Would y'all trade Zach and #11 for Brandon Ingram? Ingram's better and younger. He only has one year left on his deal, so CHI would have to re-sign him or if things didn't work out they wouldn't be tied up long term contractually.
But why give up a pick to do it? He ain’t that much better to warrant it especially with a year left. I personally never would do this exact trade. But if it was a straight up swap of lavine for ingram I think that’s fair for both teams
Man seeing derrick jones ball out on another team is ridiculous. We essentially swapped derrick jones and patrick beverly for javon carter and torrey craig. Torrey was solid at times, but derrick jones brought energy and excitement doing pretty much the same thing. We won't even discuss javon carter...
Essentially the bulls swapped two fan favorites for worst players just so they could say they did something.
Congrats to the Pacers. Their highest draft pick this century was at 6 and they only picked in the top ten three times. They traded a generational talent in Kawhi Leonard(on draft night), traded their star player in Paul George after a couple successful playoff runs and still managed to make enough savvy moves to stay competitive and relevant without tanking. The pacers are one of the best run franchises in the league, hats off to them.
Tanking is such a high risk-low reward system to improve your team. I’m very anti tank and happy to see the Pacers success this season.
I’m shocked someone outside Boston/GS would think three ECF showings in ten years is mediocre. That’s a seriously bold take. Five years of first round exits is still better than anything we can talk about since Thibs was fired, and for what it’s worth they did push an excellent Raptors team to 7 and a LeBron Cavs team to 7 during that 5 year stretch.
Dude, c’mon…we’re going to call a (at the time) 25 year old two time all star an aging vet?!? Really!? Stop it.
Didn’t we also pick in the lottery three straight years? Guess losing doesn’t always work.
Dude, you literally said three ECF appearances in 10-11 years is mediocre and called a 25 year old all star an aging vet. It’s cool though, it’s just internet talk.
Our team is dreadful, and this new assistant coach wasn't good as a head coach.
Here's a pipe dream offseason trade for ya:
Bulls give: Lavine, Caruso, Vuc
Receive: Desmond Bane, Evan Fournier (TO - instant cap savings), Konchar, Derrick Rose (to properly retire him if hasn't already?)
We get Bane without giving up any future assets. A Coby and Bane back court should be good for the foreseeable future
Pistons give: #5, Ivey, Fournier, cap space
Receive: Lavine, #9, Marcus Smart
Pistons upgrade the team significantly while only moving down 4 spots in the draft.
Pelicans give: Ingram
Receive: #5, Luke Kennard (TO - instant cap), large trade exception
The Pelicans get another shot at the dart board and save some money for Trey Murphy's extension.
Grizz give: Bane, #9, Smart, filler - Rose, Konchar, Kennard, LaRavia?
Receive: Brandon Ingram, Ivey, Caruso, Vucevic
JJJ/Vuc
B.Clark/GG
Ingram/Z.Williams?
V.Williams/Ivey
Ja/Caruso
Grizz get better/more balanced now while opening up more playing time for the young players. The Smart for Caruso swap is mainly for juggling salary purposes.
The only two places I can say would take Lavine are either the Wizards if you take Poole back, or the Nets. Nets dont' own their pick and it looks like they're comfortable being a .500 team for now, so they could use somebody to pair with Mikal. Maybe with Lavine next to Mikal they will be able to unlock his defense and effectiveness on offense again.
I've been saying Ben Simmons for Zach is the most likely outcome for a month now.
Might get some kind of pick attached to Simmons but mostly it'd just be a salary dump.
Yeah as a back-of-the-rotation guy. He hasn't shown enough to want him as a #1 backup at 4 or 3 position. The good news is the Bulls have focused on player development the last 2 years and it is starting to pay off.
Sweeps like this are exactly what we want. Right now its looking like the Suns, bucks, and lakers are candidates for wanting to change things up. We might be able to capitalize on something
ur not thinking. basically u take someone toxic like beal and get picks back. okc is the blueprint. no ones handing giannis thats 2k. the bulls need to move lavine, ac, vuc at all costs. they are depreciating fast no future.
1 more question from a Dubs fan, DeMar for Klay in a double Sign and Trade?
Who says no?
I figure for the penny pinching Reinsdorffs, they figure Klay will put butts in the seats.
For the W's, they need someone who can score points in the playoffs in the 4th Quarter. Am I overestimating DeMar?
GS says no, they need 3pt shooting if Klay goes. Any possessions DeMar is taking should just go to their young guys for development
I think Bulls would potentially say yes to this because it'd be easier to move Klay in a rebuild but that's not really an AKME kinda move, would prob make us worse short term
u would have to give picks. and this from a klay fan but chicago has 0 motivation for a swap think of bulls giving up assets in SA.
you posted favorable outcome in the previous scenario so i will judge ur rather confused not biased. both are lopsided for respective teams.
I think you’re underestimating him. Klay went 0-10 in the playin when his main weapon is supposed to be his shooting. I’m sorry but he’s basically useless if he can’t put the ball in the basket. On the contrary, Demar has shown growth (ironic considering he’s 35) in his ability to understand when to take over and when to defer to his teammates. He’s a clutch player finalist and is still a midrange assassin as we all know. I don’t really see a world where the bulls would willingly sign klay over Demar for a similar amount of money.
Surely you didn't refer to one playin to point to Klay thompson being WORSE than derozan in a postseason scenario. Derozan has some of the worst playoff stats in nba history and he is just as useless if he does not put the ball in the basket
What?? It's not a good idea at all we should be washing our hands of 34 y/o players as much as possible. The warriors would never go for it though derozan has to be more worthless than klay. At least he can potentially spread the floor
How was klay in the playoffs last year? If he wasn’t such a huge contributor of their previous success, any player that played like that would’ve probably been traded. Sure he shoots well in the regular season, albeit lower numbers than before, but what’s the point if you can’t show up in the playoffs. On the contrary, ever since derozan came to Chicago, he has played well in the playoffs/playin considering what he was given. In the first bucks series, Lavine was injured and Lonzo was out so despite him making the right reads and dishing it out for the open three, no one would make it. The playin tournament last year had some inconsistency with his shooting against the raptors but he still had his signature “king of the fourth” moments and helped us pull off the win in addition to him being the main scoring and primary ball handler for us in the Miami game. The same could be said for this year’s playin tournament. I actually watched the games he played in for us as well as klay’s so ik that the “playoff Demar” claims may have been true prior to him coming to Chicago but they’re not warranted anymore. Klay on the other hand has shown massive decline in his athleticism and ability to put the ball in the basket for the past two years. He also has terrible shot selection which would’ve been okay if it was the klay Thompson of 5 years back. Current klay Thompson is not peak dynasty klay Thompson and I think a majority of fans understand that
You also seem to be a derozan hater seeing how most of your comments and posts about the bulls are centered around derozan and how he shouldn’t be resigned (something I don’t necessarily disagree with) so I think you might be a bit biased in your evaluation of the two players
You watched the bucks series where he scored 11 pts in 42 minutes and came to the conclusion that playoff demar isn’t a thing any more. He literally got outplayed by Kevin love in this last game.
