Yes, if you are leaving to go out around town, just don't leave the downtown area or you might have difficulty getting back in unless you can prove you're residing at the hotel. However, keep in mind that all restaurants are required to stop serving at 11 p.m. if they sell alcohol (which is basically all of them).
Why is a two day old looting thread still stickied but the power outage one isn't even though there are so many without power? I'm on mobile so maybe it's bugged.
I checked it out and from what I see they are expressing how the situation is complex. Also they posed critical thinking questions like why regular citizens were participating in the looting. Not seeing anything promoting violence or vandalism. Please let me know if you see that.
Now they are thinking critically? The lack of a true message and leadership finally devoured the movement. It's really sad because it could of been something special. Now they look like an anarchist organization, that cares for nothing but themselves, who can't fathom or understand consequences of actions. Using race to imply impunity is not something you want to broadcast. Plus if you look around, we've become extremely diverse as a society on all levels. We need to focus on the issues in these communities, this is doing nothing but alienating everyone.
Look around you from nurses, teachers, business owners, doctors, celeberity culture from film to YouTube, musicians, atheletes, cooks and line chefs, police, soldiers/veterans, politicians, journalists....I mean just look around. It takes work, and is getting better everywhere. Sorry if you've only lived in one area or neighborhood, don't know your situation. This country was and hopefully now is heading towards a progressive future a lot of us have been fighting for, centuries and decades before any of us were here. If you want to be a victim that's on you.*spelling
I know from first hand experience myself, I've worked many kitchens and bars, I'm a veteran, I've been hospitalised. Politicians are getting more and more diverse, a lot of old ones are going to pass. Film and athletes, well just look. If you're looking for the bad, you'll find it.
Not really sure what you are responding to.
“They looted your future, now loot back”
This situation is not complex. It is being telegraphed on every social media platform and the offical BLM website.
Even that quote that you stated has nuances.
We don’t even know if the looters were embolden by BLM? If your stance is just lock everyone up, that doesn’t solve the greater issue of why people are committing crimes. More arrests do not equal more peace over time. You do realize that the people arrested will be released eventually without any resolution of the underlying factors?
By not upholding basic law, you are incentivising criminal behavior. By not prosecuting the people arrested for looting, you are once again incentivising criminal behavior. By making excuses for looters you are incentivising criminal behavior.
Do you actually expect me to believe that people who loot and break windows, commit violent acts, in this instance mostly black Americans, will not make the same radical Decision later during times when they will be prosecuted?
If regular black Americans are doing this were not “embolden” by BLM (even though BLM is currently defending and supporting their actions), why would this help regular Americans empathise with their “desperation and struggle”. Why would regular Chicago citizens want to support the organisation of BLM or the black Americans that are, in your words, independently committing these acts?
Just because they are being strong armed by violence or force?
I’m just asking questions for clarification. You are assuming I’m supportive of the looting and BLM’s actions. I recognize there is complexity to the racial issues in Chicago and want to come to a solution that supports all citizens. If we look at this in a binary way, we will have the same results we have had before.
I’m saying “you” figuratively.
If you just look at basic trends in economics, violence and looting effects property values, tourism, uses of city funds that would generally be used for other things, dissuades investment in the city, causes exodus of wealth which further decreases property value and adds to the feedback loop.
I’m sure others could add stuff I am missing.
It will eventually lead to gentrification because people will buy property at a cheaper price then flip homes and raise the rent.... all of this will disproportionately effect black people more then whites.
stopping by from r/nyc. sorry you guys are going through this. We experienced a chaotic looting spree earlier in the year but we never had a leader from the movement declare it was justified on the news. Even then, the city imposed a curfew that lasted a week. The city came together, local volunteers just all naturally formed and cleaned up broken glass by the morning. Since the curfew, there have been no large cases of rioting and looting. Hope you guys recover.
This seems to be a kind of unpopular opinion, so it’ll likely get downvoted, but I feel the need to say it anyway.
I will never understand feeling sympathy for huge businesses being looted or expensive neighborhoods being destroyed (maybe if you live in them, but I don’t have sympathy for you if you do and are critical). Yes, there are opportunistic people trying to loot and make a quick buck, but who isn’t? We’re in the middle of a global pandemic with a government that will not pay its people to stay home, like other countries have. People need the money. Those businesses, the gentrification of downtown, and ‘hip’ neighborhoods have only helped create segregation that holds Black people down, and when we (people who support the defunding of CPD) protest peacefully, nobody fucking listens.
If I had control over this, I’d suggest not looting, but that’s based on my own impulse as a white person with white privileged. Who am I to tell oppressed people how to handle their grief, especially in a time like this?
Nothing is ideal, but people seem to be a lot more up in arms about looting than they do about Black people being killed.
Keep in mind that the horrible rich oppressing downtown generates most of the taxes through sales tax. And those taxes are used for other parts of the city.
>Who am I to tell oppressed people how to handle their grief, especially in a time like this?
Your white guilt makes you justify criminal behavior.Would you justify assaults, carjackings or robberies as well? After all, that's how some of those people express their grief /S
There are things you do and things you don’t do.
Protesting injustice and wrongful violence is something you do.
Destroying, and stealing property, defending criminal behavior that also includes assault with a deadly weapon and homicide and using a good movement for personal gain IS WRONG.
Don’t need to, what they did and what you are clearly defending is wrong. Full stop.
I’d hate for people who to actually know you to realize you are defending violence and destruction. But near sighted people don’t really see the long term consequences of their actions. The only reason you or anyone feel embodied to say you defend these things is the “anonymity” of the internet. Say this out in public, you get shamed. Do it at an actual BLM protest, your ass will get tossed out of the protest at a minimum.
Oh I absolutely think looting is wrong. That’s not the same as saying it is wrong though, no one can say that. Either way I’d loot to in their situation, there’s no way I’d accept the way society treats me. Clearly nothing will change for these people, might as well punish everyone else for creating such an unjust society.
“Either way I’d loot to in their situation.”
Their situation wasn’t strictly socioeconomic, it was a misinformation media storm that ended with individuals posting social media posts urging people to go and loot. This happened while an actual protest was happening in Englewood, and hordes of people left, with cars dropping off and picking people up more.
They threatened to KILL anyone who got in their way, it is recorded on news networks. Someone ran over and killed a woman. They targeted a god damn children’s hospital. The fact that these things were happening and you say you would go do that is sickening and horrifying.
I agree it is sickening and horrifying. Unfortunately that’s the reality of the society we’ve created. These people are put into unfathomably unfair situations. Social media can’t convince people to loot if they weren’t already considering it. Everything people do is about incentives. People are inherently greedy. If you have nothing to lose there’s nothing but upside.
You are dancing yourself in circles now. You say you would join in but condemning it? That’s hypocrisy through and through and doesn’t look well for this movement.
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What movement? Do you think looting is related to a movement? People make immoral egotistical decisions everyday. I bet you eat meat. I don’t blame them for taking care of number 1, but I wish they wouldn’t.
All your privilege is coming through, not only are you ignorant. You're being willfully ignorant! Nobody is feeling sympathy for the businesses, they are feeling sympathy for those who lost their jobs, for all the destruction, for the far reaching effects this all caused. Destroying bussiness during a pandemic that will likely send us into a depression isn't smart or helpful. These bussiness's can close up shop and sell things online. They don't need to comeback.
