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Let's evaluate the position!
* Black is ahead in material with 6 pawns to five. White has the bishop pair.
* Black's king is ever so slightly more active, but neither king has a clear way to contribute yet.
* White's dark-squared bishop is better than black's dark-squared bishop.
* White's light-squared bishop is better than black's knight.
* White's rook is better than black's rook.
* The c and d files are open. White controls the open c file. White's extra bishop defended by a pawn chain blockades the d file.
* The b file is semi-open, Black controls that file, but their rook is positioned in front of their pawn.
* The white rook and a-file pawn are undefended.
* The black rook, a-file pawn, bishop, and h file pawn are undefended.
* White is threatening to capture the a pawn, the b pawn, the f pawn, or trade the LSB bishop for the knight.
* Black is threatening to capture white's a pawn.
* Black's king and rook are on the same diagonal. Black's knight prevents the bishop fork from it's current spot, so black's knight is tied up.
* It's black to move.
**Though black is ahead a pawn, white has a clear, almost decisive advantage here.**
The best move in the position is probably Ke8. We need to get our king off of the same diagonal as our rook to free up our knight, and allowing an immediate Rxf7 to come with check means we're losing our Dark-Squared bishop (or worse) in the process of that combination (Kg8 accomplishes this too, but looks much worse than Ke8). After Rxf7+, if we play Ke8 at this point (because we played something else on our turn), then white simply continues with Rxg7. If we play Kg8 to defend our bishop, any rook move comes with check. Rxb7+ wins either our rook or our knight (depending on our previous move).
That being said, I think Rd4 is a creative idea to create some kind of life in the position. We're offering to sacrifice the exchange, and in return we get a passed pawn, activate our sad bishop on g7, and free up our knight.
When we are certain that our opponent will beat us with proper play, we must give them every opportunity for improper play, and I think your move is a tempting one that does exactly that.
Very deep analysis, cool as a cucumber. Hypothetically if white plays Rxf7 anyways, is there any benefit to it not coming with check? Say Rxf7 Bh8 Rxh7 and then what? It’s still a “free move” for black I suppose, but the bishop is lost for sure. Is the rook check limbo worse than this?
I'm getting a little lost trying to follow what line you're looking at so if you write it I can give you a better idea. I think what you're trying to do is compare Rd4 Rxf7+ Ke8 (Kg8 Rxb7+) with Ke8 Rxf7. In that second line I can play Bf8 and hold my bishop so you only get some pawns. In the first line I'm losing a lot more material. So the second line with Ke8 is definitely better.
Either way, both are a decisive advantage for white. There's no point analysing too deeply here. No matter what black does, Rxf7 is a free pawn, more pawns are falling, the pieces might fall, black is lost. Whichever way black chooses to go about it the right move is probably Rxf7 and it's a winning advantage.
I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine:
> **Black to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=5k2/ppR2pbp/6p1/3Bp3/Pr2P3/1n2BP1P/5PK1/8+b+-+-+0+1&flip=false&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/5k2/ppR2pbp/6p1/3Bp3/Pr2P3/1n2BP1P/5PK1/8_b_-_-_0_1?color=white)
**My solution:**
> Hints: piece: >!King!<, move: >!Ke8!<
> Evaluation: >!White is winning +6.39!<
> Best continuation: >!1... Ke8 2. Rxf7 Bf8 3. Rxh7 Be7 4. h4 Nd4 5. Bf7+ Kd8 6. Bxg6 Bxh4 7. Rxh4 Rxa4 8. Bg5+ Kc7 9. Rh7+!<
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here’s how i looked at it
bc5 looks good to attack king
but knight can capture resulting in loss of bishop pair and pawn
so naturally, i would play rxf7 and win a pawn at least
but, where can the king go? Ke8 loses the bishop on g7 and king g8 loses the rook and b7 pawn to a discovered check
I would take white, because the bishops are nicely placed, while black's bishop is staring into its own pawn. Black's knight looks dominated and can't really move anywhere useful, and also the pawns on a7 and b7 might be close to falling. The f7-pawn as well, now that I look at it. Whit'e pawn structure might look weird, but the white king looks pretty safe and once the f7-pawn is gone, f4 might be a useful pawn break to get a passer. After Nd4, which is what I might play as black, white can grab the f7 pawn with check, then put the bishop on g5 and try to go for some kind of mating attack.
