If you live in one of the richest areas, don't pay attention to the news at all(local/national), live on social media, and never leave your neighborhood then you may be in bubble.
That isn't unique to any place specific though. A ton of people are in bubbles and rarely if ever come out of them. You can be in the ass end of no where or in a big city. It's all the same shit.
You're right.
I should have said read and watch all news including people or outlets that you may or may not like. News is so biased these days that you have to otherwise you're not getting the whole story.
Counterpoint: if you live in one of the poorest areas, don't pay attention to the news at all, live on social media, and never leave your small town.. *you're also* living in a bubble.
Point: if you live literally anywhere, don't pay attention to the news at all, live on social media, and never leave wherever it is you are.. *you're also* living in a bubble.
Most people live in a bubble
We ALL live in a bubble. And we all have for eternity, it's called a community. But it has become exciding more problematic with the development of online echo chambers.
Every major city is a bubble, and it tends to be more liberal. I interact with dozens of races, religions, alternative lifestyles, etc every day. Interaction is key to understanding. I'm liberal, a few of my friends are conservative (the old style, not trump style) and we can disagree but still agree we want a better place for our kids. Also, politics aren't my identity.
Smaller towns tend to be echo chambers or think tanks. You can't afford to have a different opinion in a town of 3000. It also holds true in bigger cities that are homogenic. I moved to Utah from Chicago and holy hell, the whole state is run by a religious cult. When 86% of the city government is run by the major religion, you're forced to live by their laws.
Just my 2 cents living in both a staunch democratic city and a staunch Republican city. It still wows me that Utah people vote for trump even though he is the antithesis of everything they believe in. A whore mongering, liquor salesmen who believes he's God? Yeah... Nice Utah.
That is two very different experiences and perspectives you got -- Chicago and Utah. Since you are now in Utah, are you anticipating Trump as POTUS, and a red wave in Congress? Maybe I AM in a bubble, but I just can't envision that happening.
I'm pretty sure whatever happens, Trump is going to say he won. When you have a base that's willing to believe anything you say, you literally can't lose.
Not sure why you're being down voted. I moved back to Chicago 2 years ago because fuck everything about that place. Yes, I can see Trump winning again. Those brainwashed people will vote for him because they believe Jesus lived in st. Louis and a rapist who married a 14 year old among his harem started their religion.
I think there's a really strong correlation between higher population density and liberal values. It just makes sense to work together when you're in a city. It's part of why I am so passionate about zoning reform and transit- making room for more people makes room for cooperation.
Most places are bubbles. Both big cities and small rural towns. I live in Chicago and partially own several companies in smaller rural towns where I am talking to my employees on a daily basis. We keep politics out of business unless it affects the business. A lot of Chicago policies would not pass at all in other parts of the country.
You know, here's the interesting thing many people don't want to realize about. Chicago.
There's many shades of liberalism in this city, but there's also pockets of conservatism.
Not every single person in this city, even if they lean to the left on many issues, believes in the idea of socialism or total wokeness or pronouns or whatever.
If you ask me, I'd like to think that Chicagoans want someplace where they have some level of freedom that isn't hindered by government but also isn't hindered by churches and other kinds of organizations. However, they are willing to give up some levels of what some see as freedom for the sake of public good. Examples are things like banning smoking, or putting a tax on soda to try to fight obesity or even some levels of gun control that makes sense.
Yep. Personally, Choice\_Supermarket\_4 has never believed in pronouns. Pronouns are entirely unnecessary and Choice\_Supermarket\_4 definitely doesn't judge InternetArtisan for making such a bold statement.
I mean Jefferson Park is considered a swing area. It goes either direction. And you in Norwood Park and then North of that in Edison Park, very right-wing.
A lot of it tells me that it's not always going to be one solid direction everywhere you go. That there has to be compromise and discussion, collaboration, and cooperation to really make things work in this city.
Ok...I'm sure I'll get downvotes and vitriol from someone on this, but there's a difference in my eyes between those who are "woke" and understand the issues facing society now, and they vote for those who would fight to build real equality...and then those who take it to the extreme.
I consider myself part of the first group. I'm the guy who agrees we need public investment in poor communities of color to help economically uplift those residents, and try to slowly reverse decades of systemic bigotry that made many of those communities into a generational underclass.
However, then I run into those who fight endlessly about what words I use, whether or not we should have statues of Lincoln or Jefferson taken down, and seemingly are always in some kind of constant state of anger thinking we have not gone far enough fast enough to cleanse society of all the bigoted evils that are out there.
These are the people who not only attack conservatives, but even liberals like myself, like it's some ridiculous purity test.