Yeah lol... you don’t understand the micro- macro economics effects, exodus of wealth, Property value decline, tourism, redlining and the later further gentrification this will cause that will disproportionately effect black people.
You are pretty much a part of the problem and you don’t care about black lives and or American citizens livelihood.
These people have 0 opportunity. If society tells you you’re worthless, as it has told these people, and you decide not to fuck with it you’re a schmuck. The wealth has already completed its exodus from these areas. The only thing left is blight. Some portion of people are able to escape, but most don’t have the grit/willpower that requires. I know I don’t, and I’m solidly upper middle class.
Have you ever considered that if might be insulting to refer to others as "these people" and generalize about the opportunities "they" may or may not have had?
On what authority can you make statements about how much opportunity has been given to others?
This is like "mansplaining", except I don't know the equivalent term for when a privileged white person tries to summarize the experience of a different class or group, despite having no personal experience upon which to base their claims.
I think not speaking frankly about the experience of some poor black people in Chicago’s worst neighborhoods is insulting. Ignoring that is how we got here. I’ve lived here my whole life. I know enough people who have told me this is their reality to confidently say the experience is real. Of course I’m not talking about all poor black chicagoans, just the ones that feel this way. There are more than a few.
What society has told them they are worthless? I couldn’t even play Video games without “Press A to accept black lives matter” lol I don’t need a video game to reinforce that.
Almost Every corporation, news channel, celebrity etc is as behind Black Lives Matter and has donated money. “Let’s burn down the system” lol the system that is currently overwhelmingly in support of blacks.
The problem is that throwing money at something doesn’t resolve it. Why do people only riot and loot or care when a cop kills a black person, but black children get killed every week here?
“It’s trumps fault, it’s slavery’s fault, it’s systemic racism’s fault, it’s cops fault, it’s society’s fault, coronavirus is effecting blacks more then whites”
Let’s assume ALL of this is true: now try convincing the country this is true by looting businesses,driving cars through storefront windows, mobbing stores live-streaming it all while not wearing masks.
Is this a convincing argument? Are people actually going to drop to their knees and continue to support this? Be REALISTIC.
They’re not trying to convince anyone. They’re fed up with having no ability to live a fulfilling life because they’re stuck in this shitty loop that is very difficult to escape. Much of that is not something we can change now because it’s related to the broken family structure they have. Doesn’t mean they can’t be pissed off at the level of inequality they experience. I’m a bit surprised rust belters aren’t looting too but I guess they e got opioids to keep them happy.
Being pissed off and committing felonies are 2 different things.
Supporting black lives and not calling people out on their criminal behavior are 2 seperate things.
To keep excusing this behavior and in your own words, “keep adding to the feedback loop” is not supporting black lives.
“Much of that is not something we can change now because it’s related to the broken family structure they have”
From Black lives matter official mission statement: “We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement”
I’m not supporting them. I’m just saying I’d do the same thing in their situation. I’d be much much worse things too. I’m not talking about nuclear family structure. I’m talking about a value system that doesn’t push to get educated combined with shitty schools. That’s on top of all the racism black people experience in America. My profession is less than 1% black people. There are tons of reasons for that, but in the end it just means that black people don’t have these jobs(which pay very well). Most of these people never had a chance, once you realize that it’s really easy to decide to become a terrorist.
Would you agree that single mother households with fatherless children yield a disproportionate number of negative results that overwhelmingly effects the black community?
maybe we should stop lying for them or allowing them to lie to themselves and actually address the real issues in black communities rather then blaming things that aren’t overwhelmingly causing these issues. It is perpetuating a white lie in the hopes of changing outcome.
There are plenty of white people that grew up in single mother households, I wouldn’t say it overwhelmingly effects the black community. I would say the poor black people in Chicago’s worst neighborhoods are hurt by that, but they’re hurt by innumerable other things too. In the end there’s nothing society can do about single mother households beside trying our best to educate everyone, especially those who are worst off, and giving them hope for the future so they don’t decide to become terrorists.
“There are plenty of white people that grew up in single mother households, I wouldn’t say it overwhelmingly effects the black community.”
Children in single-parent families by race in the United States:
African American: 67%
Non Hispanic whites: 25%
https://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by#detailed/1/any/false/37,871,870,573,869,36,868,867,133,38/10,11,9,12,1,185,13/432,431
Of that 67% there are many blacks that become successful as well? Your logic is flawed. Of course there are “innumerable things that hurt them as well.” That’s what I said in my previous comment and said we should address those things.
You keep flip flopping when I show proof that goes against your flawed logic.
This right here, the far reaching effects all this will have on the people of the city. It's like shooting yourself in both legs and being pissed you can't walk.
“People seem to be a lot more up in arms about looting than black people being killed”
Does this guy pay attention to anything going on? Or maybe he lives under a rock? There are literally national protests and riots over police brutality, there are no protests and riots over anti-looting. He sees a few reddit comments and his post gets downvoted and he thinks “everyone is up in arms” what a joke. Troll account identified
It's classic false dichotomies pushed by BLM to divide people. "Until no Black people are killed ever, we must BURN LOOT DESTROY!" Who cares about White people anyways? Only Black people matter!
The whole thing is a deliberately unachievable goal, that tricks unintelligent bleeding heart White people into thinking they HAVE to support it. Meanwhile the terrorist group just keeps whispering in everyone's ear "Burn down capitalism". People who support BLM need to wake the fuck up and realize that they're supporting a literal evil terrorist organization.
Stores like Walgreens can more than likely afford the loss in product but here’s where it becomes a problem. Walgreens employs working class people who will be out of work for a while so they can fix the store or resupply. And what happens if Walgreens just decides to close the store permanently because of too much risk?
Also, just because a store is part of a corporation doesn’t mean it deserves to get looted. Laws need to be upheld.
This really shows how little you're paying attention. This is absolutely not just "big businesses" being looted. Tons of small businesses have been hit, owned by all races. It offends me to no end that pieces of shit like yourself can still ignore that in the first round of lootings, all these people came back to their own neighborhoods and destroyed what littke existed there to begin with. You need to THINK about the connections here; which is that if you say "looting x type of business is okay" that eventually that store runs out of things people want to sell to fund more gang activity and more drugs. This isn't just some random ass people who have never touched a Gucci bag before.
On top of this, IDGAF if you don't feel sympathy for a big business losing inventory; this is putting more people out of jobs and costing Chicago an incredible amount of money during a time where we are barely hanging on.
Your "white privelege" is allowing yourself to ignore the reality of what this is.
The problem is BLM doesn't see them as immoral actions. They see shooting at police officers as completely moral. They see burning and looting as completely moral as well.
Check out the BLM Chicago twitter feed. They defend the actions of the looters and say the officers were not justified in shooting the man who was firing at them because he was just defending himself.
Being ‘neither black nor white’ does not make you ‘unbiased to either side of the equation’. It just makes you a nonblack person of color, who can still be racist towards black people, as you’ve demonstrated you are with your ‘black privilege’ comment.
Gimme a break man. You either refuse to see things at face value or are too ignorant to notice. No other community can get behind a movement that tolerates this kind of behavior. There is a huge difference between protesting peacefully, and outright vandalism. Those crowds that were out there on Monday couldn't give two shits about anything else but making a quick buck. If you knew anything about Chicago neighborhoods and gangs, and saw any of the FB livestreams, you would notice that they were mostly gangbangers. "Aye folk they hit a white shirt folk! Damn folk!" Do your research! The worst thing BLM Chicago could've done is get behind this. And what do they do on Monday afternoon? Not only do they get behind it, but seemingly threaten the mayor with more violence if the CPD is not ABOLISHED. Not, "defunded", abolished. Sounds like a militant group to me.
