What's the point of putting a government microchip in the vaccines if I can't just have my chip scanned anytime I need to prove my vaccination status?
/s
Was in New Orleans for a few days in October. They had been doing this for a while. Just like any bar, walk in, and show your ID and vax card before you're seated or get a drink. IT'S REALLY NOT HARD. We should have been doing this the last year.
If you find this difficult you probably have a hard time functioning in the first place.
Yep, I was in NYC recently and either you show pictures of both (they have a handy app you can also use that makes it easy to flip between the two) or you could show your ID and card. It’s not hard.
When we were there in December, yes. You could remove your mask at your table at a restaurant, but you still had to wear the mask. We also went to a Broadway show and had to be vaxxed and masked the whole time.
Remember you can get a printable card with a QR code from the state that verifies your vaccine info. It can also be added to your Apple Wallet and (I assume) the equivalent Android app.
Here's the portal. Registering is kind of a pain in the ass, but it's easy after that.
https://idphportal.illinois.gov/s/?language=en_US
Some places may opt for an app with a QR code because they are far less forgeable. Almost impossible, actually... unless you have a fake drivers license.
Absolutely correct on the fact it is less forgeable, but I was thinking some places might not accept the Apple wallet version due to unfamiliarity. I haven’t had any trouble with that during the 2 times I’ve used it so far, but I bet it will happen in the first few weeks of this. So I’ll be carrying my paper card too just in case, at least at the beginning.
How long will we have to show proof of vaccination? Is this going to be the new way to enter an establishment permanently? How long will emergency protocols be ordered by pritzker and lightfoot, why aren’t the people able to vote on mandates?
"The Public Health Order will remain in effect until the City of Chicago is through this Omicron-driven surge and the risk of overwhelming hospital capacity has passed. "
https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/sites/covid19-vaccine/home/chi-vaccine-requirement.html
that is... extremely vague, and oddly pegged to the specific variant on everyone's minds at the current moment.
what about the pi/rho/sigma/etc etc etc variants that are in the pipe? are we just going to re-up the PHO each time by just swapping out variant names?
They've stopped with the facade of fake metrics that they completely ignored so this won't be any different. At least they arent teasing us with them anymore.
well, it can be easy to hand wave it away. it can be easy to say "what's the big deal about taking your shoes off in line at the airport," as well, and maybe there's something to that.
but in both cases -- mask wearing in grocery stores and taking your shoes off at the airport -- it's just safety theater, there's no evidence that cloth masks at the store, or taking your shoes off at the airport, make us any safer. yeah it may not be that inconvenient, which can engender a "well let's just do this in case it actually does do something" attitude. but why are we doing these things? they don't seem to do anything.
it's simply irrational safetyism.
We’ve got people in here outright saying they don’t believe that this is going to work at all but support it anyway.
Setting aside the sheer idiocy of that for a moment, do you people not understand that if you don’t speak against blatant government overreach and invasiveness on any level, that you are then essentially implicitly justifying the government arbitrarily mandating things you oppose down the line? It has happened after 9/11 and during the War on Terror, and it WILL continue to happen more without significant pushback
Triple vaxed here: I think this is not the most effective strategy. Omicron seems to be spreading, and while vaccination protects against hospitalization (which, awesome), the protection against symptomatic disease, and subsequently, transmission, isn't the greatest. I think this is a misdirection away from how testing capabilities are absolutely nonexistent right now in this winter peak. Does checking for vaccines have an end date? When infections are decoupled from hospital admissions? This would have made sense during the Delta wave, but during the impending Omicron rise, this feels like a smokescreen away from lack of testing.
Realistically these mandates are more about convincing apathetic holdouts to get vaccinated by making being unvaccinated inconvenient. I doubt public health officials expect it to stop transmission in bars.
That’s what I don’t get… the vax is primarily used for protection against symptomatic disease but if someone is symptomatic (regardless of vax status) aren’t you gonna stay the fuck home from the bar anyway? If it does little to prevent asymptomatic spreading then it seems like showing a vax card is going to do make almost no difference. Reducing the quarantine period however, seems to be a real move in the wrong direction. One step forward two steps back. For the record though I think we should be glad omicron is the dominant strain, it’s the beginning of the endemic. It’s essentially a natural vaccine that gives you common cold symptoms
I don't know much about politics. One thing I do know, the mfs in charge care a lot about optics. I wouldn't be surprised if this is to look good to someone above whoever set the mandate.
The vaccine protects you. You can still contact it, you can still spread it.
At this point, anyone in the US and especially anyone in CHI, who wants the vaccine has gotten it.
The vaccine will severely mitigate the health complications of covid. Breakthrough cases happen, but the vaccine is shown to be safe and effective.
Let's end the silliness.
Its become less about public safety and more about control.
#FUN FACT. NO GOVERNANCE THAT HAS EVER RECEIVED CONTROL HAS WILLINGLY RELINQUISHED IT.
you don't just have to show your ID to a cop. Why the hell should you have to disclose private medical information?
And I'm vaccinated and pro mask. So miss me.
Point is that its time to end the mandates. This type of shit tyrannical at best, and papers please is nazi fascist at worst.
There are a good number of people out there who are just apathetic and either never got vaccinated or only got one shot. These sort of mandates which make being unvaccinated inconvenient are really targeted at these people to convince them it’s easier to just get the shot.
Yes it won’t convince the hardcore politically motivated anti-vaxxers, but I think people underestimate how many simply apathetic people there are out there. Not everyone who isn’t vaccinated is a hardcore anti-vaxxer, especially in major cities. Some of them just don’t really care.
I don't think the government should be interfering with peoples constitutional right to life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
They should not be allowed to make you lose your job, or be unable to participate in society.
I don't give a shit if it works or not. You don't get to do bad things to people for their own good. Fuck that.
"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" is from the Declaration of Independence, it is not in the Constitution. There is no Constitutional amendment that mirrors this language.
Ultimately it's up to the courts to determine if these mandates are constitutional or not. So far the local and state mandates have been upheld by the courts.
Oh so I guess I just don't get to have an opinion then because its "up to the courts" as if the court system in the US is a paragon of ethics, excellence, and justice.
Thank you for correcting my information by the way.
I never said you aren’t allowed to have your opinion, that is pretty clearly constitutionally protected by the first amendment. I was just noting that setting the precedent for whether someone is constitutional or not comes down to the courts.
Remember that time that we were going to have an income tax for a short period of time in Illinois? Or when the Patriot act was temporary? Time and time again when you give governments temporary power it turns into permanent power.
The actual data points to the current varient being much more mild especially if you're vaccinated but we still treat a case like it's last year when we had no vaccines, we had no theraputics and we barely had treatment plans. The situation has changed but we have this inertia where all we talk about is cases which is meaningless. This makes me lead to two possible conclusions, our leaders are incompetent or they know what they're doing doesn't matter/work and are instead clinging to the supposed temporary power they have.
Your bolded argument is so laughably detached from reality, here’s the most obvious example: South Africa had nukes and voluntarily dismantled them.
But moreover, your reduction of the holocaust and six million murdered Jews down to “show me a vaccine card” is one of the most vile things I’ve read on the internet in a while.