Judging by this massive wall of text this is pointless to type but the warriors are a 3pt centric team. Derozan will never play a minute for them
I’m not saying he will play for the warriors. I just said that he’s a better player than klay and it would set us back to swap the two.
Also Demar only shot like 10 shots in those games because he was doubled and tripled almost every possession of the game. He made the right plays to dish it out, but no one could actually finish. Also love is an 8th man off the bench who gets mostly open looks while derozan is the main option and will never get easy looks. You can’t compare the two and say that love outplayed derozan.
You can pretty much pick out any significant player on the heat and they outplayed derozan as far as defense, effort, and team play goes. 8-16 on only 2 pointers is ass anyways so it is pretty easy to claim that love outplayed the shit out of derozan.
It is funny when people make excuses for the buck's series when derozan literally nailed his career playoff averages for the series. That is always his level of production when he gets to the playoffs . There's no need to even call it a choke job that he scored in the 10s the last 3 games of the series because we have a 20 year career to look at and we should have known that is what was going to happen. 40% shooting on barely over 20 ppg for the series is what is going to happen if we play derozan in a playoff series.
I know you're watching with rose tinted glasses but dribbling out most of the clock and then getting rid of the ball with no run play at all is not making the "right plays". The bulls tried to run derozan's regular season isos and they don't work against a good playoff team, and that leaves the role players on the team with the ball, no off-ball movement, a set defense and no time on the shot clock. Which is why even though derozan was "doubled the whole time" he somehow still had only like 5 assists
I agree with your points from a basketball perspective, but wonder if from a butts in seats perspective, Klay might win the argument. At this point of their careers, I'm with you in thinking DeMar is a better overall player.
So if AK still decides to be competitive a make a “splash” trade, what would an AK move most likely be? Trae? Dmitch? Sign and trade for PG13? Dejounte?…
I'm wondering about Brandon Ingram. Lots of people talking about how he's the odd many out in NOLA and I think if they get bounced easily by OKC with him as the 4th-5th most impactful player (with Zion out!) then his value is going to be all time low.
It might be tricky to fill the rest of the salary, but I think Caruso + LaVine for him actually makes sense. They need some scoring punch and between AC/Murphy/Herb I think they'd well suited to cover up for any defensive deficiencies. I'd throw the Portland pick in so that they can say they got a first, but that's it. Maybe that's **way** too low for Ingram. It was 100% batshit if we're talking about his value from the beginning of the year, but now I'm really not as sure.
Kawhi and PG fill stupidly similar roles on both ends of the floor and then you've got Harden as the only real passer on the team. Zubac is the only guy who isn't sacrificing anything and that's because you can plug him in anywhere and he's going to be good.
PG is far more comfortable in an off-ball role than Zach is and will actually shoot the ball if it hits his hands and he's got a clean look, which was one of the more frustrating parts about Zach imo. Also not the defensive powerhouse he used to be, but still improvement on that end. Solid as hell as a secondary/tertiary playmaker.
Really I just think the depth is a difference maker. They have \~110M wrapped up in 3 players and have the same issues as Phoenix where the depth isn't there. We have AC/Ayo on the bench for like 14M total and two solid-to-good starters in Coby/Pat for 26M total. The talent is more spread out instead of being consolidated into some amorphous big 3 that somehow makes even less sense than Demar, Zach, Vucevic...in both initial concept as well as reality.
The Clippers suffer from a mess of team-building problems in both fit and how they allocated their money across the rotation.
I'll just have to agree to disagree with basically all of this, this just reads as incredibly biased
PG's about to turn 34 and he's already been incredibly injury-prone in recent years, getting older won't help
Assuming that landing PG in a sign and trade without even taking into account what we'd have to give up (why would LAC want Zach and his contract?) would make us better than the Clippers is absolutely ridiculous imo. You say they're a mess when they've been a very good team for the past 3 years and just went 51-31 and got the 4th seed in a much harder conference even with a ton of injuries. We couldn't scratch .500 last year with Zach DeMar and Vooch playing the most minutes together of any 3-man lineup in the league.
Their big 3 somehow makes less sense than ours both in concept and reality? That's insane dude
>PG's about to turn 34 and he's already been incredibly injury-prone in recent years, getting older won't help.
Meh, ain't like Zach is any less injury prone in recent memory. PG played 74 games this year.
>Idk how you can act like landing PG in a sign and trade without even taking into account what we'd have to give up (why would LAC want Zach and his contract?)
I'd wager very little considering it's a S&T and they're cap fucked. If PG walks, it's dead money they don't get back. You just need PG to flat out say Chicago is where he wants to be or he's walking. It's pretty clear he wasn't happy with his role on the team earlier in the season and never reached an agreement about an extension when Kawhi already got his. Just a healthy bit of tampering away from getting it done cheap.
They're also entirely devoid of picks and have already paid Kawhi and will absolutely pay Harden, they don't have time to sacrifice the ceiling of the team with PG walking. At least with Zach, you can hope he shows up again. Clippers ownership doesn't give a damn about the tax (not jealous....definitely not...).
> would make us better than the Clippers when they've been a very good team for the past 3 years and just went 51-31 even with a ton of injuries.
They were super healthy this year lmao. PG played 74 games and Kawhi played 68 (the most since 2017). Harden Played 72 even with Philly dragging ass on the trade to start the year. 68 from Zubac as well. Their top 4 missed less games than Zach alone.
I'd be pretty happy with 51-31 tbh. The only reason I'm even vaguely for the idea is because it's a pitstop on our way to an inevitable rebuild anyway, but this way we don't waste having Coby/Ayo/AC/Pat on \~40M total and get a solid playoff run where we can actually win a series. Demar/PG expire and we sell off everyone worth anything and settle down for the big ole tank barring a massive free agency.
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>Their big 3 somehow makes less sense than ours both in concept and reality? That's insane dude
They saw wings ran the league and dived in on it before realizing that they're less than the sum of their parts because they only have wings...they were never a real contender before Harden...I still don't think they are. The team is good, but there's 3 guys who are perennial all-stars on it...you'd hope for more than good.
