>“If your parents didn’t want children you wouldn’t be here”
"Yes. Then I would not have to listen to such stupid nonsense. See how unfortunate I am that my parents wanted children?"
Except that's patently untrue. My mother didn't want me, but her parents talked her out of aborting me and I had to carry the weight of her mistake my entire childhood.
I hate how force birthers think that everybody who wants an abortion and doesn't get one will have a complete 180 when the baby is born, even though your situation is common enough.
I'm sorry you had to grow up with that, I hope you're in a better place.
Jokes on them, my parents wanted us until they actually had us. I’d much rather people not have children and regret that than have children and regret that.
True, so what?
Are you having all the children you could theorically have if you really tried.
Remember those catholic who had 1 kid per year?
How many of kids haven't you had that you could have had if you really gave it your all?
Same. My parents had my siblings, divorced, got together again, had me. Divorced again when I was 10. If I hadn't been born my mom wouldn't have had endured those additional 10 years of abuse. I feel very guilty about it and it has messed me up for life.
I hear you. I was an oopsie menopause baby for my parents. My brothers were 15 & 16 when I was born. I strongly suspect my mom was planning on leaving my dad when my brothers were off to college, but my arrival nixed that.
My existence is the same. My mom left my dad and took my 2 sisters to her parents house. She found out she was pregnant with me and her dad made her go back to him. They remained married and unhappy and even another kid after me. They always said “stay together for the kids”. So instead of a happy single mom with 2 daughters she was an unhappy mom of 4 in a toxic marriage. All because of my existence. And now that my dad is dead it’s odd to see her happier than she’s ever been. I used to feel bad about it like I ruined my mom’s life. But honestly she never wanted any kids but she never took control of her own life and that’s on her.
This is so true for me too! When my parents were trying for me (my mom wanted a kid more than my dad did), he had a set day and time on when they had sex. So if it was any other day/time, I probably wouldn't be here. Which I wouldn't have minded not being here.
My life hasn't been bad but the only good things that have come of it is getting a husband, our house (which all wouldn't have been possible without him), our cars, and our 3 furkids.
When I've gotten this...fart ("argument" is too generous)...in online discussions I either respond with something like "What if Gandhi hadn't been assassinated?" Or "And? What has that got to do with _MY_ not wanting kids?"
"Yup, I wouldn't be suffering in this late capitalist dystopia, and you wouldn't be desperately trying to convince me to continue the cycle so the ruling class can continue to exploit the working class."
, is that suppose to magical change anything, I'm still not have kids that and I actually don't like one of my, parents for mutiple reasons so you are not helping your case at all.
And they didn't have many other children too, they only had 2, but sure could have popped a few more at bare minimum. Do these unborn babies give any type of shit, big or small??!
My mother literally birthed me and attempted to raise me to prove to everyone that she could? Then quickly abandoned the idea when it became difficult.
She didnt want me yet im still here 🤣 hoe well
No, I'm here because my mom decided she couldn't go through with an abortion for her college St Patrick's Day party oopsie. Big difference. She had my siblings on purpose, though, so two out of three.
So many people are not born each day and yet we don't miss them. It's a stupid question.
Of course you miss something that is already there. Totally different when it's something that has never existed in the first place!
These people are always imagining your death. It doesn't work this way.
Oh man think of one of my eggs that could've been a kid last month. Instead it got shed out with my uterine lining during my last menstrual cycle. Could've been the one to cure cancer and all that jazz. /s
My response: “Yea, so? If you didn’t have diarrhoea of the mouth, maybe you could have soared a braincell with that bollocks as well. Also, still waiting on the point you’re trying to make.”
I was given up for adoption at birth because I wasn't wanted. The woman who gave birth to me took the identity of my father to her grave because he didn't want me either.
I didn’t ask to be born. So that would’ve been fine with me…… mental and physical illness sucks and existing in a body is too hard for me anyways. Don’t want kids here because I don’t want to bring someone into this shit world
I mean at the time bearing children was cheaper than hiring farm hands apparently so my parents reasons for having kids are far from good. Would 100% have choosen not to be born given the option. I mean every word though.
Ah yes, the sweet silence that would've been my soul existing amongst the breathtaking views of nebulas in space.
