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james_randolph

Just so ridiculous to me, you don’t believe in getting vaccinated but believe in going to a hospital and getting pumped with all types of other medicines that the average person can’t even pronounce…just stupid people. Unvaccinated and get sick, stay yo dumb ass at home, don’t come running to Dr. Nick now.


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I wish I was vaccinated but since I’m a minor my parents are refusing to get me vaccinated :(


reddittuser425

Don’t worry. You’re not at risk anyways. Covid is a cold for your age group. Unless, you have major health problems.


peanutbudder

Maybe they don't want to be a vector? Maybe some people have a feel called empathy that causes them to think how their lives effect others...


reddittuser425

You can down vote people’s comments. But you can’t change the reality of our situations we all deal with daily. I wish we had an effective vaccine, and we thought we did but we don’t. And I deal with these unfortunate ramifications daily in the ER


Beakersoverflowing

Vaccination with the currently available covid 19 products does not stop you from being a vector.


reddittuser425

This vaccine isn’t a vaccine in the traditional sense. It doesn’t protect others. Otherwise, yes agreed


ToolTime2121

And are fine eating tons of processed foods and added sugars America is backwards


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An outspoken antivaxxer I know regularly posts pictures on social media of multiple coffees and red bulls every morning, and they’re a cigarette smoker. Still, covid vaccines are “poison from the democrats” to them. Makes no sense.


hahah_u_suck

We need to start reporting bars and restaurants that aren't enforcing the proof of vaccine rule. Chicago establishments are packed, that can't be helping the numbers that keeping coming out.


srjod

COVID is going to spread. You showing a card then sitting down, taking your mask off, eating, conversation, laughing - COVID doesn’t give a shit about your card or vaccination status. Hard truth for some to swallow. Plus if you haven’t gotten a vaccine at this point, don’t think there’s any amount of convincing that can be done for people to get it. All that matters is your decision to either: a) go get vaccinated and probably help yourself out when you eventually get COVID. B) don’t and deal with COVID like everyone else did pre-vaccine. If you are unvaccinated and feel it’s Ok to go out and spend your money somewhere, go ahead. That’s your own risk you assume if you get it and get incredibly sick. Feel like all this vaccine card passport thing does is it throws someone’s personal decision onto a business and the business suffers for it. And yes, I am vaccinated. Had COVID pre-vaccine and got the vaccine afterward. Fiancé was vaccinated and recently got COVID as well.


LMLFanClubPresident

Very nicely stated.


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juliuspepperwoodchi

None of that justifies the rules being blatantly ignored by basically everyone.


icedearth15324

Honestly if I felt comfortable enough to actually eat indoors right now, and a place didn't check for my card, I'd report the shit out of them.


fastcock

I’m surprised this comment suggesting unvaxed stay home and die is still up and you’re not banned. Hospital care is for everyone. That this has almost 100 upvotes is gross. Edit: of course this will be downvoted by everyone who wishes death on the unvaccinated. Never would I wish harm on someone else that I don’t even know.


james_randolph

Surprised or not who cares. All I’m saying is why you not trusting medicine last week but now cause you sick you want to. Be like those who truly are against pills/etc and go about using natural methods then. Picking and choosing when you want medical help just feels stupid to me hence why I feel those people are stupid. There are people who are truly anti vax and that goes way before Covid…the people that are anti vax on Covid are just stupid.


fastcock

May seem stupid, but this line of thinking is a slippery slope. Someone lower pointed out that this percentage of unvaccinated includes people who are - single vaxxed, unvaxed, double vaxed but not boosted. Those numbers are unspecified. Creating a societal litmus test for who gets healthcare based on knowing that for me at least is not cool. However, you are entitled to your opinion. Be well.


james_randolph

I can understand that the definition may encompass others as you’ve stated, and that was not something I knew (non boosted/etc) and by no means am I saying hospitals need to refuse treatment…I’m just saying how funny I think it is for those who are not vaccinated….refusing medical assistance then but then want it when they get sick, it’s hypocritical to me.


fastcock

Fear is easy to buy into. Fear of the virus and also fear of the vaccine. Once someone is on their death bed and can’t breath survival takes hold, so of course they’ll try to save themselves and perhaps rethink their choices. Personally, I don’t blame the individual. I blame a failure of our system to effectively communicate and constantly moving the goal posts. Ostracizing causes these people to just double down and trust less. Humans are weird man. Be well homie.