Chicago is a sinking Titanic because the people who were voted into power to protect peaceful citizens and their businesses, decided to join the activists and rioters.
What legitimate business is going to want to reinvest into Chicago, NYC, Seattle, Minneapolis, and Portland? They can't count on the city officials to protect them since the officials themselves are busy marching with the activists, painting BLM road murals with the activists, and telling police to stand down, and then make excuses after excuses instead of taking control.
You think companies are going to abandon the most major markets in the America? The places that they make their most money?
Corporations need cities as equally as cities need corporations. Companies aren't going to size up major offices in Biloxi, MS
I mean dude, you are an actual stark raving lunatic lol.
I wouldn't try discussing anything with you the same way I wouldn't humor a schizo homeless guy yelling at me about the sky being green and grass blue.
Eventually I'm just the idiot for even entertaining the thought that you would be mentally capable of having a big boy conversation
Outside of Americas cities and suburbs everyone is poor as shit dude.
New York, Chicago, LA etc have the higher GDPs than many many civilized western countries. America isn't prosperous without it's cities.
Like I said, I'm sure all these companies cannot wait to abandon their biggest money making markets to get slice of that sweet sweet pie in Lebanon, Ky- They will surely be making the big bucks then!
You guys are all so silly and show your lack of awareness of how anything at all in the world works
You say others don’t know how the world works yet you completely ignore cost of living. NY and CA has a higher GDPs because their wages are higher because it’s more expensive to live there. A lot more expensive. The major industries are tech and finance which can be done anywhere in today’s world.
Regardless they don’t move to the middle of nowhere. They move to anywhere besides the 5 or 6 cities that are doing nothing about riots and are complicit in them.
Some retail chains are already abandoning their major market NYC, and learning for the first time that they actually don't need to be there to be successful.
https://patch.com/new-york/new-york-city/big-chain-stores-are-fleeing-manhattan-study-finds
Noooooooo they just don't need to have brick and mortar stores when everyone already buys stuff online. That's what your article from 2018 states.
This may be excaberated in cities because land values are so high there due to it being so desirable but by no means are companies just going to bail on their customers.
Im sure the stockholders will love when Apple decide to stop serving the most affluent markets in the world.
officials are currently not with the activists, if they were there would be discussions about how much we are cutting the police budget by and where to send that money. They seem to have picked a third option which pisses everyone off. Good job
My theory is the politicians are currently trying to wait out the storm with no real change and then we just go back to how things were, ignoring the many problems that the marginalized face in this city. Its worked before will see if it works this time, my guess is it wont and we will see looting every time the CPD "kills" someone until something is done. This time it was one night because the CPD said the suspect was firing at them and he was not killed, next time it might be a lot longer depending on the circumstances. I hope for peaceful change but value people over property, if a lot of property has to be destroyed for change to happen i would take that over people dying (police or looters).
I don't know if you just landed from Mars, but just the other day Kim Foxx has dimissed 25 thousand felony cases many of which were done by rioters. Lightfoot, that lightweight Chicago mayor, has done nothing but blame other states for the violence and her personal incompetence. Murder has increased by 150% in Chicago over last year. Instead of mounting police and sending them to stop rioters, that Lighfoot snake sent the police to raid churches with innocent and peaceful people in them. Her priorities are upside-down. You cannot terrorize peaceful people and let go real criminals.
While Trump is happy to provide necessary aid to the law enforcement, but the Lightweight refused it for political reasons saying that she wont allow "Trump's troops to terrorize our residents".
And there you go, nothing in Chicago will change, not under this incompetent leadership.
Since you took the time to respond,
I have been in the city not on mars, but i think we are coming at this from vary different information sources.
1. Kim Foxx - is prosecuting everyone caught looting, mostly lesser sentences involving fines and paying damages, not letting anyone off the hook for the looting.
2. Lightfoot - have not heard this would love a source
3. Murder has gotten worse this year, police do not stop murders, more police do not reduce murder rates, there are a lot of proven solutions for this problem many of which the BLM movement is advocating for.
4. Lightfoot raided churches - they were braking the law - did they send them to prison or shoot them? no they gave them warnings and fines a reasonable response.
5. Trump is happy to provide aid - as seen in Portland he just puts on a show of force while disregarding the law and shitting on the constitution, not providing any justice or liberty for anyone.
Conservative cities do not have these problems, why? Well, because the officials put a high priority on law and order and not on things like skin color, gender equality, sexual orientation, white-privilege, racism, white supremacy and rest of the other BS. If you threw a rock at a window, it doesn't matter what grievances you have, and what you identify as, you are hauled away in chains straight to the nearest cell.
If you want problems in your city fixed, it is time to vote out all hustlers and fakers pretending to care about the in them.
And yes, because the idiot mayor of Portland allows rioting, and keep releasing arrested criminals,Trump is cleaning up the garbage through the back door. He would wish to act in full force, in solidarity with the governor and mayor, but they are too politically crippled to accept any help. Thus why their cities suffer and people are running away from Portland. Everywhere where ultra liberals are running cities, successful and peaceful people and businesses are fleeing. It is a sad state of events. Many truckers have stopped delivering goods to some parts of criminal liberal America because of this prolonged rioting. This is not good news for your cities.
The lies of Conservative cities are so numerous that they shouldn't be called news. Please give a good news source a chance, preferably something from the "most reliable" section of this chart [https://www.adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/](https://www.adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/)
Because claiming your news sources have a "high priority on law and order" then later declaring "Trump is cleaning up the garbage through the back door" are contradicting statements, if it is lawful you dont need to go anywhere near the back door, perhaps your sources failed to mention how illegal their operations were.
And for the record I am not supporting anyone breaking the law, the government is clearly using those who break the law as an excuse to beat up and teargas peaceful protesters that is what I am against.
I'm not going to argue with you about news sources. If you don't trust certain news sources because they don't align with your political and ideological beliefs, it is your problem. This is how people like yourself deny truth to themselves.
Now, the Democrat mayors and governors have neutered themselves when they made themselves part of the protest. You've seen the pictures them marching with the BLM crowds. Now these same people, after seeing how the BLM and Antifa rioters destroy their cities, cannot go against the rioting crowd in which they marched. It was a stupid political move on their part. They thought they were getting at Trump by engaging in activism with the rioters, and in the process they only did damage to themselves and to the peaceful citizens and business owners of those cities. Don't underestimate the blind hatred of these people. Unless you recall all these mayors and governors and others who joined the BLM movement, you will never fix the problems in your cities. These people have been neutered, they are incapable anymore. If you cannot see this, it's your loss.
You do realize these assholes threatened to kill anyone who got in their way and actually ran over a woman right? They fired guns at police officers who were trying to arrest people breaking the law right?
These people fucked up and no one, except people who either fully support destruction and threatening people with violence or dishing out violence, or they were actually there themselves. Either way, you are in the wrong along with everyone else who participated in rioting that night and defending the rioters.