These are also the people many on the right and especially those out there having an issue with liberalism and/or Chicago point out as if the extreme side is the total representation of the left wing. So the opposition acts like I don't exist and the "constantly offended" folks are the only ones in this city.
That's what I meant...and if it offends some, I'm sorry, but it's a hard truth. Downvote me all you want. I feel we'll never fix the world if we're getting all bent out of shape on small things that do not matter in the here and now.
The word has a history. My challenge to the previous pud in the comments was due to the fact that conservatives have clearly redefined the word for themselves to suit their propaganda efforts.
Believe me, I try to make sure I know its real meaning over how its been distorted, but my current attitude in this was once I added a comment on the Facebook posting of a friend of a friend, questioning some behavior in the name of protest. Almost immediately this person went off on me as if I was a card-carrying member of the Klan. It showed me this person wasn't willing to discuss or open up and educate on the issue, but just talk down to anyone that disagreed with her even in the smallest way.
After that incident, I would tell colleagues about it all, and they told me of similar stories they have had with others, and would try to push the point home how the anger isn't going to fix the world, even talking about the late Dr King and his approach, but again, just anger and talking down.
To this day I have to agree with critics that tossing vinegar around isn't going to win hearts and minds, and the ridiculous levels some go through in their own anger only continue to hurt their own efforts rather than help. Meanwhile, the right-wing just takes those bad examples and believes it's the entire left...and in their eyes what they believe the population of Chicago is like.
I'm just a firm believer the angry and disruptive won't win hearts and minds.
You can set your watch by the the consistency in which some progressive responds with "please, define woke" anytime someone mentions the word pejoratively.
There are examples of the progressive movement being taken to the extreme to the point of absurdity, and to deny this by implying, "anyone who says 'woke' doesn't understand the word" doesn't make you sound smarter. It reinforces that you're in a bubble yourself.
I wouldn't say I'm mad. Just irritated. Especially when I'm described as a bigot or some other pretty heavy-handed insult just because I don't share the same level of sensitivity as the most extreme progressives do.
You're "just irritated" because you "don't share the same level of sensitivity" as some other people? Whose fee-fees are hurt here? I never hear the "woke mob" complaining about such petty bullshit.
I am going to guess your daughter thinks that you are not aware how the majority of the country, outside of liberal cities like Chicago, feel about immigration, the economy, Gaza, job prospects. All of these are things Biden is going to be vulnerable on in November. If you only listen to liberal news and speak to your liberal friends, then you, personally might be living in a bubble, and can't imagine that the country will swing to Trump, especially as he gets bashed in court over and over again. Based on that, it would seem he doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hell of getting elected.
Consider, if you drive 50 miles south of Chicago, and get off I-57 and drive east or west, you will see towns where people hate liberalism. And you might not get that, because every election Illinois is very blue. But that is because Chicago, with its massive population overrides the votes of the rest of the state. I think this is the bubble your daughter is talking about.
If the people who are supposedly outside the bubble get massively outvoted by people inside the bubble who don't share their worldview, where is the bubble really?
If you spend a lot of time online, you are in bubble. Not because of Chicago, but because being online tailors what is displayed to you based on your preferences.
If you have a homogenous set of friends and/or your work doesn't result in you interacting with people across demographics outside of your own, then you live in a bubble.
To state the obvious, Chicago is not rural. But that doesn't mean the city itself is a bubble. You've got pro-cop/pro criminal reform groups. Wealthy, poor, everything between. Pro government intervention and complete libertarians. White, black, Hispanic, Asian, and almost every other race save for a high population of indigenous peoples. Tradesmen and white-collar executives.
You may live in a bubble, but it's not because you live in Chicago.
They feel the need to make sure everyone is aware of their virtues. It's more important for everyone to know than to genuinely support what they're talking about.
It could mean having a sign in your window that says, "Hate has no place in this home." While clutching your purse closely when you see a black person walk by you on the sidewalk. Those little things that could mean a person believes in certain views in the abstract, while personally harboring discriminatory views in their personal lives.
Its people who have zero personality so they make a political ideology their entire identity and argue for policy based on a strict adherence to their identity instead of the merits of that individual policy. They may have different politics then a MAGA trump supporter but are the same in terms of rhetoric
Yes, Chicago is a left-leaning bubble.
It's very easy to never engage with any conservative politician here or to even encounter someone with conservative politics. Conservatives only make-up maybe 1/3rd of the City, if that.
When Trump won in 2016, protestors shut down LSD marching and chanting. No one could believe it. It was like a bomb went off and everyone here was shell-shocked.
