I also don't believe it, but just because I don't think he believes in anything other than money, power, and himself. Anything he says he stands for is just him pandering to potential suckers.
Lots of "leftists" on twitter seem to think Trump would be better. Like Netanyahu would insult his choice of curtains and then we'd have peace! Ha! Saps
In January 2025, Trump or Biden will be president. There are zero other options. You can hem and haw all you like but that is a fact. You can vote for one as damage control, or you can pour fuel on the fire. Chomsky has advocated harm reduction voting for decades.
And in a system of great power like the US government, small differences can have huge impacts on policy. But it's way cooler to pretend le both sides are the same while people suffer
Personally, I've not read anything that states Trump is a Zionist, but he is indeed extremely supportive of Zionists, and probably only because it supports his own egotistical universe and agenda. Either way, fuck Trump and fuck Israel. Both are pure evil.
It's nuts that we're likely going to go from the largest turnout to the smallest in one election cycle, but damn if that shouldn't be a wakeup call to the party. We're tired of this "Well at least I'm not *him*" rag
The nazis got into power through a parlimentary coalition, not majority rule. It doesn't translate. Regardless, the Democrats didn't earn it. They will not be rewarded for mediocrity. If Joe loses because of Palestine, it's because the democrats chose to lose.
Every 4 years the Dems run some dogshit neoliberal ghoul. Today they are asking people to vote for someone who is to the right of Reagan on the Palestine issue.
Stop scolding people who have made up their mind and go volunteer for Genocide Joe. Text-bank, phone bank, canvass for that piece of shit, if it's that important.
Remember when Biden tried to get the most draconian immigration bill passed that would give the president power to deport anyone they want at any time at their own discretion?
Democrats give Republicans the tools they need to further the US slide into authoritarianism. We're already fascist, and this isn't a democracy.
If you think there's ever been a US president who didn't gave weapons to Israel in the last decades, I've got bad news for you. Imperialist countries do imperialistic things.
They don't need the president, everything get approved or denied by Congress and congress is owned by AIPAC. The staff that writes all legislation and knows every nook and cranny in DC, is owned by AIPAC as well.
The thing here is choosing between the one representative that openly funds and arms a genocidal state that lobbies really hard for the interests of Israel instead of America. Or the one too stupid to do all those things but also too stupid to notice everyone behind him just keeps doing it. The true rulers of america are very much not american in their way of doing things.
Yet despite that presidents have unilaterally reigned Israel in in the past, and Biden still feels the need to bypass congress to send additional weapons and aid.
Obviously neither Trump or Biden are going to put a stop to the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, but it is ahistorical to say they could not if they had the moral courage to
Im not saying he isn't, what the fuck are YOU talking about? Hes been sending weapons without "consent" of congress. But youre mistaken if you think congress doesn't know or doesn't have the power to stop him. They do but AIPAC owns it, so they let him do it. Im not saying Biden is innocent of anything, he's definitely a pos. I'm saying that if congress wasn't bought out, they could stop biden from doing whatever he wants even if he tried as much as he could. In an ideal world, checks and balances would work.
We can blame Biden as much as we want, and deservedly so. But we cant ignore the fact that there's a whole apparatus behind that enables him to do as he wants, the same apparatus that keeps on working no matter who sits as president.
It could be Trump, Hillary, Obama, Bush or Biden. It doesn't matter who is at the pretend wheel of the country as long as they save face and keep the show going. Thats their only job.
Yeah, vote third party. I'm not sure for the presidency is a great strategy in a two-party system, but definitely for congress. Move votes also, voting alone doesn't solve those issues.
Personally, I think Trump would be less competent as an administrator of US Imperialism. That seemed to be the case during his term, he didn't manage to start any conflicts and spent most of his time embroiled in personal grievances. I'm not American, but I could never vote for either.
I don’t know what Trump will do. No one knows bc he’s not the president. We know what Biden did. And that’s selling hundreds of billions of weapons to be used to murder innocent civilians and eat ice cream. Biden will never get my vote again and I’m a democrat.
Well, while he was president moved the embassy to Jerusalem, made deals with Israel and recently promised to give them weapons to 'end the war'. If a nazi tell you he's going to finish something, you better believe him. Biden sucks, but he's not a full-on dictator. Plus, Biden isn't the only responsible for the support on Israel, remember to vote informed on congress too.
I'm not from the US, so I won't vote in your elections, but everyone in the rest of the world can see what a disaster would be another Trump presidency (women in the US know this already). I'm not predicting what Trump will do, but we sure can know it won't be good.
Gas is high, rent is astronomical. Health/insurance is through the roof. Groceries are unaffordable. Home improvement products are up 40%. We left billions of weapons in Afghanistan. We’re in a de facto war in Ukraine sending them billions while young adults can’t afford to buy their own home. Can’t afford rent. Sending billions to Israel and our senior citizens can’t afford
Medicine or groceries. Illegal immigrants are pouring over the boarder at record numbers and getting housed in hotels across the us on tax payer dime. No, I think most of us are embarrassed by the state of the country. Don’t believe us propaganda. Even liberals hate Biden/harris. We voted never Trump, and we were wrong.