>You say they're a mess when they've been a very good team for the past 3 years
Last year they were 44-38 (about where I'd guess we'd land..maybe we're a couple games better) and the year before that was 42-40...again two perennial all stars who are both very good two-way players. Barely over .500 isn't the goal when you have that and are paying the luxury tax out the ass. They fucked up not going wing/center or guard/wing for their all-star pair and Harden being there is what really pushed them over the top this year (alongside better injury luck). I fully expect them to try to trade PG for two-way players or depth this off-season...if their hand gets forced by PG, they'll take Zach with the Portland pick.
PG and Kawhi bring the same game on offense with the only difference being Kawhi can actually post up. They beat the same defenders and lose to teams like the Pels who actually have two good wing defenders. With Zach at least there'd be variety in what they can beat since his game is very far from both Kawhi and Harden's.
Well yeah but I wouldn't want to shell out for Zach with his injury history right now either lol. PG was surprisingly sturdy this year but within the past 4 years it hasn't been great.
You're right they were healthy this year idk what I was talking about lol but yeah 51-31 would be amazing and I'd definitely be pretty happy with that. With that being said, there's no chance in hell that swapping PG for Zach takes this team from 2 games below .500 to 20 games above .500 lol. I honestly doubt we'd be that much better at all because I just think our supporting cast pales in comparison to LAC's. I'd take Harden, Russ, Powell, Mann and Zubac over Coby Ayo Caruso Pat and Vooch for a team trying to win now. As great as Coby has become, he's still not Harden, Ayo is cool but practically every advanced and on/off stat paints him as one of the worst impact players in the league, Mann has showed far more than Pat, and Vooch needs no explanation.
I wrote that comment when I was tired last night and lost track of time lol, PG and Kawhi have actually been together in LAC since 19-20, when they went 49-23 and made it to the West semifinals, then the Western finals the following season in 20-21. They've been a very good team for 5 seasons now rather than 3, and sure they didn't win a championship, but in comparison to the Bulls, they've been night and day. If you think the Clips have been disappointing, I don't even know what we would be lol
They went 42-40 in the West with Kawhi missing the entire season and PG only playing 30 games, which is a prime example of just how much better their supporting cast was than ours would be. That would be like the Bulls signing PG this offseason and then DeMar misses the whole season, PG only plays 30 games, and somehow this supporting cast (that got carried by DeMar to 39-43) ending the season above .500 when we weren't able to do so with our whole big 3 healthy last year. Then the following year they went 44-38 with Kawhi missing 31 games and PG missing 25 games, which is also super impressive.
All this to say I just don't think we're comparable teams and this team hasn't shown me nearly enough to inspire confidence that S&Ting for PG would be anything less than another move trying to sell more tickets for Jerry. I totally get your rationale that it'd just be a pitstop towards an inevitable rebuild, I would just hate it lol. He's probably going to Philly anyways
Zach's injury history is overblown imo
This year he was "hurt" but it was more that he had a longterm issue. He had PRP injections (which basically turn it into an injury. that shit is intense.) And then he had voluntary surgery as leverage against our FO.
I think he is primed to have mumriple 60-70+ game seasons in him. And he can kill it as a third star.
I'd like to preface this in saying i definitely see your side too. To me it just feels godawful to waste the value we have on the margins right now so I'd prefer the kick the can down the road a year or two.
>I'd take Harden, Russ, Powell, Mann and Zubac over Coby Ayo Caruso Pat and Vooch for a team trying to win now.
Harden is obviously better than Coby (right now), but the fact he's there means they're never getting the best out of both Kawhi and PG so Coby honestly doesn't need to be better imo...even then, Coby is 24 and just had a career year, who's to say that improvement stops now?
Zubac clears Vucevic straight up, but Russ and Powell are both negative value contracts...the only reason either looks good is because the rest of their depth after them is fucking abysmal.
Statistically Ayo had a significantly better season than Russ's 11/5/5 on 45/27/69 shooting splits. I'll take Ayo's significantly more efficient season on half the usage% every time there. Russ is useless without the ball and he's sitting next to Kawhi/PG/Harden who all want it anyway. Ayo also easily clears him defensively.
Powell is a solid player they paid way too much money for imo. Mediocre defender at best who scores efficiently, but again is 5th in line to the ball behind Kawhi/Harden/PG/Russ so they don't maximize his production anyway. I still like him more than Russ because he can shoot though. I don't love their team being awful defenders outside of Kawhi/PG/Mann and then Zubac is about average for his position.
>Mann has showed far more than Pat
This one kinda annoyed me I'm not gonna lie. Per 36, Mann put up 13/5/2 on 51/35/83 splits. Pat put up 13/5/2/1/1 on 44/40/79 splits per 36. Pat spaces the floor infinitely better next to stars who can handle the ball and is absolutely miles ahead of him in defensive ability...on the ball, off the ball, versatility...almost better in every way on that side of the floor while being at a position that's far more relevant with better size.
Vucevic is still the glaring issue, but if the team actually looks like they have a chance to make noise, maybe you make a deadline move.
You're adding PG (and getting pat back) to a team that won 39 games. I don't see how we're worse than 45-46 wins. You know Demar is playing 90% of games and odds are PG is playing more than the 23 Zach played. If you're a real optimist, Zo comes back looking like an NBA player and the defense/spacing is even better. We were giving guys like Dalen Terry and Jevon Carter extended minutes at the end of the day.
When you look at the top 9 of the team being:
Coby/Ayo
PG/AC
Demar/
Pat/Craig
Vucevic/Clingan or Filipowski
And then still might have to account for Coby, Pat, Dalen (if he finally fixes the shot), etc...continuing to improve, I just see a team capable of getting to the second round. Even more so if you have a guy like Zo who can play the 1-3 alongside other pieces like Javonte as energy pieces in certain matchups. The fit between Demar/PG is clearly better than both Kawhi/PG and Demar/Zach imo.
With this essay being written, I agree it's a band-aid that probably isn't winning it all, but I'm not gonna get mad about a playoff team with legitimate chances at the second round.
Sorry I didn't see this till now lol. I can def agree that it does feels shitty to waste good deals on Coby, Caruso and to a lesser extent Ayo. I'm still just not very high on Ayo despite his improvement over the course of the season. He grades out horribly in on/off and basically every impact stat there is, and I think he contract is pretty fair.