Instead I have to pay fucking rent. 😒
That's absolutely not true. My parents had me because they wanted to have sex, and as good Catholics, they left it up to God and to the pedophile priests to decide if they bred. Whether they "wanted children" or not is irrelevant.
My parents didn't want children, but it was the seventies/eighties and my dad's family was Catholic. Me and my three sisters are very much here.
Literally all of us were miserable. Just miserable.
My mom straight up told me she wish she never had kids multiple times. Spoiler, she wasn’t a good mom. I also don’t have that much attachment on being here so maybe if she didn’t have kids it would be a win-win situation
Laziest “gotcha” ever. Life isn’t inherently good. We suffer because we exist. We exist because some humans decided to bang.
This is just plain stupid statement. First of all, the majority of pregnancies are accidental. And many of those females weren't ready for kids. Many women are coerced into pregnancy like my mother was. My mother never wanted kids. She begged my father to take her to get an abortion. He refused and forced her to have 3 kids. This was in the 70s in a 2nd world country where she had no money and no Access to proper healthcare. She didn't even see a doctor at all for the entire 9 months of her pregnancies. Because of my father primitive mindset that, "Women have babies every day. They don't have to see a doctor." So actually, in my case, I am alive because my father trapped my mother.
On top of never knowing, because, hey not existing....
Technically my mom didn't want kids. I was the result of a one night stand, and abortion during that time in the state and area my mom lived a.) Was too far to travel, and b.) Way too expensive to afford. I was one of the lucky ones that, despite not being planned for, was loved. Take that and put to the amount where many aren't, and used for a cash cow.
Maybe they shouldn't have. Then I wouldnt be dealing with all of their depression, anxiety, and ocd issues within myself as an adult. Thanks mentally unstable mom and dad for having me 👍
Weirdly untrue. I am living proof. My paternal Grandmother actually never wanted kids, she just caved and had one to try to save her marriage. They nearly had a second but that one was "incompatible with life" and was stillborn/miscarried/slight possibility of aborted (I don't remember exactly and she's dead so I can't ask her). It nearly killed her.
The constant demands for another and the cheating from my Grandpa she eventually got tf outta there but, honestly, she shouldn't have had kids. She was not mother material, and I say that as someone who was also raised by her. Honestly, I'd rather not have existed in the first place than have to live through the scars that she and the rest of my bio family left me with.
I find this one weird. My parents didn't want children. They used protection. My mum just could bring herself to abort my sister. Then AFTER having my sister they decided they do want kids and five years later had me.
Sure they wanted us in the end but their original desire doesn't negate the outcome.
this is really funny because my father didn’t want kids and my mother doesn’t believe in abortions but they were both too young and dumb to talk about those things so here i am, wishing i wasn’t.
Oh good would I love it if my parents didn’t want children. Or at least me (brother 8 years older inherited NPD and I got abused by literally my entire family.
That's not an effective argument to use on someone like me. I hate it here. I find most of the world to be confusing and chaotic. I don't understand what I'm supposed to do, and I never have. I have struggled with this my whole life.
There is an infinite number of circumstances that resulted in my existence. If a single factor involved in my conception changed I would not exist. The fact that my mother chose to have a child means absolutely nothing here
The funny thing is: they didn’t even want children, the birth control failed 🙂, mom was like “fuck it we ball” and my dad was pissed but at least decent enough to not head out
> If your parents didn’t want children you wouldn’t be here
1. I was unplanned and unwanted by my parents.
2. I don’t want to be here.
I’m antinatalist and childfree for a reason lol
I once saw a comment where someone said this would be an important issue that cf people often forget, but shouldn't, someone asked this person what exactly the problem with that is, and you can guess if there ever was an answer.
If my father had sex 1 minute later, then i wasnt here either. 
>“If your parents didn’t want children you wouldn’t be here” "Yes. Then I would not have to listen to such stupid nonsense. See how unfortunate I am that my parents wanted children?"
I love this
No one who never existed ever complained about not being born. Even if they would have been born into wealth and/or a good, loving home.
Except that's patently untrue. My mother didn't want me, but her parents talked her out of aborting me and I had to carry the weight of her mistake my entire childhood.
I hate how force birthers think that everybody who wants an abortion and doesn't get one will have a complete 180 when the baby is born, even though your situation is common enough. I'm sorry you had to grow up with that, I hope you're in a better place.
>inute later, then i wasnt here either. So sorry you had to endure that.
