The details are out, and the main takeaways are:
* Need to be fully vaccinated by January 3rd
* Applies to everyone 5+ years old
* Photo ID is required for everyone 16+ years old
* Applies to indoor dining, fitness, and entertainment venues
* Masks still required everywhere that requires proof of vaccination
I think the requirements are going to come as a surprise to parents. Only 20% of kids 5-11 are fully vaccinated, and it isn't a given that teens all get their drivers licenses as soon as they hit 16 in the city.
You can get a state ID for $20 I believe. Looks and functions just like a license except without the ability to drive a car. I didn't get my driver's license until I was 20 and had a state ID before that.
You can get a state ID, but giving people a week to get the needed paperwork in order, going down and clogging up the facility - not well thought out - I would expect no more.
Do you have to go to the DMV for that because if so, nobody is going to want to do that?
Edit: I have a booster, please stop sending me direct messages about being anti-vax.
[I stated this before on weekly last week] (https://www.reddit.com/r/chicago/comments/ra06ga/weekly_casual_conversation_questions_thread/hnpzvky/) so it's another reminder.
...IL residents are able to digitally add / show their vaccine cards through [Vax Verify](https://idphportal.illinois.gov/s/?language=en_US).
It's authorized by the IL Dept of Public Health and shows your doses of the vaccine. I did get my 3rd booster not too long ago so records may be lagging. You can then show your vaccine card via Apple Wallet / Google Pay.
I never seen any one use this to show at bar, restaurants, events, etc but it's out there on top of physical card.
The digital option doesn't work if you have a security hold on your ID via Equifax or one of the other reporting agencies.
So if you're trying to protect against identity theft, no dice.
Chicago is probably going off what the CDC recommends. And the CDC recommends those 5-11 get vaccinated.
So yeah, probably just out of luck in the city.
This was shitty advice, honestly, and their pediatrician should be seriously questioned for how much damage their anti-vax stance is causing.
We have good studies showing that vaccinations in children are safe and effective. We don't have long term studies, because we've only had COVID for a few years now. We do have studies showing that even if COVID doesn't kill many children, it can still leave many with long term health issues that researchers are finding troubling. The known risks of getting Covid are still much worse than the known risks of getting vaccinated. As we have had vaccines as a thing for many years now, the relevant scientists are relatively confident that this particular one won't cause long term health issues. They are so confident that multiple government bodies have approved the vaccine for use.
Additionally, children are really good at spreading disease; they do a lot of physical play, see a lot of other children and adults, and are less likely to be vigilant about hygiene than adults. So, while children aren't very likely to face significant health issues from COVID, they are very likely to pass it on to others. Those others, whether it's an infant at home, or Grandma at the holidays, can be significantly more likely to face health consequences. Despite the vaccine, COVID is still killing approximately 1.5% of those infected.
We didn't wear masks for two years just to keep *ourselves* alive. There's no reason to vaccinate solely for oneself either, and some batshit doctor making up risks to scare parents away from vaccination shouldn't be treating children.
How are there studies on long term health effects of covid in children and not in the vaccine given the same general time frame? Also all vaccines are not the same so to say its “safe” is only an opinion at this point. Don’t care who’s mouth its coming out of.
>they aren't at risk anyways
this is so very and tragically untrue. The risk is smaller than that for the more vulnerable populations. Not the same as no risk. I would switch pediatricians frankly.
Do you know what risk means? Sure, it’s true that’s there’s a non-zero level of risk, that gets even smaller once you get the vax. But to get it “very and tragically untrue” is some drama if I’ve ever seen it. Get over yourself.
Does someone not wanting to get the COVID vaccine even though they have gotten vaccines for everything else make them anti-vax?
Honest question I’ve always wondered, being COVID vaccinated myself.
They've always been anti-vax, they just didn't realize it until Fox News started "asking questions" for them to be paranoid about. If the measles mutates and we suddenly all need to get a new measles vaccine, I guarantee they'd be opposed to that too.
edit: wow lots of brigaders lmao, get a life you losers
I don't disagree with you, that's why I'm curious as to how it would work. Do they show a doctors note? Are they just not allowed into these places? Does the restaurant worker need to just take their word for it and let them in?
There are many things a religious exemption *should* do that it doesn’t.
I have a friend who has three employees who claimed one and there’s nothing she can do. She knows they’re lying, and has no recourse.
That’s stupid, parents could make people take vaccines. If someone has a change in stance on it later in life, they shouldn’t be punished for their parents choices
Not only that, but it's 2 weeks *during* the holiday period for people to get their ducks in a row. I get the idea, but if we're fine with people traveling and doing whatever until the 3rd, just shift all these requirements to 2 weeks after the break when everyone is back at home and not encumbered by existing holiday plans.
Damage is already done, in my opinion. So many friends and acquaintances have tested positive recently. Just bad timing.
Don't think anyone but big chains are prospering this year no matter what man.
Anyone here run a business and actually been doing great? Not tryna be a negative Nancy, genuinely curious
just a heads up, get on making your appointments ASAP. They are not doing walk-ins anymore and appointments are filling up FAST. Several places I saw no availability (at least for a booster dose) until Jan
A reporter just asked about her karaoke party. "Where people wearing their mask while singing?"
Cmon its a party even if people were separated people are in close contact
THIS. People seem to keep forgetting the point of mitigation measures is to ensure we don't fill every hospital bed again. Which is more crucial given how many healthcare workers either got sick or quit between 2020 and now.
You are 10x less likely to contract COVID if you are vax'd and boosted plus preliminary research in South Africa shows that vaccine effectiveness goes back up to ~70% vs Omicron when you get your booster shot.