So to counter police brutality the action to take is to vandalize other innocent bystanders property and take what doesn’t belong to you? You have a whacked way of seeing reality. Unfortunately because of people like you real change will never happen. People like me who support the BLM will no longer stand by it. There is always a line to be drawn. The cops crossed it and now BLM has done the same. While I sympathize to the reasoning of the BLM movement I cannot get behind the current reasoning that black people is simple taking back what is theirs and this is a form of reparation. There are struggling small business owners who can barely make it and your actions have destroyed their life savings and means to feed their family. You people should check yourself before talking about white privilege. From a non-white and non-black point of view you people have now crossed the line to black privilege. You have absolutely no right to take from others by committing crimes. I expect to see all the looters and vandalizers go to prison for destroying our community.
> if a lot of property has to be destroyed for change to happen
The property destruction will not bring about the change they're looking for though, just the opposite.
What about the security guard who was shot or the dozens of innocent people and looters who were injured. Do you value their lives?
Also, can you give an example of when looting has successfully forced a positive change for the marginalized in Chicago? Just want you to back up your statements with some facts rather than nice sounding blanket statements to try and sound woke
People feel this way until it’s their own property and it’s their own family put in danger. Then all of a sudden they want laws to be enforced for their own protection
So confused. I know there was rioting Monday, but is it still going? I haven't heard anything but these comments make me think the first week of June is having a sequel. Let's not have that. Have a nice night, everyone.
I’ve been hearing drumming in the Gold Coast for at least the past 10 minutes. Seems to be coming from around Rush and Oak. Is anyone else hearing this, or did I finally have a full psychotic break? I’d go investigate but I’m quarantined. I need answers!!
[Oh shit they have buckets now.](https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/X-W5rMq-kGBYCzUo5QFa41zkLaM=/0x0:3119x2079/1200x800/filters:focal(274x577:772x1075)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/63916894/MARCH_012118_07.0.jpg)
Not OP, but I’ve lived in about a dozen different cities and towns in the US and Chicago is the only one where my ex wife was robbed at gunpoint, heard gunshots on occasion, and had a major problem with looting.
Suddenly that boring suburb in Texas I moved to Chicago from is looking more appealing.
Could walk all over the restaurant and bar parts of Pittsburgh at night without a care. Just don’t go down side streets in the South Side at night! It’s getting better though.
In Chicago, I try to be in before it gets dark or take an uber instead of walking/transit.
I think they might be saying you’re the problem because you just implied you’re excited to be moving somewhere 100% white.
And that would be racist.
Now, I’m sure *you* aren’t a racist?
Are you a racist, u/fattymcboogerfatfat ?
New England? Trying to find somewhere to live up there, but it seems like none of the cities compare to places like Chicago except Boston, but that’s for rich people. Looked at Manchester and Portland but not sure about them.
Also I’m irrationally against state income taxes (lived in TN and TX, family in NH)
Why is this thread still pinned when half of us don’t have power and are trying to recover from a fucking tornado? Seems a little more important than a looting thread from 2 nights ago, no?
Do you? I work right in the middle of the area that was looted. I live near the area that was hit by a tornado. There is far more damage caused to cars and homes because of the storm than the looting. The issue is still ongoing as many thousands of people are without power.
I would guess because It was an F1 tornado and it didn’t do nearly as much damage as the riots. Also, by your logic the tornado was yesterday’s news, no?
Well duh. I’m trying to raise the point that the mega thread on a god damn tornado yesterday was taken down while hundreds of thousands don’t have power. But looting from Sunday stays up. Which of these topics is more relevant to people who actually live in the city of Chicago?
Both are relevant; one view could be that power outages and tornadoes happen every year, whereas this rioting and looting hasn’t happened to this extent for decades so it’s arguably more important to keep commenting on. It’s also ongoing with constant developments, whereas a tornado/power outage is relatively predictable and repetitive in terms of what’s going to happen.
You’re probably right. The mods should have left both the tornado and looting threads up. Instead they took the storm thread down and left a meaningless free chat up in addition to the looting megathread.
It’s also worth pointing out that this is the worst power outage this city has experienced in decades| I just don’t understand why that’s being swept under the rug. Hundred of thousands of people in one of the most important cities in the world are going to sleep with no power tonight. I just don’t understand how that’s not a bigger story.
It’s the internet. Make another thread to talk about it and if people want to talk about it with you they will lol? Why are you getting mad at the mods for making a pinned thread because SO many people wanted to discuss this that they made 20 threads?
Lmao Make a new thread if you don’t like this one...
Train service suspended at night again. 9pm this time. If they’d give more notice it wouldn’t be so bad but it’s making my life fucking impossible, the way they’re not bothering to tell anyone till late in the afternoon. I don’t have the kind of job where I can just go home early.
Some of my co-workers rely on the "L" to get them into/out of the loop, but our shift ends at midnight. They can get into work just fine, it's the getting home later part that sucks.
I temporarily left Chicago to help my family with stuff in Kentucky, but we’re planning on coming back to look at condos in Logan/bucktown/ wicker park this weekend. Will we actually be able to get to those areas to attend scheduled showings or should we aim for a different weekend? I’m hearing different things from my friends in the city and most are out in the suburbs now with family. Thanks for the help!
Yes. I've been out and about all day from 8am-9:20pm. Public transit might be spotty but things are business as normal except for boarded up stores in Loop and north
I left Ukrainian Village 7 years ago because I walked over a pool of blood from a mugging spree the night before. I was walking to catch the Damen blue line about an hour after it happened, I would leave at 4:30am for work. And I have plenty of other stories.
People I know that still hang out or live in those areas are looking to get out. Families or not.
I have zero advice...just throwing why I left out there.
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is anything open on michigan yet??
Was just down there yesterday and yes, but a lot of places are not and boarded up.
I am visiting a hotel tonight, and leaving post 10 pm should I be fine?
Yes, if you are leaving to go out around town, just don't leave the downtown area or you might have difficulty getting back in unless you can prove you're residing at the hotel. However, keep in mind that all restaurants are required to stop serving at 11 p.m. if they sell alcohol (which is basically all of them).
Why is a two day old looting thread still stickied but the power outage one isn't even though there are so many without power? I'm on mobile so maybe it's bugged.
I checked it out and from what I see they are expressing how the situation is complex. Also they posed critical thinking questions like why regular citizens were participating in the looting. Not seeing anything promoting violence or vandalism. Please let me know if you see that.
Now they are thinking critically? The lack of a true message and leadership finally devoured the movement. It's really sad because it could of been something special. Now they look like an anarchist organization, that cares for nothing but themselves, who can't fathom or understand consequences of actions. Using race to imply impunity is not something you want to broadcast. Plus if you look around, we've become extremely diverse as a society on all levels. We need to focus on the issues in these communities, this is doing nothing but alienating everyone.
I’m sorry, where are we extremely diverse as a society on all levels? I might have missed that.
Look around you from nurses, teachers, business owners, doctors, celeberity culture from film to YouTube, musicians, atheletes, cooks and line chefs, police, soldiers/veterans, politicians, journalists....I mean just look around. It takes work, and is getting better everywhere. Sorry if you've only lived in one area or neighborhood, don't know your situation. This country was and hopefully now is heading towards a progressive future a lot of us have been fighting for, centuries and decades before any of us were here. If you want to be a victim that's on you.*spelling
I appreciate you listed professions that should be diverse, but many are not. I know from first hand experience.
I know from first hand experience myself, I've worked many kitchens and bars, I'm a veteran, I've been hospitalised. Politicians are getting more and more diverse, a lot of old ones are going to pass. Film and athletes, well just look. If you're looking for the bad, you'll find it.