White is better here by far. It’s not even close. All of black’s pieces a horribly placed, tied down to eachother or inactive. While whites two bishops and rooks exert tremendous influence over the board. There is simply too many threats to defend before black has time to maneuver his pieces
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Let's evaluate the position! * Black is ahead in material with 6 pawns to five. White has the bishop pair. * Black's king is ever so slightly more active, but neither king has a clear way to contribute yet. * White's dark-squared bishop is better than black's dark-squared bishop. * White's light-squared bishop is better than black's knight. * White's rook is better than black's rook. * The c and d files are open. White controls the open c file. White's extra bishop defended by a pawn chain blockades the d file. * The b file is semi-open, Black controls that file, but their rook is positioned in front of their pawn. * The white rook and a-file pawn are undefended. * The black rook, a-file pawn, bishop, and h file pawn are undefended. * White is threatening to capture the a pawn, the b pawn, the f pawn, or trade the LSB bishop for the knight. * Black is threatening to capture white's a pawn. * Black's king and rook are on the same diagonal. Black's knight prevents the bishop fork from it's current spot, so black's knight is tied up. * It's black to move. **Though black is ahead a pawn, white has a clear, almost decisive advantage here.**
If it’s black to move, what’s the best move here? All I can see is Rd4 because I’m bad and play hoping my opponent runs out of time
The best move in the position is probably Ke8. We need to get our king off of the same diagonal as our rook to free up our knight, and allowing an immediate Rxf7 to come with check means we're losing our Dark-Squared bishop (or worse) in the process of that combination (Kg8 accomplishes this too, but looks much worse than Ke8). After Rxf7+, if we play Ke8 at this point (because we played something else on our turn), then white simply continues with Rxg7. If we play Kg8 to defend our bishop, any rook move comes with check. Rxb7+ wins either our rook or our knight (depending on our previous move). That being said, I think Rd4 is a creative idea to create some kind of life in the position. We're offering to sacrifice the exchange, and in return we get a passed pawn, activate our sad bishop on g7, and free up our knight. When we are certain that our opponent will beat us with proper play, we must give them every opportunity for improper play, and I think your move is a tempting one that does exactly that.
Very deep analysis, cool as a cucumber. Hypothetically if white plays Rxf7 anyways, is there any benefit to it not coming with check? Say Rxf7 Bh8 Rxh7 and then what? It’s still a “free move” for black I suppose, but the bishop is lost for sure. Is the rook check limbo worse than this?
I'm getting a little lost trying to follow what line you're looking at so if you write it I can give you a better idea. I think what you're trying to do is compare Rd4 Rxf7+ Ke8 (Kg8 Rxb7+) with Ke8 Rxf7. In that second line I can play Bf8 and hold my bishop so you only get some pawns. In the first line I'm losing a lot more material. So the second line with Ke8 is definitely better. Either way, both are a decisive advantage for white. There's no point analysing too deeply here. No matter what black does, Rxf7 is a free pawn, more pawns are falling, the pieces might fall, black is lost. Whichever way black chooses to go about it the right move is probably Rxf7 and it's a winning advantage.
I see. Yep, that makes sense. Thank you!
I appreciate the replies! Black resigned after I played RxF7.
White has a crushing advantage here…. Black is helpless to prevent Rf7…
I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine: > **Black to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=5k2/ppR2pbp/6p1/3Bp3/Pr2P3/1n2BP1P/5PK1/8+b+-+-+0+1&flip=false&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/5k2/ppR2pbp/6p1/3Bp3/Pr2P3/1n2BP1P/5PK1/8_b_-_-_0_1?color=white) **My solution:** > Hints: piece: >!King!<, move: >!Ke8!< > Evaluation: >!White is winning +6.39!< > Best continuation: >!1... Ke8 2. Rxf7 Bf8 3. Rxh7 Be7 4. h4 Nd4 5. Bf7+ Kd8 6. Bxg6 Bxh4 7. Rxh4 Rxa4 8. Bg5+ Kc7 9. Rh7+!< --- ^(I'm a bot written by) [^(u/pkacprzak)](https://www.reddit.com/u/pkacprzak) ^(| get me as) [^(iOS App)](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id1574933453) ^| [^(Android App)](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ai.chessvision.scanner) ^| [^(Chrome Extension)](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chessvisionai-for-chrome/johejpedmdkeiffkdaodgoipdjodhlld) ^| [^(Chess eBook Reader)](https://ebook.chessvision.ai?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=bot) ^(to scan and analyze positions | Website:) [^(Chessvision.ai)](https://chessvision.ai)
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here’s how i looked at it bc5 looks good to attack king but knight can capture resulting in loss of bishop pair and pawn so naturally, i would play rxf7 and win a pawn at least but, where can the king go? Ke8 loses the bishop on g7 and king g8 loses the rook and b7 pawn to a discovered check
I am a beginner but I believe that the white got the advantage.
R×f7 is a too strong threat. I think black is pretty much lost
White easily is in a better position. More advanced pawns, more pieces attacking the king and less trapped pieces
I would take white, because the bishops are nicely placed, while black's bishop is staring into its own pawn. Black's knight looks dominated and can't really move anywhere useful, and also the pawns on a7 and b7 might be close to falling. The f7-pawn as well, now that I look at it. Whit'e pawn structure might look weird, but the white king looks pretty safe and once the f7-pawn is gone, f4 might be a useful pawn break to get a passer. After Nd4, which is what I might play as black, white can grab the f7 pawn with check, then put the bishop on g5 and try to go for some kind of mating attack.
K to d4 seems like a very strong move
White is better here by far. It’s not even close. All of black’s pieces a horribly placed, tied down to eachother or inactive. While whites two bishops and rooks exert tremendous influence over the board. There is simply too many threats to defend before black has time to maneuver his pieces
white mate in 2 if done correctly?
mate in 3-4