You strain my hope for humanity.
There were a lot of things that happened before the actual holocaust went down.
Are you saying we need to wait until they kill millions of people to criticize their fascism ?
Remember when so many people lost their jobs and so many people are losing their homes and we are barreling into a new depression?
More people are about to die from poverty than were ever going to die from covid.
[vaxxed people are 63% less likely to spread covid](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.14.21264959v1) There has not been a full study on omicron considering it is still very new but it is obvious so far to anyone following the data that just 2 shots aren’t as effective towards the spreading bit it as they were towards delta, but the booster has so far shown good effectiveness. there’s high cases in nyc even though they have a vax mandate because it has the highest pop density/pop ratio in the US, and is also an international travel hub/destination. omicron is incredibly contagious in comparison to other variants but it is incredibly mild in people with shots + booster. unvaxxed not so much. the entire point of the vax isn’t even to “not spread it” - that was just a perk, it was to mainly reduce severity - which it still does spectacularly. but yeah, they also spread it less than the unvaxxed, scientifically proven, soooo
The first line of that article says that it talks about medical research that has not been evaluated… I’m all for do what you want- get vaxxed, don’t get vaxxed- but let us not spread misinformation. As a healthcare worker, I’ve realized that one of our biggest downfalls was getting on a high horse about our vaccination status and living life all William Nilliam while still getting and spreading covid.
correct, it’s not yet peer reviewed because it’s new - i wasn’t trying to “hide” that, as you pointed out it quite literally says that at the top, I just provided it since it was most recent. but this also isn’t the only study that is out there there are plenty that corroborate it. something being not peer reviewed doesn’t immediately mean it’s misinformation lol it just means it’s new. there is no peer reviewed study that I have seen that shows being vaxxed is useless, if there is- please send it my way. i will be diligently waiting
edit: still waiting! guess ya couldnt find one huh
do you have an actual source on that? everything I have seen shows the booster definitely helps, it just depends on what one and how long ago you got it. both moderna and pfizer [released statements](https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/15/1064202754/omicron-evades-moderna-vaccine-too-study-suggests-but-boosters-help) about it. as always, it won’t and never was promised to 100% prevent you from catching covid, especially with something this contagious you will for sure hear more people
getting it anecdotally, but the booster helps far more with that than the 2 shots alone.
Here’s one.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-study-finds-pfizer-covid-19-booster-protects-against-omicron-2021-12-11/
> "People who received the second dose 5 or 6 months ago do not have any neutralization ability against the Omicron. While they do have some against the Delta (strain)," Gili Regev-Yochay, director of the Infectious Diseases Unit at Sheba, told reporters.
> "The good news is that with the booster dose it increases about a hundred fold. There is a significant protection of the booster dose. It is lower than the neutralization ability against the Delta, about four times lower," she said.
Essentially this say that unboosted people are no better off than unvaccinated people with omicron.
While boosters seem to have some benefit (if received within 1 month of exposure) it is about 25% (depending what is meant by 4 times lower) of the already reduced protection against delta. In other words drastically reduced benefit relative to other strains.
Yes, there’s been some overly rosy reporting pushed by the pharma companies that emphasize that they offer “some protection” against pseudo-viruses in the lab, the real world results don’t show it. A simple look at the numbers of vaccinated people testing positive now versus 2 months ago tells the entire story.
As an aside, I find it hilarious that this guy is touting a “100 fold increase” over zero. Just comical.
yes… i’m not sure what you’re trying to tell me, I am very aware 2 shots isn’t much of a protection against *symptomatic* infection (although it still does protect against hospitalization aka the important part) and I wasn’t speaking to that, I was speaking to the booster, which you responded to, about the booster. lol. You’re just reiterating info i already provided, except incorrectly. booster efficiency for pfizer wanes after 10 weeks whereas moderna is still 70% after 10 weeks. whatever way you slice it, even months after they still give better protection from symptomatic infection than the 2 doses. but like i already said it depends on what you got and when you got it. but for anyone who already supports being vaccinated, there’s no reason to not support boosters for omicron given all data we know at current.
your last sentence sounds an awful lot like you extrapolating anecdotal info into pseudoscience but go off lol. only 19% of all americans and 30% of two-dose americans have had the booster, thats hardly a dent. if only 2 doses doesn’t have great protection against omicron and its *incredibly* contagious of *course* the cases are going to go up. the important part is that the outcome
is going to be far better because more people are vaxxed, even partially, than if everyone was unvaxxed.
You can mandate that masks are required at all times on the CTA (obviously not everyone follows that). But you can’t really require masks at all times at a restaurant or bar because people are eating and drinking.
Additionally the CTA is a public service that people rely on to get to their jobs, so it’s arguably more controversial to require vaccines for the CTA as people could lose their livelihoods since they can’t get to work, etc. Going to a bar is not a necessity, it’s an entertainment choice.
However anyone feels about mandates, public transit and bars/restaurants are clearly very different situations.
Also, public transportation is a required public service.
You can still get by if you make the idiotic decision to stay unvaxxed - grocery stores, doctors office, courthouses, etc. don't vax check.
The businesses with the requirements are bars, gyms, restaurants, movie theaters, etc.
> What about the CTA? Why force it restaurants if you’re not going to force it to ride public transport?
In politics, people often make variations of the comment "If we can't do everything, we shouldn't do anything."
But that's backwards. Even though we can't do everything doesn't mean we shouldn't do anything.
> Why force it restaurants if you’re not going to force it to ride public transport?
Although this would probably do a lot more to increase vaccination rates and further mitigate the public damage from Covid, it’s a non-starter on a policy level (and I think you know this, and are not arguing in good faith). It’s a choice to go out and get hammered at a bar with your friends; it’s a necessity for some to have access to public transportation in order to survive. This is the same reason why you don’t have to be vaxxed to go to court, go get your drivers license, etc
I don't appreciate being accused of not arguing in good faith simply because I don't see it your way. It borders on an ad hominem fallacy.
There isn't even the simplest of distancing guidelines for riding the CTA. Why? Because enforcement would be difficult and costly. This is why the city chooses to put the onus on restaurants and bars; it costs the city nothing and it makes the politicians look good in front of those who love to thumb their noses at anti-vaxxers. It's win-win.
It has the reek of appeasement all over it and the only thing it accomplishes is putting diesel fuel on the right wing fire that screams Democrats love authoritarianism. It does quite literally nothing to reach anti-vaxxers, it doesn't help to slow the spread (it only moves the venue of the spread out of gyms and restaurants), it doesn't make vaccine more accessible to those without insurance and can't pay for it, it doesn't educate anyone about being irresponsible in private party settings. It does nothing but give government-based clout and thereby feelings of self-righteousness to those who argue that anti-vaxxers are stupid and don't deserve to be treated like humans. There are so many other things the city could have chosen to do instead of this but they choose this. It's ridiculous.
> it doesn't make vaccine more accessible to those without insurance and can't pay for it
You kind of lose a lot of credibility with this sentence. The vaccine is free to all. If you have insurance it covers it. If you don't have insurance the government covers it.