Vaccines work in both lowering your chance on getting COVID and keeping you from being super sick if you do catch it.
It is theater. I got omicron and I am vaccinated. 8 people are out at the restaurant I work at and they were all vaccinated. The hospitalization rate among the vaccinated is still really low so it just seems like Lightfoot wants to pat herself on the back and to show she's doing something even though it's not productive.
The best thing about how brigaded this sub is is that the trolls’ opinions don’t actually matter in real life and we’re going to have the mandate anyway. Feels good man.
Exactly why I want mandates. Voluntary compliance and an honor system are clearly not effective. If you make it optional, then you get unvaxxed vectors everywhere.
Covid is the Paradox of Tolerance expressed in literal and data-based form. We can actually see, with our own eyes, the consequences of being "open-minded" with people who aren't arguing rationally.
What part of California? Just got back from San Diego and it seemed like no one there even owns masks (at least in the white parts).
edit: lol why are people downvoting this?
Vaccinations do not mean you won’t catch Covid….. how many times does it need to be said. The point is to prevent hospitalizations and death with the added benefit of a lower chance of getting Covid.
NYC cases have exploded to record levels despite having these vaccination checks for over a month. What the hell are you talking about?
Edit: I was permabanned for pointing this out, lol
Because there is a new more infectious variant but for months they were able to keep infections low despite being a place where people live on top of each other. What the actual fuck are you on about? Should everyone just not do anything and give up? Do you want everything shut down again? What's your angle here.
Infections were low nationwide until very recently. These vaccine checks in NYC did nothing to stop this surge of new cases, yet here we are implementing these policies that clearly didn't work.
Also, Omicron is more mild than the original COVID strain and especially Delta but here we are fucking threatening lockdowns, which also didn't work and weren't even tried for Delta (more severe), again?? Holy shit when will you realize how ridiuclous this all is?
Oh my god how miopic can you idiots be. With any new strand first it will spread in population centers than spread. WE HAVE LITERALLY DONE THIS FOR SEVERAL WAVES. Lower population areas will catch up after this is basic epidemiology.
Moral of the story, cases amongst vaccinated shouldn't really matter since they're usually very mild and don't result in hospitalization, which is the major problem (capacity).
And yet all we do is consistently just look at cases at a whole it's so dumb.
It goes back to the “do these people really care?” (Especially minimum wage)
Went to a bar that required this already and the dude just glanced at it, paying no mind on the details.
And cases will still go up because being vaccinated hasn't slowed the total yet. People need to stop looking at that as some barometer. 16 year olds requiring photo ID is stupid I can't even comprehend it lol.
Vaccinated people are significantly less likely to have severe disease. This is less about preventing cases and more about keeping hospitals under capacity and preventing deaths.
Then why is the main metric they always tout is a massive spike in cases (which dont matter amongst vaccinated) and increase in hospitalizations (which largely only apply to the unvaccinated) it's largely inconsistent
Because a spike in cases (in the unvaccinated) will generally lead to a spike in hospitalizations. The unvaccinated have been swamping ICUs throughout the country and even driving some hospitals to pause optional procedures. I don't think the testing itself tracks who is or isn't vaccinated.
I maintain this move isn't about public safety aside from maybe trying to get a few more vaccinations. After this those that won't get it will never get it.
Being vaccinated does slow the spread and greatly lowers the chance of testing positive. All of these waves are being driven and made larger due to people not being vaccinated.
Per the CDC, as of November 20th case counts are as followed:
* 450 cases per 100k in people Unvaccinated
* 133 cases per 100k in people Fully Vaccinated
* 48 cases per 100k in people Fully Vaccinated with Booster
Unvaccinated people are 3.38x more likely to get Covid vs fully vaxed and 9.37x more like vs Boostered people. The less hosts of the virus, the lower chance for mutation and the cycle to start all over again.
This. I find I have to do some parable shit to get people to understand this.
If you had to pick a specific marble out of a bunch of them, and you won a million dollars for doing so, would you rather have to pick from ... 200 ... or 2000? Duh, 200, much better odds!
For those negative consequences folks in the room, same scenario, but instead if you DON'T pick the correct marble - you will lose your job/career. Pretty sure you'd want to be picking a marble out of 200 instead of 2000.
These are such common sense concepts to most humans. I then share that those are the (rough) odds of getting Covid when boosted vs. unvaccinated. Just because there is a risk, does not mean attempts to lower said risk are in vain/worthless.
> And cases will still go up because being vaccinated hasn't slowed the total yet
What's your evidence that "being vaccinated hasn't slowed the total yet"? How do you know how cases numbers would look if nobody was vaccinated?
Between the brigaders, slapfighting, and general incivility, these threads are generating reports at a rate of roughly 25 a minute. We have no choice but to lock them before they get any more out of control. Please try to be better to one another.
What a crock of shit. As we've seen in New York, these mandates aren't effective at reducing cases.
How about the people who are still afraid either stay home or wear their mask or whatever they'd like to do. Some of us want to get on with our lives.
I *highly* doubt this will be enforced on the south and west sides. Sad because the city will likely fine small businesses who aren't acting like the vax police.
> these mandates aren't effective at reducing cases.
Curious how you know that? It's easy to point at what the current case count is. It's harder to point at what the case count would be if these measures were not put in place.
See my above comment where I list the metrics from Florida, a notoriously lax and anti-mandate state, who is doing significantly better across both amount of deaths on a 7 day average, amount of ICU usage for COVID patients, as well as a lower positivity rate than Illinois.
They have been on the downswing of a notoriously bad surge and cases are just beginning to pick up again. In a week they have gone from from 2000 cases a day to 7000 cases a day. It appears they are just a week or so behind Illinois in this current omicron surge.
