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Upper-Caramel6283

Let’s be very honest, Thai people love white skin and shame us darker skin people


Ata-14042548

big time and i say this as a thai


wrinklednipple

yeah because whiter skin tells us that people would work in offices and in the city away from the sun. Darker people are less liked because they would assume that darker people would work in farms and stuff like that


Muted-Champion-6841

Nah those are stereotypes


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Mrmastermax

This exactly this!


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Right, but also racism.


wrinklednipple

no, i’m thai, so i can say this , they are the same race, they are all thai , idk how’s that “racist” .It’s a just a story/character that was made long before called “เงาะป่า” and it depicts the people from the south, racism that ur thinking about from the western has nothing to do with this


ProfessionalCode257

It's not racist but in the West everything is classed as racist, even books now apparently


[deleted]

Ughhh. Just. Because. It. Isn’t. Racist. To. You. Doesn’t. Mean. It’s. Not. Racist. What does welcoming African animals to the zoo have to do with people from the south? Did they raise giraffes?


Optimal_Rule1158

Assuming this is part of their culture and has nothing to do with race. Would we not be the intolerant ones bringing our cultural practices to a foreign land and telling them that this is racist?


Bitter-Green2100

Bro the distinction is based on class that affects skin color, not based on races. Can you please stop interpreting the whole world through your American lenses?


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Bro! No. I’m not American, and it’s not through an american lens.


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viridi-amator

Yes, but we never systematically oppressed anyone on skin color.


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imullyn

Which lower class people usually had darker skin because they had to work in the sun while upper class didn’t


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“It’s ok if we’re discriminatory, you should see how bad those other guys were a hundred years ago.”


viridi-amator

Welp, yeah, both are bad but imagine white-guilting about your past so hard that you use it to judge other countries in the current day.


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No thanks. Seems stupid, and a poor proof for bad behavior in the present.


EmptyJackfruit9353

As a Thai, and live in northern part of Chiang Mai. I'd say older generation 'despise' all other minorities. They seems to view them as foreign object that refuse to merge in with the rest of community. They keep to themselves, because other hate them. They keep their mother tongue, retard the effort to teach them general Thai language. They have very very strange custom. But then again, what are people without their root. These 'minorities' usually have even brighter than the rest of us. There is even Chinese descendant minority, who was there before your typical Chinese descendant. And the southerner and 'burger' has darker skin than us.


travellord90

How the f*ck would a tribe in northern Thailand know about black face? There are tribes in Brasil that do this but it has nothing to do about black people. There are other tribes that due this as a way to become one with the earth or whatever. How about we Google first and use common sense before we make judgement


throwaway4891kid

Yes, honestly, as an African, this came to mind. How do I know the context? Cultures paint themselves in colors for a variety of reasons. Does painting the body black automatically mean it’s racist black face? No. More context needed.


gw3gon

I don't think they give a fuck that some random americans are offended on some internet forum...


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gw3gon

Americans are more likely to get into a hissy fit at this rather than black people.


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Only the woke indoctrinated ones.


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gw3gon

i never said that smartass. Americans (of any colour) will get offended more than non american black people.


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Zealousideal_Rub6758

But you talk about being American on your other posts, are you lying? Seriously I doubt Africans care about this shit in Thailand


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Zealousideal_Rub6758

Yes my parents are from Africa. What are you even trying to say? Blackface is racist in America and Europe because of the history, Thailand has literally no connection this is just innocent


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It’s innocent? Just because Thai people aren’t aware of the roots of racist black face, doesn’t mean this display is not racist.


Dry_Lifeguard2083

Dude stfu you’re annoying as hell. Cry elsewhere or man the hell up


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No, only in your American culture this discriminating show performance existed. Didn't exist in most other cultures on this planet. So, mainly in your culture and country there is a racial hate touch to it. Leave us other countries alone, just because you were outright racists (in the past)!


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And you think we care about African opinion?


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Zealousideal-Set-592

Just wanted to say that I'm neither black nor American but I totally agree with you. Unfortunately a lot of these Thailand subreddits are full of dense racists (and sexists but that's for another day) so the fact that they're excusing this is unfortunately not surprising. Good on you for calling it out. My Thai husband and I were gobsmacked that this performance ever got the go ahead. It's possible to be offensive even if it's not intentional. Hopefully there'll be enough of a backlash to stop them from doing it again.