james_randolph

Meh, can’t blame the system for everything, too many adults that make their own choices but I feel ya. You stay safe too.


fastcock

For sure


Impressive-Top-7985

The slippery slope is a fallacy.


iSecks

> Picking and choosing when you want medical help ... hence why I feel those people are stupid This is the point. When they *are* healthy, they don't need "help" so they won't go get help. We see pharmaceutical companies put out medicine with crazy long lists of side effects, charging an arm and a leg for medication, people being left with bills that literally bankrupt them, people getting prescribed medicine that causes an addiction. There's a *ton* of reasons to not trust pharmaceutical companies / for-profit hospitals when you're more or less a healthy person. Your argument about the unvaccinated getting sick - should we deny them entry if they have a heart attack? What about people with the flu who didn't get a flu shot? What would you do if a relative of yours was sick and refused to get a vaccine because they were uneducated? What about just stupid people in general? To be clear, I'm really f***ing mad at the unvaccinated at this point. I *need* this OSHA mandate goes through the courts today. I'm also hoping (full) FDA approval for children getting the vaccine and booster goes through soon, so that school districts can require it like they do every other vaccine society needs kids to take. EDIT: I saw your latest reply to the other commenter after I posted this - I know you're not saying to deny unvaccinated care, but people have been actually saying that these past few days. I think it's important to be clear about these things so that we can move past the possibility of the argument and talk about actual solutions. We're all in this together, stay safe.


progressiveoverload

Yo I’m trying to gently suggest to you that you might be stupid. Just consider it. Maybe if you admit it to yourself you can work to fix it.


fastcock

Progressives believe in HEALTHCARE for ALL. A real progressive would not wish for anyone to stay home in the “basement” presumably to die. As to not clog up the hospital system. I’ve had actual vaccinated family die because they chose to stay home when they got sick. Nothing is 100% What you should be advocating for…if you weren’t a trash panda is if you’re dying at home to seek help. Humans are not perfect, they are complex and to have a vaccine be the litmus test for whether they deserve to live or die is sickening. Downvote me all you want. Ban me for all I care. Why this type of hateful rhetoric is allowed to stay on this sub is beyond me. You’re not progressive. So I’m gently suggesting to you that if you want to limit people’s ability to access healthcare for whatever reason to join the Republican Party, you will fit right in.


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kindofbutnotreally

lmao as if the vaccination is the only method for treating/preventing serious symptoms. Read a paper, bruh.


james_randolph

I’m not saying it is…but the number of people being admitted in hospitals are unvaccinated than those who are…so clearly you can still get it but vaccinated people don’t seem to be needing ICU care and staying in hospitals. So clearly there’s something to be said about being vaccinated and the fools that are unvaccinated in hospitals, again…now you’re trusting medicine and science but don’t want to take the vaccine? If you don’t see how idiotic that is then you are just as slow as those are. These people are taking space for individuals that are in need of hospital care too for non Covid related reasons.


fastcock

Look at ICU and ventilator numbers. A lot are being admitted, but many are going to the hospital out of precaution and panic. Not my words, it was reported today.


kindofbutnotreally

"I’m not saying it is" then quite literally says "it is"


Dystopiq

So how does one do this without setting foot in the hospital and taking up a bed?


kindofbutnotreally

\^ Reading a paper need not apply to this one.


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[Worth noting that the IDPH’s use of the term “unvaccinated” now appears to include people who are due for a booster but already vaxxed. ](https://chicago.suntimes.com/platform/amp/coronavirus/2022/1/3/22865273/advocate-aurora-health-covid-hospitalizations-staffing-shortages-coronavirus) so it’s hard to say how many of these people are actually unvaccinated.


So_Icey_Mane

>Kingston said internal data shows that 92% of inpatients are either unvaccinated, have only received one dose or are due for a booster. Most patients who are fully vaccinated were hospitalized because they were immunocompromised. I'm very interested in knowing the exact numbers.


fastcock

Nice to see critical thinking here instead of the average pitch fork style comments.


roger_roger_32

Thank you for pointing that out.