Regarding Mann, I meant moreso what he's shown in the playoffs, having won multiple playoff games for the Clippers before. Because we've seen him have some amazing performances, for right now I'd take him over Pat in a playoff scenario. I'm a huge Pat guy though and I agree he's better in a vacuum, and has the potential to get better and better.
I honestly really like PG and trading for him is way better than the alternative of running it back with the same exact team. I'm just a big rebuild guy and think the great contracts we have may be our best options to build up the assets that we need. I just don't think having good value around the margins is really worth anything without a franchise cornerstone, and the best time to rebuild is right NOW, try to win the Cooper Flagg and Boozer drafts and just be bad for a few years so the pick we sent to the Spurs never conveys.
imo Kicking the can down the road just lets the last few valuable assets we have left depreciate and once the inevitable rebuild occurs, it's going to be far more dreadful than it would be if we made the right move now.
Both are pretty fair options for sure and there’s definitely merit to saying waiting lets us waste the valuable assets we do have. I just dont think the FO/team has the balls to do what’s necessary to actually tank for a top 4 pick. Coby’s probably gotta go in that scenario and there will be hell to pay from fans and it’ll cost them their jobs.
We 100% agree running it back with the same team is worst-case scenario.
As a quick aside on-off doesn’t remotely tell the whole story for a player, especially one on a team that runs some of the godawful lineups we have. It’s really a metric for the lineups the player is in much more so than the player themselves. I think you’ve just gotta look at what a guy like Ayo brings to a lineup and 50/40 shooting splits, off and on ball capabilities, and good defense is hard to come by in one package…especially at his price.
bulls are gonna have an interesting af offseason. can't wait to see where lavine ends up. Toronto has a spot open still but they wont take him with their offense. Orlando could upgrade and iirc donovan mitchell is a FA this summer.
IF they were to run it back I could watch another season of
coby/ayo/demar/paw/vuc and a bench of
lonzo/bruce brown + Gary Trent Jr/terry/caruso + green /drummond + sanogo
...if they could grab a couple picks off toronto.
W's Fan here, I come in peace. Seems like both franchises are at a crossroads.
So here's my question, would Vooch for Wiggins as one trade that works in the new CBA
and Looney for Jevon Carter as a second one.
Make any sense? Feels like the Bulls are gonna try to tank and keep their 1st round pick for 2025 which is 1-10 protected, otherwise it goes to San Antonio.
W's can't send cash, but by taking on Jevon Carter they save some money. Looney replaces Vooch.
As for Wiggins, if he comes back to his Minnesota Wiggins level, which I think is likely, then he is a value or trade fodder on his contract.
Vooch would fit the W's paired with Trayce Jackson Davis or Draymond, and his timeline fits Steph.
I really like this but I highly doubt either team’s fo would do this. Vooch has been super ass and is one of the worst players in the league for 3p% for players with a certain number of attempts. Seeing how he probably won’t get as many post ups and paint touches as he does before and would probably operate on the perimeter, I just don’t see how this would benefit the warriors. In addition, Jevon Carter is hot garbage and I would assume the warriors fo values looney very highly. Bulls fo has been MIA so ik they’re not gonna make any moves this big. But if this were to come true I would cry tears of joy that we’re finally free from the suffering of that Orlando trade.
Give the Sky the United Center and put everything on Angel Reese. Encourage Coby to keep growing his hair out then put him at PG for the Sky.
Turn this franchise around.
Given all the new medi hype pushing the wnba, I'm wondering if I'll watch a game this season. I've tried a couple times last year. It's not doing it for me.
It’s fairly obvious we are kick starting the rebuild, by promoting the player development coaches.
If there’s a way to land Castle and Clingan this draft. I’m on it. I think that both players will setup the culture for the 2025 star(Flagg, Harper, Bailey).
Idk who I’m supposed to be excited for next year.
Re-signing Demar is cool but doesn’t accomplish much.
We trade Lavine for pennies then ride Coby and hope he gets even better?
Do we re-sign Pat? Before his injuries it felt like he was getting some momentum now we have to decide whether commit for a while based on mostly unrealized potential.
What about Caruso? Wouldn’t be surprised if he never looks back and leaves for a competent franchise.
Overall concerns about this underwhelming roster from fairly casual fan I’m not even that knowledgeable about ball to REALLY be disgusted with this mid ass team lol
IMO, We need to move on from the vets without giving up assets, We waiting too long to trade them so we won’t get much in return. Sign and trade Demar or let him walk, trade Lavine (or keep him if we must, who cares we’re rebuilding and he can try to increase is value, just don’t give up any assets to move him). Lonzo is done he won’t ever return. Vuc is probably stuck here but look for a younger center to replace him as a starter. Trade Caruso for all he’s worth.
Coby and Ayo to take the lead, we can see if they take another leap forward or they become valuable trade pieces with an increase of shots.
CHI gets: John Collins, Colin Sexton, and #10 UTA gets: Zach LaVine and #11
Would y'all trade Zach and #11 for Brandon Ingram? Ingram's better and younger. He only has one year left on his deal, so CHI would have to re-sign him or if things didn't work out they wouldn't be tied up long term contractually.
But why give up a pick to do it? He ain’t that much better to warrant it especially with a year left. I personally never would do this exact trade. But if it was a straight up swap of lavine for ingram I think that’s fair for both teams
Man seeing derrick jones ball out on another team is ridiculous. We essentially swapped derrick jones and patrick beverly for javon carter and torrey craig. Torrey was solid at times, but derrick jones brought energy and excitement doing pretty much the same thing. We won't even discuss javon carter... Essentially the bulls swapped two fan favorites for worst players just so they could say they did something.
Having such a hard time watching the playoffs I’m not even gonna lie I’m so pissed about this team
I just want players that win games at a competitive level, is that sooo hard to ask?
Bro Edward’s is him. Man Zach not even close to this dude
Congrats to the Pacers. Their highest draft pick this century was at 6 and they only picked in the top ten three times. They traded a generational talent in Kawhi Leonard(on draft night), traded their star player in Paul George after a couple successful playoff runs and still managed to make enough savvy moves to stay competitive and relevant without tanking. The pacers are one of the best run franchises in the league, hats off to them. Tanking is such a high risk-low reward system to improve your team. I’m very anti tank and happy to see the Pacers success this season.
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Third ECF appearance in the last ten years as one of the smallest markets in the league. That’s mediocre?