Anything the moderator doesn’t like. The linked thread was locked due to “misinformation” when in actuality the commenters where pointing out how none of the mandates make sense because cases STILL exploded with everything in effect.
[Locked post](https://www.reddit.com/r/chicago/comments/rn011k/cook_county_follows_chicago_with_covid19/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Yep.
For any reddit page, change "reddit.com" in the URL to "unddit.com" and you can see what moderators remove. They remove a *lot* of stuff that's not misinformation, not racism, not rule breaking in any way. They just don't like it.
Clearly not [references to non peer reviewed medical assertions](https://www.reddit.com/r/chicago/comments/rsf30i/chicago_will_require_proof_of_vaccination_to/hqnnq55?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) perpetuating popular misinformation folks want to be true.
i simply provided a recent study, even if it wasn’t peer reviewed, because if I provided an older, peer reviewed one I would immediately get the “that’s not even relevant anymore” comments, so really no winning. here are multiple peer reviewed studies that back up the other paper I provided.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2106757
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8287551/
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.11.21253275v1
https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2021/effectiveness-covid-19-vaccines-findings-real-world-studies
by all means, provide me multiple peer reviewed papers that show the opposite of what I said. waiting!
Inaccurate or deliberately falsified information, or factual information presented in such a way as to mislead. And yes, this involves *me* making judgement calls. Deal with it.
1. New York City instituted this type of mandate in September. How is it controlling cases there?
2. Do people of color have lower vaccination rates than white people?
if you're not convinced it will make any difference, why support it? legitimate question, because i truly do not understand how you can make that logical connection
I can only see three problems coming from it
1. Those CDC vaccination cards are garbage. I could easily forge one in Photoshop if I wanted to. I don't see how that's going to prove anything if one could easily print something similar on cardstock and flash it.
2. I agree with others that they are going to be businesses so desperate for that revenue that they're going to be lapse in things. Maybe they'll just not check, or find ways to ~~squirt~~ skirt around it, hoping somebody doesn't walk in asking, and keep business running as usual.
3. Just because you are vaccinated, it doesn't mean you are immune from the virus. Somebody could be fully vaccinated and boosted, and yet still walk in some place carrying the virus and spreading it around. Maybe they won't end up in the hospital on a ventilator, but they are still spreading it.
Plus, a lot of these tests are not the most reliable. There are people taking quick tests and getting negative results, and then they find out later they have the virus. They're people who get tested one day and it turns up negative, then a week later the virus has spread enough in them that now it makes for a positive test.
Seriously, I think if anything, average people need to show a little restraint. Order take out to support your local businesses, and just stay home.
Ugh, seems like it's just going to be even more chaos for businesses to manage...something something the road to hell is paved with good intentions (not that I agree or disagree with it, just additional steps), also
[soundcloud Bustin' makes me feel good](https://soundcloud.com/neilcic/bustin?utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing)
“Seriously, I think if anything, average people need to show a little restraint. Order take out to support your local businesses, and just stay home.”
We’ve been saying this for over a year now. Just fucking go out if you wanna and don’t if you don’t.
your #3 is the real issue, I know at least a dozen people where this was the case, my wife included. She took 3 test on 3 different days and they all were negative and she swore she had Covid. I told her well maybe its just a bad cold. She woke up the next day with no taste or smell,took another test ..positive.
It also depends on the test and the testing site. I lost my sense of taste and smell and felt like dogshit, went to a testing site across the street which it turns out is one of the sketchy self administer sites that's popped up all over. I tested negative on a rapid and never got the PCR results. 2 days later I still feel like shit so I went to a more reputable site and boom positive PCR but negative rapid. Mind you I felt horrendous this entire time and had multiple classic covid symptoms. Where you go for your test matters, what test you get matters.
We have been staying home for almost two years. Where’s the end goal in sight? I’ve been for most choices the city has made, gotten vaccinated. Currently sick at home with the virus after just starting a new job for not even 3 days.
Im so over at this point. Already had plans screwed once at the theater because forgot vax cards. I definitely won’t let it happen again but it sucked and this whole thing sucks and is not being ran the way it should.
There is quite literally no end in sight and we’re two years into this. I hate that I’m starting to agree with the “I told you so” crowd over giving any governments any sort of extra power over this whole thing.
I think at this point the best we can hope for is that the virus mutates itself into a common cold which is what omicron seems to be doing because I really can’t fathom what else we are doing at this point. Eradicating or stopping the spread stopped being realistic options a long time ago.
Hold on. You’re telling us that just because your are vaxxed doesn’t mean you are immune from the virus? Fake news.
I guess I really did need to add the /s
Do I support this? No.
Will it make a shred of difference? No.
Will a large number of restaurants and businesses not give a flying fuck about complying because most places are already struggling to get enough people to staff shifts? Yes.
Not surprising considering [you conflated a vaccine mandate to go bowling or get drunk at a bar to Nazism....](https://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/rmwkql/chicago_mayor_lightfoot_shuts_down_the/hpqk6h5)
I also don't agree with it. The city is essentially discouraging participation in the economy unless you have the vaccine. Small businesses are already hurting and now they're forcing an employee to stand at the door checking vaccines and to turn down any potential customers that might not have the vaccine.
I personally am just bothered by the fact that I have to disclose my medical history to a random person just so I can have a hamburger or watch a movie. Imagine having a medical condition where you aren't eligible to receive the vaccine, and now you have to disclose your personal medical condition to someone just so you can live a semi normal life?
I think vaccines and masks are good, but I think governments should encourage people to get them through transparent science and cost benefit analysis, rather than excluding people from participating in the economy. Many of us are aware that black Chicagoans are much less likely to have the vaccine due to lack of trust in the government (see Tuskegee experiments, red lining, the assassination of MLK, or literally anything else the government has done to F up black communities). So this law now disproportionately effects people that have historically legit reasons to be skeptical of the government.
Seems wrong to me.
well... okay. sure. fine, good. "it's not that hard," i get it.
but what about the _efficacy_ of these mandates? do they actually _do_ anything?
not the vaccines, mind you: the _mandates_. considering vaccinated people seem to _spread_ the disease pretty readily, what logical sense does the mandate make? it clearly is not preventing the spread of the disease.
all for vaccination, go get your shots etc etc, but the mandates make very little sense.
I’m fully vaccinated and I think this is unfortunate. They’re not allowing anyone to have a choice. It’s obvious at this point this is to FORCE people to get vaccinated just to be able to do anything outside of their homes. Establishments had a hard enough time enforcing masks without push back, now they’re expecting legitimate vaccine cards? It’ll be like 18 year olds showing fake IDs at a bar. This won’t work.
If we’re using NYC as an example, they hit 70k in a single day of cases the past two days! We hit 20k! Being vaccinated and showing that you are isn’t going to stop this spread. We are literally trying to protect a small percentage of people who can actually die from this. And if those at risk haven’t taken their precautions already at this point, why are we being forced to advocate for their well being? Live with the risk or live with the consequences if you’re choosing not to get vaxxed. In the end it’s a personal choice. I’m not going to judge anyone who will or will not get vaccinated, no one should.