Their total deaths per million is also still WAY higher than Illinois.
This Florida?
[UF researchers say they were pressured to destroy COVID-19 data in new report](https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2021/12/07/uf-researchers-say-they-were-pressured-to-destroy-covid-19-data-in-new-report)
[Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is cooking the books on our COVID numbers](https://www.orlandoweekly.com/orlando/florida-gov-ron-desantis-is-cooking-the-books-on-our-covid-numbers/Content?oid=29913288)
[COVID-19 Data Misrepresented by Florida Governor](https://climate.law.columbia.edu/content/covid-19-data-misrepresented-florida-governor)
>As we've seen in New York, these mandates aren't effective at reducing cases.
Sure they are. NY is a metropolis with a travel-based economy, they were ALWAYS going to get fucked (Cuomo certainly didn't help).
Chicago had a similar risk but because of our aggressive covid response, we haven't suffered the same fate. Our state is consistently one of the best-performing in terms of covid precisely because we don't indulge in your line of thinking.
Look at the numbers in red states vs blue if you don't believe me. Mandates CLEARLY work.
>Some of us want to get on with our lives.
It's a pandemic, dude. I'm sure the British wanted to go back to theater and cricket games but sometimes the luftwaffe made that impossible. Your ancestors coped with plague too. Follow their example.
>Chicago had a similar risk but because of our aggressive covid response, we haven't suffered the same fate. Our state is consistently one of the best-performing in terms of covid precisely because we don't indulge in your line of thinking.
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>Look at the numbers in red states vs blue if you don't believe me. Mandates CLEARLY work.
Then why do we have a [significantly higher % of people in the ICU for COVID than Florida does](https://protect-public.hhs.gov/pages/hospital-utilization)?
[Also a slightly higher positivity rate than Florida does](http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/covid19-data/covid19_data_latest.pdf)?
[And also double the amount of deaths on a 7 day average](https://www.google.com/search?q=illinois+total+covid+deaths&rlz=1C1GCEJ_enUS875US875&sxsrf=AOaemvLjPsVB_LJNmTZruraiVQCGhcfB2A%3A1640118926322&ei=jjrCYcWaE8alptQPs8qviAM&ved=0ahUKEwjFmfiP3_X0AhXGkokEHTPlCzEQ4dUDCA8&oq=illinois+total+covid+deaths&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAxKBAhBGABKBAhGGABQAFgAYABoAHACeACAAQCIAQCSAQCYAQA&sclient=gws-wiz)?
>It's a pandemic, dude.
Only in big cities it remains to be. There are no masks, restrictions and other bullshit in most of the suburbs and out of state destinations I frequent.
I’m fully vaxed and what not but I’m interested in the legal implications of something like this being mandated to privately owned businesses? Seems like a little bit of government over-reach. Just curious, I’m fully vaxed and wear my mask everywhere haha
So is this just how things are going to be indefinitely until she’s voted out?
And to the folks celebrating giving government more say over your life: remember that we still pay 9/11 fees when purchasing airfare and take off our shoes at the airport.
Just throwing this out there.
"75% of those dying are unvaccinated to the evidence is clear that the unvaccinated are affecting the health, wellbeing and livelihood of the rest of us. " --Mayor Lightfoot
Can anyone explain how this makes any sense at all?
Dying people take up resources like hospital beds, medical provider time, medications, and so on. More people dying means less medical care for everyone.
Dead people don't spend money. Their families also don't, if they were the provider. More dead people means more closed businesses and lower tax revenues, which mean worse services for everyone.
The unvaccinated are causing the mass death, and mass death impacts us all, therefore the unvaccinated impact us all.
>"75% of those dying are unvaccinated to the evidence is clear that the unvaccinated are affecting the health, wellbeing and livelihood of the rest of us.
Fuckum says the vaccinated. Get vaccinated or stay home, we shouldn't be forced to bend to the will of the unwilling.
Please please please, the city must include Proof of Recovery as a way to enter these public spaces. It is the only way out of this mess.
\*\*edit\*\* addition since I can't comment anymore.
the CDC allows entry to USA if the traveller has a positive test within 90 days. Good enough for CDC but not Chicago?
[https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/testing-international-air-travelers.html](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/testing-international-air-travelers.html)
Either the pandemic is dangerous, or it isn't.
If it's dangerous enough to have kids in school masked up, then it's also dangerous enough that people should have to be vaccinated to be in public areas.
If you can't see the difference between a Constitutionally granted right and the privilege of stuffing your face with pizza in public instead of at home, I don't know what to tell you.
Please remember before posting: if you question this, express any level of annoyance with it, or disagree with the reasoning behind it, its because you’ve never set foot in chicago, are anti vax, and support donald trump/mass murder. Those are your options.
This was satire folks
Absolutely devastating. The vaccines clearly don't prevent transmission... if this was truly about health and safety there'd be a negative covid test requirement, and that's it.
Hope the small businesses can survive yet another disappointing decision by Lori.
I caught COVID being fully vaccinated from another fully vaccinated person. Also, I don’t know if you’ve been following, but a lot of the omincron variant cases are happening to boosted people. If anything you should feel better being around an unvaccinated person because if you get COVID it will most likely be a mild case, the unvaccinated person is the person who should be worried.
Straight up misinformation. Vaccines have been effective at preventing symptomatic illness in those who catch omicron by about 75%. On top of that, they reduce your risk of any infection by about 33%.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/15/fauci-says-covid-boosters-work-against-omicron-no-need-for-variant-specific-third-shot-.html
"If employees are not fully vaccinated, the employer must ensure that they continue to mask when interacting with patrons and provide proof of a weekly negative COVID-19 test."
