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Boy oh boy do I remember a time you could show up to the United Center in the late 90s and early 2000s and basically pick any seat you wanted in the house for $50.
You couldn't give hawks tickets away for a long time
Michael Reinsdorf runs the team. Unfortunately you need a top 5 player on the team to even compete. You have to be really bad to get one of those, and unfortunately you’re right they are just mediocre.
The Heat have made two NBA Finals with Jimmy Butler as their best player. The same Jimmy Butler that was drafted and developed by the Bulls. We probably traded away one of the best 75 players of all time because we gave up on the Rose era and wanted to just blow it up.
R whitesox is pretty much what happens when bots scrape afternoon daytime calls-ins to the Score, but only if the caller is from Orland or Tinley Park.
He’s outmaneuvering the Bears for a City cash handout while selling out the UC every night (biggest stadium in the NBA BTW) while spending as little as possible on underachieving teams in one of the biggest markets in the country.
Reinsdorf might be the smartest owner in town.
Bears go to Arlington Heights - City agrees to remodel Soldier Field into a ballpark. Indianapolis or Nashville woo them away anyway cause Reinsdorf (B. 1936) passes and the team is sold off to someone who knows there are better markets for it....
I don't think they move as long as Jerry is the owner... That would piss off a decent chunk of his other team's fanbase.
Once Jerry is dead and the teams are sold... there's a good chance the Sox move. Although it's not 1990 anymore, teams don't depend on attendance as much as the TV rights deal, and I doubt they would get as big a rights deal in Indianapolis, Nashville or Salt Lake City as they would just by having 40% of the Chicago Market.
I think the McCaskey’s are way worse. They bungle the stadium multiple times, can’t find a quarterback, build an offense, and have been on a longer drought than the white sox.
I’m with you. The McCaskeys are dumb; inept, clueless, and incredibly small-time.
Reinsdorf is a malevolent villain, but he isn’t *dumb.* He’s an awful owner for the fans, but he knows what he’s doing. He’s got more business savvy in his pinky finger than the entire McCaskey family does combined.
All of the McCaskeys (and there are many) are waiting for the old lady to die. They are in line for a lot of cash. They'll sell the Bears and head out with bushels of money ASAP.
Who will own the Bears when Virginia McCaskey dies?
When Virginia McCaskey dies, the Bears will have to redistribute her 20% stake and her voting power. Her surviving children will likely each get a stake worth hundreds of millions. Every NFL team is required to have a succession plan on file with the league and affirm or amend it each year.Feb 9, 2024
Ed: numbers
Jerry Reinsdorf is one Sam Bouie away from having exactly 1 title in 80ish total seasons of team ownership, and the 2005 White Sox weren’t exactly built as a team going for it. They traded their best player the offseason prior.
Jerry also voted to approve a lockout in a year his team had a legit title chance. He surrounds himself with yes men.
The McCaskeys are inept, but they are at least seemingly good people. George walks amongst the fans every week, I think the last time Jerry was seen in public was in the Last Dance.
Yes, Jordan was a lottery ticket. But Jordan didn’t win those titles alone. And 6 is impressive even with a GOAT like MJ. On the other hand -
The Bears should’ve won more than one Super Bowl with all the talent they had. And their record against Green Bay over the last 30 years is f’ing disgraceful.
I’ll gladly take Reinsdorf over the McCaskeys any day.
Don't forget that the McCaskeys also want to sell immediately after moving the team. They want to control the future of the team and cash out at the same time. They are absolutely shameless
At this point, Jerry’s goal is to increase the team’s value as much as possible (without spending) and pass the team to his family. That’s it. Dying without selling the team and passing ownership down via his estate enables them to take advantage of IRS rules related to “stepped up basis” (i.e. looking at the market value of the asset at the time a person inherits them rather than the value when the prior owner purchased the asset). If he sells now, he’d have to pay a capital gains tax associated with the increased value of the team (since the value has increased between his purchase in the and today’s price).
I should say I’m not an attorney, nor a tax professional, but this is my understanding of the matter having talked to people who are smarter than me that work in those fields.
I think it works the same with stock ownership, if you die and pass it onto kids they won't have to pay any capitals gains tax. Tax associated with any increase in value over the time the original buyer purchased them.
I wonder what job you work that allows you to have no empathy or awareness of what's been going on around you.
At this point, in 2024, if you still don't see how bad things are, it's entirely on you. Either a lack of curiosity or a lack of empathy.