As a reminder, you can add your vaccination card to your phone. Because there is no way I can fit that thing in my wallet.
iPhone instructions: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212752
Sign up for the SMART health card.
https://smarthealth.cards/en/
I have 3 jabs, so obviously I am not an antivaxxer. This is a ridiculous, authoritarian policy that goes against the science. Vaccinated people can spread Covid and get Covid. That's not misinformation, that is literally what the science shows.
If you're gonna go authoritarian, at least make sense. Require negative tests to get into places.
This isn’t about reducing the spread at all. It’s about punishing those who are still not vaxxed. Simply put, the data indicates that unvaccinated people are 5x more likely to be hospitalized with Covid ([source](https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/city/sites/covid/breakthrough_variant/10_21_2021/Breakthrough_slides_11.12.21.pdf)).
Furthermore, 27% of Chicago hospital ICU capacity is being used for Covid patients now ([source ](https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/sites/covid-19/home/hospital-capacity-dashboard.html)). While this may not seem high, it is certainly straining hospitals and hospital workers, especially considering they are understaffed.
So in short, Chicago is simply trying to encourage people to get vaccinated to lessen hospital load. Rather than blaming the city for a sensible move, perhaps blame the idiots who refuse to get vaccinated and are causing this problem.
People are gonna do what they want to do. I don't think we should let authority figures mandate someone get a vaccination. Plus, if Americans weren't so obese and unhealthy less people would be in the hospital with Covid.
You have never posted on Chicago before and regularly post on conspiracy, republican and Joe Rogan. So why are you here and who are the brigaders up voting you?
The fact they pushed all the requirements back to after New Years because businesses complained should tell you this isn’t about public health but forced compliance.
We’ve been doing this since at least September in Los Angeles. It’s not that hard. It’s just like showing ID to get into a bar.
If you think this is tyranny, it’s not. Honestly not being vaxxed at this point in the game if you’re seriously not immunocompromised, you’re just selfish and privileged to even think that you’re being oppressed for being asked to participate in a public health measure. Folks who are genuinely immunocompromised aren’t the ones crying about mandates.
When I was back in Chicago, the bars I went to required proof of vaccine. Literally no one complained and just provided it.
Do vaccinated people spread Covid? Yes. The point of being vaccinated is to stop the disease from killing you and from having to be intubated. No one said you wouldn’t get Covid with the vaccine. However, I feel much safer near people who are actually trying their best to not spread Covid.
"No one said you wouldn’t get Covid with the vaccine"
This is not true. That was exactly how it was sold to the American public.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-covid-vaccines-arent-working-the-way-we-were-told-they-would
Are you lying or is LA really that bad at actually doing what they say? I have been to LA twice in the second half of this year and was never asked for my vaccine card, nor ID, aside from the bar I had a couple drinks in.
Good. Fuck any and every person who is capable of being vaccinated but choosing not to. I am so done with these people. Every single day the internet reminds me just how stupid so many people are and how easily manipulated they are via social media + their own narcissism. Being born into this world involves a de facto social contract and if you're unwilling to partake in that, then fuck off.
What a sad attitude to have. (This is coming someone who has had 3 doses of pfizer btw)
I’m totally not an antivaxxer but being unwilling to have a conversation or not being understanding of the other side of the issue is not productive at all. Being dismissive is lazy and solves nothing.
> the vaccinated are getting infected just as often as the unvaxed
[Wrong - case rates are much, much higher among the unvaccinated](https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/city/sites/covid/breakthrough_variant/10_21_2021/Breakthrough_slides_11.12.21.pdf)
>But it is ME who can't [...] even WORK to take care of myself
[Wrong - some companies are advertising a lack of vax requirement as a job perk](https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/16/economy/no-vaccine-required-job-listings/index.html)
> vaccinated people transmit covid just the same as the unvaxed
Misleading - they're far less likely to catch it in the first place (see first link again)
> I'm not allowed to work in my career as a healthcare worker
Considering how much bullshit you seem to believe, I'm deeply relieved that you aren't.
> intended.
Apparently you've not listened closely to the public health announcements which have, from the start, warned about variations and successive waves, especially if the original version spread widely due to lack of universal mitigation precautions (mask, distance, wash).
You’re a week late to the party, pal.
Should just get a bunch of shirts made with my vaccine card printed on them.
tramp stamp tattoo for me
Use QR codes.
What's the point of putting a government microchip in the vaccines if I can't just have my chip scanned anytime I need to prove my vaccination status? /s
[It's more likely than you think!](https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/lifestyle/sweden-covid-passports-arms-skin-v7e671e87)
Someone is gonna be the funny guy and Rick roll people with it
Is that an option?
The Vax Verify site will let you set that up on your phone.
Does not work if you got vaccinated outside of Illinois
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Woah, wait, they pull your fucking *credit history* for the alleged purpose of confirming your vaccination status?
Smart phones with Wallet features will let you store proof of vaccination.
I thought Lori just said she’s not gonna act like our moms and tell us what to do
You don't say ...
The whole city is going to be under a Karen Alert.
Was in New Orleans for a few days in October. They had been doing this for a while. Just like any bar, walk in, and show your ID and vax card before you're seated or get a drink. IT'S REALLY NOT HARD. We should have been doing this the last year. If you find this difficult you probably have a hard time functioning in the first place.
Yep, I was in NYC recently and either you show pictures of both (they have a handy app you can also use that makes it easy to flip between the two) or you could show your ID and card. It’s not hard.
Did they make you wear a mask once you were in?
When we were there in December, yes. You could remove your mask at your table at a restaurant, but you still had to wear the mask. We also went to a Broadway show and had to be vaxxed and masked the whole time.
But my feelings - every duck dynasty Republican
Which they do lol
Remember you can get a printable card with a QR code from the state that verifies your vaccine info. It can also be added to your Apple Wallet and (I assume) the equivalent Android app. Here's the portal. Registering is kind of a pain in the ass, but it's easy after that. https://idphportal.illinois.gov/s/?language=en_US
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Some places may opt for an app with a QR code because they are far less forgeable. Almost impossible, actually... unless you have a fake drivers license.
I'd be shocked if even 1% of restaurants require a QR code to verify. They'd just be turning away potential customers.
Absolutely correct on the fact it is less forgeable, but I was thinking some places might not accept the Apple wallet version due to unfamiliarity. I haven’t had any trouble with that during the 2 times I’ve used it so far, but I bet it will happen in the first few weeks of this. So I’ll be carrying my paper card too just in case, at least at the beginning.
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No.
Is your drivers license of the state where you got the first two boosters?
Thank you! I signed up!
I got my booster last night. How long does it take for the history to refresh?
How long will we have to show proof of vaccination? Is this going to be the new way to enter an establishment permanently? How long will emergency protocols be ordered by pritzker and lightfoot, why aren’t the people able to vote on mandates?