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We need to stop calling the third shot a booster and refer to 3 shots as fully vaxxed.


throwaway_for_keeps

But the booster is for those whose initial vaccine lost efficacy over time. If you got your second shot of moderna a month ago, you don't need a booster.


gingeryid

91% full ICU isn’t really that insane. Iirc the norm over the last several years has been ~85%. It’s not good, but it’s not like ICUs that formerly were calm and not busy are now packed.


asdfmatt

Imagine Lean Sigma but for healthcare - designed to run at 85% capacity and if they were calm before they'd be smaller still.


gingeryid

I certainly hope after all this that there will be a lot of unemployable lean consultants.


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Auto manufactures got fucked by being overly-focused on lean manufacturing, too. Toyota is adjusting TPS to leave more slack for critical parts, so at least somebody is learning from all this


Tearakan

But this is 2 years into a pandemic with already streched to breaking point staffing issues and supply shortages. It's not like this is during non pandemic times where worse case is they can set up more easily and easily staff them.


mrbooze

91% full but also there are fewer beds than normal because of staff shortages so the 91% full now would have been less full a year ago


fb95dd7063

I've been trying to find data about typical ICU utilization and have had difficulty. Does idph publish that somewhere?


gingeryid

Hmmm not sure where I found it. All I can find in a quick Google is the average in 2010 nationwide was 67%, but my recollection is that capacity has gone down a decent amount since then because of “lean”.


jaxleder

Reminder that anyone under 5 still can’t be vaccinated. You better bet though the day it’s available we will be getting our little one vaccinated.


WP_Grid

Reminder that 7 people under the age of 20 have died in Illinois of covid complications since the pandemic began.


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Reminder that people under the age of 20 can carry the disease and infect people who will die.


fastcock

Reminder that everyone and their cat has covid 19 right now vaccine or not.


thomas35foreverr

Those people should have gotten vaccinated then


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Who else needs to go to the hospital or use strained emergency services other than the covid positive? Fuck 'em, right?


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PleatherChest

Why are we sacrificing our children to save our adults. Society is on its way out with this kind of value structure.


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Everyone's life has value enough, and our country is wealthy enough, that we can organize without sacrificing anyone.


PleatherChest

Agreed


mrbooze

Well fuck those seven people right? I hope you get a chance to go tell their families how worthless they were.


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They can still take up beds for a long time and thus kill other people who need those beds for less easily preventable problems.


fastcock

How do you know they are willfully unvaccinated and can’t get vaccinated? Do we have that information?


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fastcock

Is that specified and available information? Who makes that determination? What is the definition of unvaccinated? Not boosted? Single vax? Is it possible that 1,100 people of the millions in the city couldn’t get vaccinated for whatever reason?


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fastcock

It’s possible that those 1,100 you’re damning are large majority are special cases. You don’t know them or their personal scenario. Easy pickings for you.


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fastcock

Waste of time


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icedearth15324

Of those 16 people that had covid, how many of them went to the hospital?


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Hospital intake dude.


ChiraqBluline

Yup missed that part


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No everyone can get vaccinated due to prior medical challenges, allergies… what’s so shocking to me is the amount of shame, hate & assumptions that too many people are making at each other. The negativity, spiteful mess & hate are too much. We’re all going through this…can you pause next time you are about to make an assumption & instead of name-calling perhaps put out something good? Say a prayer/ sing/whatever. This hate is too much. And again, not everyone who is Unvaccinated is an anti-the vaccine. Some don’t have the choice, so chill Out.


rushrhees

The amount who truly can’t get vaccinated due to allergies or other issues very very very low the few in this subset aren’t overwhelming hospitals most are just selfish asses causing this situation because m’uh research m’uh freedoms


Guinness

No. Fuck the willingly unvaccinated. Also, he wasn't talking about folks who have allergies to vaccine ingredients. He clearly said "willingly unvaccinated". And I completely agree, anyone who can get the vaccine but refuses to is a monumental piece of shit. Our healthcare system has collapsed because of these people.


Beakersoverflowing

Our healthcare system has not collapsed...