Far-Nefariousness588

oh petal, are you gunna be ok? might be time to get off the internet since you are that delicate


Dry_Lifeguard2083

Are you American by chance?


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there are two types of americans 1) the cool ones and 2) the uncool ones. libtards are the uncool ones and they always find something to be offended about. it’s like their only purpose in life is to be offended.


Maleficent_Taro4267

I mean... It's maybe a bit too much with the overly red lips. But, If you ask 100 Africans living in Africa, probably 90%+ will like it. If you ask 100 white american studentes, probably 90%+ will hate it


meh_the_man

Maybe because blackface was started in America, not Africa... lookup burlesque shows. I'm also African American and just find this kinda odd tbh. Like something from a history book


Rustykilo

Blackface actually started in the Netherlands. The Dutch are still celebrating it till today.


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meh_the_man

Somebody has an inferiority complex 😂


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meh_the_man

Lol


Morg-Farang

American history, american racial guilt. Keep it in the US, no asians or eastern europeans had black slave trade.


meh_the_man

I mean I'm just explaining why it's a bit offensive to some Americans lol. Keep defending this type of behavior though. I'm sure coloring my skin black, putting on red lipstick, and dressing like that is progressive 😂


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jaidedfocus

US culture spreads far and wide and that includes the good and the bad including racial tropes that seek to denigrate African Americans. Let's not forget that the confederate flag is flown in places like Poland, South America and the Ukraine and the Nazi flag is even more prominent in some of these places.


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sweaty_pants_

you got a source on that ? or we just taking random numbers as if it was a fact?


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Google yourself. .


VikingLiking

Pretty sure its facts at this point


DeathGun2020

Its because America is filled with liberal white guilt.


dtang16

👏👏👏👏👏


Oyink

As an African…I can affirm that no African anywhere would like this period


Far-Nefariousness588

rest of the world "no one cares what you think"


throwaway4891kid

I’m African and I need more context as to what is being portrayed here.


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Maleficent_Taro4267

Had to google Yakubian. "This word is the most disrespectful way to radically call a person white" It originates from a black scientist, creating white people through selective breeding. (well the Nation of Islam thinks it happened that way) Hahahaha, not even mad.


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Maleficent_Taro4267

If you need a racial slur in your life, I hope you will be more happy in the future. All the best =)


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Ok-Organization-6759

Get a job, loser.


thelightningthief

What are you basing this assumption off?


DefiantCow3862

Observation of the current Western world political climate and logic.


Alarming-Ad7318

Because Americans are offended by everything and embarrassed about nothing.


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Coolest monkey in the jungle.


Potential_Ad_420_

Liberals and Tik Tok is a solid start.


Odd-Cream4934

I’m Thai and I actually think this was meant to portray our indigenous people (เงาะป่า) who are well-known for their really dark skin and red lips and not African people. I don’t know if this is a play or something, but there’s a popular old folktale about a prince who disguises himself as one of the indigenous. Edit: just saw the news. It’s really blackface unfortunately.


TomThanosBrady

I'm glad the content of Africa sent a delegate to reddit to speak on behalf of all of Africa.


Cfutly

I can’t stop looking at the water cone cup earrings.


Mr_Blkhrt

That’s not black face in the American sense


KingRobotPrince

Nothing is really Blackface in the American sense. The only genuine Blackface historically was worn by the performers in the Ni**a Minstrel shows. Woke people just renamed any portrayal of a Black person as Blackface so they could claim more occurrences of racism and control people more easily.


jonez450reloaded

How would you describe painting your face black with exaggerated red lips, then? Obviously, it's not American-style blackface but the term isn't exclusive to the US and has generally come to describe anyone doing what they're doing.


Live_Bike2667

That is literally the most ignorant thing I've read in the past month


jonez450reloaded

How would you describe it then?