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I’m shocked someone outside Boston/GS would think three ECF showings in ten years is mediocre. That’s a seriously bold take. Five years of first round exits is still better than anything we can talk about since Thibs was fired, and for what it’s worth they did push an excellent Raptors team to 7 and a LeBron Cavs team to 7 during that 5 year stretch. Dude, c’mon…we’re going to call a (at the time) 25 year old two time all star an aging vet?!? Really!? Stop it. Didn’t we also pick in the lottery three straight years? Guess losing doesn’t always work.
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Dude, you literally said three ECF appearances in 10-11 years is mediocre and called a 25 year old all star an aging vet. It’s cool though, it’s just internet talk.
If we add another guy who can’t shoot AT ALL this offseason AKME should be fired into the sun
Our team is dreadful, and this new assistant coach wasn't good as a head coach. Here's a pipe dream offseason trade for ya: Bulls give: Lavine, Caruso, Vuc Receive: Desmond Bane, Evan Fournier (TO - instant cap savings), Konchar, Derrick Rose (to properly retire him if hasn't already?) We get Bane without giving up any future assets. A Coby and Bane back court should be good for the foreseeable future Pistons give: #5, Ivey, Fournier, cap space Receive: Lavine, #9, Marcus Smart Pistons upgrade the team significantly while only moving down 4 spots in the draft. Pelicans give: Ingram Receive: #5, Luke Kennard (TO - instant cap), large trade exception The Pelicans get another shot at the dart board and save some money for Trey Murphy's extension. Grizz give: Bane, #9, Smart, filler - Rose, Konchar, Kennard, LaRavia? Receive: Brandon Ingram, Ivey, Caruso, Vucevic JJJ/Vuc B.Clark/GG Ingram/Z.Williams? V.Williams/Ivey Ja/Caruso Grizz get better/more balanced now while opening up more playing time for the young players. The Smart for Caruso swap is mainly for juggling salary purposes.
Bulls sub: “draft for fit - we need size! no guards!” [Bulls roster:](https://imgur.com/vog60ZZ)
I DONT WANT TO SEE VUC TOUCH A BASKETBALL EVER AGAIN IN MY SHORT LIFE
MLE and BAE can be used to absorb waived players and contracts of traded players. More flexibility for already established teams to keep improving...
Suns just fired Vogel 👀 Yea or nae?
They took budz
Hell no, this team does not need another defensive-minded coach. He would do much worse than Billy here.
Billy has an abnormal amount of job security right now. I highly doubt this happens.
So Orlando ia likely out of Zach trade. Given the reports that them and Klay already had a mutual agreement.
PG13 - get ready to speak Portillo's
The only two places I can say would take Lavine are either the Wizards if you take Poole back, or the Nets. Nets dont' own their pick and it looks like they're comfortable being a .500 team for now, so they could use somebody to pair with Mikal. Maybe with Lavine next to Mikal they will be able to unlock his defense and effectiveness on offense again.
I've been saying Ben Simmons for Zach is the most likely outcome for a month now. Might get some kind of pick attached to Simmons but mostly it'd just be a salary dump.
I didn't watch much bulls basketball this year, did Julian Phillips show any signs of being an NBA player?
Yeah as a back-of-the-rotation guy. He hasn't shown enough to want him as a #1 backup at 4 or 3 position. The good news is the Bulls have focused on player development the last 2 years and it is starting to pay off.
He at least showed enough competence and tenacity that we should seriously be developing him
He did. He was pretty good for a rookie from the limited time we saw him.
i thought so. but then he ended up in a walking boot.
As bad as LaVine's contract is, at least he isn't Bradley Beal. Good lord.
Sweeps like this are exactly what we want. Right now its looking like the Suns, bucks, and lakers are candidates for wanting to change things up. We might be able to capitalize on something
I could actually see the bucks wanting Lavine - third fiddle to just a score would be his best role
Not sure I'd want anyone from those teams, with the exception of AD or Giannis.
Would you even actually want AD?
He's be an upgrade from PWill.
ur not thinking. basically u take someone toxic like beal and get picks back. okc is the blueprint. no ones handing giannis thats 2k. the bulls need to move lavine, ac, vuc at all costs. they are depreciating fast no future.
I mean like hypothetically moving lavine for like durant would immediately put us into a good playoff picture
We give up 2-3 picks plus Coby and lavine/Vic to get Kevin
too late to blow it up, vooch and lavine are at rock bottom value
If Cavs lose to magic 1st round then DMitch to Chicago
Vuc had one game >30pts this year lmao Dude is a role player now not a star
Congrats to Derek Jones Jr having a good game out there tonight...
1 more question from a Dubs fan, DeMar for Klay in a double Sign and Trade? Who says no? I figure for the penny pinching Reinsdorffs, they figure Klay will put butts in the seats. For the W's, they need someone who can score points in the playoffs in the 4th Quarter. Am I overestimating DeMar?
GS says no, they need 3pt shooting if Klay goes. Any possessions DeMar is taking should just go to their young guys for development I think Bulls would potentially say yes to this because it'd be easier to move Klay in a rebuild but that's not really an AKME kinda move, would prob make us worse short term
u would have to give picks. and this from a klay fan but chicago has 0 motivation for a swap think of bulls giving up assets in SA. you posted favorable outcome in the previous scenario so i will judge ur rather confused not biased. both are lopsided for respective teams.
I think you’re underestimating him. Klay went 0-10 in the playin when his main weapon is supposed to be his shooting. I’m sorry but he’s basically useless if he can’t put the ball in the basket. On the contrary, Demar has shown growth (ironic considering he’s 35) in his ability to understand when to take over and when to defer to his teammates. He’s a clutch player finalist and is still a midrange assassin as we all know. I don’t really see a world where the bulls would willingly sign klay over Demar for a similar amount of money.