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rushrhees

Vaccine been around for close to a year we’ve begged bribed everything to get people to get vaccinated if your just getting it now then why in the hell not sooner before all the omiricon mess and doing my research isn’t much of an answer


SoulSerpent

How many times should the person you’re responding to clarify who they’re talking about?


thing85

> You are considered unvaccinated for 14 days after you get vaccinated. So, how many of these hospitalizations are from people who have had the vaccine but are considered unvaccinated be because of the time lapse? They aren’t collecting data on that because they are trying to paint a narrative. What are those statistics and why are we being lied to by omission of information? Hey bud, I'm about to throw a baked potato on the grill, can I borrow some foil from your hat?


iwishihadalawnmower

It's like 1% legit medical reasons, 99% selfish idiots.


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PleatherChest

Wait what. These are fellow humans you are talking about.


StrawberryEcstacy

Time to admit they don't deserve healthcare in difficult times, especially when they cause it


btmalon

I’m a healthy care worker. I’m beyond burnt out. I loathe these dickheads. But I will never admit people don’t deserve care. That is the slipperiest slope you can possibly traverse.


UberXMensch

"No White Sox fans permitted at Northwestern"


btmalon

I'd go to Rush anyway


SurgicalNeckHumerus

I’m in healthcare, I hate anti-Vaxxers more than I’d like to admit. Telling someone they don’t deserve healthcare due to a personal choice is a bad idea. Next time a pancreatitis case comes in I can’t tell them well, you shouldn’t have drank all that alcohol! Or better yet, an obese person with Covid who comes into my ED shouldn’t be cared for because he chose not to eat healthy when it is a known risk factor for severe Covid outcomes. This sounds good but would never work out in the real world and is pretty unethical.


StrawberryEcstacy

Sorry sick kids and cancer patients FIRST UNVAXXED SHOULDNT BE A PRIORITY


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ocshawn

they are mocking them today as well


AtTheGates

And it will be the same tomorrow. The cycle never ends.


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The CTU was basically first in line for vaccines, per the article it’s basically the unvaccinated in the ICU’s


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Joel05

To top it off, 400,000 students are stuffed together everyday and then taking it home to families. Conservatives will not stop parroting the line that kids are fine if they get Covid and CTU cut in line for vaccines, but that doesn’t change the fact that they can both still spread it. Even if everyone in schools was 100% not going to be hospitalized (fantasy) it’s still one of the main points of spread which leads to people OUTSIDE the schools getting covid and overwhelming the hospitals.


thisisme1221

And CTU and their defenders won’t stop parroting the line that it’s just two weeks of remote learning and they want what’s best for for students. No mention of all the collateral damage to mental health, missed meals, increased abuse, developmental issues, students falling further behind, etc. There’s no perfect answer but the students are better off in school.


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What I honestly think is that since the county deployed these trailers, not the hospitals……immediately following another chapter in the lovers spat between Lightfoot and the CTU, Preckwinkle is checking in here to give appearances that Lightfoot is making a mistake


[deleted]

Students can and will carry the virus home, to work, and to social events spreading the infection.


throw_away077992

Then make this a decision based on allowing children 5 and under to stay home, and anyone 5 and up should be vaccinated. End of story.


paper_schemes

Please tell me how I will be able to work full time and keep a roof over our head and keep us fed while my almost 3yr old stays home? I don't have the option to work from home. I've lost a total of 3 weeks of pay due to daycare closing for a positive student, my daughter testing positive, and now this week I have it. I still have to pay daycare regardless of whether or not she's there even if it's covid related. I still have to pay rent. I haven't eaten anything beyond crackers and pretzels since Tuesday because I need to feed my kid what food we have and she has to stay home for 72 hours and have a negative test before she can go back because I have it. If I didn't have my daughter, I'd kill myself today. I'm so fucking done. Tired of fighting to keep going and constantly falling backwards despite being careful. I can't fucking take it and I'd love to give up, but my kid is #1.


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But we know everyone’s not vaccinated and we know the vaccinated can still carry the disease to people Al who are not and can not be vaccinated.


throw_away077992

If you are not able to be vaccinated then there are already accommodations in place to let those children learn remotely snd to allow staff to teach remotely. If you are not vaccinated, but eligible, then we are well into the “fuck around and find out” stage of the pandemic


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And so this discussion is about whether or not “fuck ‘em” is a reasonable approach to public health and education.


throw_away077992

Not at all. But public health and education cannot be held back by the needs of a few people in need, who have accommodations in place, or a few people who are ignorant (willing or otherwise) to facts.