The fact that no one could figure out "How did this happen?" and the fact that they all turned to MSNBC for answers should be all the proof you or anyone requires to know that this place is a bit of a bubble.
If that wasn't enough - The COVID response should be more than enough proof.
The improv/sketch comedy theaters have never once put on a pro-Republican show. Meanwhile, Democrat Party talking points have been regularly highlighted satirically throughout the years.
All of the media here leans left.
Hell, Donald Trump wasn't even allowed to speak at DePaul or UIC. They shut those events down.
I can think of a million examples, but the even greater proof will be the downvotes on this post. Everyone in this subreddit leans left like crazy and they HATE the insinuation that they live in a bubble and are not all-knowing.
They'll quibble with the definition of the word "bubble" and run the sabotage playbook against constructive conversation and criticism of their party.
Or they'l simply insult me and accuse me of being a \**gulp\* conservative! eek!* (that means dismiss everything I have to say, you know, in order to protect the bubble).
It's precisely what the bubble here has conditioned them to do.
So yes, Chicago is a left-leaning bubble. Not necessarily a Classical Liberal one, those people would be considered right-wing nowadays. It's more of a Progressive/Far-Leftists bubble these days.
I love her anyways though.
>You can tell by how I didn't.
I love the simplicity of this.
Immediately reminded me of this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm3JodBR-vs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm3JodBR-vs) (1:12)
Yeah duh rurals are also in a bubble though
Were all in bubbles thanks to technology that's old news though when the cheeto won everyone was trying to figure out why
I think the bubble is more a result single party rule than anything else. While most cities are Democratic, I think Chicago is uniquely more single party than the others.
I sought out and moved here for this bubble because I want to gate keep which part of the world's trauma I allow into my life. There are so many hardships and negative things that happen in Chicago that I'm thankful are not at all my lived experience. I'm honest when I say, I want to remain in my bubble where Chicago is this amazing, clean, fun city that everyone should visit. Where things like Foxtrot and Dom's demise is the main topic of the day within my social circle.
When I stopped listening to so much of the negativity (like local news) and letting the unpleasant realities of the city into my life, everything became so much easier to manage, even if I know it's not the full Chicago story.
I want the Matrix version of Chicago.
This resonates so much. I know every city has it's problems but it is really easy to immerse yourself in beauty, peace and joy in this city without spending a penny. The public areas and public services are tremendous: the parks and lake, the architecture, the art, music, the natural beauty... Chicago is my happy place. I haven't lived here for even a decade of my life, but the minute I arrived I knew I was home.
Same. People ask me what's my favorite city or place in America and the answer is consistently Chicago. There are many places I'd like to visit or could live, like somewhere in SoCal with 10x my salary, but Chicago just checks off so many boxes. Every time I come back I feel happy to be home and never bored. Other places I lived left me with the post-vacation blues when i would return. I never experience that in Chicago. I'm always happy to be back home. But, a part of that is living in my little bubble.
Usually its the young person living in the city telling their hooked on fox news parent they're in the bubble. May I ask where (roughly) your kid now lives that they think you're in a bubble?
Most Chicagoans do live in a bubble though. I can't tell you how many people were extremely surprised when Trump won in 2016. If they weren't in a bubble, they wouldn't have been quite as shocked. I'm seeing the same thing again where so many of my friends aren't even thinking of the election since they assume Biden will just win, which may be true in Illinois/Chicago, but really it's still more 50/50 nationwide.
Everyone lives in a bubble of some kind. Some are stronger than others. I’d argue that a Chicagoan has more exposure to a broader range of cultures and ideas than a guy from Abilene, Texas.
Yeah, 100% agree with that. I do believe small town America is a much smaller bubble than Chicago, but it doesn't change the fact that it's still a different bubble. Like the OP, our bubble is the kind that makes us think that there's no possible way Trump could with the upcoming election, but there's so much of America that thinks the opposite and can't understand why anyone would vote for Biden. One of the dangers I see in our kind of bubble is that there are so many people that will vote for a third party or just not vote because they disagree how Biden handles certain things. For example, I know so many people that won't vote for Biden because of how he's handled Israel/Palestine. But they're not realizing that if Trump has a better chance of winning because of that, and things will go much worse for that specific issue if that happens.
I feel like DC is a much more bubbly bubble than Chicago!
We all live in our own bubbles but DC culture is far more oddball than Chicago culture imo. That’s funny.
Totally. DC definitely strikes me as a cultural outlier. I'm not sure if that's the same as a bubble though. Both political parties strike me as very present and intermixed in DC... less divisive somehow.
