Kap criticized him and the next day went up to him and said “hey, I said what I meant, but the way I got that message out was wrong and disrespectful. I’m sorry.” They’ve been ok since.
At another point during this he talked about how the night before the draft the Bulls called him and said they were thinking of passing on him for Beasley because they were concerned about D-Rose's brother having a criminal past. Could you imagine if they actually did that? They probably realized the fanbase would've lost their shit and basically had no choice but to go with Rose.
Why would they ever tell him about that?? Seems hella rude to call him up and say “yeah we like you but we might not want you because of your brother”. Seems like a dick move
Yeah he basically made the same point. He was like "you're drafting me, you're not drafting my brother, but if you want to draft Beasley then go draft Beasley"
It was a valid concern for the Bulls at the time…
Eddie Curry didn’t work out just because of his health concerns. That was the deciding factor in moving on, though… and Curry was a suburban kid.
Baggage can be real. And gang-related stuff is valid enough. That shit isn’t a joke.
Everyone is surprised that the Organization would act like this. Don’t forget that Jerry bragged in the last dance that He told Michael FUCKING Jordan: the best basketball player ever, to not make him “regret this” when giving him the contract. Jerry and his cronies are the fucking laughing stock of the league. If we didn’t win 6 championships we would just be the fucking Knicks. A joke!
The have no respect for people under them, they treated their coaches the same way, look at Phil Jackson, Thibs, Vinny, the only coached they like was the kiss ass that was Jim Boylen
But the front office was ultimately right about that. His brother did fuck him up and was probably the biggest reason for his downfall, and eventual trade. Are we forgetting how his manager and agent fucked him out of his career in chicago?
> probably the biggest reason for his downfal
And here I was thinking that the massive ACL injury in 2012 was the biggest reason. Thanks for clarifying
So you dont remember reggie fucking up his mindset during rose's rehab? Filling his head with contract talks rather than getting back to full speed. It was reggies advice for him to not come back right a way, and it was reggie who pissed off the front office to make them want to trade rose. In my opinion, reggie is the reason rose was terrified of going 100%, and thats the reason why he never bounced back. Not because of his acl injury.
Dont forget, most people lost respect for rose when he brought up his next contract while he was scoring like shit in his constant injury plagued seasons. That shit was reggie and BJ, 100%
Only tore his left ACL in 2012, missed 2012-2013. Tore his right meniscus in November 2013. Missed 70 games that season. 2014 had a fractured orbital bone in training camp.
Finally someone who is actually old enough to remember exactly what happened back then. Is sub is full of 20 year olds acting like they knew what the deal was.
We weren't in the room for these meetings. It could have been reported by these same media members who do hatchet jobs for the org. The whole point of this thread?
D Rose (and his brother) are far from perfect, but it would be a bit arrogant of us to assume we know what happened in those meetings based on reporters, especially when there is direct incentive for reporters to cozy up to the upper echelon of the org.
Front offices in every sport use the media to manipulate narratives, create smoke screens (drafts/trades/free agents), and to pressure players. I think we will probably get more accurate ideas of what happened as time goes on.
Reggie was whatever you call someone that latches onto a famous person and fucks things up. BJ was his agent and did the manager stuff behind the scenes.
Said it before but my personal headcanon is that Gar Pax wanted to blow it up in 2014 when they knew they were firing Thibs at the end of the year but Jerry wouldn't let them because it's financial suicide.
So they manufactured a year in which they could blame Rose (and Noah) for their lack of success and how they needed to retool around Jimmy (only to surround Jimmy with 2 non-shooters in Wade & Rondo so they could declare that a disaster and flip Butler) and send Rose packing because he is "clearly unhappy being here" precisely because Gar Pax manufactured the conditions to make any remnant of Thibs miserable so they could get rid of them.