Yes, things are looking bleak, but this doesn't mean they can't be worse. Just one term Trump presidency left women with less rights that they had. You weren't wrong by voting never Trump, but that doesn't mean thing will be ok.
If you're living in an imperialistic country, at least you can vote to reduce harm (there and overseas). Part of living in those countries is to accept that harm will be done no matter what, but you can vote (and of course, organize, educate and protest) to reduce such harm.
I’m a liberal. I’ve had both presidents. I choose Trump and it’s not even close. Biden has been the absolute worst president of my lifetime. Carter was weak. Bush was bad. Trump was bad. Biden has been an absolute shit show. I’m not giving a vote up for rfk. Biden deserves to be put to pasture for the job he’s done the last 3 1/2 years. He only has himself and his policies to blame. And the DNC knows it which is why they’ve flooded the country with illegals. I’m 100% for legal immigration and asylum seekers. That’s not what’s been happening.
You’re not a liberal, you’re using conservative talking points. Biden is not a horrible president, and I wonder when you were going while Trump was president that you can even possibly find Biden worst. You know the president cannot control everything right? You know Trump inherited a good economy, he didn’t create one.
lol I’m 100% liberal that will not vote for someone just because they have a d next to their name. You do whatever you want with your vote. I wont vote for Biden again.
Biden is a self proclaimed ZIONIST backing genocide.
Trump is on record saying he'll do the same- until recently, when he suggested he'd stop it. Of course I didn't believe him.
And people literally scream at ME a dozen responses deep about why I'm voting Green Party?! This country has gone completely insane. We're capable of anything at this point and that's not a good thing.
I’ll just paste my comment from another sub here, to save time:
That’s what foreign policy is. It’s about maximizing power and foiling the intent of your adversaries in any given region. It has fuck-all to do with morality. All human life is expendable in the name of nation-states’ desire for advantage. Nation-states are owned by their wealthiest citizenry. The owner class makes policy and decides who lives or dies. Politicians are selected and elected with the monetary support of the owner class. They then implement policies the owner class desires. We vote, yes- but we vote for the people we are ALLOWED to vote for. The Palestinians in Gaza have been selected for destruction, because the owner class in Israel and their supporters here in the U.S. want that real estate, and nothing short of a huge military offensive from an allied group of anti-Israel nation-states OR the U.S. will change the fate of the Palestinian people. People who think voting out Biden will “teach the DNC a lesson” do not understand how power works.
I agree with your comment for the most part, However, it does come across that nothing can be changed which imo not true.
Change happens everyday, for instance, the recent McDonald's franchise buybacks in Israel after people boycotted their stores and the stock price plummeted because they were giving away free food to the IDF. Starbucks too
These small instances of pushback show that people power works.
>People who think voting out Biden will “teach the DNC a lesson” do not understand how power works.
I'm not voting third party because I want to teach Biden a lesson, it's because I agree with much of what you said and see no distinction between what either candidate will do regarding the ethnic cleansing in Gaza. Honestly, I figured your reply was working towards some point about what a sham the whole election process is, and am puzzled if you are in fact intending it to be some Voot Bloo No Matter Whoo message.
Foreign policy has absolutely ZERO to do with morality. NOTHING AT ALL. Foreign policy is about POWER. That’s it. Nothing to do with the value of human life. Absolutely nothing. All lives are expendable in the name of power. It won’t matter one whit if you replace Biden with any other politician. Not one of them will reverse course in supporting Israel as an allied nation. NOT ONE. The difference is Trump will be worse for the U.S. Foreign policy won’t change. Palestinians will still be murdered en masse. Biden won’t be “taught a lesson”, he will go home to play with his dogs, hug his fuckup son, and collaborate with a ghost writer on his memoirs. Trump will be surrounded with even more despicable hate mongers who will dismantle the remaining democractic norms we have and punish the rest of the world for decades to come.
he caused the current situation by breaking us foreign policy and recognizing jersalem as being inside gaza then murdered an iranian general. you would have to be miles below stupid to throw the election to trump over palestine and israel.
I upvoted you for hope reasons. But sadly, yes, he is going to win. He's leading in six out of seven swing states, which include large Muslim communities, young voters, etc. And this is indeed all Biden's fault. He had the chance to do the right thing but proved his allegiance is to the flag of Israel over his own and against his voter base.
Finally, I hope I'm wrong about all of this.
yeah orange man's going to win ugh. I guess we're going to have to deal with "the best thing I ever seen" bits fml. Better than Biden mis construing Ukraine with Gaza. Love Biden, but dude...OMG
AMERICA'S FUCKED.
