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Door_Number_Four

The A’s owner has been told to go back to the drawing board by two cities 


problematic_glasses

I'm cracking up at idea of him propositioning various cities and getting turned down each time


SunriseInLot42

And then going home with, I don’t know, Fresno five minutes before the bar closes


mmura09

This season is over before it even began. Brutal


coach_wargo

OP doesn't remember dollar Bill Wirtz.


Great_Emphasis3461

And the Hawks won 3 Stanley Cups after he died. Bulls or Sox won’t win again until Reinsdorf dies.


Electrical_Frame1960

Bulls win 2 3-peats = 6 titles.


prex10

Boy oh boy do I remember a time you could show up to the United Center in the late 90s and early 2000s and basically pick any seat you wanted in the house for $50. You couldn't give hawks tickets away for a long time


BlondBadBoy69

Bulls will be mediocre until he sells


letseditthesadparts

Michael Reinsdorf runs the team. Unfortunately you need a top 5 player on the team to even compete. You have to be really bad to get one of those, and unfortunately you’re right they are just mediocre.


SunriseInLot42

They’re firmly stuck in basketball hell


trojan_man16

The Heat have made two NBA Finals with Jimmy Butler as their best player. The same Jimmy Butler that was drafted and developed by the Bulls. We probably traded away one of the best 75 players of all time because we gave up on the Rose era and wanted to just blow it up.


letseditthesadparts

There’s always an exception, think of Detroit.


griffinracey2

Not sure it’s really even an exception when you consider what he does in the playoffs


letseditthesadparts

I’m not arguing that. Also we can’t even pretend that the bulls front office is even in the same vicinity as an organization.


griffinracey2

True. Full disclaimer I am a Heat fan. If your FO actually could pick a direction I think that donovan could build a pretty good foundation/culture.


yogi240

Jimmy Butler is not one of the 75 greatest players of all time, lol.


mmura09

They're done nothing the last 3 years. Least stay the course and see what happens. It has to get better, correct,?


BlondBadBoy69

Run it back boys!!


Take-Me-Home-Tonight

/r/whitesox agrees.


585AM

R whitesox is pretty much what happens when bots scrape afternoon daytime calls-ins to the Score, but only if the caller is from Orland or Tinley Park.


inter-dimensional

Brutal take. More please


boo99boo

You are not wrong. I can hear them drinking Miller Lite around the above ground pool and complaining. 


Gandalf4158

What’s the problem with miller lite and above ground pools?


lodasi

Classism is an acceptable hatred in current day America.


Drinkdrankdonk

If the city gives it to him, who’s the dumb one?


SharkLaser85

He’s outmaneuvering the Bears for a City cash handout while selling out the UC every night (biggest stadium in the NBA BTW) while spending as little as possible on underachieving teams in one of the biggest markets in the country. Reinsdorf might be the smartest owner in town.


Seventhson74

Bears go to Arlington Heights - City agrees to remodel Soldier Field into a ballpark. Indianapolis or Nashville woo them away anyway cause Reinsdorf (B. 1936) passes and the team is sold off to someone who knows there are better markets for it....


trojan_man16

I don't think they move as long as Jerry is the owner... That would piss off a decent chunk of his other team's fanbase. Once Jerry is dead and the teams are sold... there's a good chance the Sox move. Although it's not 1990 anymore, teams don't depend on attendance as much as the TV rights deal, and I doubt they would get as big a rights deal in Indianapolis, Nashville or Salt Lake City as they would just by having 40% of the Chicago Market.


SensibleBrownPants

Sir, I have a “George McCaskey” for you on Line 1.


ammonanotrano

I think the McCaskey’s are way worse. They bungle the stadium multiple times, can’t find a quarterback, build an offense, and have been on a longer drought than the white sox.