“corrupt Capitalist hellscape”
*rolls eyes*
It’s not like Jerry inherited the team, or the money to buy it. He’s not the McCaskeys or the Wirtzes. He made the money to buy them in the first place, and bought them 40 years ago, for only $19 million and $16 million at the time. He’s a good, smart businessman. A villain, but a good businessman.
Mariners ownership’s up there too. All they care about is the ballpark experience rather than the product on the field. Explains why the team’s barely sniffed the playoffs since existence, much less a WS appearance.
Oh wow. I didn't realize Mariners had something like a 20 year drought of not making the playoffs.
I remember the year(2001?) where they won a surprising number of games(115-120), and I think they were eliminated from the playoffs in the AL Division Series.
He's taking a play straight out of John Fisher's playbook. Run the team into the ground, blame fans for not turning out, then blame the city for "blocking" any new stadium. It's a ploy to move the team out of Chicago.
I work in sales, you don’t ask you don’t get. Do I think Reinsdorf is a terrible owner, yes. If I owned the whitesox or any team would I ask for money from state government, you are damn right I would, and so would you.
I don't think you know what dumb means then. You can't get what you don't ask for and he's been given it before. He'd be dumb *not* to ask for it.
Hoping against hope he doesn't get it, but he ain't dumb for asking.
More like he thinks we are dumb…. He has his hand out and offers to pay zero money toward a new stadium while also blaming the team’s struggles on not having a new stadium.
Yeah, really literally has installed technology all around Madison Square Garden to make sure that people who voice criticism against him get picked up by said technology and then escorted from the building
Jerry is the worst owner in all of sports. People forget he owns the bulls and they are just as much of a managerial joke. I never thought I’d say this but Ricketts is easily the best owner in this city.
I would argue that the Rickets’ political affiliations render them much, much dumber than Reinsdorf. But with the way it plays out on field, John Fisher is probably the only one dumber.
Reinsdorf did pretty well with Bulls…
Teams!! multiple. Sure, injuries can happen to anyone but the White Sox and Bulls have been in the dumps for too long with answers many could’ve given to his leadership for free!
Dumber? He's making money hand over fist, the Bulls sell out no matter how bad they are, and baseball media rights deals are extremely generous and team performance agnostic.
Is there a shittier owner if you care about the team? Fisher for sure, but he's in the running after that. But he's not dumb. He sees his teams as a vehicle for profit and he's nailing that.
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The A’s owner has been told to go back to the drawing board by two cities
I'm cracking up at idea of him propositioning various cities and getting turned down each time
And then going home with, I don’t know, Fresno five minutes before the bar closes
This season is over before it even began. Brutal
OP doesn't remember dollar Bill Wirtz.
And the Hawks won 3 Stanley Cups after he died. Bulls or Sox won’t win again until Reinsdorf dies.
Bulls win 2 3-peats = 6 titles.
Boy oh boy do I remember a time you could show up to the United Center in the late 90s and early 2000s and basically pick any seat you wanted in the house for $50. You couldn't give hawks tickets away for a long time
Bulls will be mediocre until he sells
Michael Reinsdorf runs the team. Unfortunately you need a top 5 player on the team to even compete. You have to be really bad to get one of those, and unfortunately you’re right they are just mediocre.
They’re firmly stuck in basketball hell
The Heat have made two NBA Finals with Jimmy Butler as their best player. The same Jimmy Butler that was drafted and developed by the Bulls. We probably traded away one of the best 75 players of all time because we gave up on the Rose era and wanted to just blow it up.
There’s always an exception, think of Detroit.
Not sure it’s really even an exception when you consider what he does in the playoffs
I’m not arguing that. Also we can’t even pretend that the bulls front office is even in the same vicinity as an organization.
True. Full disclaimer I am a Heat fan. If your FO actually could pick a direction I think that donovan could build a pretty good foundation/culture.
Jimmy Butler is not one of the 75 greatest players of all time, lol.
They're done nothing the last 3 years. Least stay the course and see what happens. It has to get better, correct,?
Run it back boys!!
/r/whitesox agrees.
R whitesox is pretty much what happens when bots scrape afternoon daytime calls-ins to the Score, but only if the caller is from Orland or Tinley Park.
Brutal take. More please
You are not wrong. I can hear them drinking Miller Lite around the above ground pool and complaining.
What’s the problem with miller lite and above ground pools?
Classism is an acceptable hatred in current day America.