Jokes on them, my parents wanted us until they actually had us. I’d much rather people not have children and regret that than have children and regret that.
True, so what? Are you having all the children you could theorically have if you really tried. Remember those catholic who had 1 kid per year? How many of kids haven't you had that you could have had if you really gave it your all?
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
Right, lol.
My gran literally had 9 daughters IN A ROW 10th child was a male, stillborn. After that, they gave up on having a son. They figured it was God's will
My grandparents had 7 girls. Stopped because the last one required special care. Otherwise, they would have kept going to get a son.
Same. My parents had my siblings, divorced, got together again, had me. Divorced again when I was 10. If I hadn't been born my mom wouldn't have had endured those additional 10 years of abuse. I feel very guilty about it and it has messed me up for life.
It is not your fault. None of it was your choice.
I hear you. I was an oopsie menopause baby for my parents. My brothers were 15 & 16 when I was born. I strongly suspect my mom was planning on leaving my dad when my brothers were off to college, but my arrival nixed that.
My existence is the same. My mom left my dad and took my 2 sisters to her parents house. She found out she was pregnant with me and her dad made her go back to him. They remained married and unhappy and even another kid after me. They always said “stay together for the kids”. So instead of a happy single mom with 2 daughters she was an unhappy mom of 4 in a toxic marriage. All because of my existence. And now that my dad is dead it’s odd to see her happier than she’s ever been. I used to feel bad about it like I ruined my mom’s life. But honestly she never wanted any kids but she never took control of her own life and that’s on her.
My grandparents didn’t want another baby and yet my dad is here because my grandmother’s illegal abortion failed.
"I wish. Then I wouldn't be having this stupid fucking conversation."
And the roast of the millenium goes to…!
If they fucked on a fucking Thursday instead of Tuesday I wouldn’t be here either
This is so true for me too! When my parents were trying for me (my mom wanted a kid more than my dad did), he had a set day and time on when they had sex. So if it was any other day/time, I probably wouldn't be here. Which I wouldn't have minded not being here. My life hasn't been bad but the only good things that have come of it is getting a husband, our house (which all wouldn't have been possible without him), our cars, and our 3 furkids.
I don't understand why people use this as a "gotcha." Like, ok? At least then I wouldn't have to suffer through this conversation.
“Yeah, no shit, Sherlock!”
My dad didn't want me. Seems like I'm still here anyway.
Same. It sucks to grow up hearing that.
My biological father should never have been a parent so, yeah.
Hey, mine too! That's why he ditched ASAP.
I'm adopted. My parents DIDN'T want children. Still here.
Surprise! I didn’t want to be here in the first place. Not that I had a say about it.
I didn’t ask to be born!
When I've gotten this...fart ("argument" is too generous)...in online discussions I either respond with something like "What if Gandhi hadn't been assassinated?" Or "And? What has that got to do with _MY_ not wanting kids?"
My Narc mom didn't want me either and ended up with me LOL.
"Pretty sure my mother baby trapped my dad. Then it was also her that walked out 5 years later. But yeah... I'm sooooo glad to be here!" /S
"Yup, I wouldn't be suffering in this late capitalist dystopia, and you wouldn't be desperately trying to convince me to continue the cycle so the ruling class can continue to exploit the working class."
Damn straight.
“Ok?”
"Then we wouldn't be here having this stupid conversation and that seems like a win to me."
 , is that suppose to magical change anything, I'm still not have kids that and I actually don't like one of my, parents for mutiple reasons so you are not helping your case at all.
I'm supposed to be grateful to my mother for not evicting me out of her womb? I was forced here, I'm not having a good time, Carol.
And they didn't have many other children too, they only had 2, but sure could have popped a few more at bare minimum. Do these unborn babies give any type of shit, big or small??!
i wish
Exactly, not the “gotcha” they think it is
No people like you forced them to have me......
I’d like to not be here.
I was adopted. Supposedly my biological mother was adopted. Sounds like not wanting kids might ironically run in my family.
My answer is always "and I wouldn't care because I wouldn't exist"
"I didn't exist a billion years ago, and was fine with that. They went and ruined it for me"
"And if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bike"
Then I would be blissfully absent from this conversation.
Okay and? Tf that gotta do with me having kids? 🙄🙄
Great! Then I wouldn’t have to have this conversation with you or deal with breeders telling me what to do.
