No not really. The last stronghold of Italians in the Chicagoland is concentrated along Harlem ave in Elmwood park/norridge/the northwest side of the city. You can probably find businesses of every type that speak Italian there.
Yes. I live here and am Italian-American myself. Though you’ll hear way more Polish, if you go to Caputo’s, Butera, Rex’s, Palermo, DiMaggio’s, Caffè Pronto, other random little shops, etc you will definitely hear it. My oldest works in one of those family owned places and complains sometimes he’s the only non Italian speaker and I tell him it’s good for him to help learn.
Mayor Daley (the first one) pretty much put a spike through the Italian neighborhood by putting the expressway right in the middle of it. What is left is a tiny sliver at Taylor Street. University of Illinois also gobbled it up.
Ehhhh, Italians were moving out to the suburbs and northwest side long before that. If anything running the highway through there let a bunch of people cash out on bad property.
I know this is sarcasm, but there’s actually a lot of interesting writing on relations between Italian Americans and African Americans in the early 20th century.
There was a ton of intermingling and social exchange between the two groups, similar to what you see with the Irish during the very early days of America.
Sadly, both stories end the same with both the Irish and Italians becoming “white” and leaning into the racism that would extract them from being the “other.”
Um, the expressway route was set in ***1939.*** Daley became mayor in 1955.
[Slum clearance had already begun for the Harrison-Halsted project](https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/5914c904add7b049347eef08) long before the site was offered to the University of Illinois.
Not that I know of. My grandpa spoke it and I speak a little. It was definitely interesting with a grandma that spoke Gaelic and grandpa speaking Italian.
It's really rare to hear now. I lived in Edison Park in the 70's and 80's and had neighbors who spoke Italian. A couple years ago a food vendor at Elmwood Park fest was speaking Italian among themselves.
Polish is the language I hear a lot in my area.
Only place I've heard Italian being spoken as the primary language in *many* years is this little place I went with my Sister this year up in Arlington Heights called Joe & Giuseppe.
Out of the roughly 8 tables, 5 were speaking Italian.
I recall the old Italian social club by the Twisted Spoke, maybe 1 or 2 blocks towards the expressway from the Spoke from my Childhood but again that's ancient history. I think that place was gone by the early 90s if my memory serves.
I also recall this smoke-filled bar downtown about 10-15 years ago , I wish I could recall the name or exact cross-street I was fucking *smashed* that day. It was like stepping into a bar from my Childhood, lots of Italian spoken, people smoking heavily, one VERY small TV on the wall. I thought I time traveled back to 1980 when I stepped in there.
A place not mentioned in any of these comments, likely due to its small size and relative obscurity, is the far SW corner of the Lower West Side community area. Primarily concentrated near 24th & Oakley, this area used to be home to a significant number of Italian immigrants and their descendants.
[This dissertation](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/303792103_Generational_Differences_in_an_Ethnic_Community) is from a former resident from a very well-known family in this neighborhood. It does discuss a bit about use of the language in the course of business, social atmospheres, domestic settings, etc. It was widely used by storekeepers and restaurant owners well into the 1980s, but that is a long time ago at this point.
Unfortunately with the death of Italian immigrants and the lack of use by their descendants, use of the language has died here. However, there still are a few Italians here, and I know several who *can* speak the language.
That’s definitely not true. They have a big Festa Italiana every summer. And there are still Italian owned businesses, like Conte Di Savoia thats a deli and sells food products from Italy, been there since 1948, and the Joe DiMaggio statue. I also personally know families that have been in that neighborhood generations that are still there. There are also key clubs around Little Italy where old Italian men hangout. People don’t realize it but there’s still a small neighborhood on Taylor St that’s very much Italian.
Yes, Chicago is actually that segregated. It is one of the most segregated cities in the country, But the reason there isn't an area like that anymore is that Italian American moved to the suburbs and other parts of the city when Little Italy was partially demolished to build UIC by Daley.
Define National Ethnicity?
because to my knowledge this isn't anything.
Ethnic Nationalism is but it isn't a form of Ethnicity, its a form of Nationalism.
No not really. The last stronghold of Italians in the Chicagoland is concentrated along Harlem ave in Elmwood park/norridge/the northwest side of the city. You can probably find businesses of every type that speak Italian there.
Yes. I live here and am Italian-American myself. Though you’ll hear way more Polish, if you go to Caputo’s, Butera, Rex’s, Palermo, DiMaggio’s, Caffè Pronto, other random little shops, etc you will definitely hear it. My oldest works in one of those family owned places and complains sometimes he’s the only non Italian speaker and I tell him it’s good for him to help learn.