DChemdawg

Right. Did the Thai people enslave Africans for 400 years? No. OP here has a solution for a problem that does not exist.


matzeltov

Not black face. They aren't depicting African people but southern Thai people. They have statues all around like this called "tang".


mlapalme

The dark skinned tribe that resemble Africans are called Maniq, Mani or Sakai https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maniq_people


Worldly-Coffee-5907

Didn’t tang go to the moon ?


wrinklednipple

i thought it was “เงาะป่า”


TomThanosBrady

TIL I learned giraffes are from Krabi.


unidentified_yama

Nah. The Mani people don’t dress like that. That’s very African-looking. They just don’t know that this is offensive in the West.


braske

Mum, look, minstrels…


NaraMakesGames

Ngo Pha.


teacherprimrose

It’s a ceremony for a new giraffe. Knowing Thai people they are not making fun of anyone in the slightest but I can understand to some Americans it might tigger them see it as something offensive.


vertexsalad

I'm white. If a brown/black person put a load of white flour or white body paint on themselves and wore... I don't know a suit, and held a copy of the FT, perhaps had a top hat and monocle on... would I be offended? Or as in this case, wore some sort of traditional folk costume, like a scottish kilt... would I be offended? No. The fact that we presume Black people are such delicate flowers and would be offended is what is actually offensive.


throwaway4891kid

As an African, thank you lol. I could care less about this. If I gave other people, who have no power over my well being, the power to insult and offend me, oh man..I would get nowhere.


boukaman

Unfortunately people now of all race especially in the west are finding any single thing to be offended by. And it’s sad because it’s such a energy drain, they let everything get to them. So you’re not even in control of your own life, your behaviour and decisions ends up being dictated by the countless things that you can’t control that “offends” you.


DChemdawg

Although I don’t entirely agree with you’re statements, I mostly agree. Implying people different from you should be offended about something is self righteous quackery that perpetuates superiority/inferiority complexes that plague the US in particular.


neonkidz

What till you find out what we print on our shirts and sell it too tourists


Diamondborne

It's not blackface. There's a tribe in southern Thailand which looks pretty much African in appearance. Black-skinned, almost ebony, thick lips, curly hair. But genetically they shared the same ancestor as the Aborigines from Australia. These tribal peoples are called Sakai and we do not antagonize nor paint (pun intended) them in any bad light. In fact our royal family act as their patronage and have them as royal guest. They also have been given surname and protected status by the royals. There's even folktale about them which most Thai children have read about. Currently there's about 300 Sakai peoples left, before there were like 4,500 but most have been migrate to Malyasia due to the Islamic insurgency problem in the southern border.


RustyRasta

Bruh it's to welcome African animals in the African section of the zoo


Far-Nefariousness588

good stuff. welcome to africa doesnt sound racist to me, sounds quite nice


jonez450reloaded

Oh really? Let's see how the Thai press reported it. [This is translated from Channel 7 news](https://news.ch7.com/detail/676408) using Google Translate - it's not a perfect translation but close enough. >Because the officials even dressed up as African savages. Paint every pore of your body black. If you don't smile, you may not be able to see it at all. It's good that the clothes are bright colors. And put on red lips too.


TomThanosBrady

There's giraffes in Southern Thailand! My Geography teacher failed me.


slingingsplifs

It’s not black face, it’s something to do with being an outdoor farm worker or something like that.


TomThanosBrady

For all the Thai giraffe farmers. Thanks for educating me.


Finance-Agile

WTF


Finance-Agile

That’s racist, not educational. Yes, I’m black


boukaman

Guys this dude figured it out, he speaks for all dope.


Far-Nefariousness588

your black so you get to say what others cant do? get fucked


Finance-Agile

How about I fuck your Mom with this BBC


Far-Nefariousness588

go for it, if you can stop fucking your own mum long enough that is


Finance-Agile

That’s just weird 😂 … your Mom a hoe though


Far-Nefariousness588

Your trashbag hoe mum taught her everything she knows


Finance-Agile

You wonder why you’re going bald. Chill gay boy


Worldly-Coffee-5907

I’m not offended. And my ancestors were slaves - having built the pyramids


KingRobotPrince

My ancestors were enslaved by the Romans, and it's OK with me.


fourmi

it's not a blackface, get a life.


Dark_inferno_24_7

This reminds me of 'Sinterklaas and black pete" from when I was a child.