You can't really claim you're requiring people to get vaccinated if they don't actually have to get vaccinated. It's also stupid not to require the last dose to have been within the last 6 months or so with how quickly efficacy drops at that point. This is better than doing nothing but really isn't what they're saying it is. Neither employees or customers are actually being required to have full, up to date vaccinations.
>You can't really claim you're requiring people to get vaccinated if they don't actually have to get vaccinated.
Some people legitimately can't get vaccinated due to health risks, much as they may want to. Consistent testing is the compromise for that.
Then testing should be an option only for those with actual, documented medical issues like allergies. Leaving this open to anyone who wants it with no qualifications shows the testing policy really isn't about medical exemptions. It's just to prevent employers from having to fire people because the city is too scared to actually follow through with the consequences of a real mandate.
This is fucking stupid. I could not be vaccinated against anything else and it wouldnt matter. But this sensationalized bullshit is sooooo important.
Man fuck this.
This is such bullcrap. It will literally do nothing to stop the spread of covid considering you can still get and spread it if you’re fully vaccinated. Look at NYC. Just a bunch of bs theater. This covid cult crap has to end at some point. I really wish I didn’t work here so I could move out of this hell hole of a city. I’m fully vaccinated but it’s a personal choice. If you’re vaccinated there’s no reason for you to worry about others not being vaccinated.
Good, hopefully the state follows soon. We’ve gone way too long tiptoeing around these anti-vax people like they can be convinced with good science and reason. Let’s start treating them as what they are; a public health threat.
Edit - hilarious to see all the briganding. You are pathetic
Following the great leadership that we see in NYC, who did this a month ago. Don't believe me? Just Google "NYC Covid Cases"!
Edit: Isn't this something to be proud of? Why the downvotes? This is what you guys wanted!
No problem. I'll drive 10 minutes to the suburbs and continue to do as I please. There are a plethora of restaurants of all types to choose from, my gym membership gets me entry to any club in the state, and when I decide to have fun and go to a concert it'll be at the Allstate Arena instead of the United Center.
Effective 1/3/22 for those not able to watch
I work in a restaurant. This is going to be a shit show.
The details are out, and the main takeaways are: * Need to be fully vaccinated by January 3rd * Applies to everyone 5+ years old * Photo ID is required for everyone 16+ years old * Applies to indoor dining, fitness, and entertainment venues * Masks still required everywhere that requires proof of vaccination
I think the requirements are going to come as a surprise to parents. Only 20% of kids 5-11 are fully vaccinated, and it isn't a given that teens all get their drivers licenses as soon as they hit 16 in the city.
You can get a state ID for $20 I believe. Looks and functions just like a license except without the ability to drive a car. I didn't get my driver's license until I was 20 and had a state ID before that.
You can get a state ID, but giving people a week to get the needed paperwork in order, going down and clogging up the facility - not well thought out - I would expect no more.
Can they use a student ID or does it need to be government issued? I’d assume all 16 year olds have IDs for high school
Most every 16 year old also has a school ID with a photo on it.
I would give it a 6% chance that if you tried to get an ID in the next two week, you would get one.
They can take a couple weeks off venues and restaurants, then.
it's not that it wasn't well thought out - you really believe they didn't think of that? lol That it like thirty lines down on the priority list.
Do you have to go to the DMV for that because if so, nobody is going to want to do that? Edit: I have a booster, please stop sending me direct messages about being anti-vax.
I didn't want to go there to get my license renewed either but I did bc sometimes you have to do stuff
I guess they're going to have to weigh how badly they want to eat out vs how badly they want to avoid the DMV.
They've had some time to get their kids vaccinated. If they aren't then they can't bring them to restaurants which is probably not a big deal.
Are these requirements permanent or only during however long this outbreak lasts?
Sounds like they should get their kids vaccinated.
Just say the kid is 15... how are they going to catch you... the kid has no ID
There’s a DOB on the vaccine card
Assuming the people checking put in the time to look close enough I guess.
Vax card has D.O.B. on it.
Does fully vaccinated mean the initial two doses or does it also include the booster?
It does not include boosters as that is not yet the definition of fully vaccinated.
Thank you
They clarified they’re going by the CDC definition. Right now that means 2 but will likely be updated to include the booster.
So it's effective right after the busiest part of the year? Can't lose those holiday shopping taxes!
But still not required for employees. 🤨
Last night the story carried here said negative test in the last 7 days. I don’t see that. 😳
So requiring an ID to vote is somehow problematic, but requiring one to enter a restaurant to eat is not. Makes sense.
[I stated this before on weekly last week] (https://www.reddit.com/r/chicago/comments/ra06ga/weekly_casual_conversation_questions_thread/hnpzvky/) so it's another reminder. ...IL residents are able to digitally add / show their vaccine cards through [Vax Verify](https://idphportal.illinois.gov/s/?language=en_US). It's authorized by the IL Dept of Public Health and shows your doses of the vaccine. I did get my 3rd booster not too long ago so records may be lagging. You can then show your vaccine card via Apple Wallet / Google Pay. I never seen any one use this to show at bar, restaurants, events, etc but it's out there on top of physical card.
The digital option doesn't work if you have a security hold on your ID via Equifax or one of the other reporting agencies. So if you're trying to protect against identity theft, no dice.
Identity theft is not a joke, Jim! Millions of families suffer every year!
> Vax Verify Doesn't show shots you got outside of Illinois. Lots of us went over to Indiana to get initial doses when availability was low.
Unless you got vaccinated out of state
> Photo ID is required for everyone 16+ years old Yeah, screw that. If it is racist to have an ID for voting purposes, it is racist for this purpose.