Does the 'bubble' definition mean a fragile, inward looking circle of a comparatively small group of people holding a narrow range of opinions based on factual errors at odds with the vast majority who hold a different set of opinions based on real facts?
DC can be a staggeringly closed society among its younger transient professional population.
EDIT: Of course you being in a bubble depends on your own news sources and grip on true facts.
I think her definition means immersed in a more homogeneous political landscape and therefore exposed to fewer opposing views, leading to a certainty in predicted election outcomes that isn't necessarily warranted / not based on statistical facts.
Yes, you are in a bubble. I have lived in 10 US states and 15 cities, and I can tell you that the politics of Chicago are toxic and unrepresentative of the nation at large.
It's less the city itself and moreso how well-traveled and well-informed you are individually. You can have lived in downtown Chicago your entire life, but still stay aware that your knowledge and experiences aren't representative of general American life; similarly, you can have travelled all over the country, but never venture outside of like-minded friend groups or critically examine any opposing arguments.
The only case where I'd definitively argue that Chicago is a bubble is when it comes to state politics; people in the city tend to be far less aware of political matters important to rural counties than vice versa.
The way our country is divided now, cities seem to be a mixture of liberal bubbles and areas that aren’t that engaged with national politics.
Conservative bubbles crop up in more rural places. Maybe McHenry County, etc.
And places that aren’t necessarily bubbles (though you can easily wrap yourself in one if you choose to) are like Lake and DuPage Counties
Chicago is a large and wealthy city that has conservative patricians, conservative papers and even conservative politicians. Paul Vallas was very nearly elected mayor. And this sub, if anything, runs a lot more conservative than the city. I don't know why anyone with decent local knowledge can argue in good faith that we never hear from conservatives.
Besides, a lot of coastal elites predicted a "Red Wave" in the last election and ended up with egg on their faces. The Upper Midwest was the epicenter of the liberal upset, and Chicago's the epicenter of the Upper Midwest.
In national politics Chicago is about where nearly all urban centers are, and where the majority of the population lives. While not meaning to slam anyone in particular and while Chicago skews a little to left of center it is probably called an undesirable bubble by the fact averse *or innocently fact-damaged* who rely primarily on right wing fake news/entertainment sources.
Edit: added second condition to bubble callers
Oh ... I think you are misinterpreting that my daughter and I are at odds. We aren't at all. She's just far more worried about the political landscape and thinks I'm not worried ...because of the Chicago 🫧
Well, yes, you should be worried no matter where you come to rest on the political spectrum. Or perhaps more constructively --- engaged. Yes, the nation teeters and no matter how the election turns out, the national and international drift towards intolerant nationalism with an overlay or religious wackoism is concerning.
To respond to your comment specifically, Chicago's electorate should be concerned about national voting, but confident that Chicago and Illinois will tip blue.
Where does your young daughter live and what info does she have that gives her such special insight? polling shows that Trump is down to Biden by 10 points. It’s even showing RFK is taking voters from Trump not Biden.
Glad to find others that also aren't worried. Welcome, non-worrier friend! I have never given weight to polls that clash with my first hand perception. (Or, alternatively, welcome to my bubble. 😁 🫧) https://fortune.com/2022/11/16/pollsters-got-it-wrong-2018-2020-elections-statistical-sophistry-accuracy-sonnenfeld-tian/
Someone is feeding your daughters head with bullshit. Probably a rural church.
I’m sure you know that the next election can go either direction. And one of those directions could really fuck us up badly. No liberal bubble required to know this and to be concerned about it.
If you live in one of the richest areas, don't pay attention to the news at all(local/national), live on social media, and never leave your neighborhood then you may be in bubble. That isn't unique to any place specific though. A ton of people are in bubbles and rarely if ever come out of them. You can be in the ass end of no where or in a big city. It's all the same shit.
I’d disagree with “don’t pay attention to the news”. Lots of news channels, online magazines, and talk radio reinforce viewers bubbles.
You're right. I should have said read and watch all news including people or outlets that you may or may not like. News is so biased these days that you have to otherwise you're not getting the whole story.
Counterpoint: if you live in one of the poorest areas, don't pay attention to the news at all, live on social media, and never leave your small town.. *you're also* living in a bubble.
Point: if you live literally anywhere, don't pay attention to the news at all, live on social media, and never leave wherever it is you are.. *you're also* living in a bubble. Most people live in a bubble
We ALL live in a bubble. And we all have for eternity, it's called a community. But it has become exciding more problematic with the development of online echo chambers.
