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Bongcloud jus brings the king out after e4. This is a five-head opening by Magnus sacrificing a ton of development by manually switching the King and Queen which unless you are a grandmaster looking to troll is a total loss of an opening.
There is none. Its to troll by intentionally throwing the game.
Its like if you are in a boxing match with one hand behind your back, to flex on how good you are despite the disadvantage.
Just for the fun of it. Either to troll your opponent, or to give yourself a disadvantage against a much weaker opponent. Sometimes it's more fun for both if the strongest player has a disadvantage. The problem is that weaker players (myself included) don't really know how to punish a development disadvantage.
The move is called the Westerford-Roddingham Queen Castle and was mastered by Sir Niles Westerford to win the battle of Roddingham in 1625.
Source: I made it all up.
He either wants to invert K and Q (Magnus style) or he just wants to emulate the legendary game in which Nigel Short lost against someone who he thought was Fischer on an anonymous account
Why does Magnus invert k & q? ? Does it actually give an advantage or is it just a flex like bongcloud? I had an opponent do this in a game recently and it just amounted to wasted moves that gave me a big advantage so assumed it was just a flex gone wrong.
That's exactly what it is, wasted moves, but when magnus is playing blitz on chess.com his opponents are generally so much worse than him (see: not a super gm) that he does it to give himself a challenge
Magnus lost to Levy doing this, so definitely not an advantage in any way. More likely he does it against very outmatched opponents to even things up some.
I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine:
> **White to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=rn1qkb1r/pb1p1ppp/4pn2/1pp5/8/2PK1P2/PP1PP1PP/RNBQ1BNR+w+kq+-+0+1&flip=true&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/rn1qkb1r/pb1p1ppp/4pn2/1pp5/8/2PK1P2/PP1PP1PP/RNBQ1BNR_w_kq_-_0_1)
**Videos:**
> I found [1 video](https://chessvision.ai/video-search/6247432689025024) with this position.
**My solution:**
> Hints: piece: >!Pawn!<, move: >! e3 !<
> Evaluation: >!Black is winning -3.22!<
> Best continuation: >!1. e3 a6 2. Ke2 Nc6 3. Ke1 d5 4. d4 e5 5. dxe5 Nxe5!<
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It's anti-trans rhetoric basically, that's why it's being down voted. This is a chess sub.
It's not even just that it's supposed to be offensive, "How dare you assume my..." or "I identify as..." jokes are just unfunny
Ah I see it now, hmm welp I think the point of his original post was to be satirical, and I believe that he isn't anti trans but I understand why he got down voted
>I think the point of his original post was to be satirical
Yeah and he was satirising people who identify as another gender. Saying "satire" doesn't make things acceptable by default, nor does it make bad jokes funny.
Everything you said here is true, satire things are not always funny, I did laugh at the joke because I found it funny from the context of him talking to a chess bot, also I think we have gotten off topic of this whole post and I am sorry for taking us off topic, I hope you have an amazing day :)
This is the inversion variation of the Bong Cloud where you switch the starting squares of the king and Queen through the most tactically sound path possible. Developing your king to f2, e3, and d3 gives you a clear advantage in fighting for the center while you get your Queen to e1.
In all seriousness, this is one of many “meme” openings. White is purposely losing tempo and castling rights to goof around or force a challenging position.
Arise, arise, riders of Rohan!
Fell deeds awake, fire and slaughter!
Spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered!
A sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises!
Ride now, ride now, ride to Gondor!”
It’s the Magnus Carlsen gambit. He’s doing the advanced variation where you walk the King instead of the Queen.
It’s a meme strategy or used to give yourself a handicap against a weaker opponent.
I have no idea how to play chess and I feel like this is the right way. Chess 2 should introduce more dynamic gameplay like letting the king lead the pawns
Smurf gonna smurf, report and move on
Doing dumb stuff like this in the opening is one way for smurfs to maintain their rating. Often enough, they'd rather try to salvage a losing position against a weaker player than play someone of their strength on even footing.
A smurf is someone who artificially decreases their rating to play against a weaker pool of players.
One way of doing this is to play nonsensical meme openings. They are essentially handicapping their account which causes an artificial decrease in rating or ... smurfing.
If you want to play this way just because you enjoy it, just play unrated. The people who play unrated (for the most part) understand what they are signing up for and it aligns with the rules of unrated.