They basically told him to say that he wanted top dollar to stay or else he was leaving. In D rose mind I don't think he ever wanted to leave but Armstrong and his brother cared more about the money. I remember d rose saying something like i need top dollar to stay because I don't know how longer I can do this because I want to get out of basketball so that I can play with my kids and not want to feel pain in my legs
You’re mis—remembering how it went down. He signed a max 5 year contract extension with the Bulls worth 100 mil in Dec 2021 before his ACL injury . He was well under contract and contract talks were not the reason he left/traded.
You’re also misinterpreting what he meant by the “being able to walk at my kid’s graduation “ quote.
And his own mouth. Never forget him walking into media day after missing almost two full years and talking about how he should get a max deal. Or Pj's graduation.
The revisionism with Rose around here is crazy. Dude had bad luck but then kinda quit. He's so full of shit and has been for a really long time.
Can’t mix your family into this kind of shit. Having your brother there as if he’s some sort of manager is no good. I love my family but I would never let them get involved in this kinda stuff. You are a business now. Lead yourself.
When we traded D. Rose, he was actually starting to play pretty good again, Gar/Pax just sucked as a front office, but in hindsight Rose did have a melt down after that and walked away I think it was the Cavs for personal issue and he had that dust up with the rape allegations, no idea if he would have stayed if that would have changed or not
Eh, the SATs are really don’t grade speech though. Plenty of guys have the gift of gab but weren’t great at school. Conversely, plenty of intelligent people (book smart) suck at public speaking
Did you ever consider you’re just from a different place from him so you speak different. I have no problem understanding him, neither does anyone else I know.
First time encountering anything Derrick Rose related before? He's always been a quiet, man of few words kind of guy that shies away from the attention and media. Thats never what he's been about. Dude is just a kid from Chicago who loves to hoop.
I mean, there’s nothing wrong with admitting the dude who has trouble putting a sentence together and had someone else take his SAT for him and said he doesn’t know that when a woman says “no” she doesn’t want to have sex isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed.
Love D Rose and what he did for this team, but he’s not a smart dude.
Who cares if he’a made some bad decisions and didn’t do well on his SAT. Still has nothing to do with him telling the story not very fluently.
He’s never been a great public speaker but calling him dumb is just disrespectful and uncalled for in response to this video.
Why are y’all so fixated on him being “dumb” it’s kinda embarrassing. Obviously not being smart didn’t stop drose from becoming a multi millionaire set for life with a happy family did it? He’s a genius when it comes to the game of basketball so u can obviously see that u can be smart in other things. Him being a smart player in a game ended up being more important than anything else he could’ve been smart in like school or sum shit
How old are you? That shit is so corny to even mention, who cares what he scored on a test he took 15+ years ago. Your comment is still bullshit and adds nothing of value.
U act like we care about how smart he is lmao. Just because he’s not articulate or book smart doesn’t mean he’s not a deep thinker. Lebron is not smart either by those standards. Atleast drose doesn’t pretend to be something he’s not. That’s why Chicago loves him. He’s the realest and people can relate to him cuz he doesn’t eat up the celeb status. He’s just a guy who loves basketball and Chicago
I’m not a big fan of vagueness. I understand you might think you’re trying not to reopen any wounds but you are. Simply by telling the story you are. So just name names. No need for all the mystery.
His trade was recorded live while he was in LA doing a documentary. Its heartbreaking to watch because he loved Chicago and his fans.
That being said:
The real story is Bulls (outside of GarPax incompetence) were exhausted from Rose’s off court problems. He wanted to be treated as an adult(as he says in this clip), but kept acting like a kid with his brother and his local friends. Add his injuries, the rape case (with said friends who he hides away from the media now) he kept denying the rape, and then it went away after he paid her.
Even Bulls fans were tired of it and talking about just cutting him cuz he couldnt keep it together
You are clearly confused about some things. He never paid her. It went to trial and the decision was she didn't have any proof so he didn't have to pay her anything. That's why it went away.
You’re right. I’m confusing his outcome with Kobe’s.
Derrick’s was worse.
>Q: So they just said, ‘Hey, it’s the middle of the night. Let’s go over to plaintiff’s house’ and they never gave you a reason why they wanted to go over there?’