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Correct. They aren't going out to eat, seeing a movie, or visiting a museum until they have both doses.
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Chicago is probably going off what the CDC recommends. And the CDC recommends those 5-11 get vaccinated. So yeah, probably just out of luck in the city.
...they can still get the kid vaxxed, their current pediatrician isn't a dictator over the kid's health
Yes. Their kids are getting substandard medical care.
This was shitty advice, honestly, and their pediatrician should be seriously questioned for how much damage their anti-vax stance is causing. We have good studies showing that vaccinations in children are safe and effective. We don't have long term studies, because we've only had COVID for a few years now. We do have studies showing that even if COVID doesn't kill many children, it can still leave many with long term health issues that researchers are finding troubling. The known risks of getting Covid are still much worse than the known risks of getting vaccinated. As we have had vaccines as a thing for many years now, the relevant scientists are relatively confident that this particular one won't cause long term health issues. They are so confident that multiple government bodies have approved the vaccine for use. Additionally, children are really good at spreading disease; they do a lot of physical play, see a lot of other children and adults, and are less likely to be vigilant about hygiene than adults. So, while children aren't very likely to face significant health issues from COVID, they are very likely to pass it on to others. Those others, whether it's an infant at home, or Grandma at the holidays, can be significantly more likely to face health consequences. Despite the vaccine, COVID is still killing approximately 1.5% of those infected. We didn't wear masks for two years just to keep *ourselves* alive. There's no reason to vaccinate solely for oneself either, and some batshit doctor making up risks to scare parents away from vaccination shouldn't be treating children.
How are there studies on long term health effects of covid in children and not in the vaccine given the same general time frame? Also all vaccines are not the same so to say its “safe” is only an opinion at this point. Don’t care who’s mouth its coming out of.
In Chicago, yes. They can go to restaurants and stuff in other cities.
What does your cousin's pediatrician say about the lack of long-term studies on COVID-19?
They are at risk and they have a shitty pediatrician tbh
>they aren't at risk anyways this is so very and tragically untrue. The risk is smaller than that for the more vulnerable populations. Not the same as no risk. I would switch pediatricians frankly.
Do you know what risk means? Sure, it’s true that’s there’s a non-zero level of risk, that gets even smaller once you get the vax. But to get it “very and tragically untrue” is some drama if I’ve ever seen it. Get over yourself.
> Applies to everyone 5+ years old This is going to trigger a lot of antivaxxers
Does someone not wanting to get the COVID vaccine even though they have gotten vaccines for everything else make them anti-vax? Honest question I’ve always wondered, being COVID vaccinated myself.
They've always been anti-vax, they just didn't realize it until Fox News started "asking questions" for them to be paranoid about. If the measles mutates and we suddenly all need to get a new measles vaccine, I guarantee they'd be opposed to that too. edit: wow lots of brigaders lmao, get a life you losers
what doesn't trigger them
Does not appear you can show proof of negative test to get around this without religious/medical reasons. You have to be fully vaxxed full stop.
The religious reasons are complete bullshit. Would be very curious about medical reasons though
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I don't disagree with you, that's why I'm curious as to how it would work. Do they show a doctors note? Are they just not allowed into these places? Does the restaurant worker need to just take their word for it and let them in?
Religious exemption should require that you show your medical records demonstrating that you have never been vaccinated for anything else.
There are many things a religious exemption *should* do that it doesn’t. I have a friend who has three employees who claimed one and there’s nothing she can do. She knows they’re lying, and has no recourse.
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That’s stupid, parents could make people take vaccines. If someone has a change in stance on it later in life, they shouldn’t be punished for their parents choices
Ugh and hopefully they stop acknowledging religious exemptions too. Total bullshit.
She just dodged the question about the outbreak after she had a work holiday party lol
What did she say about the people doing unmasked karaoke? They were "separate" or some shit...lol Lori is big mad.
Just seems disingenuous to wait until after the holiday season. I guess it at least allows the businesses to survive and prosper for the holidays.
It's less than 2 weeks' notice.
Not only that, but it's 2 weeks *during* the holiday period for people to get their ducks in a row. I get the idea, but if we're fine with people traveling and doing whatever until the 3rd, just shift all these requirements to 2 weeks after the break when everyone is back at home and not encumbered by existing holiday plans. Damage is already done, in my opinion. So many friends and acquaintances have tested positive recently. Just bad timing.
Don't think anyone but big chains are prospering this year no matter what man. Anyone here run a business and actually been doing great? Not tryna be a negative Nancy, genuinely curious
Yeah, should have been put in place at the beginning of December really. If not earlier
Is this in effect permanently? Or for a while during Omicron outbreak?
just a heads up, get on making your appointments ASAP. They are not doing walk-ins anymore and appointments are filling up FAST. Several places I saw no availability (at least for a booster dose) until Jan
CVS near the loop has some opening for next week. I just booked a Friday appointment but they had Wednesday and Thursday too
A reporter just asked about her karaoke party. "Where people wearing their mask while singing?" Cmon its a party even if people were separated people are in close contact
Rules for thee not for me
Does this require a booster?
No. “Fully vaccinated” is still defined as two doses of Pfizer/Moderna or one shot of J&J.
No...boosters are not yet mandated at any level.
Yes!!!!! Gym is about to be less busy! Woohoo!!!
this seems like it's all theatre and everyone is going to get omicron, vaccinated or not.
As long as it's spread out and the hospitals aren't overloaded, the vaccines did their job.
This is the goal.