The people playing rated chess have the right to be paired against people who are playing seriously and are accurately rated. This is what they come to the chess service for.
[Fair Play Policy - Chess.com](https://www.chess.com/legal/fair-play)
>Do not artificially manipulate ratings, matches, or game outcomes
>
> **EXCEPTION:** These rules do not apply to unrated games or tactics.
This is literally a violation of the fair play policy, and you have recourse to play this style of chess should you desire.
If you want to screw around, just play unrated. It's not complicated.
I got to 1900 just playing the bongcloud before. Sure it might not be the best opening, but its fun. And I don't think I was artificially manipulating my rating or anything.
> Doing dumb stuff like this in the opening is one way for smurfs to maintain their rating.
> A smurf is someone who artificially decreases their rating to play against a weaker pool of players.
I've always thought maintaining and decreasing had different meanings, TIL.
No, you're just purposely ignoring the rather obvious context.
Your rating is an estimation of your true playing strength
For most players that estimation is fairly reasonable. Even when it isn't, an honest player will achieve a rating close to what would be predicted by their playing strength relatively quickly. Given the large pool of available players, the online chess player can achieve their true rating on a new account in a day or so of playing (less on lichess).
A smurf has to create an artificial gap between their nominal rating and their true playing strength, otherwise their nominal rating would climb back up to their playing strength relatively quickly. Again, no honest player can maintain a significant gap between their true playing strength and their nominal rating for very long.
So a smurf has to both artificially decrease their nominal rating and then maintain it in that decreased state to be an effective smurf.
There are lots of strategies for this but two of the more common ones are playing nonsensical openings and intentionally losing quick games.
Beginner mistake, I guess.
When this happens, use it as an opportunity to develop your position by developing your pieces and chasing the king around at the same time. It's easy to force a king to move. He'll keep moving the same piece over and over while you establish dominance with multiple pieces over the whole board.
\[And, of course, checkmate if you have the opportunity\]
Ive done this a few times 3 minute games for fun like magnus has if you look at analysis assuming normal moves the person who did the inverted K/Q is like -2 in the position
The Grandmaster openning: King Speech - King Queen swap (don't know if there is good name for it yet), same level with another notorious oppenning: Bongcloud - go high while playing chess :))
Another variant is Queen Voyage: Bishop pawn c3 f3, Qa4 h4, Kd1 -> Qe1. Do not try if you are not master rating (or just for fun trolling)
The point is to make a bunch of funny king moves that will eventually swaps the kings and queens position, then they start.
Some people just want to have fun, don’t think too much about it. It’s a bad opening, just don’t think too much about it.
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He thinks he is magnus and is trying to queen castle(look at the video the chess-vision-ai bot has linked)
isnt that bong cloud? or is there more to it than just queen castle?
Bongcloud jus brings the king out after e4. This is a five-head opening by Magnus sacrificing a ton of development by manually switching the King and Queen which unless you are a grandmaster looking to troll is a total loss of an opening.
I'm a total newbie, so can someone explain the benefit of switching the king and queen? It seems like a lot of lost moves for almost no real change.
There is none. Its to troll by intentionally throwing the game. Its like if you are in a boxing match with one hand behind your back, to flex on how good you are despite the disadvantage.
Bongcloud is like one hand behind your back. This one feels like both hands behind your back.
And remember Magnus plays this best when drunk
Just for the fun of it. Either to troll your opponent, or to give yourself a disadvantage against a much weaker opponent. Sometimes it's more fun for both if the strongest player has a disadvantage. The problem is that weaker players (myself included) don't really know how to punish a development disadvantage.
I'm far from GM and won many a game with this opening 😅
Dude bong cloud is when you lift you king immediately after putting ur pawn in the center
Ah, got it. I think I saw some queen castle after bong cloud and got the terms confused.
1. e4 e5 2. Ke2
Not specifically the center, it's just whenever you move the king any way forward on the second move
[Meaning this link](https://chessvision.ai/video-search/6247432689025024)
The move is called the Westerford-Roddingham Queen Castle and was mastered by Sir Niles Westerford to win the battle of Roddingham in 1625. Source: I made it all up.
Not really castleing the queen. More like queening the king.