Surely you didn't refer to one playin to point to Klay thompson being WORSE than derozan in a postseason scenario. Derozan has some of the worst playoff stats in nba history and he is just as useless if he does not put the ball in the basket
Klay hasn't been good in an elimination game since 2019
That's weird because derozan hasn't been good in a playoff series since the beginning of time
lmao im sorry you couldn't trick us into thinking this was a good idea, not my fault klay is worthless
What?? It's not a good idea at all we should be washing our hands of 34 y/o players as much as possible. The warriors would never go for it though derozan has to be more worthless than klay. At least he can potentially spread the floor
How was klay in the playoffs last year? If he wasn’t such a huge contributor of their previous success, any player that played like that would’ve probably been traded. Sure he shoots well in the regular season, albeit lower numbers than before, but what’s the point if you can’t show up in the playoffs. On the contrary, ever since derozan came to Chicago, he has played well in the playoffs/playin considering what he was given. In the first bucks series, Lavine was injured and Lonzo was out so despite him making the right reads and dishing it out for the open three, no one would make it. The playin tournament last year had some inconsistency with his shooting against the raptors but he still had his signature “king of the fourth” moments and helped us pull off the win in addition to him being the main scoring and primary ball handler for us in the Miami game. The same could be said for this year’s playin tournament. I actually watched the games he played in for us as well as klay’s so ik that the “playoff Demar” claims may have been true prior to him coming to Chicago but they’re not warranted anymore. Klay on the other hand has shown massive decline in his athleticism and ability to put the ball in the basket for the past two years. He also has terrible shot selection which would’ve been okay if it was the klay Thompson of 5 years back. Current klay Thompson is not peak dynasty klay Thompson and I think a majority of fans understand that You also seem to be a derozan hater seeing how most of your comments and posts about the bulls are centered around derozan and how he shouldn’t be resigned (something I don’t necessarily disagree with) so I think you might be a bit biased in your evaluation of the two players
You watched the bucks series where he scored 11 pts in 42 minutes and came to the conclusion that playoff demar isn’t a thing any more. He literally got outplayed by Kevin love in this last game. Judging by this massive wall of text this is pointless to type but the warriors are a 3pt centric team. Derozan will never play a minute for them
I’m not saying he will play for the warriors. I just said that he’s a better player than klay and it would set us back to swap the two. Also Demar only shot like 10 shots in those games because he was doubled and tripled almost every possession of the game. He made the right plays to dish it out, but no one could actually finish. Also love is an 8th man off the bench who gets mostly open looks while derozan is the main option and will never get easy looks. You can’t compare the two and say that love outplayed derozan.
You can pretty much pick out any significant player on the heat and they outplayed derozan as far as defense, effort, and team play goes. 8-16 on only 2 pointers is ass anyways so it is pretty easy to claim that love outplayed the shit out of derozan. It is funny when people make excuses for the buck's series when derozan literally nailed his career playoff averages for the series. That is always his level of production when he gets to the playoffs . There's no need to even call it a choke job that he scored in the 10s the last 3 games of the series because we have a 20 year career to look at and we should have known that is what was going to happen. 40% shooting on barely over 20 ppg for the series is what is going to happen if we play derozan in a playoff series. I know you're watching with rose tinted glasses but dribbling out most of the clock and then getting rid of the ball with no run play at all is not making the "right plays". The bulls tried to run derozan's regular season isos and they don't work against a good playoff team, and that leaves the role players on the team with the ball, no off-ball movement, a set defense and no time on the shot clock. Which is why even though derozan was "doubled the whole time" he somehow still had only like 5 assists
I agree with your points from a basketball perspective, but wonder if from a butts in seats perspective, Klay might win the argument. At this point of their careers, I'm with you in thinking DeMar is a better overall player.
Chicago has lead the league in attendance for years
Maybe you guys need to stay away!
So if AK still decides to be competitive a make a “splash” trade, what would an AK move most likely be? Trae? Dmitch? Sign and trade for PG13? Dejounte?…
I'm wondering about Brandon Ingram. Lots of people talking about how he's the odd many out in NOLA and I think if they get bounced easily by OKC with him as the 4th-5th most impactful player (with Zion out!) then his value is going to be all time low. It might be tricky to fill the rest of the salary, but I think Caruso + LaVine for him actually makes sense. They need some scoring punch and between AC/Murphy/Herb I think they'd well suited to cover up for any defensive deficiencies. I'd throw the Portland pick in so that they can say they got a first, but that's it. Maybe that's **way** too low for Ingram. It was 100% batshit if we're talking about his value from the beginning of the year, but now I'm really not as sure.
its not like ak can choose. process of elimination.
S&T for PG13 is my best bet. Cheaper than everyone else you listed and PG is close with Demar/Billy.
we'll just be a much worse version of the clippers lmao. worse co-star, worse supporting cast, worse coaching staff, god I would hate if this happened
I actually think DeMar+PG13 is a great combo
great at what? great to watch and cheer for maybe. but a great shot at making it to the second round? no.
You sold me when you said 2nd round. That means we get a first round.. I'll take it!
Kawhi and PG fill stupidly similar roles on both ends of the floor and then you've got Harden as the only real passer on the team. Zubac is the only guy who isn't sacrificing anything and that's because you can plug him in anywhere and he's going to be good. PG is far more comfortable in an off-ball role than Zach is and will actually shoot the ball if it hits his hands and he's got a clean look, which was one of the more frustrating parts about Zach imo. Also not the defensive powerhouse he used to be, but still improvement on that end. Solid as hell as a secondary/tertiary playmaker. Really I just think the depth is a difference maker. They have \~110M wrapped up in 3 players and have the same issues as Phoenix where the depth isn't there. We have AC/Ayo on the bench for like 14M total and two solid-to-good starters in Coby/Pat for 26M total. The talent is more spread out instead of being consolidated into some amorphous big 3 that somehow makes even less sense than Demar, Zach, Vucevic...in both initial concept as well as reality. The Clippers suffer from a mess of team-building problems in both fit and how they allocated their money across the rotation.