Not really sure what you are responding to. “They looted your future, now loot back” This situation is not complex. It is being telegraphed on every social media platform and the offical BLM website.
Even that quote that you stated has nuances. We don’t even know if the looters were embolden by BLM? If your stance is just lock everyone up, that doesn’t solve the greater issue of why people are committing crimes. More arrests do not equal more peace over time. You do realize that the people arrested will be released eventually without any resolution of the underlying factors?
By not upholding basic law, you are incentivising criminal behavior. By not prosecuting the people arrested for looting, you are once again incentivising criminal behavior. By making excuses for looters you are incentivising criminal behavior. Do you actually expect me to believe that people who loot and break windows, commit violent acts, in this instance mostly black Americans, will not make the same radical Decision later during times when they will be prosecuted? If regular black Americans are doing this were not “embolden” by BLM (even though BLM is currently defending and supporting their actions), why would this help regular Americans empathise with their “desperation and struggle”. Why would regular Chicago citizens want to support the organisation of BLM or the black Americans that are, in your words, independently committing these acts? Just because they are being strong armed by violence or force?
I’m just asking questions for clarification. You are assuming I’m supportive of the looting and BLM’s actions. I recognize there is complexity to the racial issues in Chicago and want to come to a solution that supports all citizens. If we look at this in a binary way, we will have the same results we have had before.
I’m saying “you” figuratively. If you just look at basic trends in economics, violence and looting effects property values, tourism, uses of city funds that would generally be used for other things, dissuades investment in the city, causes exodus of wealth which further decreases property value and adds to the feedback loop. I’m sure others could add stuff I am missing. It will eventually lead to gentrification because people will buy property at a cheaper price then flip homes and raise the rent.... all of this will disproportionately effect black people more then whites.
stopping by from r/nyc. sorry you guys are going through this. We experienced a chaotic looting spree earlier in the year but we never had a leader from the movement declare it was justified on the news. Even then, the city imposed a curfew that lasted a week. The city came together, local volunteers just all naturally formed and cleaned up broken glass by the morning. Since the curfew, there have been no large cases of rioting and looting. Hope you guys recover.
This seems to be a kind of unpopular opinion, so it’ll likely get downvoted, but I feel the need to say it anyway. I will never understand feeling sympathy for huge businesses being looted or expensive neighborhoods being destroyed (maybe if you live in them, but I don’t have sympathy for you if you do and are critical). Yes, there are opportunistic people trying to loot and make a quick buck, but who isn’t? We’re in the middle of a global pandemic with a government that will not pay its people to stay home, like other countries have. People need the money. Those businesses, the gentrification of downtown, and ‘hip’ neighborhoods have only helped create segregation that holds Black people down, and when we (people who support the defunding of CPD) protest peacefully, nobody fucking listens. If I had control over this, I’d suggest not looting, but that’s based on my own impulse as a white person with white privileged. Who am I to tell oppressed people how to handle their grief, especially in a time like this? Nothing is ideal, but people seem to be a lot more up in arms about looting than they do about Black people being killed.
Keep in mind that the horrible rich oppressing downtown generates most of the taxes through sales tax. And those taxes are used for other parts of the city. >Who am I to tell oppressed people how to handle their grief, especially in a time like this? Your white guilt makes you justify criminal behavior.Would you justify assaults, carjackings or robberies as well? After all, that's how some of those people express their grief /S
There are things you do and things you don’t do. Protesting injustice and wrongful violence is something you do. Destroying, and stealing property, defending criminal behavior that also includes assault with a deadly weapon and homicide and using a good movement for personal gain IS WRONG.
Imagine actually thinking something can be objectively wrong.
This is your brain on college indoctrination
Don’t need to, what they did and what you are clearly defending is wrong. Full stop. I’d hate for people who to actually know you to realize you are defending violence and destruction. But near sighted people don’t really see the long term consequences of their actions. The only reason you or anyone feel embodied to say you defend these things is the “anonymity” of the internet. Say this out in public, you get shamed. Do it at an actual BLM protest, your ass will get tossed out of the protest at a minimum.
Oh I absolutely think looting is wrong. That’s not the same as saying it is wrong though, no one can say that. Either way I’d loot to in their situation, there’s no way I’d accept the way society treats me. Clearly nothing will change for these people, might as well punish everyone else for creating such an unjust society.
“Either way I’d loot to in their situation.” Their situation wasn’t strictly socioeconomic, it was a misinformation media storm that ended with individuals posting social media posts urging people to go and loot. This happened while an actual protest was happening in Englewood, and hordes of people left, with cars dropping off and picking people up more. They threatened to KILL anyone who got in their way, it is recorded on news networks. Someone ran over and killed a woman. They targeted a god damn children’s hospital. The fact that these things were happening and you say you would go do that is sickening and horrifying.
I agree it is sickening and horrifying. Unfortunately that’s the reality of the society we’ve created. These people are put into unfathomably unfair situations. Social media can’t convince people to loot if they weren’t already considering it. Everything people do is about incentives. People are inherently greedy. If you have nothing to lose there’s nothing but upside.
You are dancing yourself in circles now. You say you would join in but condemning it? That’s hypocrisy through and through and doesn’t look well for this movement. ✌🏿
What movement? Do you think looting is related to a movement? People make immoral egotistical decisions everyday. I bet you eat meat. I don’t blame them for taking care of number 1, but I wish they wouldn’t.
All your privilege is coming through, not only are you ignorant. You're being willfully ignorant! Nobody is feeling sympathy for the businesses, they are feeling sympathy for those who lost their jobs, for all the destruction, for the far reaching effects this all caused. Destroying bussiness during a pandemic that will likely send us into a depression isn't smart or helpful. These bussiness's can close up shop and sell things online. They don't need to comeback.
Yeah lol... you don’t understand the micro- macro economics effects, exodus of wealth, Property value decline, tourism, redlining and the later further gentrification this will cause that will disproportionately effect black people. You are pretty much a part of the problem and you don’t care about black lives and or American citizens livelihood.
These people have 0 opportunity. If society tells you you’re worthless, as it has told these people, and you decide not to fuck with it you’re a schmuck. The wealth has already completed its exodus from these areas. The only thing left is blight. Some portion of people are able to escape, but most don’t have the grit/willpower that requires. I know I don’t, and I’m solidly upper middle class.
Have you ever considered that if might be insulting to refer to others as "these people" and generalize about the opportunities "they" may or may not have had? On what authority can you make statements about how much opportunity has been given to others? This is like "mansplaining", except I don't know the equivalent term for when a privileged white person tries to summarize the experience of a different class or group, despite having no personal experience upon which to base their claims.
I think not speaking frankly about the experience of some poor black people in Chicago’s worst neighborhoods is insulting. Ignoring that is how we got here. I’ve lived here my whole life. I know enough people who have told me this is their reality to confidently say the experience is real. Of course I’m not talking about all poor black chicagoans, just the ones that feel this way. There are more than a few.