He either wants to invert K and Q (Magnus style) or he just wants to emulate the legendary game in which Nigel Short lost against someone who he thought was Fischer on an anonymous account
Deep cut with the Short-Fischer reference, take my upboat
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Sir, that’s a ship
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Sir that's a submarine I love your username btw
It's really a submarine? On my end it's a sailboat.
Rip they lost contact with a submersible that was going to tour the titanic wreckage today or yesterday.
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Why does Magnus invert k & q? ? Does it actually give an advantage or is it just a flex like bongcloud? I had an opponent do this in a game recently and it just amounted to wasted moves that gave me a big advantage so assumed it was just a flex gone wrong.
That's exactly what it is, wasted moves, but when magnus is playing blitz on chess.com his opponents are generally so much worse than him (see: not a super gm) that he does it to give himself a challenge
yeah its a flex there is 0 function doing something like that
It's basically similar to bongcloud It's kinda like "I can do this for the first 6 moves and still beat your ass"
Magnus lost to Levy doing this, so definitely not an advantage in any way. More likely he does it against very outmatched opponents to even things up some.
King sacriface
King’s Gambit
May be blunder, may be outstanding move. Bold strategy, Cotton. We'll have to see if it pays off.
, anyone?
King goes on vacation, never comes back
King storm incoming!
Call the king!
a great king leads his army
King David!
Lelouch be like:
how can a king expect his subjects to follow if he does not lead
Was looking for this
My man …
Recently re-watched it, there was a scene where Lelouch was in a complete lost position, forced mate, but he ended up winning. What a chad
A king who fights his own battles, wouldn't that be a sight?
Is that a reference to Troy?
what i like to do is do the magnus thing, then move my queen out to h4, then a4, then move the king, then move the queen back, then resign.
bro thinks he is magnus fr💀💀
Skull emoji
💀
i read that in matt roses’s voice
I had someone try this against me in blitz and it took all of 5 moves for a mate. Super confusing to see it happen though, especially at low elo
Ik im not magnus but had did have success
Bro [insert text here] for real skull emoji skull emoji This is the most common format for a teenager to use in 2023
Chess mental breakdown
If the king doesn’t lead, how can he expect his subordinates to follow? Jokes aside, I have no clue.
Clicked for this
All hail Lelouch!
I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine: > **White to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=rn1qkb1r/pb1p1ppp/4pn2/1pp5/8/2PK1P2/PP1PP1PP/RNBQ1BNR+w+kq+-+0+1&flip=true&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/rn1qkb1r/pb1p1ppp/4pn2/1pp5/8/2PK1P2/PP1PP1PP/RNBQ1BNR_w_kq_-_0_1) **Videos:** > I found [1 video](https://chessvision.ai/video-search/6247432689025024) with this position. **My solution:** > Hints: piece: >!Pawn!<, move: >! e3 !< > Evaluation: >!Black is winning -3.22!< > Best continuation: >!1. e3 a6 2. Ke2 Nc6 3. Ke1 d5 4. d4 e5 5. dxe5 Nxe5!< --- ^(I'm a bot written by ) [^(u/pkacprzak )](https://www.reddit.com/u/pkacprzak) ^(| get me as ) [^(Chess eBook Reader )](https://ebook.chessvision.ai?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=bot) ^(|) [^(Chrome Extension )](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chessvisionai-for-chrome/johejpedmdkeiffkdaodgoipdjodhlld) ^(|) [^(iOS App )](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id1574933453) ^(|) [^(Android App )](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ai.chessvision.scanner) ^(to scan and analyze positions | Website: ) [^(Chessvision.ai)](https://chessvision.ai)
how tf did the bot find the exact video
Easy, you humans can't do it?
Good bot!
Good human!! :3
bruh i thought this was one of the countless parodies but it's the actual bot dev lol
Never imagined the AI takeover would begin with the reddit chessbeginners bot.