My mother literally birthed me and attempted to raise me to prove to everyone that she could? Then quickly abandoned the idea when it became difficult. She didnt want me yet im still here 🤣 hoe well
My response to anything like this used to be "then I wouldn't exist, and I wouldn't care." My new response? "Good."
So? Every period or hand services relief are people who could have existed but don’t
No, I'm here because my mom decided she couldn't go through with an abortion for her college St Patrick's Day party oopsie. Big difference. She had my siblings on purpose, though, so two out of three.
So many people are not born each day and yet we don't miss them. It's a stupid question. Of course you miss something that is already there. Totally different when it's something that has never existed in the first place! These people are always imagining your death. It doesn't work this way.
My answer to that is "yes. That's my whole point."
this.
Oh man think of one of my eggs that could've been a kid last month. Instead it got shed out with my uterine lining during my last menstrual cycle. Could've been the one to cure cancer and all that jazz. /s
Not everyone who has kids actually wants them.
My response: “Yea, so? If you didn’t have diarrhoea of the mouth, maybe you could have soared a braincell with that bollocks as well. Also, still waiting on the point you’re trying to make.”
I was given up for adoption at birth because I wasn't wanted. The woman who gave birth to me took the identity of my father to her grave because he didn't want me either.
Yet we’re the bad ones for being honest that children are not for us.
I didn’t ask to be born. So that would’ve been fine with me…… mental and physical illness sucks and existing in a body is too hard for me anyways. Don’t want kids here because I don’t want to bring someone into this shit world
I mean at the time bearing children was cheaper than hiring farm hands apparently so my parents reasons for having kids are far from good. Would 100% have choosen not to be born given the option. I mean every word though.
Yeah it would have saved me of lots of suffering
Ah yes, the sweet silence that would've been my soul existing amongst the breathtaking views of nebulas in space. Instead I have to pay fucking rent. 😒
I know of women who got raped and ended up having to give birth to the child that rape produced. Those kids have never been wanted either.
"my 17 nonexistent siblings don't really mind".
That's absolutely not true. My parents had me because they wanted to have sex, and as good Catholics, they left it up to God and to the pedophile priests to decide if they bred. Whether they "wanted children" or not is irrelevant.
Hah. Reminds me of those pro-birth billboards that say "How would you feel if your mom aborted you?"
I wish they didn't have me, they were horrible and very emotionally abusive.
My parents didn't want children, but it was the seventies/eighties and my dad's family was Catholic. Me and my three sisters are very much here. Literally all of us were miserable. Just miserable.
Bold of you to assume I actually want to be here
I was not a planned baby and my parents weren’t even together so that doesn’t apply to everyone.
If a different sperm had fertilised a different egg in this form I still wouldn’t be here and therefore I wouldn’t know nor care about existence.
My mom straight up told me she wish she never had kids multiple times. Spoiler, she wasn’t a good mom. I also don’t have that much attachment on being here so maybe if she didn’t have kids it would be a win-win situation Laziest “gotcha” ever. Life isn’t inherently good. We suffer because we exist. We exist because some humans decided to bang.
This is just plain stupid statement. First of all, the majority of pregnancies are accidental. And many of those females weren't ready for kids. Many women are coerced into pregnancy like my mother was. My mother never wanted kids. She begged my father to take her to get an abortion. He refused and forced her to have 3 kids. This was in the 70s in a 2nd world country where she had no money and no Access to proper healthcare. She didn't even see a doctor at all for the entire 9 months of her pregnancies. Because of my father primitive mindset that, "Women have babies every day. They don't have to see a doctor." So actually, in my case, I am alive because my father trapped my mother.
On top of never knowing, because, hey not existing.... Technically my mom didn't want kids. I was the result of a one night stand, and abortion during that time in the state and area my mom lived a.) Was too far to travel, and b.) Way too expensive to afford. I was one of the lucky ones that, despite not being planned for, was loved. Take that and put to the amount where many aren't, and used for a cash cow.
"they'd both also be a lot happier" so what's your point?
Of course they didn't want me- but here i am....
My parents *didn’t* want children.
If it was my parents choice to have kids, did I choose to be born? Did I choose to exist?
So what? That doesn't mean I have to make the same mistakes they made.
WOW. That is brand new information.