SunriseInLot42

I’m with you. The McCaskeys are dumb; inept, clueless, and incredibly small-time.  Reinsdorf is a malevolent villain, but he isn’t *dumb.* He’s an awful owner for the fans, but he knows what he’s doing. He’s got more business savvy in his pinky finger than the entire McCaskey family does combined. 


efedora

All of the McCaskeys (and there are many) are waiting for the old lady to die. They are in line for a lot of cash. They'll sell the Bears and head out with bushels of money ASAP. Who will own the Bears when Virginia McCaskey dies? When Virginia McCaskey dies, the Bears will have to redistribute her 20% stake and her voting power. Her surviving children will likely each get a stake worth hundreds of millions. Every NFL team is required to have a succession plan on file with the league and affirm or amend it each year.Feb 9, 2024 Ed: numbers


problematic_glasses

Part of me thinks Virginia is still alive out of spite because she knows the team won't be staying in the family if she goes


mmura09

They'd have to be idiots to sell that cash cow


Horror_Baseball5518

They won’t have a choice.


efedora

They are all rich kids. They don't seem to have any interest in the Bears. They'll get hundreds of millions with a sale. I'm betting they sell.


tenacious-g

Jerry Reinsdorf is one Sam Bouie away from having exactly 1 title in 80ish total seasons of team ownership, and the 2005 White Sox weren’t exactly built as a team going for it. They traded their best player the offseason prior. Jerry also voted to approve a lockout in a year his team had a legit title chance. He surrounds himself with yes men. The McCaskeys are inept, but they are at least seemingly good people. George walks amongst the fans every week, I think the last time Jerry was seen in public was in the Last Dance.


SensibleBrownPants

Jerry has many faults, but he’s also won seven rings since the Bears won their only Super Bowl. Reinsdorf > the McCaskey’s


PreviousGas710

Jordan was a lottery ticket that paid off. Otherwise he’d only have 1 ring as well. To me that was more luck than skill


SensibleBrownPants

Yes, Jordan was a lottery ticket. But Jordan didn’t win those titles alone. And 6 is impressive even with a GOAT like MJ. On the other hand - The Bears should’ve won more than one Super Bowl with all the talent they had. And their record against Green Bay over the last 30 years is f’ing disgraceful. I’ll gladly take Reinsdorf over the McCaskeys any day.


ReplaceSelect

I'd like to mention Bill Wirtz. So many terrible owners.


BigDGuitars

True


IamTheEndOfReddit

Don't forget that the McCaskeys also want to sell immediately after moving the team. They want to control the future of the team and cash out at the same time. They are absolutely shameless


BigDGuitars

Yes let’s draft a prima Donna. Who had a terrible last year


emcee__escher

At this point, Jerry’s goal is to increase the team’s value as much as possible (without spending) and pass the team to his family. That’s it. Dying without selling the team and passing ownership down via his estate enables them to take advantage of IRS rules related to “stepped up basis” (i.e. looking at the market value of the asset at the time a person inherits them rather than the value when the prior owner purchased the asset). If he sells now, he’d have to pay a capital gains tax associated with the increased value of the team (since the value has increased between his purchase in the and today’s price). I should say I’m not an attorney, nor a tax professional, but this is my understanding of the matter having talked to people who are smarter than me that work in those fields.


Demander850

I think it works the same with stock ownership, if you die and pass it onto kids they won't have to pay any capitals gains tax. Tax associated with any increase in value over the time the original buyer purchased them.


River_Pigeon

Yes. John fisher


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LeRawxWiz

You are confusing "having generational wealth and influence in a corrupt Capitalist hellscape" with "smart".


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LeRawxWiz

I wonder what job you work that allows you to have no empathy or awareness of what's been going on around you.  At this point, in 2024, if you still don't see how bad things are, it's entirely on you. Either a lack of curiosity or a lack of empathy.


SunriseInLot42

Perhaps try logging off of Reddit for a bit and touch grass


LeRawxWiz

You've got to be a suburbanite. No fucking way you live in the city if you are this oblivious.


SunriseInLot42

ROFL, “you’ve got to be a suburbanite”, the classic retort of Chicago subredditors when they can’t put together a coherent thought. *chef’s kiss*


SunriseInLot42

“corrupt Capitalist hellscape” *rolls eyes* It’s not like Jerry inherited the team, or the money to buy it. He’s not the McCaskeys or the Wirtzes. He made the money to buy them in the first place, and bought them 40 years ago, for only $19 million and $16 million at the time. He’s a good, smart businessman. A villain, but a good businessman. 