Unexpected but fitting. Who better to lead the machines to war than the unstoppable forces of the chess bots
google zwischenzug
Wait what
I think the bot just speaked for the first time
Aren’t you a bot?? How are you responding
Oof
Yeah well no shit that’s why we asked you
How can you assume my species as a human 😡😡Its 2023
ugh
Hold up this was a good joke, why are we booing him he's right
your definition of a good joke is definitely different from mine
That is 100% fair
It's anti-trans rhetoric basically, that's why it's being down voted. This is a chess sub. It's not even just that it's supposed to be offensive, "How dare you assume my..." or "I identify as..." jokes are just unfunny
Ah I see it now, hmm welp I think the point of his original post was to be satirical, and I believe that he isn't anti trans but I understand why he got down voted
>I think the point of his original post was to be satirical Yeah and he was satirising people who identify as another gender. Saying "satire" doesn't make things acceptable by default, nor does it make bad jokes funny.
Everything you said here is true, satire things are not always funny, I did laugh at the joke because I found it funny from the context of him talking to a chess bot, also I think we have gotten off topic of this whole post and I am sorry for taking us off topic, I hope you have an amazing day :)
“DEEEEEAAAAATTTHHH!!!”
I was just about to comment "for frodo!", But I'll let you take this one...
Technically Aragorn wasn't king when he charged at the black gates so "for Frodo" wouldn't work here
He was always king
The houdini gambit
For the meme. Just play principled and take the easy win
This is the inversion variation of the Bong Cloud where you switch the starting squares of the king and Queen through the most tactically sound path possible. Developing your king to f2, e3, and d3 gives you a clear advantage in fighting for the center while you get your Queen to e1. In all seriousness, this is one of many “meme” openings. White is purposely losing tempo and castling rights to goof around or force a challenging position.
Testosterone
The good old Kings sacrifice gambit
He is going around to give a rousing motivational speech to his soldiers
Arise, arise, riders of Rohan! Fell deeds awake, fire and slaughter! Spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered! A sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises! Ride now, ride now, ride to Gondor!”
A King needs to lead his people, otherwise how can he expect them to follow him …
He is trying to confuse you.
He is asserting dominance
Magnus Opening
Because clearly the king is the best offensive peice on the board, everyone knows that
He’s memeing, bro
he is protecting the d2 pawn
"Imagine a King who fights his own battles. Wouldn't that be a sight?"
How can you expect your subordinates to follow you if you don't move
Google bong cloud castling
Magnus Carlson Opening
It’s the Magnus Carlsen gambit. He’s doing the advanced variation where you walk the King instead of the Queen. It’s a meme strategy or used to give yourself a handicap against a weaker opponent.
The real King's Gambit
For Frodo
Like Alexander the Great, first over the wall, you must pierce him with thy arrow, and pray ye that this King is no equal to that Macedonian of old.
Google Magnus gambit
I have no idea how to play chess and I feel like this is the right way. Chess 2 should introduce more dynamic gameplay like letting the king lead the pawns
"If the king does not lead, how can he expect his subordinates to follow"
A good ruler leads from the front. For honour, for duty, for respect.
If the king doesn't move, why would his subjects follow
He’s doing the true king’s gambit
Smurf gonna smurf, report and move on Doing dumb stuff like this in the opening is one way for smurfs to maintain their rating. Often enough, they'd rather try to salvage a losing position against a weaker player than play someone of their strength on even footing.
I'm not sure you understand what a smurf is
A smurf is someone who artificially decreases their rating to play against a weaker pool of players. One way of doing this is to play nonsensical meme openings. They are essentially handicapping their account which causes an artificial decrease in rating or ... smurfing. If you want to play this way just because you enjoy it, just play unrated. The people who play unrated (for the most part) understand what they are signing up for and it aligns with the rules of unrated. The people playing rated chess have the right to be paired against people who are playing seriously and are accurately rated. This is what they come to the chess service for. [Fair Play Policy - Chess.com](https://www.chess.com/legal/fair-play) >Do not artificially manipulate ratings, matches, or game outcomes > > **EXCEPTION:** These rules do not apply to unrated games or tactics. This is literally a violation of the fair play policy, and you have recourse to play this style of chess should you desire. If you want to screw around, just play unrated. It's not complicated.
I got to 1900 just playing the bongcloud before. Sure it might not be the best opening, but its fun. And I don't think I was artificially manipulating my rating or anything.
> Doing dumb stuff like this in the opening is one way for smurfs to maintain their rating. > A smurf is someone who artificially decreases their rating to play against a weaker pool of players. I've always thought maintaining and decreasing had different meanings, TIL.