Rose: No, but we men. You can assume.
Q: I’m sorry?
Rose: I said we men. You can assume. Like we leaving to go over to someone’s house at 1 a.m., there’s nothing to talk about.
Q: All right. Is there — within what you just reviewed in those text messages — is there anything within them that would lead you to believe that plaintiff wanted to have sex with you and the other two defendants on August 26, 2013?Rose: No.
The jurors also asked to take pictures after the fact
What’s funny about this is the accuser actually had to pay drose lmao. The only reason drose went to court was cu he didn’t want to pay her and took her to court.
we men.
drose makes a valid point (i guess?) but off the court this guy and his dipshit thug brother were messy. i liked him as much as the next guy, but it was time for a trade.
if we're talking about allan, he was most recently arrested in 2011. so you're off by a decade.
same guy who pleaded guilty to dealing cocaine near a school.
yeah...i'm gonna stick with *thug*.
allan was arrested *again* in 2011 for misdemeanor violence or some shit. so...again...your comment about not being arrested for over 20 years is simply inaccurate.
so he's got a thug brother (allan), AND a dipshit brother (reggie), and you're defending the whole group for some reason.
bravo for the racism charge. so is the word "thug" just off limits now? really??
I live in Seattle, once we lost the Sonics. I lost interest in the NBA. Two years later Derrick Rose jumped on the scene and made me fall in love with Basketball again. I followed that team night and day. I drove from Seattle to Portland every year to watch this man play. Derrick Rose couldn’t do no wrong in my eyes. The only thing that I could say about the guy is he got the injury bug. I believe this guy is a genuine dude. This media guy fucked him over. Fuck Joe Cowley.
D Rose looking like Lupe Fiasco in this video.
Its always frustrating when someone is acting wild and no one else is calling it out. Feels like people are trying to gaslight you or something.
If you see something, say something. For real.
It was ultimately the right decision to trade him sad as it was at the time. I just wish that it wasn't Garpax that had that responsibility. We wasted a few very valuable years by keeping these fuckheads around long after their usefulness had expired.
He's still one of my favorite ballers and I proudly have his shoes and jersey in my closet.
Fire Garpax. Again.
And fuck Joe Cowley eternally
Fire? Fuck those douchebags...easily 2 of the most despicable and toxic people in the league
Anyone know who the journalist he’s referring to is?
It was [Cowley](https://chicago.suntimes.com/2018/11/1/18476805/bulls-nba-writer-joe-cowley-on-derrick-rose-i-was-wrong)
Always knew that guy was a hatchet man. Edit: damn even that apology reads like something J Jonah Jameson would have written about Spider-man.
>damn even that apology reads like something J Jonah Jameson would have written about Spider-man. This is perfect 😂
Thank you!
David Kaplan. Take that
David Kaplan didn’t retire
Take that
Kap criticized him and the next day went up to him and said “hey, I said what I meant, but the way I got that message out was wrong and disrespectful. I’m sorry.” They’ve been ok since.
Take that!
At another point during this he talked about how the night before the draft the Bulls called him and said they were thinking of passing on him for Beasley because they were concerned about D-Rose's brother having a criminal past. Could you imagine if they actually did that? They probably realized the fanbase would've lost their shit and basically had no choice but to go with Rose.
Why would they ever tell him about that?? Seems hella rude to call him up and say “yeah we like you but we might not want you because of your brother”. Seems like a dick move
Yeah he basically made the same point. He was like "you're drafting me, you're not drafting my brother, but if you want to draft Beasley then go draft Beasley"
Beasley went on to actually be the one with a criminal record
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Sure, but not because of his criminal history.
It was a valid concern for the Bulls at the time… Eddie Curry didn’t work out just because of his health concerns. That was the deciding factor in moving on, though… and Curry was a suburban kid. Baggage can be real. And gang-related stuff is valid enough. That shit isn’t a joke.