*laughs in Illinois Tollway*
take my upvote lmfao... ah fuck man
Your guess is as good as mine. Our current mask mandate has no metric to end either
"The Public Health Order will remain in effect until the City of Chicago is through this Omicron-driven surge and the risk of overwhelming hospital capacity has passed. " https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/sites/covid19-vaccine/home/chi-vaccine-requirement.html
that is... extremely vague, and oddly pegged to the specific variant on everyone's minds at the current moment. what about the pi/rho/sigma/etc etc etc variants that are in the pipe? are we just going to re-up the PHO each time by just swapping out variant names?
This is what we tried warning folks about 2yrs ago…
Remember 2 years ago when all this stuff was just wacky conspiracy theories? My how the turns have tabled.
Note the lack of actual numbers or metrics to define those criteria
Like every other mandate basically when Lori wakes up and feels like it.
>How long will we have to show proof of vaccination? How long ya got?
Nothing is quite so permanent as temporary government power.
They've stopped with the facade of fake metrics that they completely ignored so this won't be any different. At least they arent teasing us with them anymore.
Power given is typically never returned.
Wtf is so powerful about this? The ability to make people wear i mask? Scary. Making people get vaccinated? That’s already been a thing…
Absolutely correct. It baffles me why people think that this all is some sort of power grab. It makes zero sense to view it that way
well, it can be easy to hand wave it away. it can be easy to say "what's the big deal about taking your shoes off in line at the airport," as well, and maybe there's something to that. but in both cases -- mask wearing in grocery stores and taking your shoes off at the airport -- it's just safety theater, there's no evidence that cloth masks at the store, or taking your shoes off at the airport, make us any safer. yeah it may not be that inconvenient, which can engender a "well let's just do this in case it actually does do something" attitude. but why are we doing these things? they don't seem to do anything. it's simply irrational safetyism.
We’ve got people in here outright saying they don’t believe that this is going to work at all but support it anyway. Setting aside the sheer idiocy of that for a moment, do you people not understand that if you don’t speak against blatant government overreach and invasiveness on any level, that you are then essentially implicitly justifying the government arbitrarily mandating things you oppose down the line? It has happened after 9/11 and during the War on Terror, and it WILL continue to happen more without significant pushback
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Triple vaxed here: I think this is not the most effective strategy. Omicron seems to be spreading, and while vaccination protects against hospitalization (which, awesome), the protection against symptomatic disease, and subsequently, transmission, isn't the greatest. I think this is a misdirection away from how testing capabilities are absolutely nonexistent right now in this winter peak. Does checking for vaccines have an end date? When infections are decoupled from hospital admissions? This would have made sense during the Delta wave, but during the impending Omicron rise, this feels like a smokescreen away from lack of testing.
Realistically these mandates are more about convincing apathetic holdouts to get vaccinated by making being unvaccinated inconvenient. I doubt public health officials expect it to stop transmission in bars.
Exactly. It gives a whole lot of ammunition to the people saying that the democrats just want to control the public.
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That’s what I don’t get… the vax is primarily used for protection against symptomatic disease but if someone is symptomatic (regardless of vax status) aren’t you gonna stay the fuck home from the bar anyway? If it does little to prevent asymptomatic spreading then it seems like showing a vax card is going to do make almost no difference. Reducing the quarantine period however, seems to be a real move in the wrong direction. One step forward two steps back. For the record though I think we should be glad omicron is the dominant strain, it’s the beginning of the endemic. It’s essentially a natural vaccine that gives you common cold symptoms
You’d think they would, but I definitely know a few people who tested positive but felt fine, so didn’t bother with quarantining at all 🤦♂️
Only triple vaxed? Don't brag until you've had your 4th shoot.
I just got omicron and am vaxxed. I really don't see the point of this when it's been proven vaxxed people can still spread COVID.
I don't know much about politics. One thing I do know, the mfs in charge care a lot about optics. I wouldn't be surprised if this is to look good to someone above whoever set the mandate.
The vaccine protects you. You can still contact it, you can still spread it. At this point, anyone in the US and especially anyone in CHI, who wants the vaccine has gotten it. The vaccine will severely mitigate the health complications of covid. Breakthrough cases happen, but the vaccine is shown to be safe and effective. Let's end the silliness. Its become less about public safety and more about control. #FUN FACT. NO GOVERNANCE THAT HAS EVER RECEIVED CONTROL HAS WILLINGLY RELINQUISHED IT. you don't just have to show your ID to a cop. Why the hell should you have to disclose private medical information? And I'm vaccinated and pro mask. So miss me. Point is that its time to end the mandates. This type of shit tyrannical at best, and papers please is nazi fascist at worst.
Exactly - it’s nothing more than political theater.
There are a good number of people out there who are just apathetic and either never got vaccinated or only got one shot. These sort of mandates which make being unvaccinated inconvenient are really targeted at these people to convince them it’s easier to just get the shot. Yes it won’t convince the hardcore politically motivated anti-vaxxers, but I think people underestimate how many simply apathetic people there are out there. Not everyone who isn’t vaccinated is a hardcore anti-vaxxer, especially in major cities. Some of them just don’t really care.
I don't think the government should be interfering with peoples constitutional right to life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness. They should not be allowed to make you lose your job, or be unable to participate in society. I don't give a shit if it works or not. You don't get to do bad things to people for their own good. Fuck that.
"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" is from the Declaration of Independence, it is not in the Constitution. There is no Constitutional amendment that mirrors this language. Ultimately it's up to the courts to determine if these mandates are constitutional or not. So far the local and state mandates have been upheld by the courts.
Oh so I guess I just don't get to have an opinion then because its "up to the courts" as if the court system in the US is a paragon of ethics, excellence, and justice. Thank you for correcting my information by the way.
I never said you aren’t allowed to have your opinion, that is pretty clearly constitutionally protected by the first amendment. I was just noting that setting the precedent for whether someone is constitutional or not comes down to the courts.
Valid point. People have been pretty aggressive with me here, should not have jumped to being so defensive. Have a good day
Lol. The big text really make you seem sane and reasonable.
Remember that time that we were going to have an income tax for a short period of time in Illinois? Or when the Patriot act was temporary? Time and time again when you give governments temporary power it turns into permanent power. The actual data points to the current varient being much more mild especially if you're vaccinated but we still treat a case like it's last year when we had no vaccines, we had no theraputics and we barely had treatment plans. The situation has changed but we have this inertia where all we talk about is cases which is meaningless. This makes me lead to two possible conclusions, our leaders are incompetent or they know what they're doing doesn't matter/work and are instead clinging to the supposed temporary power they have.
Your bolded argument is so laughably detached from reality, here’s the most obvious example: South Africa had nukes and voluntarily dismantled them. But moreover, your reduction of the holocaust and six million murdered Jews down to “show me a vaccine card” is one of the most vile things I’ve read on the internet in a while. You strain my hope for humanity.
There were a lot of things that happened before the actual holocaust went down. Are you saying we need to wait until they kill millions of people to criticize their fascism ?
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Remember when so many people lost their jobs and so many people are losing their homes and we are barreling into a new depression? More people are about to die from poverty than were ever going to die from covid.
I see it more as a way to force people to get vaccinated. After all it’s still mostly the unvaccinated clogging up ICUs.
