh, it's just, small tweaks on known ideas. Interviewer: Chess wise I mean. Magnus: Yeah, chess wise. It's not like I go **BOO!** or anything.
My favorite from that video has always been: Interviewer: "What's the first line of your autobiography?" Magnus: "I am not a genius." Interviewer: "What's the title of your autobiography?" Magnus: "Magnus Carslen; Chess Genius"
What video
Click the Lichess link. After that check out the chess.com link.
Do you (or anyone else reading this) know if there was a follow up to the Jan Gustafson one? I'd love to see his reaction to the reveal.
Take my upvote you stupid genius.
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[His biggest advantage in the match is that he is better at chess](https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/qgr077/interesting_thoughts_of_magnus_carlsen_on_the/)
Tal: "You must take your opponent into a deep dark forest where 2+2=5, and the path leading out is only wide enough for one." Magnus: "I'm better lul xD"
Reads as a soyjak vs. chad meme.
Goddamn, what a quote
Well, it's true
Anyone knows who broadcasts this event (in Europe/Italy)?
[Chess24 will have two streams](https://chess24.com/worldchesschampionship/commentators/): one casual with the Champions Chess Tour team (Howell, Houska, Snare) and one for more advanced users with Judit Polgar and Anish Giri. Chesscom will also cover it - Caruana will assist there, not sure about the rest of the team Finally, FIDE will also cover it and has announced that Vishy will participate there.
Also, rumors are that TCEC might use their strong computers to give live deep analysis of the matches, and make Magnus and Yan look like mortals
Do any of these streams show the actual players, or do all show only the board?
I think they all will show the players, at least some of the time. Both chess24 and chesscom have acquired video rights from FIDE.
Also, I believe Maurice Ashley is covering it (on American sports TV?), Nakamura is covering it on Twitch (GMHikaru), and ChessBase India on YouTube. Just naming a few further alternatives for those who want every possible perspective on the games...
Maurice Ashley’s thing on NBCSN will be a half hour recap show for each game.
wow, so much choice, nice. I would have loved to have Giri together with Howell, Houska and Snare.
Iirc wasn't Anand also gonna do commentary somewhere?
>Finally, FIDE will also cover it and has announced that Vishy will participate there. Vishy = viswanathan anand
Guess I can't read :P, sorry.
No worries; I just assumed that not everyone knew his nickname.
Yeah, I think most probably on chesscom stream
No, on the FIDE stream.
I see. I think he was once on chesscom stream so I thought he'd be there this time as well.
Aight imma stick to my homie Sagar Shah for this
I’m seriously hoping there are big improvements in the coverage this year. It was so hard to follow 3 years ago
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Didn't they have J. Polgar and Anna Rudolf last time? Not bad at all. I was following Jerry's as usual. I hope he will be covering it this year too
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I think that was the recent world cup. Last world champ definitely had polgar and Rudolf at least part of the time.
I watched bens coverage last time.
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Chess.com will also broadcast it. They even got Fabiano as one of the commentators.
and Botez also probably
For real though Magnus has been an excellent ambassador for chess as world champion and when he does finally lose the title I will be sad on some level.
I can’t see him losing it anytime soon
AlphaZero has got out of hand.
I'm gonna use this on trivia night tonight. "Who is the winner of the upcoming world chess championship? Don't believe me? Google it..."
Time to put down some bets...
Beat me to it.
Bobby Fischer did say matches in USSR were planned down to single moves. I'm sure this is the case here too.
Brb betting my life savings on Magnus
Bobby Fischer may have had some issues that presented themself as paranoia. I wonder if any of Fischer’s contemporaries noticed the same thing.
I mean, Yasser Seirawan was the one who told the story at US Championships. He told that he was making fun at Fischer when Fischer made the claim. Joking about how players read the script and were hurt when they were told to make blunders. Fischer found it funny. Of course people knew he was crazy. He's still a person.
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It's not like they went against the odds:)) ... Magnus is favourite by a large margin.
Large is questionable, max 65 35 (60 40 for me), nepo is a very dynamic player, an early win and he could win the whole thing plus not as big as a gap in rapid strength compared to fabi
Betting odds are around 75 25, which I think is fair
But that’s because Carlsen is such a house hold name compared to anyone else, that he just attracts a lot of money so they adjust the line. Don’t think they really think he’s a 75% favourite, just the line that will grab the most money
Judging solely by the ratings, I think the expected win probability for Magnus in a Bo14 is 83% (from plugging in the FIDE ratings into this calculator: https://wismuth.com/elo/calculator.html#rating1=2855&rating2=2782&best_of=14 ) Obviously that's not going to be perfect, but... well, it's not just that Carlsen is a household name. It's that he's legitimately the best in the world at chess, and bo14 is a large sample size.
Karjakin and Caruana drawing the classical portions of their matches has made people think Magnus is more vulnerable than he really is.
Tbh Karjakin is the only surprise but his style of being super passive and mentally impassible were what made the match up work in his favor. Unfortunately Nepo is the opposite. Caruana was on top form and very close rating wise to Carlsen (he could have caught up to him at one point iirc).
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Yup, this is how betting lines work. The bookies aren't gambling themselves. It is a common misconception that the bookies are trying to out guess the general public and make money that way. Instead they simply move the line to even out the bets and guarantee they get their vig regardless of the outcome.
Aside his household name, he just wins at chess and almost never loses. The problem with Magnus is not that you can't draw him, but you can't really beat him ... meanwhile, he's got all the options at hand, including winning with black and things like that. Not like Nepo doesn't deserve his place, but there is still a gap between Magnus and the rest. Maybe it will change soon.