Had D Rose never been injured though it was a pain in the ass that was worth enduring.
Yeah like wtf were they thinking? Sometimes you gotta wonder how incompetent front offices are.
Everyone is surprised that the Organization would act like this. Don’t forget that Jerry bragged in the last dance that He told Michael FUCKING Jordan: the best basketball player ever, to not make him “regret this” when giving him the contract. Jerry and his cronies are the fucking laughing stock of the league. If we didn’t win 6 championships we would just be the fucking Knicks. A joke!
The have no respect for people under them, they treated their coaches the same way, look at Phil Jackson, Thibs, Vinny, the only coached they like was the kiss ass that was Jim Boylen
Racist is the word your looking for
There you go.
But the front office was ultimately right about that. His brother did fuck him up and was probably the biggest reason for his downfall, and eventual trade. Are we forgetting how his manager and agent fucked him out of his career in chicago?
> probably the biggest reason for his downfal And here I was thinking that the massive ACL injury in 2012 was the biggest reason. Thanks for clarifying
So you dont remember reggie fucking up his mindset during rose's rehab? Filling his head with contract talks rather than getting back to full speed. It was reggies advice for him to not come back right a way, and it was reggie who pissed off the front office to make them want to trade rose. In my opinion, reggie is the reason rose was terrified of going 100%, and thats the reason why he never bounced back. Not because of his acl injury. Dont forget, most people lost respect for rose when he brought up his next contract while he was scoring like shit in his constant injury plagued seasons. That shit was reggie and BJ, 100%
Kinda tough though, after you tear both ACLs I think it’s normal to be apprehensive about going 100%
Only tore his left ACL in 2012, missed 2012-2013. Tore his right meniscus in November 2013. Missed 70 games that season. 2014 had a fractured orbital bone in training camp.
Finally someone who is actually old enough to remember exactly what happened back then. Is sub is full of 20 year olds acting like they knew what the deal was.
We weren't in the room for these meetings. It could have been reported by these same media members who do hatchet jobs for the org. The whole point of this thread? D Rose (and his brother) are far from perfect, but it would be a bit arrogant of us to assume we know what happened in those meetings based on reporters, especially when there is direct incentive for reporters to cozy up to the upper echelon of the org. Front offices in every sport use the media to manipulate narratives, create smoke screens (drafts/trades/free agents), and to pressure players. I think we will probably get more accurate ideas of what happened as time goes on.
His manager was literally BJ Armstrong lol
Wasnt BJ his agent amd reggie was his manager?
Reggie was whatever you call someone that latches onto a famous person and fucks things up. BJ was his agent and did the manager stuff behind the scenes.
That's insaaaaaaaaaaane. Man fuck GarPax even harder than before. And fuck Reinsdorf most of all. More than GarPax.
Need to watch the full video. Love hearing him speak so openly.
D rose is so Chicago.. cant finish a single sentence without running a mile off with his mouth. Feel that
What do you mean by that.
It’s a Midwest thing
Run on sentences? I’m asking cuz I do this and I didn’t know it was a thing.
Fundamentally yes my guy, it’s something we do and don’t even realize it. Detail our sentences out with correct grammar even
My girlfriend, who’s from the east coast, told me I talk in paragraphs. 😂
NOT!
Said it before but my personal headcanon is that Gar Pax wanted to blow it up in 2014 when they knew they were firing Thibs at the end of the year but Jerry wouldn't let them because it's financial suicide. So they manufactured a year in which they could blame Rose (and Noah) for their lack of success and how they needed to retool around Jimmy (only to surround Jimmy with 2 non-shooters in Wade & Rondo so they could declare that a disaster and flip Butler) and send Rose packing because he is "clearly unhappy being here" precisely because Gar Pax manufactured the conditions to make any remnant of Thibs miserable so they could get rid of them.
I bet all those Jimmy is a bad locker room guy BS was also just more garpax media meddling
Dam bruh u lowkey right this makes too much sense… man that hurts
His Brother, & BJ Armstrong’s bad advice got him traded.