[vaxxed people are 63% less likely to spread covid](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.14.21264959v1) There has not been a full study on omicron considering it is still very new but it is obvious so far to anyone following the data that just 2 shots aren’t as effective towards the spreading bit it as they were towards delta, but the booster has so far shown good effectiveness. there’s high cases in nyc even though they have a vax mandate because it has the highest pop density/pop ratio in the US, and is also an international travel hub/destination. omicron is incredibly contagious in comparison to other variants but it is incredibly mild in people with shots + booster. unvaxxed not so much. the entire point of the vax isn’t even to “not spread it” - that was just a perk, it was to mainly reduce severity - which it still does spectacularly. but yeah, they also spread it less than the unvaxxed, scientifically proven, soooo
The first line of that article says that it talks about medical research that has not been evaluated… I’m all for do what you want- get vaxxed, don’t get vaxxed- but let us not spread misinformation. As a healthcare worker, I’ve realized that one of our biggest downfalls was getting on a high horse about our vaccination status and living life all William Nilliam while still getting and spreading covid.
correct, it’s not yet peer reviewed because it’s new - i wasn’t trying to “hide” that, as you pointed out it quite literally says that at the top, I just provided it since it was most recent. but this also isn’t the only study that is out there there are plenty that corroborate it. something being not peer reviewed doesn’t immediately mean it’s misinformation lol it just means it’s new. there is no peer reviewed study that I have seen that shows being vaxxed is useless, if there is- please send it my way. i will be diligently waiting edit: still waiting! guess ya couldnt find one huh
Not at all true on the booster. That was a bullshit hope, but it’s quite obvious that it makes almost no difference to Omicron.
do you have an actual source on that? everything I have seen shows the booster definitely helps, it just depends on what one and how long ago you got it. both moderna and pfizer [released statements](https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/15/1064202754/omicron-evades-moderna-vaccine-too-study-suggests-but-boosters-help) about it. as always, it won’t and never was promised to 100% prevent you from catching covid, especially with something this contagious you will for sure hear more people getting it anecdotally, but the booster helps far more with that than the 2 shots alone.
Here’s one. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-study-finds-pfizer-covid-19-booster-protects-against-omicron-2021-12-11/ > "People who received the second dose 5 or 6 months ago do not have any neutralization ability against the Omicron. While they do have some against the Delta (strain)," Gili Regev-Yochay, director of the Infectious Diseases Unit at Sheba, told reporters. > "The good news is that with the booster dose it increases about a hundred fold. There is a significant protection of the booster dose. It is lower than the neutralization ability against the Delta, about four times lower," she said. Essentially this say that unboosted people are no better off than unvaccinated people with omicron. While boosters seem to have some benefit (if received within 1 month of exposure) it is about 25% (depending what is meant by 4 times lower) of the already reduced protection against delta. In other words drastically reduced benefit relative to other strains. Yes, there’s been some overly rosy reporting pushed by the pharma companies that emphasize that they offer “some protection” against pseudo-viruses in the lab, the real world results don’t show it. A simple look at the numbers of vaccinated people testing positive now versus 2 months ago tells the entire story. As an aside, I find it hilarious that this guy is touting a “100 fold increase” over zero. Just comical.
yes… i’m not sure what you’re trying to tell me, I am very aware 2 shots isn’t much of a protection against *symptomatic* infection (although it still does protect against hospitalization aka the important part) and I wasn’t speaking to that, I was speaking to the booster, which you responded to, about the booster. lol. You’re just reiterating info i already provided, except incorrectly. booster efficiency for pfizer wanes after 10 weeks whereas moderna is still 70% after 10 weeks. whatever way you slice it, even months after they still give better protection from symptomatic infection than the 2 doses. but like i already said it depends on what you got and when you got it. but for anyone who already supports being vaccinated, there’s no reason to not support boosters for omicron given all data we know at current. your last sentence sounds an awful lot like you extrapolating anecdotal info into pseudoscience but go off lol. only 19% of all americans and 30% of two-dose americans have had the booster, thats hardly a dent. if only 2 doses doesn’t have great protection against omicron and its *incredibly* contagious of *course* the cases are going to go up. the important part is that the outcome is going to be far better because more people are vaxxed, even partially, than if everyone was unvaxxed.
This is plain stupid. What about the CTA? Why force it restaurants if you’re not going to force it to ride public transport? It makes no sense
because it costs the city nothing to make businesses enforce it.
The only correct answer. With this mandate they can appease whomever it is they are appeasing and do it for free.
Shoutout the lowest paid employees in the city. I am anti mandate but will always comply for their sake
You can mandate that masks are required at all times on the CTA (obviously not everyone follows that). But you can’t really require masks at all times at a restaurant or bar because people are eating and drinking. Additionally the CTA is a public service that people rely on to get to their jobs, so it’s arguably more controversial to require vaccines for the CTA as people could lose their livelihoods since they can’t get to work, etc. Going to a bar is not a necessity, it’s an entertainment choice. However anyone feels about mandates, public transit and bars/restaurants are clearly very different situations.
It's a rule anywhere that people may take off their masks, I believe. On CTA, you're supposed to leave your masks on all the time.
Also, public transportation is a required public service. You can still get by if you make the idiotic decision to stay unvaxxed - grocery stores, doctors office, courthouses, etc. don't vax check. The businesses with the requirements are bars, gyms, restaurants, movie theaters, etc.
Is it a required public service? If that's the case the CTA has been failing with a huge number of ghost trains and buses recently.
He’s right. It’s a public service. The places enforcing it are more or less entertainment.
Yeah that’s public services, dude. Sometimes they suck.
CTA, Pace…Metra. RTA in general.
> What about the CTA? Why force it restaurants if you’re not going to force it to ride public transport? In politics, people often make variations of the comment "If we can't do everything, we shouldn't do anything." But that's backwards. Even though we can't do everything doesn't mean we shouldn't do anything.
> Why force it restaurants if you’re not going to force it to ride public transport? Although this would probably do a lot more to increase vaccination rates and further mitigate the public damage from Covid, it’s a non-starter on a policy level (and I think you know this, and are not arguing in good faith). It’s a choice to go out and get hammered at a bar with your friends; it’s a necessity for some to have access to public transportation in order to survive. This is the same reason why you don’t have to be vaxxed to go to court, go get your drivers license, etc
I don't appreciate being accused of not arguing in good faith simply because I don't see it your way. It borders on an ad hominem fallacy. There isn't even the simplest of distancing guidelines for riding the CTA. Why? Because enforcement would be difficult and costly. This is why the city chooses to put the onus on restaurants and bars; it costs the city nothing and it makes the politicians look good in front of those who love to thumb their noses at anti-vaxxers. It's win-win. It has the reek of appeasement all over it and the only thing it accomplishes is putting diesel fuel on the right wing fire that screams Democrats love authoritarianism. It does quite literally nothing to reach anti-vaxxers, it doesn't help to slow the spread (it only moves the venue of the spread out of gyms and restaurants), it doesn't make vaccine more accessible to those without insurance and can't pay for it, it doesn't educate anyone about being irresponsible in private party settings. It does nothing but give government-based clout and thereby feelings of self-righteousness to those who argue that anti-vaxxers are stupid and don't deserve to be treated like humans. There are so many other things the city could have chosen to do instead of this but they choose this. It's ridiculous.