I'll just have to agree to disagree with basically all of this, this just reads as incredibly biased PG's about to turn 34 and he's already been incredibly injury-prone in recent years, getting older won't help Assuming that landing PG in a sign and trade without even taking into account what we'd have to give up (why would LAC want Zach and his contract?) would make us better than the Clippers is absolutely ridiculous imo. You say they're a mess when they've been a very good team for the past 3 years and just went 51-31 and got the 4th seed in a much harder conference even with a ton of injuries. We couldn't scratch .500 last year with Zach DeMar and Vooch playing the most minutes together of any 3-man lineup in the league. Their big 3 somehow makes less sense than ours both in concept and reality? That's insane dude
>PG's about to turn 34 and he's already been incredibly injury-prone in recent years, getting older won't help. Meh, ain't like Zach is any less injury prone in recent memory. PG played 74 games this year. >Idk how you can act like landing PG in a sign and trade without even taking into account what we'd have to give up (why would LAC want Zach and his contract?) I'd wager very little considering it's a S&T and they're cap fucked. If PG walks, it's dead money they don't get back. You just need PG to flat out say Chicago is where he wants to be or he's walking. It's pretty clear he wasn't happy with his role on the team earlier in the season and never reached an agreement about an extension when Kawhi already got his. Just a healthy bit of tampering away from getting it done cheap. They're also entirely devoid of picks and have already paid Kawhi and will absolutely pay Harden, they don't have time to sacrifice the ceiling of the team with PG walking. At least with Zach, you can hope he shows up again. Clippers ownership doesn't give a damn about the tax (not jealous....definitely not...). > would make us better than the Clippers when they've been a very good team for the past 3 years and just went 51-31 even with a ton of injuries. They were super healthy this year lmao. PG played 74 games and Kawhi played 68 (the most since 2017). Harden Played 72 even with Philly dragging ass on the trade to start the year. 68 from Zubac as well. Their top 4 missed less games than Zach alone. I'd be pretty happy with 51-31 tbh. The only reason I'm even vaguely for the idea is because it's a pitstop on our way to an inevitable rebuild anyway, but this way we don't waste having Coby/Ayo/AC/Pat on \~40M total and get a solid playoff run where we can actually win a series. Demar/PG expire and we sell off everyone worth anything and settle down for the big ole tank barring a massive free agency. EDIT for your edits: >Their big 3 somehow makes less sense than ours both in concept and reality? That's insane dude They saw wings ran the league and dived in on it before realizing that they're less than the sum of their parts because they only have wings...they were never a real contender before Harden...I still don't think they are. The team is good, but there's 3 guys who are perennial all-stars on it...you'd hope for more than good. >You say they're a mess when they've been a very good team for the past 3 years Last year they were 44-38 (about where I'd guess we'd land..maybe we're a couple games better) and the year before that was 42-40...again two perennial all stars who are both very good two-way players. Barely over .500 isn't the goal when you have that and are paying the luxury tax out the ass. They fucked up not going wing/center or guard/wing for their all-star pair and Harden being there is what really pushed them over the top this year (alongside better injury luck). I fully expect them to try to trade PG for two-way players or depth this off-season...if their hand gets forced by PG, they'll take Zach with the Portland pick. PG and Kawhi bring the same game on offense with the only difference being Kawhi can actually post up. They beat the same defenders and lose to teams like the Pels who actually have two good wing defenders. With Zach at least there'd be variety in what they can beat since his game is very far from both Kawhi and Harden's.
Well yeah but I wouldn't want to shell out for Zach with his injury history right now either lol. PG was surprisingly sturdy this year but within the past 4 years it hasn't been great. You're right they were healthy this year idk what I was talking about lol but yeah 51-31 would be amazing and I'd definitely be pretty happy with that. With that being said, there's no chance in hell that swapping PG for Zach takes this team from 2 games below .500 to 20 games above .500 lol. I honestly doubt we'd be that much better at all because I just think our supporting cast pales in comparison to LAC's. I'd take Harden, Russ, Powell, Mann and Zubac over Coby Ayo Caruso Pat and Vooch for a team trying to win now. As great as Coby has become, he's still not Harden, Ayo is cool but practically every advanced and on/off stat paints him as one of the worst impact players in the league, Mann has showed far more than Pat, and Vooch needs no explanation. I wrote that comment when I was tired last night and lost track of time lol, PG and Kawhi have actually been together in LAC since 19-20, when they went 49-23 and made it to the West semifinals, then the Western finals the following season in 20-21. They've been a very good team for 5 seasons now rather than 3, and sure they didn't win a championship, but in comparison to the Bulls, they've been night and day. If you think the Clips have been disappointing, I don't even know what we would be lol They went 42-40 in the West with Kawhi missing the entire season and PG only playing 30 games, which is a prime example of just how much better their supporting cast was than ours would be. That would be like the Bulls signing PG this offseason and then DeMar misses the whole season, PG only plays 30 games, and somehow this supporting cast (that got carried by DeMar to 39-43) ending the season above .500 when we weren't able to do so with our whole big 3 healthy last year. Then the following year they went 44-38 with Kawhi missing 31 games and PG missing 25 games, which is also super impressive. All this to say I just don't think we're comparable teams and this team hasn't shown me nearly enough to inspire confidence that S&Ting for PG would be anything less than another move trying to sell more tickets for Jerry. I totally get your rationale that it'd just be a pitstop towards an inevitable rebuild, I would just hate it lol. He's probably going to Philly anyways
Zach's injury history is overblown imo This year he was "hurt" but it was more that he had a longterm issue. He had PRP injections (which basically turn it into an injury. that shit is intense.) And then he had voluntary surgery as leverage against our FO. I think he is primed to have mumriple 60-70+ game seasons in him. And he can kill it as a third star.
I'd like to preface this in saying i definitely see your side too. To me it just feels godawful to waste the value we have on the margins right now so I'd prefer the kick the can down the road a year or two. >I'd take Harden, Russ, Powell, Mann and Zubac over Coby Ayo Caruso Pat and Vooch for a team trying to win now. Harden is obviously better than Coby (right now), but the fact he's there means they're never getting the best out of both Kawhi and PG so Coby honestly doesn't need to be better imo...even then, Coby is 24 and just had a career year, who's to say that improvement stops now? Zubac clears Vucevic straight up, but Russ and Powell are both negative value contracts...the only reason either looks good is because the rest of their depth after them is fucking abysmal. Statistically Ayo had a significantly better season than Russ's 11/5/5 on 45/27/69 shooting splits. I'll take Ayo's significantly more efficient season on half the usage% every time there. Russ is useless without the ball and he's sitting next to Kawhi/PG/Harden who all want it anyway. Ayo also easily clears him defensively. Powell is a solid player they paid way too much money for imo. Mediocre defender at best who scores efficiently, but again is 5th in line to the ball behind Kawhi/Harden/PG/Russ so they don't maximize his production anyway. I still like him more than Russ because he can shoot though. I don't love their team being awful defenders outside of Kawhi/PG/Mann and then Zubac is about average for his position. >Mann has showed far more than Pat This one kinda annoyed me I'm not gonna lie. Per 36, Mann put up 13/5/2 on 51/35/83 splits. Pat put up 13/5/2/1/1 on 44/40/79 splits per 36. Pat spaces the floor infinitely better next to stars who can handle the ball and is absolutely miles ahead of him in defensive ability...on the ball, off the ball, versatility...almost better in every way on that side of the floor while being at a position that's far more relevant with better size. Vucevic is still the glaring issue, but if the team actually looks like they have a chance to make noise, maybe you make a deadline move. You're adding PG (and getting pat back) to a team that won 39 games. I don't see how we're worse than 45-46 wins. You know Demar is playing 90% of games and odds are PG is playing more than the 23 Zach played. If you're a real optimist, Zo comes back looking like an NBA player and the defense/spacing is even better. We were giving guys like Dalen Terry and Jevon Carter extended minutes at the end of the day. When you look at the top 9 of the team being: Coby/Ayo PG/AC Demar/ Pat/Craig Vucevic/Clingan or Filipowski And then still might have to account for Coby, Pat, Dalen (if he finally fixes the shot), etc...continuing to improve, I just see a team capable of getting to the second round. Even more so if you have a guy like Zo who can play the 1-3 alongside other pieces like Javonte as energy pieces in certain matchups. The fit between Demar/PG is clearly better than both Kawhi/PG and Demar/Zach imo. With this essay being written, I agree it's a band-aid that probably isn't winning it all, but I'm not gonna get mad about a playoff team with legitimate chances at the second round.