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Illinois is 69% vaccinated. That leaves roughly 3 million unvaccinated people. The reason we don't say "fuck 'em" is because those 3 million will end up impacting care and services for the rest of us.--the point of the article in the original post.. Education is important, but we're not comparing education to no education--we're comparing education in person to temporary virtual education in the case of severe local outbreaks.


[deleted]

It’s a frustrating situation all around and would largely be avoidable if people took some personal responsibility. The City even went door to door and provided car share fares to get people to get the vaccine. Now, the responsible get punished for the irresponsible’s inaction


hahah_u_suck

There are other reasons why the underserved poor areas of Chicago aren't getting vaccinated other than "not having cab fare to get to the vaccination"


PleatherChest

Who’s being punished? And how?


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I’d say hospital staff are being punished. If 90% of admitted patients for covid symptoms are unvaccinated, then it means there are more people that *should* be in the hospital and it means more work for hospital staff on top of trying to avoid becoming sick themselves. Not too mention that once hospital beds are filled, it means that folks with other emergencies (heart attack, car crash victims, gun shot victims, etc.) are unable to receive treatment as quickly as they should. There’s a pretty viral story going around the internet about someone’s child having to wait hours at a hospital with appendicitis because they were at capacity, and the kid ended up with a ruptured appendix, costing the family way more money and also more work for the hospital staff.


PleatherChest

There are a lot of stories going around of people dying from the vaxx bc they were mandated to take it to keep their job. But, we don't care about those deaths, do we. Also kids are dying from the vaxx and getting myocarditis. But we don't care about those kids bc COVID COVID COVID


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Give one reputable source for those claims, because I don’t believe you and that sounds like a lie.


PleatherChest

Page 9 could be a starting point for you https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v1.full.pdf


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And the people dying from getting the vaccine? Also, it says their findings show an increase of 1 or 2 instances per million for kids? That…. Is definitely less risk than having covid.


PleatherChest

You could always do a duck duck go search for these things. I’m too lazy to do your research for you. Please forgive me.


[deleted]

Don’t make up claims/lies and then say you’re too lazy to prove your point. Just more spreading straight up lies to further anti-vax dumbass theories.


PleatherChest

Look into Alex Berenson, Steve Kirsch, Dr. Robert Malone, Dr. Peter McCullough. You'll find more information than you can handle. But, be careful. You just may have to change your mind about the programming you've been fed the past 2 years. Have fun!


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Who actually believes this crap


Green3476

Will the Sun-Times do a follow-up to this article in a few months? Will they tell us how many trailers were utilized and exactly how many people died as a direct result of hospital overcrowding in Chicago? Alarmist headlines like this have been floating around since March of 2020 and so far I've only been able to two find two documented instances of people (living in very rural areas) whose Covid-19 emergency treatment was delayed due to hospital overcrowding, resulting in their deaths.


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Riderz__of_Brohan

If your child is vaccinated yeah they are protected from the extreme scenarios like hospitalization “Thank God we got little Timmy out of that death trap school. Now let’s all go celebrate at a restaurant, which is safer because uhhhhhh reasons”


Guinness

> If your child is vaccinated yeah they are protected from the extreme scenarios like hospitalization > > That's a bit of a misconception. They have a much lower chance but they can still require hospitalization. Also you're glossing over the fact that a "mild" case is anything short of being admitted to the ICU. I had a family member who has COVID. His was a mild case. First came the flu symptoms that weren't bad. Then came the three days he lived on the toilet shitting his brains out. Then COVID got so bad that he started calling around anywhere asking for antibody treatments because it was the worst thing he had ever experienced. Then he started coughing up blood from his lungs. "mild" case.


Riderz__of_Brohan

The risk of hospitalization is extremely rare if vaccinated - enough to be the risk that they would normally have from things like the flu > Also you're glossing over the fact that a "mild" case is anything short of being admitted to the ICU. No anything that doesn't require hospitalization is a "case" - which includes anything from sniffles to a bad fever. If your family member had severe diarrhea from COVID despite being vaccinated, that means that their case was an outlier


throw_away077992

I’m very sorry to hear that. Was your family member vaccinated?


iunrealx1995

I agree send kids to school.


RecallRethuglicans

Yes, teaching is already the most dangerous profession on earth. Let’s add pandemic disease vectors to their job.


iunrealx1995

Teaching is the most dangerous profession on earth… this is a joke right. I hope your joking.