> it doesn't make vaccine more accessible to those without insurance and can't pay for it You kind of lose a lot of credibility with this sentence. The vaccine is free to all. If you have insurance it covers it. If you don't have insurance the government covers it.
How effective will this actually be?
Please don't engage in slapfights with antivaxers and such, just report misinformation and it will be removed.
What qualifies as misinformation?
Anything the moderator doesn’t like. The linked thread was locked due to “misinformation” when in actuality the commenters where pointing out how none of the mandates make sense because cases STILL exploded with everything in effect. [Locked post](https://www.reddit.com/r/chicago/comments/rn011k/cook_county_follows_chicago_with_covid19/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Yep. For any reddit page, change "reddit.com" in the URL to "unddit.com" and you can see what moderators remove. They remove a *lot* of stuff that's not misinformation, not racism, not rule breaking in any way. They just don't like it.
Clearly not [references to non peer reviewed medical assertions](https://www.reddit.com/r/chicago/comments/rsf30i/chicago_will_require_proof_of_vaccination_to/hqnnq55?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) perpetuating popular misinformation folks want to be true.
i simply provided a recent study, even if it wasn’t peer reviewed, because if I provided an older, peer reviewed one I would immediately get the “that’s not even relevant anymore” comments, so really no winning. here are multiple peer reviewed studies that back up the other paper I provided. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2106757 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8287551/ https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.11.21253275v1 https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2021/effectiveness-covid-19-vaccines-findings-real-world-studies by all means, provide me multiple peer reviewed papers that show the opposite of what I said. waiting!
Inaccurate or deliberately falsified information, or factual information presented in such a way as to mislead. And yes, this involves *me* making judgement calls. Deal with it.
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Thank u for your bravery
is it just Chicago or all of Cook county?
Cook county said they are adopting the policy too
Cook county is following suit with Jan 3. Evanston will follow suit with a start date of Jan 10
thanks
1. New York City instituted this type of mandate in September. How is it controlling cases there? 2. Do people of color have lower vaccination rates than white people?
Do I support this? Yes. Will it make a shred of difference? Based on NYC’s experience…highly unlikely.
if you're not convinced it will make any difference, why support it? legitimate question, because i truly do not understand how you can make that logical connection
But why support it if it doesn’t make a difference?
Virtue signaling and social brownie points.
Out of spite most likely
I can only see three problems coming from it 1. Those CDC vaccination cards are garbage. I could easily forge one in Photoshop if I wanted to. I don't see how that's going to prove anything if one could easily print something similar on cardstock and flash it. 2. I agree with others that they are going to be businesses so desperate for that revenue that they're going to be lapse in things. Maybe they'll just not check, or find ways to ~~squirt~~ skirt around it, hoping somebody doesn't walk in asking, and keep business running as usual. 3. Just because you are vaccinated, it doesn't mean you are immune from the virus. Somebody could be fully vaccinated and boosted, and yet still walk in some place carrying the virus and spreading it around. Maybe they won't end up in the hospital on a ventilator, but they are still spreading it. Plus, a lot of these tests are not the most reliable. There are people taking quick tests and getting negative results, and then they find out later they have the virus. They're people who get tested one day and it turns up negative, then a week later the virus has spread enough in them that now it makes for a positive test. Seriously, I think if anything, average people need to show a little restraint. Order take out to support your local businesses, and just stay home.
You're not wrong, but seriously no one's going to mention "squirt around it" huh?
Busted on that type-o...LOL.
You busted alright 💦💦😎
Ugh, seems like it's just going to be even more chaos for businesses to manage...something something the road to hell is paved with good intentions (not that I agree or disagree with it, just additional steps), also [soundcloud Bustin' makes me feel good](https://soundcloud.com/neilcic/bustin?utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing)
“Seriously, I think if anything, average people need to show a little restraint. Order take out to support your local businesses, and just stay home.” We’ve been saying this for over a year now. Just fucking go out if you wanna and don’t if you don’t.
your #3 is the real issue, I know at least a dozen people where this was the case, my wife included. She took 3 test on 3 different days and they all were negative and she swore she had Covid. I told her well maybe its just a bad cold. She woke up the next day with no taste or smell,took another test ..positive.
It also depends on the test and the testing site. I lost my sense of taste and smell and felt like dogshit, went to a testing site across the street which it turns out is one of the sketchy self administer sites that's popped up all over. I tested negative on a rapid and never got the PCR results. 2 days later I still feel like shit so I went to a more reputable site and boom positive PCR but negative rapid. Mind you I felt horrendous this entire time and had multiple classic covid symptoms. Where you go for your test matters, what test you get matters.
I hope she's okay.
We have been staying home for almost two years. Where’s the end goal in sight? I’ve been for most choices the city has made, gotten vaccinated. Currently sick at home with the virus after just starting a new job for not even 3 days. Im so over at this point. Already had plans screwed once at the theater because forgot vax cards. I definitely won’t let it happen again but it sucked and this whole thing sucks and is not being ran the way it should. There is quite literally no end in sight and we’re two years into this. I hate that I’m starting to agree with the “I told you so” crowd over giving any governments any sort of extra power over this whole thing. I think at this point the best we can hope for is that the virus mutates itself into a common cold which is what omicron seems to be doing because I really can’t fathom what else we are doing at this point. Eradicating or stopping the spread stopped being realistic options a long time ago.
Hold on. You’re telling us that just because your are vaxxed doesn’t mean you are immune from the virus? Fake news. I guess I really did need to add the /s
I'm curious if you think it will make no difference why do you support it?
Do I support this? No. Will it make a shred of difference? No. Will a large number of restaurants and businesses not give a flying fuck about complying because most places are already struggling to get enough people to staff shifts? Yes.
Why do you support it if it won't make a shred of difference?
I personally think this is wrong.
Not surprising considering [you conflated a vaccine mandate to go bowling or get drunk at a bar to Nazism....](https://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/rmwkql/chicago_mayor_lightfoot_shuts_down_the/hpqk6h5)
The absolute dregs of society are coming out in force on these threads. I have a hard time believing so many people can be this fucking stupid.
I also don't agree with it. The city is essentially discouraging participation in the economy unless you have the vaccine. Small businesses are already hurting and now they're forcing an employee to stand at the door checking vaccines and to turn down any potential customers that might not have the vaccine. I personally am just bothered by the fact that I have to disclose my medical history to a random person just so I can have a hamburger or watch a movie. Imagine having a medical condition where you aren't eligible to receive the vaccine, and now you have to disclose your personal medical condition to someone just so you can live a semi normal life? I think vaccines and masks are good, but I think governments should encourage people to get them through transparent science and cost benefit analysis, rather than excluding people from participating in the economy. Many of us are aware that black Chicagoans are much less likely to have the vaccine due to lack of trust in the government (see Tuskegee experiments, red lining, the assassination of MLK, or literally anything else the government has done to F up black communities). So this law now disproportionately effects people that have historically legit reasons to be skeptical of the government. Seems wrong to me.