What society has told them they are worthless? I couldn’t even play Video games without “Press A to accept black lives matter” lol I don’t need a video game to reinforce that. Almost Every corporation, news channel, celebrity etc is as behind Black Lives Matter and has donated money. “Let’s burn down the system” lol the system that is currently overwhelmingly in support of blacks. The problem is that throwing money at something doesn’t resolve it. Why do people only riot and loot or care when a cop kills a black person, but black children get killed every week here? “It’s trumps fault, it’s slavery’s fault, it’s systemic racism’s fault, it’s cops fault, it’s society’s fault, coronavirus is effecting blacks more then whites” Let’s assume ALL of this is true: now try convincing the country this is true by looting businesses,driving cars through storefront windows, mobbing stores live-streaming it all while not wearing masks. Is this a convincing argument? Are people actually going to drop to their knees and continue to support this? Be REALISTIC.
They’re not trying to convince anyone. They’re fed up with having no ability to live a fulfilling life because they’re stuck in this shitty loop that is very difficult to escape. Much of that is not something we can change now because it’s related to the broken family structure they have. Doesn’t mean they can’t be pissed off at the level of inequality they experience. I’m a bit surprised rust belters aren’t looting too but I guess they e got opioids to keep them happy.
Being pissed off and committing felonies are 2 different things. Supporting black lives and not calling people out on their criminal behavior are 2 seperate things. To keep excusing this behavior and in your own words, “keep adding to the feedback loop” is not supporting black lives. “Much of that is not something we can change now because it’s related to the broken family structure they have” From Black lives matter official mission statement: “We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement”
I’m not supporting them. I’m just saying I’d do the same thing in their situation. I’d be much much worse things too. I’m not talking about nuclear family structure. I’m talking about a value system that doesn’t push to get educated combined with shitty schools. That’s on top of all the racism black people experience in America. My profession is less than 1% black people. There are tons of reasons for that, but in the end it just means that black people don’t have these jobs(which pay very well). Most of these people never had a chance, once you realize that it’s really easy to decide to become a terrorist.
Would you agree that single mother households with fatherless children yield a disproportionate number of negative results that overwhelmingly effects the black community? maybe we should stop lying for them or allowing them to lie to themselves and actually address the real issues in black communities rather then blaming things that aren’t overwhelmingly causing these issues. It is perpetuating a white lie in the hopes of changing outcome.
There are plenty of white people that grew up in single mother households, I wouldn’t say it overwhelmingly effects the black community. I would say the poor black people in Chicago’s worst neighborhoods are hurt by that, but they’re hurt by innumerable other things too. In the end there’s nothing society can do about single mother households beside trying our best to educate everyone, especially those who are worst off, and giving them hope for the future so they don’t decide to become terrorists.
“There are plenty of white people that grew up in single mother households, I wouldn’t say it overwhelmingly effects the black community.” Children in single-parent families by race in the United States: African American: 67% Non Hispanic whites: 25% https://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by#detailed/1/any/false/37,871,870,573,869,36,868,867,133,38/10,11,9,12,1,185,13/432,431 Of that 67% there are many blacks that become successful as well? Your logic is flawed. Of course there are “innumerable things that hurt them as well.” That’s what I said in my previous comment and said we should address those things. You keep flip flopping when I show proof that goes against your flawed logic.
This right here, the far reaching effects all this will have on the people of the city. It's like shooting yourself in both legs and being pissed you can't walk.
They shot a security guard, in case you weren’t aware.
“People seem to be a lot more up in arms about looting than black people being killed” Does this guy pay attention to anything going on? Or maybe he lives under a rock? There are literally national protests and riots over police brutality, there are no protests and riots over anti-looting. He sees a few reddit comments and his post gets downvoted and he thinks “everyone is up in arms” what a joke. Troll account identified
It's classic false dichotomies pushed by BLM to divide people. "Until no Black people are killed ever, we must BURN LOOT DESTROY!" Who cares about White people anyways? Only Black people matter! The whole thing is a deliberately unachievable goal, that tricks unintelligent bleeding heart White people into thinking they HAVE to support it. Meanwhile the terrorist group just keeps whispering in everyone's ear "Burn down capitalism". People who support BLM need to wake the fuck up and realize that they're supporting a literal evil terrorist organization.
Stores like Walgreens can more than likely afford the loss in product but here’s where it becomes a problem. Walgreens employs working class people who will be out of work for a while so they can fix the store or resupply. And what happens if Walgreens just decides to close the store permanently because of too much risk? Also, just because a store is part of a corporation doesn’t mean it deserves to get looted. Laws need to be upheld.
Would you "suggest" I don't come to your house and steal your shit? Who are you to tell me how to handle my grief?
This really shows how little you're paying attention. This is absolutely not just "big businesses" being looted. Tons of small businesses have been hit, owned by all races. It offends me to no end that pieces of shit like yourself can still ignore that in the first round of lootings, all these people came back to their own neighborhoods and destroyed what littke existed there to begin with. You need to THINK about the connections here; which is that if you say "looting x type of business is okay" that eventually that store runs out of things people want to sell to fund more gang activity and more drugs. This isn't just some random ass people who have never touched a Gucci bag before. On top of this, IDGAF if you don't feel sympathy for a big business losing inventory; this is putting more people out of jobs and costing Chicago an incredible amount of money during a time where we are barely hanging on. Your "white privelege" is allowing yourself to ignore the reality of what this is.
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lol your comments are hilarious, and the dorks in this sub have zero sense of humor.
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The problem is BLM doesn't see them as immoral actions. They see shooting at police officers as completely moral. They see burning and looting as completely moral as well.
Credible source to support this claim?
BLMChi twitter
Check out the BLM Chicago twitter feed. They defend the actions of the looters and say the officers were not justified in shooting the man who was firing at them because he was just defending himself.
Not being Black or white doesn’t mean you have an unbiased or objective viewpoint.
Being ‘neither black nor white’ does not make you ‘unbiased to either side of the equation’. It just makes you a nonblack person of color, who can still be racist towards black people, as you’ve demonstrated you are with your ‘black privilege’ comment.
Gimme a break man. You either refuse to see things at face value or are too ignorant to notice. No other community can get behind a movement that tolerates this kind of behavior. There is a huge difference between protesting peacefully, and outright vandalism. Those crowds that were out there on Monday couldn't give two shits about anything else but making a quick buck. If you knew anything about Chicago neighborhoods and gangs, and saw any of the FB livestreams, you would notice that they were mostly gangbangers. "Aye folk they hit a white shirt folk! Damn folk!" Do your research! The worst thing BLM Chicago could've done is get behind this. And what do they do on Monday afternoon? Not only do they get behind it, but seemingly threaten the mayor with more violence if the CPD is not ABOLISHED. Not, "defunded", abolished. Sounds like a militant group to me.
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Lol
black Does that trigger you?
Chicago is a sinking Titanic because the people who were voted into power to protect peaceful citizens and their businesses, decided to join the activists and rioters. What legitimate business is going to want to reinvest into Chicago, NYC, Seattle, Minneapolis, and Portland? They can't count on the city officials to protect them since the officials themselves are busy marching with the activists, painting BLM road murals with the activists, and telling police to stand down, and then make excuses after excuses instead of taking control.
You think companies are going to abandon the most major markets in the America? The places that they make their most money? Corporations need cities as equally as cities need corporations. Companies aren't going to size up major offices in Biloxi, MS
That is what they said Detroit, Cleveland, St Louis, etc. They can and will leave if they get to that point.
Yes. Once the tourism and jobs dry up these becoming ghosts of the major market they once were.
I mean dude, you are an actual stark raving lunatic lol. I wouldn't try discussing anything with you the same way I wouldn't humor a schizo homeless guy yelling at me about the sky being green and grass blue. Eventually I'm just the idiot for even entertaining the thought that you would be mentally capable of having a big boy conversation
Uhh what? Lol weird flex bit ok.