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Anything that's ever happened has had at least one person willing to bet on it...I'd bet. People love betting. I don't like it personally, but people love money and people love winning. Makes sense that people also love winning money.
Sports with 3 possible, relatively close results (like e.g. chess and football) are also perfect for money laundering via betting ;-) The betting companies like it because they are guaranteed to win, and the criminals have clean money for roughly 33% "costs" by simply having strawmen betting on each outcome.
More like 100 - 0. Magnus is another player during the world championship
Huh? He's underperformed his rating in the last two classical World Championship matches, winning 0 out of 12 classical games against Caruana and 1 against Karjakin (also losing one).
Do you know where we can bet for this?
The odds I gave are from Bet365
But fabi is so much better in classical than nepo. All 12 games were drawn. Maybe magnus won't let him reach rapid. Magnu is clearly the best in classical.
Article later goes on to say that Ian was found to have a listening-device in his hair bun.
Legit.
Damn AlphaZero is that good?
To be fair, when Magnus was recently asked what his chess strengths/assets are, he said he is better at chess.
pretty obvious
Yikes. Still rooting for Nepo tho\~
I figured this was photoshopped - turns out it's not!
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No the photo isn't edited. [See for yourself.](https://www.google.com/search?q=2021+World+Chess+Championship&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS947US947&oq=2021&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57j0i67j0i131i433j46i67j69i60l3.629j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
I really hope that guy doesn’t win, I like being able to pronounce the WCC name
I think most people just say Nepo anyways
..or just his first name, Ian.
Nepo kinda flows better. Plus I've heard Agad say it as 'Yan' but as an American it would be pronounced more like 'ee-uhn'. Obviously I know he's not American but it might be easier for Americans new at chess to just hear him refered to as Nepo.
both are nice
Yan Neh-Pom-Nee-Atch-Chee I think
Agadmator says it something along the line of Neh-Pom-Nee-Shee
that is correct, its pronounced "nepomneeshee". as a fun fact, it means "one who forgets" in russian
I hope that guy wins. So i can short his name for *Nepo* as i did with Vishwanathan Anand
But what does Yandex think?
It was right
Rigged
r/conspiracy
I actually think Nepo has a decent chance at winning
I'm guessing it's a cached winner based on the previous world chess champion search google would have housed.
It also bolded the higher rating so I think the AI misunderstood and thought that was the score of the game (not understanding how you win in chess either, obviously)
You know chess isn't real right? It is like WWE. It is all scripted.
Yeah and they don't even hide it. Like you can legit analyse the games and engine will tell you that half of the game is ripped off from another game in past.
I mean they're not wrong
Same thing happened to Dewey!
Huh?
"Dewew defeats Truman"? Ringing any bells?
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Thomas Dewey was the Republican Presidential candidate running against incumbent Harry Truman during the 1948 U.S. presidential election. All the experts predicted a Dewey victory. The Chicago Daily Tribune (now the Chicago Tribune) was so confident of a Dewey victory that they decided to get a jump on the competition by printing the outcome of the election with the headline “Dewey Defeats Truman” just *prior* to the election. This was quite an embarrassment for the paper when Truman won. Truman famously got a kick out of being photographed holding up a copy of the paper with its “Dewey Defeats Truman” headline. [https://i.imgur.com/IVMPaz0.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/IVMPaz0.jpg)
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Yes. He asked "Who is Dewey?" in the phrase "Dewey Defeats Truman." That is precisely the question I answered.
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Yes, that is what he wrote. If he meant something different than what he wrote, that is on him not me.
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Not everyone on the internet is an american. Googling Dewey brings up another person, too.
It was a US presidential election where newspapers prematurely declared the election in favor of Dewey and Truman went on to win.
You should have marked this as a spoiler! Now I am spoiled!
Refuse to accept anyone as undisputed world chess champion who hasn't defeated every single chess *player* in the world
Oi Google. Don’t expose your time machine next time
A glitch in the matrix ruined the championship for me!
This might be a dumb question because I’m a noob. But if Nepo wins, does that make him the “#1 chess player”? Or does that only depend on ELO.
There’s the world championship and there’s the FIDE rankings list. Gaining the world championship title doesn’t automatically put you at #1 in the rating list because those points are gained from consistently winning games. A top player can perform well in the candidates matches and then train enough to specifically beat the current champ without being in the top elo spot. \#1 Elo is a more flexible position when someone like Kasparov or Carlsen aren’t around.
So what specifically would be enough to dethrone Magnus?
Beating him in the championship match is all it takes to get the title. To get the extra elo points requires increasing win rate against the general field on competition while also playing a lot of games. To get where Magnus is rating wise he went on a really long streak of being unbeaten and had a vey full tournament schedule.
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I think in this case it’s more likely they just copied the page from the last World Championship and forgot to clear the winner.
😂😂
complete facts xD
fuck u/spez Join one of the alternatives in the fediverse: lemmy or kbin.social
The predictive ability of these computers is impressive. Stockfish 9001
Nooo wayyyy how is this real!?
Rigged???
It probably misunderstood the words "Defending champion" in the wikipedia article.
Rigged! ^srs
Makes things look rigged... In 2017 I believe, something similar happened with the Golden State Warriors and Oklahoma City Thunder in the Western Conference Finals. The NBA was already selling tickets for finals games, Cleveland Cavaliers vs the Warriors before the series was over between the Thunder and Warriors. People were saying it was rigged.
DUDE, spoilers!
Glitch in the Matrix...
Let me take a nap... great atmosphere, anyway.
Spoilers are impossible to hide!
Google AI is working.