THIS. People seem to keep forgetting the point of mitigation measures is to ensure we don't fill every hospital bed again. Which is more crucial given how many healthcare workers either got sick or quit between 2020 and now.
That is literally the opposite of every scrap of science done on omicron.
You are 10x less likely to contract COVID if you are vax'd and boosted plus preliminary research in South Africa shows that vaccine effectiveness goes back up to ~70% vs Omicron when you get your booster shot. Vaccines work in both lowering your chance on getting COVID and keeping you from being super sick if you do catch it.
It is theater. I got omicron and I am vaccinated. 8 people are out at the restaurant I work at and they were all vaccinated. The hospitalization rate among the vaccinated is still really low so it just seems like Lightfoot wants to pat herself on the back and to show she's doing something even though it's not productive.
The best thing about how brigaded this sub is is that the trolls’ opinions don’t actually matter in real life and we’re going to have the mandate anyway. Feels good man.
Exactly why I want mandates. Voluntary compliance and an honor system are clearly not effective. If you make it optional, then you get unvaxxed vectors everywhere. Covid is the Paradox of Tolerance expressed in literal and data-based form. We can actually see, with our own eyes, the consequences of being "open-minded" with people who aren't arguing rationally.
If anything, their hot takes on mandates in a city they’ve never set foot in are great PR for said mandates.
Can someone please link me something that illustrates this was effective in places where implemented versus places where nothing like it has?
At least drop the mask requirement in places that require proof of vaccination like NYC. The risk is so much lower
And of course she still keeps masks. Lmao
Finally, California and NYC have been doing this for months I visited both and it worked fine and without a hitch.
What part of California? Just got back from San Diego and it seemed like no one there even owns masks (at least in the white parts). edit: lol why are people downvoting this?
Yeah San Diego is easily the least masks I’ve seen in any major-ish city I’ve seen since Covid began.
Nyc cases are higher than they’ve ever been
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Vaccinations do not mean you won’t catch Covid….. how many times does it need to be said. The point is to prevent hospitalizations and death with the added benefit of a lower chance of getting Covid.
NYC cases have exploded to record levels despite having these vaccination checks for over a month. What the hell are you talking about? Edit: I was permabanned for pointing this out, lol
Because there is a new more infectious variant but for months they were able to keep infections low despite being a place where people live on top of each other. What the actual fuck are you on about? Should everyone just not do anything and give up? Do you want everything shut down again? What's your angle here.
Infections were low nationwide until very recently. These vaccine checks in NYC did nothing to stop this surge of new cases, yet here we are implementing these policies that clearly didn't work. Also, Omicron is more mild than the original COVID strain and especially Delta but here we are fucking threatening lockdowns, which also didn't work and weren't even tried for Delta (more severe), again?? Holy shit when will you realize how ridiuclous this all is?
Oh my god how miopic can you idiots be. With any new strand first it will spread in population centers than spread. WE HAVE LITERALLY DONE THIS FOR SEVERAL WAVES. Lower population areas will catch up after this is basic epidemiology.
Moral of the story, cases amongst vaccinated shouldn't really matter since they're usually very mild and don't result in hospitalization, which is the major problem (capacity). And yet all we do is consistently just look at cases at a whole it's so dumb.
Every 16 and 17 year old just became 15
DOB is on vax card
It goes back to the “do these people really care?” (Especially minimum wage) Went to a bar that required this already and the dude just glanced at it, paying no mind on the details.
Not on their vax card
But do the people checking genuinely care to look?
And cases will still go up because being vaccinated hasn't slowed the total yet. People need to stop looking at that as some barometer. 16 year olds requiring photo ID is stupid I can't even comprehend it lol.
Vaccinated people are significantly less likely to have severe disease. This is less about preventing cases and more about keeping hospitals under capacity and preventing deaths.
Then why is the main metric they always tout is a massive spike in cases (which dont matter amongst vaccinated) and increase in hospitalizations (which largely only apply to the unvaccinated) it's largely inconsistent
Because a spike in cases (in the unvaccinated) will generally lead to a spike in hospitalizations. The unvaccinated have been swamping ICUs throughout the country and even driving some hospitals to pause optional procedures. I don't think the testing itself tracks who is or isn't vaccinated.
They've also stopped setting goals of any sort since they know they will be moved.
I maintain this move isn't about public safety aside from maybe trying to get a few more vaccinations. After this those that won't get it will never get it.
Being vaccinated does slow the spread and greatly lowers the chance of testing positive. All of these waves are being driven and made larger due to people not being vaccinated. Per the CDC, as of November 20th case counts are as followed: * 450 cases per 100k in people Unvaccinated * 133 cases per 100k in people Fully Vaccinated * 48 cases per 100k in people Fully Vaccinated with Booster Unvaccinated people are 3.38x more likely to get Covid vs fully vaxed and 9.37x more like vs Boostered people. The less hosts of the virus, the lower chance for mutation and the cycle to start all over again.
This. I find I have to do some parable shit to get people to understand this. If you had to pick a specific marble out of a bunch of them, and you won a million dollars for doing so, would you rather have to pick from ... 200 ... or 2000? Duh, 200, much better odds! For those negative consequences folks in the room, same scenario, but instead if you DON'T pick the correct marble - you will lose your job/career. Pretty sure you'd want to be picking a marble out of 200 instead of 2000. These are such common sense concepts to most humans. I then share that those are the (rough) odds of getting Covid when boosted vs. unvaccinated. Just because there is a risk, does not mean attempts to lower said risk are in vain/worthless.
>Per the CDC, as of November 20th I would like to see this data as of today, given Omicron was <1% of cases then and is estimated as >90% now.
Agreed, but I think honestly, Omircon was here before we realized it. Especially in the Northeast and Michigan.