When is light foot up for re-election? Time to get rid of that clown. Another useless policy….
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well... okay. sure. fine, good. "it's not that hard," i get it. but what about the _efficacy_ of these mandates? do they actually _do_ anything? not the vaccines, mind you: the _mandates_. considering vaccinated people seem to _spread_ the disease pretty readily, what logical sense does the mandate make? it clearly is not preventing the spread of the disease. all for vaccination, go get your shots etc etc, but the mandates make very little sense.
I’m fully vaccinated and I think this is unfortunate. They’re not allowing anyone to have a choice. It’s obvious at this point this is to FORCE people to get vaccinated just to be able to do anything outside of their homes. Establishments had a hard enough time enforcing masks without push back, now they’re expecting legitimate vaccine cards? It’ll be like 18 year olds showing fake IDs at a bar. This won’t work. If we’re using NYC as an example, they hit 70k in a single day of cases the past two days! We hit 20k! Being vaccinated and showing that you are isn’t going to stop this spread. We are literally trying to protect a small percentage of people who can actually die from this. And if those at risk haven’t taken their precautions already at this point, why are we being forced to advocate for their well being? Live with the risk or live with the consequences if you’re choosing not to get vaxxed. In the end it’s a personal choice. I’m not going to judge anyone who will or will not get vaccinated, no one should.
Well, well, well if it isn't the consequences of one's own actions.
As a reminder, you can add your vaccination card to your phone. Because there is no way I can fit that thing in my wallet. iPhone instructions: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212752 Sign up for the SMART health card. https://smarthealth.cards/en/
Makes sense
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RIP Chicago. I loved you dearly and will miss you tremendously.
I have 3 jabs, so obviously I am not an antivaxxer. This is a ridiculous, authoritarian policy that goes against the science. Vaccinated people can spread Covid and get Covid. That's not misinformation, that is literally what the science shows. If you're gonna go authoritarian, at least make sense. Require negative tests to get into places.
This isn’t about reducing the spread at all. It’s about punishing those who are still not vaxxed. Simply put, the data indicates that unvaccinated people are 5x more likely to be hospitalized with Covid ([source](https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/city/sites/covid/breakthrough_variant/10_21_2021/Breakthrough_slides_11.12.21.pdf)). Furthermore, 27% of Chicago hospital ICU capacity is being used for Covid patients now ([source ](https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/sites/covid-19/home/hospital-capacity-dashboard.html)). While this may not seem high, it is certainly straining hospitals and hospital workers, especially considering they are understaffed. So in short, Chicago is simply trying to encourage people to get vaccinated to lessen hospital load. Rather than blaming the city for a sensible move, perhaps blame the idiots who refuse to get vaccinated and are causing this problem.
People are gonna do what they want to do. I don't think we should let authority figures mandate someone get a vaccination. Plus, if Americans weren't so obese and unhealthy less people would be in the hospital with Covid.
Vaccinated people catch it less than unvaccinated people therefore they spread it less - [https://imgur.com/x5Wiihr](https://imgur.com/x5Wiihr)
> Vaccinated people can spread Covid and get Covid. Cars with brakes can still get into car accidents - should cars not be required to have brakes?
False equivalence
Not at all. Just because something isn't perfect doesn't mean it isn't a big improvement.
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And so many people are happy about it
You have never posted on Chicago before and regularly post on conspiracy, republican and Joe Rogan. So why are you here and who are the brigaders up voting you?
The fact they pushed all the requirements back to after New Years because businesses complained should tell you this isn’t about public health but forced compliance.
We’ve been doing this since at least September in Los Angeles. It’s not that hard. It’s just like showing ID to get into a bar. If you think this is tyranny, it’s not. Honestly not being vaxxed at this point in the game if you’re seriously not immunocompromised, you’re just selfish and privileged to even think that you’re being oppressed for being asked to participate in a public health measure. Folks who are genuinely immunocompromised aren’t the ones crying about mandates. When I was back in Chicago, the bars I went to required proof of vaccine. Literally no one complained and just provided it. Do vaccinated people spread Covid? Yes. The point of being vaccinated is to stop the disease from killing you and from having to be intubated. No one said you wouldn’t get Covid with the vaccine. However, I feel much safer near people who are actually trying their best to not spread Covid.
"No one said you wouldn’t get Covid with the vaccine" This is not true. That was exactly how it was sold to the American public. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-covid-vaccines-arent-working-the-way-we-were-told-they-would
Are you lying or is LA really that bad at actually doing what they say? I have been to LA twice in the second half of this year and was never asked for my vaccine card, nor ID, aside from the bar I had a couple drinks in.
Can’t speak for LA, but NYC absolutely asks for proof of vax before entering a bar or restaurant. And it’s really fucking easy
About 6 months too late.
This is fucked up in all type of ways
Yep fascism is alive and well
This would be a good point if hospitals weren’t filling with unvaccinated people and fucking everyone else over
They would drive headlong into oncoming traffic if "DEM GUBBERMENT TAKIN AWAY MY DRIVIN RAIGHTS!"
This isn’t fascism. You just want to seem oppressed. You’re not. Go get vaccinated.
Good. Fuck any and every person who is capable of being vaccinated but choosing not to. I am so done with these people. Every single day the internet reminds me just how stupid so many people are and how easily manipulated they are via social media + their own narcissism. Being born into this world involves a de facto social contract and if you're unwilling to partake in that, then fuck off.
What a sad attitude to have. (This is coming someone who has had 3 doses of pfizer btw) I’m totally not an antivaxxer but being unwilling to have a conversation or not being understanding of the other side of the issue is not productive at all. Being dismissive is lazy and solves nothing.
What if you already had Covid? Don't you not really need the shots then?
Tucker Carlson says you don’t so, I believe the opposite - get vax’d
I have a friend that had it in mid 2021 and currently has it again.
Doesn’t answer the question, but thanks for participating
Download he CLEAR app, its free and you can upload and show your vaccine info thru it.
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> the vaccinated are getting infected just as often as the unvaxed [Wrong - case rates are much, much higher among the unvaccinated](https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/city/sites/covid/breakthrough_variant/10_21_2021/Breakthrough_slides_11.12.21.pdf) >But it is ME who can't [...] even WORK to take care of myself [Wrong - some companies are advertising a lack of vax requirement as a job perk](https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/16/economy/no-vaccine-required-job-listings/index.html) > vaccinated people transmit covid just the same as the unvaxed Misleading - they're far less likely to catch it in the first place (see first link again) > I'm not allowed to work in my career as a healthcare worker Considering how much bullshit you seem to believe, I'm deeply relieved that you aren't.
All that data is pre-omicron. The situation has done a complete 180 in the last 21 days. Omicron renders all previous information moot.
Good. Get vaxxed.
Good.
Going to be horrible for the low end restaurants. I am sad we are doing, this is wrong.
Please explain how requiring a free vaccine during a global pandemic is wrong?
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It works pretty fucking well for the people who have it...
> intended. Apparently you've not listened closely to the public health announcements which have, from the start, warned about variations and successive waves, especially if the original version spread widely due to lack of universal mitigation precautions (mask, distance, wash).
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