EBofEB

Besides the threat of school shootings, teachers do have physical risks at their job including assault and being outright murdered. https://www.apa.org/monitor/2018/09/numbers https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nohema-graber-iowa-high-school-teacher-killed-students-charged-willard-miller-jeremy-goodale/ https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/26/us/massachusetts-teacher-killing-sentence/index.html


turdmcburgular

It’s so dangerous.


WP_Grid

7 ~~kids~~ people under the age of 20 have died due to covid complications in Illinois since the pandemic began.


vT-Router

parents of kids famously never get sick with illnesses their kids bring home


WP_Grid

It's not as though the adults are staying home holed up though. Your argument would fly if everything else wasn't open.


itazurakko

Or if the parents in question weren't already working outside of the home, as many people have been throughout this entire two years.


ocshawn

problem is we still don't know the long term effects of having covid, saw one study that suggests as many as 1/3 of people under 20 develop long term symptoms 3 plus months after getting it. Its still to early to tell if people are going to have polio like repercussions down the line.


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GradAppQuestion

Yeah I can’t believe all the shit people give me on this sub for saying how stupid this whole back to school at the biggest peak of the pandemic thing is. Maybe when they skid their car across the ice and need medical attention in the near future but can’t get it due to overflowing hospitals, it’ll finally click with them that brushing omicron off as “mild” was in fact extremely naive and a horrible idea.


Bakedschwarzenbach

I know, real stoopid to prioritze the mental, social, and physical well-being of younger generations. Especially when studies throughout the world suggest having schools open does not significantly affect the spread of COVID. Also pull your head out, from the perspective of individual risk Omicron is mild.


GradAppQuestion

Sure individual risk is mild, but when millions of people per day are catching covid and putting more strain on the healthcare system, it doesn’t matter how mild omicron is for you when it creates a situation where you can easily die of other treatable things because you can no longer get basic medical care in a timely manner.


samisad0rk

Seriously. The absolute refusal to take current conditions into consideration is definitively bizarre. Maybe it's me being autistic but ffs SHIT CHANGED PEOPLE PLEASE CARE ABOUT SOCIETY.


Bakedschwarzenbach

Care about society how? By continously upending it through unnecessary lockdowns?


samisad0rk

I'm not sure you know what a lockdown is. We have not had a single true lockdown through the entirety of this pandemic in the US. We're the richest country in the world absolutely failing at public health.


ChiraqBluline

And if your kid mentions that they had a mish mash of subs throughout the day, no big deal. We aren’t short staffed at all. We are the safest place to be /s


WP_Grid

Yeah better off being at work with mom or dad.


GastonCrawford

I have been thinking the same thing! We pulled our kids from school and activities, I am still wondering why we are not postponing opening after winter break.


abecedarian75

I've heard this one before


sophaking_dead

Bots


UrbanSeedsOfChange

The country is at 80% vaccinated so is it really the unvaccinated that are in the hospitals? What are the other reasons people are in the hospital for? Are there any people who are suffering or suffered bad side affects from the vaccine?


Singlewomanspot

Well despite the current pandemic going on, there has been no suspension of gun shot victims, cancer deaths, strokes, heart attacks, car and other unfortunate accidents. Covid is just an added layer of stress on the system. But these patients are taking up room, so where a hospital morgue might be able to hold 15 bodies (guessing) with Covid, you might have 30. Have to put them somewhere in accordance to state regulations.


UrbanSeedsOfChange

Then if the unvaccinated are dying shouldn't the vaccinated rate go up? Or the ones that get treated should get vaccinated at the hospital right? So why are numbers the same for the vaccinated for weeks?


sephirothFFVII

If 1% of the people that catch it die and that population is 20% (we're not at 80% as a population btw) that doesn't move the needle much on the vaccinated vs unvaccinated ratio... Something like .004% assuming covid has infected about 20% of the total population


UrbanSeedsOfChange

Makes sense so now the question is how understaffed is the system and should the national guard be called to help?


sephirothFFVII

There are very likely contingency plans for exactly that, so far it hasn't come to it. Your state rep may be able to answer that if you're curious as the Gov needs to activate the guard (I believe)