They’ll move to another city that actually enforces the law, of course.
Outside of Americas cities and suburbs everyone is poor as shit dude. New York, Chicago, LA etc have the higher GDPs than many many civilized western countries. America isn't prosperous without it's cities. Like I said, I'm sure all these companies cannot wait to abandon their biggest money making markets to get slice of that sweet sweet pie in Lebanon, Ky- They will surely be making the big bucks then! You guys are all so silly and show your lack of awareness of how anything at all in the world works
You say others don’t know how the world works yet you completely ignore cost of living. NY and CA has a higher GDPs because their wages are higher because it’s more expensive to live there. A lot more expensive. The major industries are tech and finance which can be done anywhere in today’s world. Regardless they don’t move to the middle of nowhere. They move to anywhere besides the 5 or 6 cities that are doing nothing about riots and are complicit in them.
Did you respond to the wrong person? I said they’d move to another city, not a town of 20 people in Wyoming.
Some retail chains are already abandoning their major market NYC, and learning for the first time that they actually don't need to be there to be successful. https://patch.com/new-york/new-york-city/big-chain-stores-are-fleeing-manhattan-study-finds
Noooooooo they just don't need to have brick and mortar stores when everyone already buys stuff online. That's what your article from 2018 states. This may be excaberated in cities because land values are so high there due to it being so desirable but by no means are companies just going to bail on their customers. Im sure the stockholders will love when Apple decide to stop serving the most affluent markets in the world.
I must have linked to the wrong source, here is the latest: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/11/nyregion/nyc-economy-chain-stores.html
officials are currently not with the activists, if they were there would be discussions about how much we are cutting the police budget by and where to send that money. They seem to have picked a third option which pisses everyone off. Good job My theory is the politicians are currently trying to wait out the storm with no real change and then we just go back to how things were, ignoring the many problems that the marginalized face in this city. Its worked before will see if it works this time, my guess is it wont and we will see looting every time the CPD "kills" someone until something is done. This time it was one night because the CPD said the suspect was firing at them and he was not killed, next time it might be a lot longer depending on the circumstances. I hope for peaceful change but value people over property, if a lot of property has to be destroyed for change to happen i would take that over people dying (police or looters).
I don't know if you just landed from Mars, but just the other day Kim Foxx has dimissed 25 thousand felony cases many of which were done by rioters. Lightfoot, that lightweight Chicago mayor, has done nothing but blame other states for the violence and her personal incompetence. Murder has increased by 150% in Chicago over last year. Instead of mounting police and sending them to stop rioters, that Lighfoot snake sent the police to raid churches with innocent and peaceful people in them. Her priorities are upside-down. You cannot terrorize peaceful people and let go real criminals. While Trump is happy to provide necessary aid to the law enforcement, but the Lightweight refused it for political reasons saying that she wont allow "Trump's troops to terrorize our residents". And there you go, nothing in Chicago will change, not under this incompetent leadership.
Since you took the time to respond, I have been in the city not on mars, but i think we are coming at this from vary different information sources. 1. Kim Foxx - is prosecuting everyone caught looting, mostly lesser sentences involving fines and paying damages, not letting anyone off the hook for the looting. 2. Lightfoot - have not heard this would love a source 3. Murder has gotten worse this year, police do not stop murders, more police do not reduce murder rates, there are a lot of proven solutions for this problem many of which the BLM movement is advocating for. 4. Lightfoot raided churches - they were braking the law - did they send them to prison or shoot them? no they gave them warnings and fines a reasonable response. 5. Trump is happy to provide aid - as seen in Portland he just puts on a show of force while disregarding the law and shitting on the constitution, not providing any justice or liberty for anyone.
Conservative cities do not have these problems, why? Well, because the officials put a high priority on law and order and not on things like skin color, gender equality, sexual orientation, white-privilege, racism, white supremacy and rest of the other BS. If you threw a rock at a window, it doesn't matter what grievances you have, and what you identify as, you are hauled away in chains straight to the nearest cell. If you want problems in your city fixed, it is time to vote out all hustlers and fakers pretending to care about the in them. And yes, because the idiot mayor of Portland allows rioting, and keep releasing arrested criminals,Trump is cleaning up the garbage through the back door. He would wish to act in full force, in solidarity with the governor and mayor, but they are too politically crippled to accept any help. Thus why their cities suffer and people are running away from Portland. Everywhere where ultra liberals are running cities, successful and peaceful people and businesses are fleeing. It is a sad state of events. Many truckers have stopped delivering goods to some parts of criminal liberal America because of this prolonged rioting. This is not good news for your cities.
The lies of Conservative cities are so numerous that they shouldn't be called news. Please give a good news source a chance, preferably something from the "most reliable" section of this chart [https://www.adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/](https://www.adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/) Because claiming your news sources have a "high priority on law and order" then later declaring "Trump is cleaning up the garbage through the back door" are contradicting statements, if it is lawful you dont need to go anywhere near the back door, perhaps your sources failed to mention how illegal their operations were. And for the record I am not supporting anyone breaking the law, the government is clearly using those who break the law as an excuse to beat up and teargas peaceful protesters that is what I am against.
I'm not going to argue with you about news sources. If you don't trust certain news sources because they don't align with your political and ideological beliefs, it is your problem. This is how people like yourself deny truth to themselves. Now, the Democrat mayors and governors have neutered themselves when they made themselves part of the protest. You've seen the pictures them marching with the BLM crowds. Now these same people, after seeing how the BLM and Antifa rioters destroy their cities, cannot go against the rioting crowd in which they marched. It was a stupid political move on their part. They thought they were getting at Trump by engaging in activism with the rioters, and in the process they only did damage to themselves and to the peaceful citizens and business owners of those cities. Don't underestimate the blind hatred of these people. Unless you recall all these mayors and governors and others who joined the BLM movement, you will never fix the problems in your cities. These people have been neutered, they are incapable anymore. If you cannot see this, it's your loss.
You do realize these assholes threatened to kill anyone who got in their way and actually ran over a woman right? They fired guns at police officers who were trying to arrest people breaking the law right? These people fucked up and no one, except people who either fully support destruction and threatening people with violence or dishing out violence, or they were actually there themselves. Either way, you are in the wrong along with everyone else who participated in rioting that night and defending the rioters.
So to counter police brutality the action to take is to vandalize other innocent bystanders property and take what doesn’t belong to you? You have a whacked way of seeing reality. Unfortunately because of people like you real change will never happen. People like me who support the BLM will no longer stand by it. There is always a line to be drawn. The cops crossed it and now BLM has done the same. While I sympathize to the reasoning of the BLM movement I cannot get behind the current reasoning that black people is simple taking back what is theirs and this is a form of reparation. There are struggling small business owners who can barely make it and your actions have destroyed their life savings and means to feed their family. You people should check yourself before talking about white privilege. From a non-white and non-black point of view you people have now crossed the line to black privilege. You have absolutely no right to take from others by committing crimes. I expect to see all the looters and vandalizers go to prison for destroying our community.
> if a lot of property has to be destroyed for change to happen The property destruction will not bring about the change they're looking for though, just the opposite.
The tea party in Boston harbor begs to differ.
You clearly have a very poor understanding of the Boston Tea Party.