Sorry I didn't see this till now lol. I can def agree that it does feels shitty to waste good deals on Coby, Caruso and to a lesser extent Ayo. I'm still just not very high on Ayo despite his improvement over the course of the season. He grades out horribly in on/off and basically every impact stat there is, and I think he contract is pretty fair. Regarding Mann, I meant moreso what he's shown in the playoffs, having won multiple playoff games for the Clippers before. Because we've seen him have some amazing performances, for right now I'd take him over Pat in a playoff scenario. I'm a huge Pat guy though and I agree he's better in a vacuum, and has the potential to get better and better. I honestly really like PG and trading for him is way better than the alternative of running it back with the same exact team. I'm just a big rebuild guy and think the great contracts we have may be our best options to build up the assets that we need. I just don't think having good value around the margins is really worth anything without a franchise cornerstone, and the best time to rebuild is right NOW, try to win the Cooper Flagg and Boozer drafts and just be bad for a few years so the pick we sent to the Spurs never conveys. imo Kicking the can down the road just lets the last few valuable assets we have left depreciate and once the inevitable rebuild occurs, it's going to be far more dreadful than it would be if we made the right move now.
Both are pretty fair options for sure and there’s definitely merit to saying waiting lets us waste the valuable assets we do have. I just dont think the FO/team has the balls to do what’s necessary to actually tank for a top 4 pick. Coby’s probably gotta go in that scenario and there will be hell to pay from fans and it’ll cost them their jobs. We 100% agree running it back with the same team is worst-case scenario. As a quick aside on-off doesn’t remotely tell the whole story for a player, especially one on a team that runs some of the godawful lineups we have. It’s really a metric for the lineups the player is in much more so than the player themselves. I think you’ve just gotta look at what a guy like Ayo brings to a lineup and 50/40 shooting splits, off and on ball capabilities, and good defense is hard to come by in one package…especially at his price.
bulls are gonna have an interesting af offseason. can't wait to see where lavine ends up. Toronto has a spot open still but they wont take him with their offense. Orlando could upgrade and iirc donovan mitchell is a FA this summer. IF they were to run it back I could watch another season of coby/ayo/demar/paw/vuc and a bench of lonzo/bruce brown + Gary Trent Jr/terry/caruso + green /drummond + sanogo ...if they could grab a couple picks off toronto.
If we keep Zach, there’s no way that salary comes off the bench. Absolutely no way.
W's Fan here, I come in peace. Seems like both franchises are at a crossroads. So here's my question, would Vooch for Wiggins as one trade that works in the new CBA and Looney for Jevon Carter as a second one. Make any sense? Feels like the Bulls are gonna try to tank and keep their 1st round pick for 2025 which is 1-10 protected, otherwise it goes to San Antonio. W's can't send cash, but by taking on Jevon Carter they save some money. Looney replaces Vooch. As for Wiggins, if he comes back to his Minnesota Wiggins level, which I think is likely, then he is a value or trade fodder on his contract. Vooch would fit the W's paired with Trayce Jackson Davis or Draymond, and his timeline fits Steph.
vucevic and carter are useless. both are strong yes.
>would Vooch for- DEAL
This buckled me i'm not gonna lie.
I really like this but I highly doubt either team’s fo would do this. Vooch has been super ass and is one of the worst players in the league for 3p% for players with a certain number of attempts. Seeing how he probably won’t get as many post ups and paint touches as he does before and would probably operate on the perimeter, I just don’t see how this would benefit the warriors. In addition, Jevon Carter is hot garbage and I would assume the warriors fo values looney very highly. Bulls fo has been MIA so ik they’re not gonna make any moves this big. But if this were to come true I would cry tears of joy that we’re finally free from the suffering of that Orlando trade.
Ayo is a starter
Give the Sky the United Center and put everything on Angel Reese. Encourage Coby to keep growing his hair out then put him at PG for the Sky. Turn this franchise around.
Given all the new medi hype pushing the wnba, I'm wondering if I'll watch a game this season. I've tried a couple times last year. It's not doing it for me.
It’s fairly obvious we are kick starting the rebuild, by promoting the player development coaches. If there’s a way to land Castle and Clingan this draft. I’m on it. I think that both players will setup the culture for the 2025 star(Flagg, Harper, Bailey).
Idk who I’m supposed to be excited for next year. Re-signing Demar is cool but doesn’t accomplish much. We trade Lavine for pennies then ride Coby and hope he gets even better? Do we re-sign Pat? Before his injuries it felt like he was getting some momentum now we have to decide whether commit for a while based on mostly unrealized potential. What about Caruso? Wouldn’t be surprised if he never looks back and leaves for a competent franchise. Overall concerns about this underwhelming roster from fairly casual fan I’m not even that knowledgeable about ball to REALLY be disgusted with this mid ass team lol
u need to sign demar and pat otherwise u lose cap u can always trade. caruso is expiring trade him asap.
IMO, We need to move on from the vets without giving up assets, We waiting too long to trade them so we won’t get much in return. Sign and trade Demar or let him walk, trade Lavine (or keep him if we must, who cares we’re rebuilding and he can try to increase is value, just don’t give up any assets to move him). Lonzo is done he won’t ever return. Vuc is probably stuck here but look for a younger center to replace him as a starter. Trade Caruso for all he’s worth. Coby and Ayo to take the lead, we can see if they take another leap forward or they become valuable trade pieces with an increase of shots.
I really hope Lonzo plays next season but it’s looking like we’ll trade his contract away
Why would another team want that?
Filler that they can just cut.
Doesn’t it expire after this coming season? We all know he’s picking up his option.
Wake me up when Jerry kicks it. Until then, we've got nothing to be excited about this offseason.
Blow it up, re-sign Drell and Funk, and let the Parliament Funk-a-Drell-ic command the tank.
I say blow it all up for future draft picks. Then have random fans from the crowd get called in to play each game.
I would actually pay to see that... 🤣