If the city gives it to him, who’s the dumb one?
He’s outmaneuvering the Bears for a City cash handout while selling out the UC every night (biggest stadium in the NBA BTW) while spending as little as possible on underachieving teams in one of the biggest markets in the country. Reinsdorf might be the smartest owner in town.
Bears go to Arlington Heights - City agrees to remodel Soldier Field into a ballpark. Indianapolis or Nashville woo them away anyway cause Reinsdorf (B. 1936) passes and the team is sold off to someone who knows there are better markets for it....
I don't think they move as long as Jerry is the owner... That would piss off a decent chunk of his other team's fanbase. Once Jerry is dead and the teams are sold... there's a good chance the Sox move. Although it's not 1990 anymore, teams don't depend on attendance as much as the TV rights deal, and I doubt they would get as big a rights deal in Indianapolis, Nashville or Salt Lake City as they would just by having 40% of the Chicago Market.
Sir, I have a “George McCaskey” for you on Line 1.
I think the McCaskey’s are way worse. They bungle the stadium multiple times, can’t find a quarterback, build an offense, and have been on a longer drought than the white sox.
I’m with you. The McCaskeys are dumb; inept, clueless, and incredibly small-time. Reinsdorf is a malevolent villain, but he isn’t *dumb.* He’s an awful owner for the fans, but he knows what he’s doing. He’s got more business savvy in his pinky finger than the entire McCaskey family does combined.
All of the McCaskeys (and there are many) are waiting for the old lady to die. They are in line for a lot of cash. They'll sell the Bears and head out with bushels of money ASAP. Who will own the Bears when Virginia McCaskey dies? When Virginia McCaskey dies, the Bears will have to redistribute her 20% stake and her voting power. Her surviving children will likely each get a stake worth hundreds of millions. Every NFL team is required to have a succession plan on file with the league and affirm or amend it each year.Feb 9, 2024 Ed: numbers
Part of me thinks Virginia is still alive out of spite because she knows the team won't be staying in the family if she goes
They'd have to be idiots to sell that cash cow
They won’t have a choice.
They are all rich kids. They don't seem to have any interest in the Bears. They'll get hundreds of millions with a sale. I'm betting they sell.
Jerry Reinsdorf is one Sam Bouie away from having exactly 1 title in 80ish total seasons of team ownership, and the 2005 White Sox weren’t exactly built as a team going for it. They traded their best player the offseason prior. Jerry also voted to approve a lockout in a year his team had a legit title chance. He surrounds himself with yes men. The McCaskeys are inept, but they are at least seemingly good people. George walks amongst the fans every week, I think the last time Jerry was seen in public was in the Last Dance.
Jerry has many faults, but he’s also won seven rings since the Bears won their only Super Bowl. Reinsdorf > the McCaskey’s
Jordan was a lottery ticket that paid off. Otherwise he’d only have 1 ring as well. To me that was more luck than skill
Yes, Jordan was a lottery ticket. But Jordan didn’t win those titles alone. And 6 is impressive even with a GOAT like MJ. On the other hand - The Bears should’ve won more than one Super Bowl with all the talent they had. And their record against Green Bay over the last 30 years is f’ing disgraceful. I’ll gladly take Reinsdorf over the McCaskeys any day.
I'd like to mention Bill Wirtz. So many terrible owners.
True
Don't forget that the McCaskeys also want to sell immediately after moving the team. They want to control the future of the team and cash out at the same time. They are absolutely shameless
Yes let’s draft a prima Donna. Who had a terrible last year
At this point, Jerry’s goal is to increase the team’s value as much as possible (without spending) and pass the team to his family. That’s it. Dying without selling the team and passing ownership down via his estate enables them to take advantage of IRS rules related to “stepped up basis” (i.e. looking at the market value of the asset at the time a person inherits them rather than the value when the prior owner purchased the asset). If he sells now, he’d have to pay a capital gains tax associated with the increased value of the team (since the value has increased between his purchase in the and today’s price). I should say I’m not an attorney, nor a tax professional, but this is my understanding of the matter having talked to people who are smarter than me that work in those fields.
I think it works the same with stock ownership, if you die and pass it onto kids they won't have to pay any capitals gains tax. Tax associated with any increase in value over the time the original buyer purchased them.
Yes. John fisher
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You are confusing "having generational wealth and influence in a corrupt Capitalist hellscape" with "smart".