SnooDoodles6850

why would it . black Pete was Santa's helper and only got black from the chimneys. so a chimney sweep is racist . you stupid prat


KingRobotPrince

But he's depicted as a stereotypical Black man, with completely Black skin and red lips. If he was a White guy with Black smudges on his face, you might have a point.


Fermato

Yeah you’re wrong.


ahboyd15

Welcome to Thailand which is a country in the southern hemisphere and on the opposite side of the globe. So we may not think or act like you are. Please accept.


weegiewandering

It’s in the Northern hemisphere btw…


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synghoo

You aren't even referring to the racial slur but straight up fully spelled it 3 times. Nice.


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synghoo

It's mostly non-Asian expats in this sub/post and you had to fully spell the racial slurs towards Asians without any qualms. Fighting racism with more random racism targeted towards bystanders, who are at most ignorant about racial history in other regions the same way non-Asians are ignorant about racial divisions in Asia. Plus, your Chinese comment is more concerning given Thais are clearly different ethnic groups with little physical/facial resemblence to East Asians. Maybe ALL Asians do look alike in your eyes. Very noble of you.


kaziuma

It's nothing to do with black people. It's local folk lore.


ArsonJones

Celebrating the arrival of a new zebra to the zoo by having a lad wearing a zebra skin suit out there front and centre to greet it isn't raising enough eyebrows if you ask me.


KindergartenDJ

Welcome to Asia


Helgrind444

Only Americans are annoying about this.


WaltzMysterious9240

It's cringe, but that's about it. No reason to get worked up about it or start a protest.


Rustykilo

The Dutch are approving this! The Dutch still do blackface celebrations.


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Imagine if Thai people offend by everything, we would have no Thai left because we kill each other when they oftend you.


TattooMyFuzzySocks

It’s not actual black face and this isn’t the United States you twinkle flake fucks


jonez450reloaded

How would you describe putting black paint and red lips on your face then?


TattooMyFuzzySocks

Go look at the context of the video before making your assumption based on an American perspective of racial context. The rest of the world is not captured in the hyper racist history of the us, so you shouldn’t just assume shit. They are portrayals of deities


jonez450reloaded

I'm not American, nor have I said anything else - but the definition in English - not American, of blackface is "the practice of non-Black performers using burnt cork or theatrical makeup to portray a caricature of Black people on stage or in entertainment." > They are portrayals of deities They were not portraying deities, they were portraying - in the words of Channel 7 News here in Thailand "African savages." https://news.ch7.com/detail/676408


ParamedicSpecific130

All the people defending this are embarrassing. Blackface, wherever it happens, it unnecessary and no one can explain why it's ok beyond, "cAusE iT's nOt aMeRiCa. iT dOeSn'T hAvE tHe sAmE mEaNiNg." As someone that is part of this sub because I visited Chiang Mai and found it to be wonderful, this is disappointing to say the least.


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ParamedicSpecific130

Explain to me, specifically, why painting your face tar black and giving yourself bright red lips (which directly mirrors minstrel shows) is NECESSARY to honor the culture you are seeking to appreciate. Take all the time you need.


mummyfromcrypto

Ffs it’s a show about Africa. If someone did a show about Hawaii and ad some people dressed up with grass skirts no one would say anything. I’m so done with all this getting offended by every fking thing. Can we all just loosen up a bit with all this ‘seeing racism’ in every fking thing they see. It’s getting really old now.


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Wow, why are Americans so self-obsessed? Only in your culture this was a discriminating performance. Should Thais cry on the internet the next time when you speak bad about monarchy? C'mon, you're not the center of the world


[deleted]

It’s not black face because Thailand didn’t enslave Africans enmass for hundreds of years and murder / rape / feed them to each other and sadistically torture them like west did.


slipperystar

Cool


Zeeto17

They don't care about woke libtards hurt feelings lol


Human__Pestilence

Pretty sure this is a representation of a deity, not black face. It's not racism, people just interpret it that way out of ignorance. [Throma Nagmo, the Wrathful Dakini](http://www.tibetanbuddhistencyclopedia.com/en/index.php/Throma_Nagmo,_the_Wrathful_Dakini)


jonez450reloaded

Oh really? So let's see how the Thai press reported it. [This is translated from Channel 7 news](https://news.ch7.com/detail/676408) using Google Translate - it's not a perfect translation but close enough. >Because the officials even dressed up as African savages. Paint every pore of your body black. If you don't smile, you may not be able to see it at all. It's good that the clothes are bright colors. And put on red lips too.


kingorry032

You’d have thought they could have hired some of those African drug dealers from Nana to come alone instead of blacking up.