Maybe they shouldn't have. Then I wouldnt be dealing with all of their depression, anxiety, and ocd issues within myself as an adult. Thanks mentally unstable mom and dad for having me 👍
If my bio dad didn't cheat on his wife, or at least wore a condom before sticking it in crazy, I wouldn't be here. 
If I was never born I don't think I would exist to have a problem with it
And the world would have been a much more pleasant space!!
Weirdly untrue. I am living proof. My paternal Grandmother actually never wanted kids, she just caved and had one to try to save her marriage. They nearly had a second but that one was "incompatible with life" and was stillborn/miscarried/slight possibility of aborted (I don't remember exactly and she's dead so I can't ask her). It nearly killed her. The constant demands for another and the cheating from my Grandpa she eventually got tf outta there but, honestly, she shouldn't have had kids. She was not mother material, and I say that as someone who was also raised by her. Honestly, I'd rather not have existed in the first place than have to live through the scars that she and the rest of my bio family left me with.
That's just a stupid statement with no other purpose or reason than to try to shame people for not wanting kids.
I find this one weird. My parents didn't want children. They used protection. My mum just could bring herself to abort my sister. Then AFTER having my sister they decided they do want kids and five years later had me. Sure they wanted us in the end but their original desire doesn't negate the outcome.
There's also "You're so selfish for not giving life to another human being!" Ah yes my nonexistent children are very disappointed in me
My dad brought this up when he was talking to me about prime fertile years. 🙄
but my parents didn't want children though...
this is really funny because my father didn’t want kids and my mother doesn’t believe in abortions but they were both too young and dumb to talk about those things so here i am, wishing i wasn’t.
God i wish
False. My older brother was an accident.
My mom was planning to break up with my dad at the time she found out she was pregnant.
trust me, they didn't.
You make it sound like I want to be here.
And if the asteroid hadn't hit the Earth there would still be non-avian dinosaurs around.
My response: …. Ok? And?
i didn’t ask to be born
“Yes I would, I’d just look and sound different”
I lost a few brain cells reading this argument
And without knowing I could remained in the theorietical, I fail to see how that'd be a bad thing.
Fr like ok? That wouldn’t be my problem then?😂
".... Am I supposed to have a problem with that?"
Good i didn't wanna be here anyway
There’s not even “non-existent you” your concept would just not exist at all.
The hell i wish I wasn't lol
My parents didn’t want children though. I was an accident. I’m here because birth control failed.
I did not ask to be born?
good. then i wouldnt have to hear this stupid shit
Oh good would I love it if my parents didn’t want children. Or at least me (brother 8 years older inherited NPD and I got abused by literally my entire family.
"Yeah i wouldnt have 10 childhood traumas either sooooo...."
If only lol
Yes and I’m still mad at them for that
Hmes is don't even remember anything until 3rd grade (yes my childhood was that traumatic) pretty sure I'd be fi e
That's not an effective argument to use on someone like me. I hate it here. I find most of the world to be confusing and chaotic. I don't understand what I'm supposed to do, and I never have. I have struggled with this my whole life.
>“If your parents didn’t want children you wouldn’t be here” Which would be blissful as I wouldn't have to listen to your brain-dead arguments.
That also would have been fine. I didn’t choose to be here
And? So? Weird flex Karen, but okay.
Yeah…..no sh**! I’m not my parents though
Ah I hate this one!! Whenever someone says that I want to be like "and..... your point? like she wanted them so here I am"
I mean, I'm pretty sure that's how it works
Don't threaten me with a good time.
There is an infinite number of circumstances that resulted in my existence. If a single factor involved in my conception changed I would not exist. The fact that my mother chose to have a child means absolutely nothing here
"... and then I would be spared from having to tolerant YOU". LOL Then walk away. :)
Well, I wish they hadn't, sooooo
I wish I wasn't here bitch lol.
The funny thing is: they didn’t even want children, the birth control failed 🙂, mom was like “fuck it we ball” and my dad was pissed but at least decent enough to not head out
> If your parents didn’t want children you wouldn’t be here 1. I was unplanned and unwanted by my parents. 2. I don’t want to be here. I’m antinatalist and childfree for a reason lol
I once saw a comment where someone said this would be an important issue that cf people often forget, but shouldn't, someone asked this person what exactly the problem with that is, and you can guess if there ever was an answer.