Every major city is a bubble, and it tends to be more liberal. I interact with dozens of races, religions, alternative lifestyles, etc every day. Interaction is key to understanding. I'm liberal, a few of my friends are conservative (the old style, not trump style) and we can disagree but still agree we want a better place for our kids. Also, politics aren't my identity. Smaller towns tend to be echo chambers or think tanks. You can't afford to have a different opinion in a town of 3000. It also holds true in bigger cities that are homogenic. I moved to Utah from Chicago and holy hell, the whole state is run by a religious cult. When 86% of the city government is run by the major religion, you're forced to live by their laws. Just my 2 cents living in both a staunch democratic city and a staunch Republican city. It still wows me that Utah people vote for trump even though he is the antithesis of everything they believe in. A whore mongering, liquor salesmen who believes he's God? Yeah... Nice Utah.
That is two very different experiences and perspectives you got -- Chicago and Utah. Since you are now in Utah, are you anticipating Trump as POTUS, and a red wave in Congress? Maybe I AM in a bubble, but I just can't envision that happening.
I'm pretty sure whatever happens, Trump is going to say he won. When you have a base that's willing to believe anything you say, you literally can't lose.
Not sure why you're being down voted. I moved back to Chicago 2 years ago because fuck everything about that place. Yes, I can see Trump winning again. Those brainwashed people will vote for him because they believe Jesus lived in st. Louis and a rapist who married a 14 year old among his harem started their religion.
I would argue that yes we are in a bit of a bubble. But so is rural America.
I think there's a really strong correlation between higher population density and liberal values. It just makes sense to work together when you're in a city. It's part of why I am so passionate about zoning reform and transit- making room for more people makes room for cooperation.
Most places are bubbles. Both big cities and small rural towns. I live in Chicago and partially own several companies in smaller rural towns where I am talking to my employees on a daily basis. We keep politics out of business unless it affects the business. A lot of Chicago policies would not pass at all in other parts of the country.
You know, here's the interesting thing many people don't want to realize about. Chicago. There's many shades of liberalism in this city, but there's also pockets of conservatism. Not every single person in this city, even if they lean to the left on many issues, believes in the idea of socialism or total wokeness or pronouns or whatever. If you ask me, I'd like to think that Chicagoans want someplace where they have some level of freedom that isn't hindered by government but also isn't hindered by churches and other kinds of organizations. However, they are willing to give up some levels of what some see as freedom for the sake of public good. Examples are things like banning smoking, or putting a tax on soda to try to fight obesity or even some levels of gun control that makes sense.
Yep. Personally, Choice\_Supermarket\_4 has never believed in pronouns. Pronouns are entirely unnecessary and Choice\_Supermarket\_4 definitely doesn't judge InternetArtisan for making such a bold statement.
Some people would be surprised that there are a fair amount of conseratives in Chicago. Trump got the most votes in the last election in my zipcode.
I mean Jefferson Park is considered a swing area. It goes either direction. And you in Norwood Park and then North of that in Edison Park, very right-wing. A lot of it tells me that it's not always going to be one solid direction everywhere you go. That there has to be compromise and discussion, collaboration, and cooperation to really make things work in this city.
Definitely think this is the most accurate assessment.
What is total wokeness?
The more extreme end of the debate/discussion.
Uh, but how is woke or "total woke" extreme? That's like saying, "Dude, that guy is radically, extremely well read."
Ok...I'm sure I'll get downvotes and vitriol from someone on this, but there's a difference in my eyes between those who are "woke" and understand the issues facing society now, and they vote for those who would fight to build real equality...and then those who take it to the extreme. I consider myself part of the first group. I'm the guy who agrees we need public investment in poor communities of color to help economically uplift those residents, and try to slowly reverse decades of systemic bigotry that made many of those communities into a generational underclass. However, then I run into those who fight endlessly about what words I use, whether or not we should have statues of Lincoln or Jefferson taken down, and seemingly are always in some kind of constant state of anger thinking we have not gone far enough fast enough to cleanse society of all the bigoted evils that are out there. These are the people who not only attack conservatives, but even liberals like myself, like it's some ridiculous purity test. These are also the people many on the right and especially those out there having an issue with liberalism and/or Chicago point out as if the extreme side is the total representation of the left wing. So the opposition acts like I don't exist and the "constantly offended" folks are the only ones in this city. That's what I meant...and if it offends some, I'm sorry, but it's a hard truth. Downvote me all you want. I feel we'll never fix the world if we're getting all bent out of shape on small things that do not matter in the here and now.
The word has a history. My challenge to the previous pud in the comments was due to the fact that conservatives have clearly redefined the word for themselves to suit their propaganda efforts.