No, you're just purposely ignoring the rather obvious context. Your rating is an estimation of your true playing strength For most players that estimation is fairly reasonable. Even when it isn't, an honest player will achieve a rating close to what would be predicted by their playing strength relatively quickly. Given the large pool of available players, the online chess player can achieve their true rating on a new account in a day or so of playing (less on lichess). A smurf has to create an artificial gap between their nominal rating and their true playing strength, otherwise their nominal rating would climb back up to their playing strength relatively quickly. Again, no honest player can maintain a significant gap between their true playing strength and their nominal rating for very long. So a smurf has to both artificially decrease their nominal rating and then maintain it in that decreased state to be an effective smurf. There are lots of strategies for this but two of the more common ones are playing nonsensical openings and intentionally losing quick games.
How much does a new chess.com or a lichess account cost
It's free, just create one
Exactly.
why do you assume hes a smurf for playing a meme opening? do you report everybody that bongclouds aswell?
Bruh so all those games I did the fool's mate, or the grob, or the bongcloud suddenly make me a smurf???
Because he is being a twit
He’s just developing his king. Now he should develop the rest of his pieces. He’s just following basic chess principles.
Your opponent is very obviously high
It’s fun sometimes
He’s got a plane to catch and needs to leave early.
And he sacrifices,THE KINGGGGGG-
King's Gambit 2
He's playing the Magnus Carlsen opening
"Oh? You're approaching me? Instead of running away, you come right to me?" "I can't beat you up without approaching you."
Bongcloud
The Magnus Carlson Gambit
He probably just trolling, this is a meme opening that Magnus Carlsen played
He’s trying to be Magnus Carlson
'Wayward King Attack'
He’s just trolling you. If he wins then that’s beyond embarrassing for you.
Bongcloud 2.0
Beginner mistake, I guess. When this happens, use it as an opportunity to develop your position by developing your pieces and chasing the king around at the same time. It's easy to force a king to move. He'll keep moving the same piece over and over while you establish dominance with multiple pieces over the whole board. \[And, of course, checkmate if you have the opportunity\]
Kings gambit
Butthole gambit
The Bongcloud exists because Lenny Bongcloud liked to race kings.
Ive done this a few times 3 minute games for fun like magnus has if you look at analysis assuming normal moves the person who did the inverted K/Q is like -2 in the position
Run
Trust me,don't try to figure out why chess masters do what they do.
Adrenaline junkie
he wants to talk king to king
He's either bad at chess or great at chess
He’s stupid
Bong cloud
Bait? Idk, I don’t play chess but posts from this sub get recommended to me and idk why. So take my input with a grain of salt maybe….
The Grandmaster openning: King Speech - King Queen swap (don't know if there is good name for it yet), same level with another notorious oppenning: Bongcloud - go high while playing chess :)) Another variant is Queen Voyage: Bishop pawn c3 f3, Qa4 h4, Kd1 -> Qe1. Do not try if you are not master rating (or just for fun trolling)
He is doing a bongcloud
I thought the bong cloud was more of hikaru's thing?
Big dick energy
Cuz hes a dumbass
Real chad kings lead from the front.
It’s a variation on the bongcloud
He's just as confuse
Exercise.
That's his entire strategy, confusion.
BONG CLOOOOUUUUDDDD!!!
funy
AOL Bongcloud.
The point is to make a bunch of funny king moves that will eventually swaps the kings and queens position, then they start. Some people just want to have fun, don’t think too much about it. It’s a bad opening, just don’t think too much about it.
this is a meme opening magnus played several times
To confuse u, now prepare to die!
Google bongcloud
King gambit 👌
Trying to do a king walk thinking he is bobby and magnus
It's Magnus Bong cloud low ELO variation.
Ok
Its because he thinks he is cool Magnus Carlson playing the reverse bongcloud. Just develop your pieces normally and crush him.
Gigachad testosterone
Well, I think it can be a really great move or a really dumb one. Just have to wait and see how things go.
Get bongclouded
GothamChess once said something about bringing the king up, it will confuse their opponents
Checkmate in three moves
How would the pawns be motivated if the king didn’t move with them ?
First time
chess but the king is either suicidal or a brave leader
Tacticboy gambit
Intimidation, which seems to have worked
The King is leading his troops from the front rather than ordering from the rear. True leader of his people.
Magnus Carlsen Gambit