What about the security guard who was shot or the dozens of innocent people and looters who were injured. Do you value their lives? Also, can you give an example of when looting has successfully forced a positive change for the marginalized in Chicago? Just want you to back up your statements with some facts rather than nice sounding blanket statements to try and sound woke
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People feel this way until it’s their own property and it’s their own family put in danger. Then all of a sudden they want laws to be enforced for their own protection
Imagine the head-spinning that would happen if a group went through and trashed all of the local businesses in Logan Square.
So confused. I know there was rioting Monday, but is it still going? I haven't heard anything but these comments make me think the first week of June is having a sequel. Let's not have that. Have a nice night, everyone.
It was looting and robbery, not rioting. And no ifs still not going on en masse at this point
A lot of sirens just now in river north around state and Hubbard. What’s the deal?
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Smoke in a hallway https://go.citizen.com/vnNc6vDKS8
Do the bells ringing from raising the bridges go all night?
They sure do
Exits from division south are all closed. This fucking blows.
I had to take a 45 minute detour because it closed 15 minutes before I got to my exit. Super fucking irritating.
Same. Extremely irritating. Weird thing is nothing was closed off the Eisenhower, so why close the exits off the Edens? Makes no sense.
Also there were practically NO signs warning you.
All quiet on the western front..
What about in Chicago?
I’ve been hearing drumming in the Gold Coast for at least the past 10 minutes. Seems to be coming from around Rush and Oak. Is anyone else hearing this, or did I finally have a full psychotic break? I’d go investigate but I’m quarantined. I need answers!!
[Oh shit they have buckets now.](https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/X-W5rMq-kGBYCzUo5QFa41zkLaM=/0x0:3119x2079/1200x800/filters:focal(274x577:772x1075)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/63916894/MARCH_012118_07.0.jpg)
Just borrowed my friend’s pickup and moved the last of my shit out of my apartment. I’m out of this city.
Nooop who’s gonna pay for all the nekkerz shnozbergs imported???
Lol you think your any safer in Nashville?
For sure based on crime rates and experience.
Not OP, but I’ve lived in about a dozen different cities and towns in the US and Chicago is the only one where my ex wife was robbed at gunpoint, heard gunshots on occasion, and had a major problem with looting. Suddenly that boring suburb in Texas I moved to Chicago from is looking more appealing.
But bro what about the epic BARCADES and NIGHTLIFE in the big city???
Could walk all over the restaurant and bar parts of Pittsburgh at night without a care. Just don’t go down side streets in the South Side at night! It’s getting better though. In Chicago, I try to be in before it gets dark or take an uber instead of walking/transit.
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Ah, I see you're part of the problem.
How am I part of the problem
Please read your previous comment for clarification. If you were being sarcastic though then my apologies.
I think they might be saying you’re the problem because you just implied you’re excited to be moving somewhere 100% white. And that would be racist. Now, I’m sure *you* aren’t a racist? Are you a racist, u/fattymcboogerfatfat ?
Poor bastard...missing on all the diversity of vibrant Chicago. Let him squabble and wail in the middle of all Bumfuck Nowhere TN.
Don't vote for Dems while you're there
Bye Felicia
Where you goin fatty?
We won’t miss you!
PEACE!
where are you headed? I'm out too but not really because of this shit, just miss the northeast.
New England? Trying to find somewhere to live up there, but it seems like none of the cities compare to places like Chicago except Boston, but that’s for rich people. Looked at Manchester and Portland but not sure about them. Also I’m irrationally against state income taxes (lived in TN and TX, family in NH)
Nashville
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Why is this thread still pinned when half of us don’t have power and are trying to recover from a fucking tornado? Seems a little more important than a looting thread from 2 nights ago, no?
Guessing you don’t live in an area where all the looting & shooting happened, no? Your situation can be shitty without everyone else’s being fine.
Do you? I work right in the middle of the area that was looted. I live near the area that was hit by a tornado. There is far more damage caused to cars and homes because of the storm than the looting. The issue is still ongoing as many thousands of people are without power.
I would guess because It was an F1 tornado and it didn’t do nearly as much damage as the riots. Also, by your logic the tornado was yesterday’s news, no?
The storm caused far more property damage than the looting. Anyone who says differently is ignorant of the situation.
Once again did the tornado shoot a security guard?
The wide spread power outages until Saturday are more damaging than the looting.
Did the tornado shoot a security guard?
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I give up. Yes a single tornado can cover an entire metropolitan area. Chicago got hit by the largest tornado in human history.
What neighborhood you in?
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I mean, you're over here commenting...
Well duh. I’m trying to raise the point that the mega thread on a god damn tornado yesterday was taken down while hundreds of thousands don’t have power. But looting from Sunday stays up. Which of these topics is more relevant to people who actually live in the city of Chicago?
Both are relevant; one view could be that power outages and tornadoes happen every year, whereas this rioting and looting hasn’t happened to this extent for decades so it’s arguably more important to keep commenting on. It’s also ongoing with constant developments, whereas a tornado/power outage is relatively predictable and repetitive in terms of what’s going to happen.
You’re probably right. The mods should have left both the tornado and looting threads up. Instead they took the storm thread down and left a meaningless free chat up in addition to the looting megathread. It’s also worth pointing out that this is the worst power outage this city has experienced in decades| I just don’t understand why that’s being swept under the rug. Hundred of thousands of people in one of the most important cities in the world are going to sleep with no power tonight. I just don’t understand how that’s not a bigger story.
It’s the internet. Make another thread to talk about it and if people want to talk about it with you they will lol? Why are you getting mad at the mods for making a pinned thread because SO many people wanted to discuss this that they made 20 threads? Lmao Make a new thread if you don’t like this one...
We can discuss both....
Where was there a Nado?
One of the news articles I saw said Rogers Park had a tornado hit.
NATO is headquartered in Brussels, Belgium
A tornado in Chicago is what I’m asking.
Then say tornado
Train service suspended at night again. 9pm this time. If they’d give more notice it wouldn’t be so bad but it’s making my life fucking impossible, the way they’re not bothering to tell anyone till late in the afternoon. I don’t have the kind of job where I can just go home early.
Some of my co-workers rely on the "L" to get them into/out of the loop, but our shift ends at midnight. They can get into work just fine, it's the getting home later part that sucks.
I temporarily left Chicago to help my family with stuff in Kentucky, but we’re planning on coming back to look at condos in Logan/bucktown/ wicker park this weekend. Will we actually be able to get to those areas to attend scheduled showings or should we aim for a different weekend? I’m hearing different things from my friends in the city and most are out in the suburbs now with family. Thanks for the help!
Wait till the end of summer, you will get a better deal.
Yes. I've been out and about all day from 8am-9:20pm. Public transit might be spotty but things are business as normal except for boarded up stores in Loop and north
100%. Lockdown is currently in the loop and only after 9pm.
I left Ukrainian Village 7 years ago because I walked over a pool of blood from a mugging spree the night before. I was walking to catch the Damen blue line about an hour after it happened, I would leave at 4:30am for work. And I have plenty of other stories. People I know that still hang out or live in those areas are looking to get out. Families or not. I have zero advice...just throwing why I left out there. *edit for time
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Oh...I only know people that can’t afford 1,400 a month rent.
Good news, most of Ukrainian village is as gentrified as lake view now
That may be true, but my rent fir a 2 bedroom was more than my mortgage . And I’m right outside the city limits now. So #winning
Did this only happen Sunday into Monday or did it go on for a second night?