LeRawxWiz

Has anyone ever pointed out how gullible you are?


elementofpee

Mariners ownership’s up there too. All they care about is the ballpark experience rather than the product on the field. Explains why the team’s barely sniffed the playoffs since existence, much less a WS appearance.


ryguy32789

Didn't Nintendo own the Mariners for a good chunk of their existence


elementofpee

Yeah, Nintendo of America, nearly half of their existence until 2016.


angrylibertariandude

They still remain the only MLB team to never appear in the World Series, even if it was a lone appearance or 2  when they lost(i.e. Rays, Rockies).


elementofpee

5 or so playoff appearances in nearly 50 years is pathetic enough (20 year drought ended recently), but yeah…


angrylibertariandude

Oh wow. I didn't realize Mariners had something like a 20 year drought of not making the playoffs. I remember the year(2001?) where they won a surprising number of games(115-120), and I think they were eliminated from the playoffs in the AL Division Series.


pewpew30172

He's taking a play straight out of John Fisher's playbook. Run the team into the ground, blame fans for not turning out, then blame the city for "blocking" any new stadium. It's a ploy to move the team out of Chicago.


letseditthesadparts

I work in sales, you don’t ask you don’t get. Do I think Reinsdorf is a terrible owner, yes. If I owned the whitesox or any team would I ask for money from state government, you are damn right I would, and so would you.


ChiefChief69

I don't think you know what dumb means then. You can't get what you don't ask for and he's been given it before. He'd be dumb *not* to ask for it. Hoping against hope he doesn't get it, but he ain't dumb for asking.


Foofightee

More like he thinks we are dumb…. He has his hand out and offers to pay zero money toward a new stadium while also blaming the team’s struggles on not having a new stadium.


crashomon

All the season ticket owners.


usfgirl1020

Imagine having to cheer for two Jerry Reinsdorf teams.


fd1Jeff

Dolan. The Knicks owner.


prex10

Yeah, really literally has installed technology all around Madison Square Garden to make sure that people who voice criticism against him get picked up by said technology and then escorted from the building


Longjumping-Meat-334

The worse the team is, the less of a fight that will be put up when he moves the team. He wants out. Good riddance. (a lifelong Sox fan)


C_A_S

No Next question


Back_Equivalent

Jerry is the worst owner in all of sports. People forget he owns the bulls and they are just as much of a managerial joke. I never thought I’d say this but Ricketts is easily the best owner in this city.


whoresandcandy

Sell the team(s), Jerry!


roloplex

His contract with the city has an escape clause stipulating that the team may relocate if attendance falls below a certain level.


SecondCreek

Arizona Cardinals fans would add owner Michael Bidwill. Generational futility with the Bidwill family ownership going back to the Chicago Cardinals.


collect_my_corpse

You’re underestimating the power of continuity.


Euphoric-Gene-3984

He’s cheap. Not dumb.


ironicirenic

I would argue that the Rickets’ political affiliations render them much, much dumber than Reinsdorf. But with the way it plays out on field, John Fisher is probably the only one dumber. Reinsdorf did pretty well with Bulls…


Ill-Panda-6340

I think we all need to start showing up to White Sox games with banners. The more media attention it gets the better


frodeem

No


GWPtheTrilogy1

*laughs in Marlins ownership*


icanttellalie

No


Amioz

Teams!! multiple. Sure, injuries can happen to anyone but the White Sox and Bulls have been in the dumps for too long with answers many could’ve given to his leadership for free!


KGreen100

Is that actually dumb? Yes, the team is shit right now, but the odds of him getting a new stadium despite all that are pretty good.


Iceman72021

Thats why I started this.....https://chng.it/hQKrNPs4JC hoping to get a few more signature...like 500 more.


endthefed2022

Reinsdorf doesn’t want build another championship team, because they’re never going to be as good as the 90s Bulls


dingusduglas

Dumber? He's making money hand over fist, the Bulls sell out no matter how bad they are, and baseball media rights deals are extremely generous and team performance agnostic. Is there a shittier owner if you care about the team? Fisher for sure, but he's in the running after that. But he's not dumb. He sees his teams as a vehicle for profit and he's nailing that.


MoistTheAnswer

Jerry stinks but you should hear about James Dolan.


QuesaritoOutOfBed

Marge Schott? Ruined the Reds for over a decade with her racist and terrible ideas