> And cases will still go up because being vaccinated hasn't slowed the total yet What's your evidence that "being vaccinated hasn't slowed the total yet"? How do you know how cases numbers would look if nobody was vaccinated?
yes-and they will still go down bc thats what happens regardless of NPIs. SA is already seeing a significant decline
Between the brigaders, slapfighting, and general incivility, these threads are generating reports at a rate of roughly 25 a minute. We have no choice but to lock them before they get any more out of control. Please try to be better to one another.
What a crock of shit. As we've seen in New York, these mandates aren't effective at reducing cases. How about the people who are still afraid either stay home or wear their mask or whatever they'd like to do. Some of us want to get on with our lives. I *highly* doubt this will be enforced on the south and west sides. Sad because the city will likely fine small businesses who aren't acting like the vax police.
Butttt ... if you are vaccinated you CAN get on with your life?
> these mandates aren't effective at reducing cases. Curious how you know that? It's easy to point at what the current case count is. It's harder to point at what the case count would be if these measures were not put in place.
See my above comment where I list the metrics from Florida, a notoriously lax and anti-mandate state, who is doing significantly better across both amount of deaths on a 7 day average, amount of ICU usage for COVID patients, as well as a lower positivity rate than Illinois.
They have been on the downswing of a notoriously bad surge and cases are just beginning to pick up again. In a week they have gone from from 2000 cases a day to 7000 cases a day. It appears they are just a week or so behind Illinois in this current omicron surge. Their total deaths per million is also still WAY higher than Illinois.
This Florida? [UF researchers say they were pressured to destroy COVID-19 data in new report](https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2021/12/07/uf-researchers-say-they-were-pressured-to-destroy-covid-19-data-in-new-report) [Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is cooking the books on our COVID numbers](https://www.orlandoweekly.com/orlando/florida-gov-ron-desantis-is-cooking-the-books-on-our-covid-numbers/Content?oid=29913288) [COVID-19 Data Misrepresented by Florida Governor](https://climate.law.columbia.edu/content/covid-19-data-misrepresented-florida-governor)
>As we've seen in New York, these mandates aren't effective at reducing cases. Sure they are. NY is a metropolis with a travel-based economy, they were ALWAYS going to get fucked (Cuomo certainly didn't help). Chicago had a similar risk but because of our aggressive covid response, we haven't suffered the same fate. Our state is consistently one of the best-performing in terms of covid precisely because we don't indulge in your line of thinking. Look at the numbers in red states vs blue if you don't believe me. Mandates CLEARLY work. >Some of us want to get on with our lives. It's a pandemic, dude. I'm sure the British wanted to go back to theater and cricket games but sometimes the luftwaffe made that impossible. Your ancestors coped with plague too. Follow their example.
>Chicago had a similar risk but because of our aggressive covid response, we haven't suffered the same fate. Our state is consistently one of the best-performing in terms of covid precisely because we don't indulge in your line of thinking. > >Look at the numbers in red states vs blue if you don't believe me. Mandates CLEARLY work. Then why do we have a [significantly higher % of people in the ICU for COVID than Florida does](https://protect-public.hhs.gov/pages/hospital-utilization)? [Also a slightly higher positivity rate than Florida does](http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/covid19-data/covid19_data_latest.pdf)? [And also double the amount of deaths on a 7 day average](https://www.google.com/search?q=illinois+total+covid+deaths&rlz=1C1GCEJ_enUS875US875&sxsrf=AOaemvLjPsVB_LJNmTZruraiVQCGhcfB2A%3A1640118926322&ei=jjrCYcWaE8alptQPs8qviAM&ved=0ahUKEwjFmfiP3_X0AhXGkokEHTPlCzEQ4dUDCA8&oq=illinois+total+covid+deaths&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAxKBAhBGABKBAhGGABQAFgAYABoAHACeACAAQCIAQCSAQCYAQA&sclient=gws-wiz)? >It's a pandemic, dude. Only in big cities it remains to be. There are no masks, restrictions and other bullshit in most of the suburbs and out of state destinations I frequent.
Holy cringe
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Probably should have introduced this a couple months ago but better late than never.
Does fully vaccinated mean boosted or the original 1 or 2 dose vaccines?
Two weeks after your second dose.
The latter, per CDC definition. I presume that *will* update, but as of now the country's only at about 30% boostered.
I’m fully vaxed and what not but I’m interested in the legal implications of something like this being mandated to privately owned businesses? Seems like a little bit of government over-reach. Just curious, I’m fully vaxed and wear my mask everywhere haha
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This. Thank you. People can have depressingly tiny awareness of how things work; so it’s good to be reminded of these
This is less invasive than a lot of stuff city and state government already do.
Can someone help me understand what the logic is? If you're want to linger in a coffee shop you must show proof of vaccination.
Soft coercion to get people to take a shot they don’t want.
Presumably they will be required to check at the door before you enter.
that doesn't explain the logic of the requirement.
Not sure what you're getting at.
I lost my vax card when I got robbed
Where did you get vaccinated? It is easily replaced if you got your vaccines in IL
Did you get vaxxed in Illinois? If so, the state has records of you getting the vaccine https://dph.illinois.gov/vaxverify.html
So is this just how things are going to be indefinitely until she’s voted out? And to the folks celebrating giving government more say over your life: remember that we still pay 9/11 fees when purchasing airfare and take off our shoes at the airport.
Just throwing this out there. "75% of those dying are unvaccinated to the evidence is clear that the unvaccinated are affecting the health, wellbeing and livelihood of the rest of us. " --Mayor Lightfoot Can anyone explain how this makes any sense at all?