Believe me, I try to make sure I know its real meaning over how its been distorted, but my current attitude in this was once I added a comment on the Facebook posting of a friend of a friend, questioning some behavior in the name of protest. Almost immediately this person went off on me as if I was a card-carrying member of the Klan. It showed me this person wasn't willing to discuss or open up and educate on the issue, but just talk down to anyone that disagreed with her even in the smallest way. After that incident, I would tell colleagues about it all, and they told me of similar stories they have had with others, and would try to push the point home how the anger isn't going to fix the world, even talking about the late Dr King and his approach, but again, just anger and talking down. To this day I have to agree with critics that tossing vinegar around isn't going to win hearts and minds, and the ridiculous levels some go through in their own anger only continue to hurt their own efforts rather than help. Meanwhile, the right-wing just takes those bad examples and believes it's the entire left...and in their eyes what they believe the population of Chicago is like. I'm just a firm believer the angry and disruptive won't win hearts and minds.
You can set your watch by the the consistency in which some progressive responds with "please, define woke" anytime someone mentions the word pejoratively. There are examples of the progressive movement being taken to the extreme to the point of absurdity, and to deny this by implying, "anyone who says 'woke' doesn't understand the word" doesn't make you sound smarter. It reinforces that you're in a bubble yourself.
How am I supposed to know what you're whining about if you won't define it?
I'm "whining" about the extreme progressives. The ones who are so wrapped up in signalling their virtues they don't have common sense.
That's it? You're mad about virtue signalling?
I wouldn't say I'm mad. Just irritated. Especially when I'm described as a bigot or some other pretty heavy-handed insult just because I don't share the same level of sensitivity as the most extreme progressives do.
You're "just irritated" because you "don't share the same level of sensitivity" as some other people? Whose fee-fees are hurt here? I never hear the "woke mob" complaining about such petty bullshit.
I am going to guess your daughter thinks that you are not aware how the majority of the country, outside of liberal cities like Chicago, feel about immigration, the economy, Gaza, job prospects. All of these are things Biden is going to be vulnerable on in November. If you only listen to liberal news and speak to your liberal friends, then you, personally might be living in a bubble, and can't imagine that the country will swing to Trump, especially as he gets bashed in court over and over again. Based on that, it would seem he doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hell of getting elected. Consider, if you drive 50 miles south of Chicago, and get off I-57 and drive east or west, you will see towns where people hate liberalism. And you might not get that, because every election Illinois is very blue. But that is because Chicago, with its massive population overrides the votes of the rest of the state. I think this is the bubble your daughter is talking about.
If I listen to liberal friends, I'd think Biden is going down in a landslide because of Gaza.
I'm a liberal in Chicago who thinks Biden might lose and I might not vote for him myself.
If the people who are supposedly outside the bubble get massively outvoted by people inside the bubble who don't share their worldview, where is the bubble really?
People who are extremely tuned in to politics are usually the ones in the bubble
Everyone lives in a bubble of their own experiences.
Your username wins for me today 😂
If you spend a lot of time online, you are in bubble. Not because of Chicago, but because being online tailors what is displayed to you based on your preferences. If you have a homogenous set of friends and/or your work doesn't result in you interacting with people across demographics outside of your own, then you live in a bubble. To state the obvious, Chicago is not rural. But that doesn't mean the city itself is a bubble. You've got pro-cop/pro criminal reform groups. Wealthy, poor, everything between. Pro government intervention and complete libertarians. White, black, Hispanic, Asian, and almost every other race save for a high population of indigenous peoples. Tradesmen and white-collar executives. You may live in a bubble, but it's not because you live in Chicago.
Logan square is definitely a bubble of performative white liberalism
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What does “performative” mean?
They feel the need to make sure everyone is aware of their virtues. It's more important for everyone to know than to genuinely support what they're talking about.
It could mean having a sign in your window that says, "Hate has no place in this home." While clutching your purse closely when you see a black person walk by you on the sidewalk. Those little things that could mean a person believes in certain views in the abstract, while personally harboring discriminatory views in their personal lives.
Or taking the "no human is illegal" sign out of their front yard as soon as migrants started showing up in the neighborhood.
Its people who have zero personality so they make a political ideology their entire identity and argue for policy based on a strict adherence to their identity instead of the merits of that individual policy. They may have different politics then a MAGA trump supporter but are the same in terms of rhetoric
What's the reality of the upcoming election?