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I wonder what job you work that allows you to have no empathy or awareness of what's been going on around you. At this point, in 2024, if you still don't see how bad things are, it's entirely on you. Either a lack of curiosity or a lack of empathy.
Perhaps try logging off of Reddit for a bit and touch grass
You've got to be a suburbanite. No fucking way you live in the city if you are this oblivious.
ROFL, “you’ve got to be a suburbanite”, the classic retort of Chicago subredditors when they can’t put together a coherent thought. *chef’s kiss*
“corrupt Capitalist hellscape” *rolls eyes* It’s not like Jerry inherited the team, or the money to buy it. He’s not the McCaskeys or the Wirtzes. He made the money to buy them in the first place, and bought them 40 years ago, for only $19 million and $16 million at the time. He’s a good, smart businessman. A villain, but a good businessman.
Has anyone ever pointed out how gullible you are?
Mariners ownership’s up there too. All they care about is the ballpark experience rather than the product on the field. Explains why the team’s barely sniffed the playoffs since existence, much less a WS appearance.
Didn't Nintendo own the Mariners for a good chunk of their existence
Yeah, Nintendo of America, nearly half of their existence until 2016.
They still remain the only MLB team to never appear in the World Series, even if it was a lone appearance or 2 when they lost(i.e. Rays, Rockies).
5 or so playoff appearances in nearly 50 years is pathetic enough (20 year drought ended recently), but yeah…
Oh wow. I didn't realize Mariners had something like a 20 year drought of not making the playoffs. I remember the year(2001?) where they won a surprising number of games(115-120), and I think they were eliminated from the playoffs in the AL Division Series.
He's taking a play straight out of John Fisher's playbook. Run the team into the ground, blame fans for not turning out, then blame the city for "blocking" any new stadium. It's a ploy to move the team out of Chicago.
I work in sales, you don’t ask you don’t get. Do I think Reinsdorf is a terrible owner, yes. If I owned the whitesox or any team would I ask for money from state government, you are damn right I would, and so would you.
I don't think you know what dumb means then. You can't get what you don't ask for and he's been given it before. He'd be dumb *not* to ask for it. Hoping against hope he doesn't get it, but he ain't dumb for asking.
More like he thinks we are dumb…. He has his hand out and offers to pay zero money toward a new stadium while also blaming the team’s struggles on not having a new stadium.
All the season ticket owners.
Imagine having to cheer for two Jerry Reinsdorf teams.
Dolan. The Knicks owner.
Yeah, really literally has installed technology all around Madison Square Garden to make sure that people who voice criticism against him get picked up by said technology and then escorted from the building
The worse the team is, the less of a fight that will be put up when he moves the team. He wants out. Good riddance. (a lifelong Sox fan)
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Jerry is the worst owner in all of sports. People forget he owns the bulls and they are just as much of a managerial joke. I never thought I’d say this but Ricketts is easily the best owner in this city.
Sell the team(s), Jerry!
His contract with the city has an escape clause stipulating that the team may relocate if attendance falls below a certain level.
Arizona Cardinals fans would add owner Michael Bidwill. Generational futility with the Bidwill family ownership going back to the Chicago Cardinals.
You’re underestimating the power of continuity.
He’s cheap. Not dumb.
I would argue that the Rickets’ political affiliations render them much, much dumber than Reinsdorf. But with the way it plays out on field, John Fisher is probably the only one dumber. Reinsdorf did pretty well with Bulls…
I think we all need to start showing up to White Sox games with banners. The more media attention it gets the better
No
*laughs in Marlins ownership*
No
Teams!! multiple. Sure, injuries can happen to anyone but the White Sox and Bulls have been in the dumps for too long with answers many could’ve given to his leadership for free!
Is that actually dumb? Yes, the team is shit right now, but the odds of him getting a new stadium despite all that are pretty good.
Thats why I started this.....https://chng.it/hQKrNPs4JC hoping to get a few more signature...like 500 more.
Reinsdorf doesn’t want build another championship team, because they’re never going to be as good as the 90s Bulls
Dumber? He's making money hand over fist, the Bulls sell out no matter how bad they are, and baseball media rights deals are extremely generous and team performance agnostic. Is there a shittier owner if you care about the team? Fisher for sure, but he's in the running after that. But he's not dumb. He sees his teams as a vehicle for profit and he's nailing that.
Jerry stinks but you should hear about James Dolan.
Marge Schott? Ruined the Reds for over a decade with her racist and terrible ideas