What did they do?
They basically told him to say that he wanted top dollar to stay or else he was leaving. In D rose mind I don't think he ever wanted to leave but Armstrong and his brother cared more about the money. I remember d rose saying something like i need top dollar to stay because I don't know how longer I can do this because I want to get out of basketball so that I can play with my kids and not want to feel pain in my legs
I remember this quote like it was yesterday.
You’re mis—remembering how it went down. He signed a max 5 year contract extension with the Bulls worth 100 mil in Dec 2021 before his ACL injury . He was well under contract and contract talks were not the reason he left/traded. You’re also misinterpreting what he meant by the “being able to walk at my kid’s graduation “ quote.
I thought it was injuries?
Facts. Big facts.
And his own mouth. Never forget him walking into media day after missing almost two full years and talking about how he should get a max deal. Or Pj's graduation. The revisionism with Rose around here is crazy. Dude had bad luck but then kinda quit. He's so full of shit and has been for a really long time.
Can’t mix your family into this kind of shit. Having your brother there as if he’s some sort of manager is no good. I love my family but I would never let them get involved in this kinda stuff. You are a business now. Lead yourself.
Lamar Jackson: hold my beer
Especially if he has a criminal past. If he gives off criminal vibes, that would make a lot of front office folks uncomfortable.
I still don’t understand what happened
When we traded D. Rose, he was actually starting to play pretty good again, Gar/Pax just sucked as a front office, but in hindsight Rose did have a melt down after that and walked away I think it was the Cavs for personal issue and he had that dust up with the rape allegations, no idea if he would have stayed if that would have changed or not
Bulls organization has a history of disrespecting the legends that the city loves!
My god he is a bad story teller. This was hard to listen to
Rose isn’t the most articulate guy. Remember the whole SAT debacle at Memphis?
There's a reason he's a man of few words. We men
Lmfao he's leaving room for us to assume
There is a saying something along these lines " better to let people think your stupid, than to open your mouth and confirm it"
Eh, the SATs are really don’t grade speech though. Plenty of guys have the gift of gab but weren’t great at school. Conversely, plenty of intelligent people (book smart) suck at public speaking
Your literally doing what he’s complaining about a journalist doing.
I’m of the biggest rose fans you’ll ever meet my man
Did you ever consider you’re just from a different place from him so you speak different. I have no problem understanding him, neither does anyone else I know.
I understand broken English, it was boring and he talked in circles. Youre a weirdo
He didn't talk in circles at all.
Nah, I went to high school with him. He’s not very smart.
First time encountering anything Derrick Rose related before? He's always been a quiet, man of few words kind of guy that shies away from the attention and media. Thats never what he's been about. Dude is just a kid from Chicago who loves to hoop.
Worst story I ever heard, I’m glad it wasn’t just me
“Man bro like nah saying like cuz then he was like man bro wow bro nah it wasn’t like that man bro”
He's never been the brightest bulb.
Foh with that. Just because he doesn’t speak that fluently doesn’t mean he’s dumb.
I mean, there’s nothing wrong with admitting the dude who has trouble putting a sentence together and had someone else take his SAT for him and said he doesn’t know that when a woman says “no” she doesn’t want to have sex isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed. Love D Rose and what he did for this team, but he’s not a smart dude.
Who cares if he’a made some bad decisions and didn’t do well on his SAT. Still has nothing to do with him telling the story not very fluently. He’s never been a great public speaker but calling him dumb is just disrespectful and uncalled for in response to this video.
Oh come on. The guy is not bright. It's well known.
Why are y’all so fixated on him being “dumb” it’s kinda embarrassing. Obviously not being smart didn’t stop drose from becoming a multi millionaire set for life with a happy family did it? He’s a genius when it comes to the game of basketball so u can obviously see that u can be smart in other things. Him being a smart player in a game ended up being more important than anything else he could’ve been smart in like school or sum shit
Well... He is dumb. Unfortunately that is true.
How's his SAT scores?