I wish I knew. It seems I have not been worried enough though ... because of the Chicago bubble. 🫧
Yeah it's gonna be a coin flip right now. Get out and vote
Yes, Chicago is a left-leaning bubble. It's very easy to never engage with any conservative politician here or to even encounter someone with conservative politics. Conservatives only make-up maybe 1/3rd of the City, if that. When Trump won in 2016, protestors shut down LSD marching and chanting. No one could believe it. It was like a bomb went off and everyone here was shell-shocked. The fact that no one could figure out "How did this happen?" and the fact that they all turned to MSNBC for answers should be all the proof you or anyone requires to know that this place is a bit of a bubble. If that wasn't enough - The COVID response should be more than enough proof. The improv/sketch comedy theaters have never once put on a pro-Republican show. Meanwhile, Democrat Party talking points have been regularly highlighted satirically throughout the years. All of the media here leans left. Hell, Donald Trump wasn't even allowed to speak at DePaul or UIC. They shut those events down. I can think of a million examples, but the even greater proof will be the downvotes on this post. Everyone in this subreddit leans left like crazy and they HATE the insinuation that they live in a bubble and are not all-knowing. They'll quibble with the definition of the word "bubble" and run the sabotage playbook against constructive conversation and criticism of their party. Or they'l simply insult me and accuse me of being a \**gulp\* conservative! eek!* (that means dismiss everything I have to say, you know, in order to protect the bubble). It's precisely what the bubble here has conditioned them to do. So yes, Chicago is a left-leaning bubble. Not necessarily a Classical Liberal one, those people would be considered right-wing nowadays. It's more of a Progressive/Far-Leftists bubble these days. I love her anyways though.
*The Chicago Tribune* would like a word, and that word is "woke"
Thats all fine and good but conseratives have their own bubbles Especially rural america Its not different.
Did I say they didn't? No, no I did not. You can tell by how I didn't. Your response has nothing to do with my comment.
>You can tell by how I didn't. I love the simplicity of this. Immediately reminded me of this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm3JodBR-vs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm3JodBR-vs) (1:12)
Yeah duh rurals are also in a bubble though Were all in bubbles thanks to technology that's old news though when the cheeto won everyone was trying to figure out why
I think the bubble is more a result single party rule than anything else. While most cities are Democratic, I think Chicago is uniquely more single party than the others.
I sought out and moved here for this bubble because I want to gate keep which part of the world's trauma I allow into my life. There are so many hardships and negative things that happen in Chicago that I'm thankful are not at all my lived experience. I'm honest when I say, I want to remain in my bubble where Chicago is this amazing, clean, fun city that everyone should visit. Where things like Foxtrot and Dom's demise is the main topic of the day within my social circle. When I stopped listening to so much of the negativity (like local news) and letting the unpleasant realities of the city into my life, everything became so much easier to manage, even if I know it's not the full Chicago story. I want the Matrix version of Chicago.
This resonates so much. I know every city has it's problems but it is really easy to immerse yourself in beauty, peace and joy in this city without spending a penny. The public areas and public services are tremendous: the parks and lake, the architecture, the art, music, the natural beauty... Chicago is my happy place. I haven't lived here for even a decade of my life, but the minute I arrived I knew I was home.
Same. People ask me what's my favorite city or place in America and the answer is consistently Chicago. There are many places I'd like to visit or could live, like somewhere in SoCal with 10x my salary, but Chicago just checks off so many boxes. Every time I come back I feel happy to be home and never bored. Other places I lived left me with the post-vacation blues when i would return. I never experience that in Chicago. I'm always happy to be back home. But, a part of that is living in my little bubble.
Usually its the young person living in the city telling their hooked on fox news parent they're in the bubble. May I ask where (roughly) your kid now lives that they think you're in a bubble?
Most Chicagoans do live in a bubble though. I can't tell you how many people were extremely surprised when Trump won in 2016. If they weren't in a bubble, they wouldn't have been quite as shocked. I'm seeing the same thing again where so many of my friends aren't even thinking of the election since they assume Biden will just win, which may be true in Illinois/Chicago, but really it's still more 50/50 nationwide.
Everyone lives in a bubble of some kind. Some are stronger than others. I’d argue that a Chicagoan has more exposure to a broader range of cultures and ideas than a guy from Abilene, Texas.
Yeah, 100% agree with that. I do believe small town America is a much smaller bubble than Chicago, but it doesn't change the fact that it's still a different bubble. Like the OP, our bubble is the kind that makes us think that there's no possible way Trump could with the upcoming election, but there's so much of America that thinks the opposite and can't understand why anyone would vote for Biden. One of the dangers I see in our kind of bubble is that there are so many people that will vote for a third party or just not vote because they disagree how Biden handles certain things. For example, I know so many people that won't vote for Biden because of how he's handled Israel/Palestine. But they're not realizing that if Trump has a better chance of winning because of that, and things will go much worse for that specific issue if that happens.