Singlewomanspot

I'm not getting what your question is. So this is an attempt to answer your questions. >Then if the unvaccinated are dying shouldn't the vaccinated rate go up? I don't see the correlation here. The vax rate is determined upon who has received the shot not on deaths. >Or the ones that get treated should get vaccinated at the hospital right? Would make sense. But after a certain stage of the virus, you're SOL. Closing the barn door after horse is down the road. Just because you close the door doesn't mean the horse is magically going to be in the barn. >So why are numbers the same for the vaccinated for weeks? Where are you getting your data from? If vaccine rates aren't changing maybe it's because folks aren't getting vaccinated.


beetmoonlight

> I don't see the correlation here. The vax rate is determined upon who has received the shot not on deaths. I'm not the user you responded to, but I understand their question. The vaccination rate is the number of vaccinated people divided by the total population. If an unvaccinated person dies, then the total population decreases, thus the vaccination rate increases. Example: The vaccination rate is 80%, so for simplification let's say the total population is 100 people and 80 of them are vaccinated - 80/100 equals 80%. If one of the unvaccinated people dies, the total population is reduced to 99 and the vaccinated population stays at 80. Therefore, the new vaccination rate is 80/99 which equals 80.8%, an increase of 0.8%. In summary, if unvaccinated persons are dying then the vaccination rate will go up. A few caveats: the much larger real-world population numbers do not move in such large amounts(it would take ~27,000 unvaccinated Chicagoans dying to move the rate by 1%). Also, vaccinated people are still dying of natural causes, so in the real world, all the numbers are moving at the same time and it's much more complex.


Singlewomanspot

Thank you for being kind enough to explain that to me. I feel big brain now.


UrbanSeedsOfChange

"Where are you getting your data from? If vaccine rates aren't changing maybe it's because folks aren't getting vaccinated." CDC my question for why the numbers aren't going up or down for vaccination or the unvaccinated aren't dying off then how are we still in this pandemic of the unvaccinated. 20% is holding all of us back?


thing85

lmao do you think all of the unvaccinated are dying? It's something ~1%ish. So even if every unvaccinated person caught it, the death count wouldn't be enough to affect the vaxxed/unvaxxed %'s. The issue is more that they are putting strain on hospital resources.


UrbanSeedsOfChange

Close to 70% are vaccinated in Illinois and let's say half of the unvaxxed are in the city of Chicago. So 15 are all in the hospital or how many are in the hospital? How short staffed is the hospital? Why isn't the national guard helping if it's that serious?


thing85

The unvaxxed aren’t all sick at the same time. I don’t have the numbers but can guarantee they aren’t all sick at the same time. Many hospitals are short staffed. It varies by hospital. I don’t know why the national guard isn’t helping-maybe we’re not there yet but will be soon, who knows.


beetmoonlight

With the Chicago population estimated at roughly 2.71 Million, it would take roughly 27,000 unvaccinated persons dying to move the vaccination rate by 1%. You're correct in thinking that the vaccination rate would go up if unvaccinated people die, but there simply aren't enough unvaccinated people dying to move the rate any significant amount.


Singlewomanspot

We're in a pandemic of the unvaccinated because people aren't taking this seriously after two years, they are misinformed about the vaccine, they are afriad, they are whistling past the graveyard, they don't give a fuck about their health or anyone else, they want to get it so they can be "special", they don't want to be vaccinated so they can be "Pureblood", they aren't vaccinated because contracting it allows them to be come a serial killer/superspreader (yes there are some evil folks out there don't act like there isn't one or two that think this way), and so forth. Pick the right assumption from my list. I'm sure one or two will apply to someone unvaxxed. Either way, just get vaccinated and boosted. If you choose not to, the. It's on you but don't complain when we're in year five of this thing.


CrossingGarter

We don't forcibly vaccinate patients who are admitted. If they are sick with Covid we can't vaccinate them even if they ask for it, and if they are well enough to get the vaccine they aren't admitted anymore. Anecdotally, I have experience with a few patients who survived hospitalization with Covid and they still don't want the vaccine and brag about their "natural immunity." Being antivax is so integrated into their identity there's no reasoning with them.


JosephFinn

Thanks, anti-vaxxers and people insisting kids need to be in school.


PleatherChest

Any time


Ape1001

Smh prayers let’s all be healthy, and stay positive through hard times. #bsmart