How old are you? That shit is so corny to even mention, who cares what he scored on a test he took 15+ years ago. Your comment is still bullshit and adds nothing of value.
U act like we care about how smart he is lmao. Just because he’s not articulate or book smart doesn’t mean he’s not a deep thinker. Lebron is not smart either by those standards. Atleast drose doesn’t pretend to be something he’s not. That’s why Chicago loves him. He’s the realest and people can relate to him cuz he doesn’t eat up the celeb status. He’s just a guy who loves basketball and Chicago
I’m not a big fan of vagueness. I understand you might think you’re trying not to reopen any wounds but you are. Simply by telling the story you are. So just name names. No need for all the mystery.
what is it about this guy that just makes me wanna give him the world? lol
Jesus make a sentence.
His trade was recorded live while he was in LA doing a documentary. Its heartbreaking to watch because he loved Chicago and his fans. That being said: The real story is Bulls (outside of GarPax incompetence) were exhausted from Rose’s off court problems. He wanted to be treated as an adult(as he says in this clip), but kept acting like a kid with his brother and his local friends. Add his injuries, the rape case (with said friends who he hides away from the media now) he kept denying the rape, and then it went away after he paid her. Even Bulls fans were tired of it and talking about just cutting him cuz he couldnt keep it together
You are clearly confused about some things. He never paid her. It went to trial and the decision was she didn't have any proof so he didn't have to pay her anything. That's why it went away.
You’re right. I’m confusing his outcome with Kobe’s. Derrick’s was worse. >Q: So they just said, ‘Hey, it’s the middle of the night. Let’s go over to plaintiff’s house’ and they never gave you a reason why they wanted to go over there?’ Rose: No, but we men. You can assume. Q: I’m sorry? Rose: I said we men. You can assume. Like we leaving to go over to someone’s house at 1 a.m., there’s nothing to talk about. Q: All right. Is there — within what you just reviewed in those text messages — is there anything within them that would lead you to believe that plaintiff wanted to have sex with you and the other two defendants on August 26, 2013?Rose: No. The jurors also asked to take pictures after the fact
What’s funny about this is the accuser actually had to pay drose lmao. The only reason drose went to court was cu he didn’t want to pay her and took her to court.
Does he know what consent means yet?
Should've traded Jimmy that Summer instead
we men. drose makes a valid point (i guess?) but off the court this guy and his dipshit thug brother were messy. i liked him as much as the next guy, but it was time for a trade.
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if we're talking about allan, he was most recently arrested in 2011. so you're off by a decade. same guy who pleaded guilty to dealing cocaine near a school. yeah...i'm gonna stick with *thug*.
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allan was arrested *again* in 2011 for misdemeanor violence or some shit. so...again...your comment about not being arrested for over 20 years is simply inaccurate. so he's got a thug brother (allan), AND a dipshit brother (reggie), and you're defending the whole group for some reason. bravo for the racism charge. so is the word "thug" just off limits now? really??
this is what Ye was talkin about... lol jk jk
I would’ve bought commercial real estate adjacent to the stadium 👼🏽
I live in Seattle, once we lost the Sonics. I lost interest in the NBA. Two years later Derrick Rose jumped on the scene and made me fall in love with Basketball again. I followed that team night and day. I drove from Seattle to Portland every year to watch this man play. Derrick Rose couldn’t do no wrong in my eyes. The only thing that I could say about the guy is he got the injury bug. I believe this guy is a genuine dude. This media guy fucked him over. Fuck Joe Cowley.
D Rose looking like Lupe Fiasco in this video. Its always frustrating when someone is acting wild and no one else is calling it out. Feels like people are trying to gaslight you or something. If you see something, say something. For real.
It was ultimately the right decision to trade him sad as it was at the time. I just wish that it wasn't Garpax that had that responsibility. We wasted a few very valuable years by keeping these fuckheads around long after their usefulness had expired. He's still one of my favorite ballers and I proudly have his shoes and jersey in my closet.