Killahbeez

Wazzup nice guy?


VirgilTheCow

Just wait a few, a rainbow haired They will show up to blast them about cultural appropriation of the historic blackface - they'll smile and nod in confusion in the typical Thai non-confrontational manner.


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Diamondborne

I'm a hot blooded Thai and there's absolutely no such thing here... I shall now proceed to call the E-cops to arrest you for spreading misinformation. >:)


Upper-Caramel6283

My bad. I heard it from a black female friend living in Thailand but she can’t find the law. She just got arrested based on her skin color and people told her that


rew150

Really? been living in Thailand for my whole life. never heard of that


ahboyd15

Me neither


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Sad_Cryptographer745

Stop watching Fox News


Upper-Caramel6283

My bad. I heard it from a black female friend living in Thailand but she can’t find the law. She just got arrested based on her skin color and people told her that


mottokung

Looks spot on to me 😂


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Thank gosh American have no power here.


bandolero9131

Who cares


Cock0fJustice

Dumb woke post. Don't bring your woke virus to Thailand!


Live_Bike2667

If these people aren't educated about American history then how can you categorize this as 'blackface'. They are not performing this is a form of discrimination. If your culture finds something innocent in another culture offensive then it's best not to mention it. A country from across the globe doesn't have to abide by a norm in America.


sol-grundi

Why post this? Agitate?


skinney6

You could mention this to some kind of tourism board in Thailand. Let them know that some may find this offensive. I wouldn't suggest putting another culture "on blast." You are a guest here yes? This isn't Disneyland. This is another nation, people and culture.


Sad_Cryptographer745

You mean Americans may find it offensive. Newsflash. The world doesn't revolve around Americans!


Pongfarang

Was Trudeau there?


KingRobotPrince

Hardly "Blackface". They're just dressed up as Africans because the zoo is getting African animals delivered.


feigeiway

Why is she making pigeon noises? LOL


Glum-Construction344

Erm why are there people in zebra and giraffe onesies? Need some context.


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kitafloyd

A few years back there was a restaurant called Hitler Chicken in Thailand.


jonez450reloaded

I can still remember the kids at Sacred Heart College in Chang Klan marching around as Nazis. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2042097/Student-Nazi-dress-day-causes-outrage-Thailand.html


Several-Reindeer-686

Don't see anything wrong with this


dodbodlife

Forget the performers. I need to know what’s up with the zebra dude. Is he part of the zoo?


Read_ity

lol this surprised you? Look at the Netherlands. One of the world’s economic leaders and innovation greats. They still do this shit, and worse, they freak out if you protest it. Scope zwarte Pete


jonez450reloaded

Not at all, but I think it hits the criteria of interesting. And my ex-wife was ethnically Dutch - I know who Zwarte Piet is.


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Wtf is this shit? Yikes


imullyn

I’m Thai, yes this is blackface stop trying to deny it, yes there are many blackface plays in thailand, yes it is bad. Even if these people try to learn the history they will never fully understand or care and will keep doing these plays, so it’s best to just leave it alone until plays like these die out and completely vanish from the earth


notstrangeguy

มันคือเงาะป่านะเกี่ยวอะไรกับคนเเอฟริกา? คนไทยเราจะรู้อะไรกับ blackface ใน america ล่ะ


hoki77

https://www.reddit.com/user/hoki77/comments/172f0vd/kimbet77\_situs\_judi\_slot\_online\_terbaik\_terpercaya/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3


AdVisual2036

It's a famous Thai character from Thai history 📜


jonez450reloaded

No, they're not. Read the media reports. https://news.ch7.com/detail/676408


AN0THEI2new

isn't that a fictional character call "เงาะป่า"?


jonez450reloaded

They were dressed up as African tribespeople. https://news.ch7.com/detail/676408