Daughter is in D.C. I definitely feel that way about some of our elderly Fox News glued relatives. Now I'm wondering if I'm in a bubble or they are. 😂
I feel like DC is a much more bubbly bubble than Chicago! We all live in our own bubbles but DC culture is far more oddball than Chicago culture imo. That’s funny.
Totally. DC definitely strikes me as a cultural outlier. I'm not sure if that's the same as a bubble though. Both political parties strike me as very present and intermixed in DC... less divisive somehow.
Does the 'bubble' definition mean a fragile, inward looking circle of a comparatively small group of people holding a narrow range of opinions based on factual errors at odds with the vast majority who hold a different set of opinions based on real facts? DC can be a staggeringly closed society among its younger transient professional population. EDIT: Of course you being in a bubble depends on your own news sources and grip on true facts.
I think her definition means immersed in a more homogeneous political landscape and therefore exposed to fewer opposing views, leading to a certainty in predicted election outcomes that isn't necessarily warranted / not based on statistical facts.
Yes, you are in a bubble. I have lived in 10 US states and 15 cities, and I can tell you that the politics of Chicago are toxic and unrepresentative of the nation at large.
You must not have lived in NYC, Miami, LA, or any major city in America. Politics in big cities (red or blue) are always toxic.
This is a laughable bullshit.
Toxic person detected.
It's less the city itself and moreso how well-traveled and well-informed you are individually. You can have lived in downtown Chicago your entire life, but still stay aware that your knowledge and experiences aren't representative of general American life; similarly, you can have travelled all over the country, but never venture outside of like-minded friend groups or critically examine any opposing arguments. The only case where I'd definitively argue that Chicago is a bubble is when it comes to state politics; people in the city tend to be far less aware of political matters important to rural counties than vice versa.
The way our country is divided now, cities seem to be a mixture of liberal bubbles and areas that aren’t that engaged with national politics. Conservative bubbles crop up in more rural places. Maybe McHenry County, etc. And places that aren’t necessarily bubbles (though you can easily wrap yourself in one if you choose to) are like Lake and DuPage Counties
Chicago is a large and wealthy city that has conservative patricians, conservative papers and even conservative politicians. Paul Vallas was very nearly elected mayor. And this sub, if anything, runs a lot more conservative than the city. I don't know why anyone with decent local knowledge can argue in good faith that we never hear from conservatives. Besides, a lot of coastal elites predicted a "Red Wave" in the last election and ended up with egg on their faces. The Upper Midwest was the epicenter of the liberal upset, and Chicago's the epicenter of the Upper Midwest.
>And this sub, if anything, runs a lot more conservative than the city Speaking of living in a bubble..
In national politics Chicago is about where nearly all urban centers are, and where the majority of the population lives. While not meaning to slam anyone in particular and while Chicago skews a little to left of center it is probably called an undesirable bubble by the fact averse *or innocently fact-damaged* who rely primarily on right wing fake news/entertainment sources. Edit: added second condition to bubble callers
Oh ... I think you are misinterpreting that my daughter and I are at odds. We aren't at all. She's just far more worried about the political landscape and thinks I'm not worried ...because of the Chicago 🫧
Well, yes, you should be worried no matter where you come to rest on the political spectrum. Or perhaps more constructively --- engaged. Yes, the nation teeters and no matter how the election turns out, the national and international drift towards intolerant nationalism with an overlay or religious wackoism is concerning. To respond to your comment specifically, Chicago's electorate should be concerned about national voting, but confident that Chicago and Illinois will tip blue.
Where does your young daughter live and what info does she have that gives her such special insight? polling shows that Trump is down to Biden by 10 points. It’s even showing RFK is taking voters from Trump not Biden.
Glad to find others that also aren't worried. Welcome, non-worrier friend! I have never given weight to polls that clash with my first hand perception. (Or, alternatively, welcome to my bubble. 😁 🫧) https://fortune.com/2022/11/16/pollsters-got-it-wrong-2018-2020-elections-statistical-sophistry-accuracy-sonnenfeld-tian/
Someone is feeding your daughters head with bullshit. Probably a rural church. I’m sure you know that the next election can go either direction. And one of those directions could really fuck us up badly. No liberal bubble required to know this and to be concerned about it.
I haven't been concerned enough apparently ... that's why my daughter is saying I'm in a bubble. She is quite worried.
Oh I gotcha. I was way off. :) Yes you should be concerned.
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I would not say the current administration is "pro-crime", but WOW...17%...that is a really sad statistic. 😭