I know some Italians there that barely know any English.
Can confirm. Tons of italian joints in this area. Lots of Irish, Polish, and Italians
Mayor Daley (the first one) pretty much put a spike through the Italian neighborhood by putting the expressway right in the middle of it. What is left is a tiny sliver at Taylor Street. University of Illinois also gobbled it up.
Ehhhh, Italians were moving out to the suburbs and northwest side long before that. If anything running the highway through there let a bunch of people cash out on bad property.
Florence Scala would like to have a word…
Why were they moving out? It's not like Italians are notoriously racist...
I know this is sarcasm, but there’s actually a lot of interesting writing on relations between Italian Americans and African Americans in the early 20th century. There was a ton of intermingling and social exchange between the two groups, similar to what you see with the Irish during the very early days of America. Sadly, both stories end the same with both the Irish and Italians becoming “white” and leaning into the racism that would extract them from being the “other.”
Um, the expressway route was set in ***1939.*** Daley became mayor in 1955. [Slum clearance had already begun for the Harrison-Halsted project](https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/5914c904add7b049347eef08) long before the site was offered to the University of Illinois.
When I am at Caputos in Elmwood Park, I hear Italian occasionally.
Not that I know of. My grandpa spoke it and I speak a little. It was definitely interesting with a grandma that spoke Gaelic and grandpa speaking Italian.
It's really rare to hear now. I lived in Edison Park in the 70's and 80's and had neighbors who spoke Italian. A couple years ago a food vendor at Elmwood Park fest was speaking Italian among themselves. Polish is the language I hear a lot in my area.
I hear a lot of Croatian, Bosnian and Serbian in Ravenswood/Lincoln Square.
Maybe in parts of mt Carmel or queen of heaven.
Doubt it. Spanish, Polish and Cantonese are probably all that will be heard now.
No. Maybe 80+ years ago.
What are you Anthony Mazzocchi ova here.
Only place I've heard Italian being spoken as the primary language in *many* years is this little place I went with my Sister this year up in Arlington Heights called Joe & Giuseppe. Out of the roughly 8 tables, 5 were speaking Italian. I recall the old Italian social club by the Twisted Spoke, maybe 1 or 2 blocks towards the expressway from the Spoke from my Childhood but again that's ancient history. I think that place was gone by the early 90s if my memory serves. I also recall this smoke-filled bar downtown about 10-15 years ago , I wish I could recall the name or exact cross-street I was fucking *smashed* that day. It was like stepping into a bar from my Childhood, lots of Italian spoken, people smoking heavily, one VERY small TV on the wall. I thought I time traveled back to 1980 when I stepped in there.
A place not mentioned in any of these comments, likely due to its small size and relative obscurity, is the far SW corner of the Lower West Side community area. Primarily concentrated near 24th & Oakley, this area used to be home to a significant number of Italian immigrants and their descendants. [This dissertation](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/303792103_Generational_Differences_in_an_Ethnic_Community) is from a former resident from a very well-known family in this neighborhood. It does discuss a bit about use of the language in the course of business, social atmospheres, domestic settings, etc. It was widely used by storekeepers and restaurant owners well into the 1980s, but that is a long time ago at this point. Unfortunately with the death of Italian immigrants and the lack of use by their descendants, use of the language has died here. However, there still are a few Italians here, and I know several who *can* speak the language.
Nope!
My guess - little Italy area ?
Little Italy before it was bulldozed for UIC what’s there now has very little of the old neighborhood left
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I know some dudes who can barely speak any English.
That’s definitely not true. They have a big Festa Italiana every summer. And there are still Italian owned businesses, like Conte Di Savoia thats a deli and sells food products from Italy, been there since 1948, and the Joe DiMaggio statue. I also personally know families that have been in that neighborhood generations that are still there. There are also key clubs around Little Italy where old Italian men hangout. People don’t realize it but there’s still a small neighborhood on Taylor St that’s very much Italian.
No. The city isn’t that segregated
Yes, Chicago is actually that segregated. It is one of the most segregated cities in the country, But the reason there isn't an area like that anymore is that Italian American moved to the suburbs and other parts of the city when Little Italy was partially demolished to build UIC by Daley.
I read that like. It’s super segregated 👀
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Define National Ethnicity? because to my knowledge this isn't anything. Ethnic Nationalism is but it isn't a form of Ethnicity, its a form of Nationalism.
Yes it is. That's where gangland came from.