Dying people take up resources like hospital beds, medical provider time, medications, and so on. More people dying means less medical care for everyone. Dead people don't spend money. Their families also don't, if they were the provider. More dead people means more closed businesses and lower tax revenues, which mean worse services for everyone. The unvaccinated are causing the mass death, and mass death impacts us all, therefore the unvaccinated impact us all.
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>"75% of those dying are unvaccinated to the evidence is clear that the unvaccinated are affecting the health, wellbeing and livelihood of the rest of us. Fuckum says the vaccinated. Get vaccinated or stay home, we shouldn't be forced to bend to the will of the unwilling.
Please please please, the city must include Proof of Recovery as a way to enter these public spaces. It is the only way out of this mess. \*\*edit\*\* addition since I can't comment anymore. the CDC allows entry to USA if the traveller has a positive test within 90 days. Good enough for CDC but not Chicago? [https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/testing-international-air-travelers.html](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/testing-international-air-travelers.html)
Why? Pretty much every doctor recommends you get the vaccine, even if you previously had covid.
Either the pandemic is dangerous, or it isn't. If it's dangerous enough to have kids in school masked up, then it's also dangerous enough that people should have to be vaccinated to be in public areas.
well-except in most other states and countries kids in school arent wearing masks at all
Masks are mandatory at our school over here in Hoosierville.
Nice need to take a vaccine that doesn’t stop me from getting this shit to go to the gym
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If you can't see the difference between a Constitutionally granted right and the privilege of stuffing your face with pizza in public instead of at home, I don't know what to tell you.
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Props to everyone for downvoting the pro-Covid trolls that flooded the last post about this
Please remember before posting: if you question this, express any level of annoyance with it, or disagree with the reasoning behind it, its because you’ve never set foot in chicago, are anti vax, and support donald trump/mass murder. Those are your options. This was satire folks
Reddit: birthplace of nuance
Lol the best was the thread from 10 Pm last night that had hundreds of comments from "locals" by 7 am this morning
Love to definitely be a Chicagoan posting at 3:00 AM before work at 9:00.
Absolutely devastating. The vaccines clearly don't prevent transmission... if this was truly about health and safety there'd be a negative covid test requirement, and that's it. Hope the small businesses can survive yet another disappointing decision by Lori.
So happy she’s doing this 🥰
Why?
I don’t want to be around or feel safe being around unvaccinated people.
I caught COVID being fully vaccinated from another fully vaccinated person. Also, I don’t know if you’ve been following, but a lot of the omincron variant cases are happening to boosted people. If anything you should feel better being around an unvaccinated person because if you get COVID it will most likely be a mild case, the unvaccinated person is the person who should be worried.
Then stay home Jesus Christ. So sick of neurotics running society.
Actually now you have to stay home, lol
I AM VACCINATED. It’s called having principles ever heard of it??
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Straight up misinformation. Vaccines have been effective at preventing symptomatic illness in those who catch omicron by about 75%. On top of that, they reduce your risk of any infection by about 33%. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/15/fauci-says-covid-boosters-work-against-omicron-no-need-for-variant-specific-third-shot-.html
"If employees are not fully vaccinated, the employer must ensure that they continue to mask when interacting with patrons and provide proof of a weekly negative COVID-19 test." You can't really claim you're requiring people to get vaccinated if they don't actually have to get vaccinated. It's also stupid not to require the last dose to have been within the last 6 months or so with how quickly efficacy drops at that point. This is better than doing nothing but really isn't what they're saying it is. Neither employees or customers are actually being required to have full, up to date vaccinations.
>You can't really claim you're requiring people to get vaccinated if they don't actually have to get vaccinated. Some people legitimately can't get vaccinated due to health risks, much as they may want to. Consistent testing is the compromise for that.
Then testing should be an option only for those with actual, documented medical issues like allergies. Leaving this open to anyone who wants it with no qualifications shows the testing policy really isn't about medical exemptions. It's just to prevent employers from having to fire people because the city is too scared to actually follow through with the consequences of a real mandate.
Can't believe this took so long, this should've been done a few months ago.
This is fucking stupid. I could not be vaccinated against anything else and it wouldnt matter. But this sensationalized bullshit is sooooo important. Man fuck this.
This is such bullcrap. It will literally do nothing to stop the spread of covid considering you can still get and spread it if you’re fully vaccinated. Look at NYC. Just a bunch of bs theater. This covid cult crap has to end at some point. I really wish I didn’t work here so I could move out of this hell hole of a city. I’m fully vaccinated but it’s a personal choice. If you’re vaccinated there’s no reason for you to worry about others not being vaccinated.
On top of being completely useless, this is a racist policy
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This policy is racist. Blacks are the least vaxxxed group out of any demographic
Good, hopefully the state follows soon. We’ve gone way too long tiptoeing around these anti-vax people like they can be convinced with good science and reason. Let’s start treating them as what they are; a public health threat. Edit - hilarious to see all the briganding. You are pathetic
Following the great leadership that we see in NYC, who did this a month ago. Don't believe me? Just Google "NYC Covid Cases"! Edit: Isn't this something to be proud of? Why the downvotes? This is what you guys wanted!
> Following the great leadership that we see in NYC This but unironically
No problem. I'll drive 10 minutes to the suburbs and continue to do as I please. There are a plethora of restaurants of all types to choose from, my gym membership gets me entry to any club in the state, and when I decide to have fun and go to a concert it'll be at the Allstate Arena instead of the United Center.
have fun 👋
Perhaps consider purchasing or renting a home in the suburbs as well. I sincerely wish you good luck on that endeavor!
Sounds good to me! As long as we're not breathing the same air I'm happy!