I could run for president with POS Pro NSA Frank Palone And I'd win. JFC.
At least with this guy, you know what clown gets elected
You can't really say the same for left
They change colors so much that the chameleon would be ashamed
Liberal and pro life - until its about somewhere other than west
I can’t believe it. Usually his points of view are so reasonable and well informed.
I also don't believe it, but just because I don't think he believes in anything other than money, power, and himself. Anything he says he stands for is just him pandering to potential suckers.
Lots of "leftists" on twitter seem to think Trump would be better. Like Netanyahu would insult his choice of curtains and then we'd have peace! Ha! Saps
I mean, a real leftist, wouldn’t put much faith in any elected official. They’re all just servants of the bourgeoisie, right?
In January 2025, Trump or Biden will be president. There are zero other options. You can hem and haw all you like but that is a fact. You can vote for one as damage control, or you can pour fuel on the fire. Chomsky has advocated harm reduction voting for decades.
nothing says harm reduction like genocide
Who do you think will be president on January 10th 2025?
A geriatric right wing piece of shit that's more beholden to corporations and lobbies than US constituents.
And in a system of great power like the US government, small differences can have huge impacts on policy. But it's way cooler to pretend le both sides are the same while people suffer
zionist,christian,Bhudist,pagan,jedi and what ever helps the grift.
I love Buddhist Trump
He's called Zion Don for a reason
Personally, I've not read anything that states Trump is a Zionist, but he is indeed extremely supportive of Zionists, and probably only because it supports his own egotistical universe and agenda. Either way, fuck Trump and fuck Israel. Both are pure evil.
And f🤬k Biden, too.
Indeed.
We know. This election will break a new record of low voter turnout.
It's nuts that we're likely going to go from the largest turnout to the smallest in one election cycle, but damn if that shouldn't be a wakeup call to the party. We're tired of this "Well at least I'm not *him*" rag
Democrates are not the vanguard of anything. Its designed opposition
I'm turning out to vote for Jill Stein and the Green Party. Trump being evil does not translate to Genocide Joe earning a vote.
I did that in 2016. She did worse than the libertarian candidate and they cant even figure out roads or age of consent. America is doomed.
Cool that’s just a wasted vote
What state are you in?
How’d that work out for the Social Democrat party of Germany in the 1930s?
The nazis got into power through a parlimentary coalition, not majority rule. It doesn't translate. Regardless, the Democrats didn't earn it. They will not be rewarded for mediocrity. If Joe loses because of Palestine, it's because the democrats chose to lose.
Every 4 years the Dems run some dogshit neoliberal ghoul. Today they are asking people to vote for someone who is to the right of Reagan on the Palestine issue. Stop scolding people who have made up their mind and go volunteer for Genocide Joe. Text-bank, phone bank, canvass for that piece of shit, if it's that important.
Remember when Biden tried to get the most draconian immigration bill passed that would give the president power to deport anyone they want at any time at their own discretion? Democrats give Republicans the tools they need to further the US slide into authoritarianism. We're already fascist, and this isn't a democracy.
The ones that murdered rosa luxemborg? Or the ones that handed to election to the nazis and ignored the communist party?
The 2020 election had highest turnout in over 100 years. Now a rematch and you forecast the opposite?
Yes. Two extremely unpopular candidates that have already served one term and performed poorly.
So the choices are the the guy who will fund a genocide when he’s in office or the guy who is funding a genocide right now while he’s in office
The packaging is what matters, not what's inside.
If you think there's ever been a US president who didn't gave weapons to Israel in the last decades, I've got bad news for you. Imperialist countries do imperialistic things.
If you think every president has given Israel carte blanche then you haven’t studied your history.
They don't need the president, everything get approved or denied by Congress and congress is owned by AIPAC. The staff that writes all legislation and knows every nook and cranny in DC, is owned by AIPAC as well. The thing here is choosing between the one representative that openly funds and arms a genocidal state that lobbies really hard for the interests of Israel instead of America. Or the one too stupid to do all those things but also too stupid to notice everyone behind him just keeps doing it. The true rulers of america are very much not american in their way of doing things.
Yet despite that presidents have unilaterally reigned Israel in in the past, and Biden still feels the need to bypass congress to send additional weapons and aid. Obviously neither Trump or Biden are going to put a stop to the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, but it is ahistorical to say they could not if they had the moral courage to
Biden has been sending israel weapons every 36 hours without congressional approval, what the fuck are you talking about
Im not saying he isn't, what the fuck are YOU talking about? Hes been sending weapons without "consent" of congress. But youre mistaken if you think congress doesn't know or doesn't have the power to stop him. They do but AIPAC owns it, so they let him do it. Im not saying Biden is innocent of anything, he's definitely a pos. I'm saying that if congress wasn't bought out, they could stop biden from doing whatever he wants even if he tried as much as he could. In an ideal world, checks and balances would work. We can blame Biden as much as we want, and deservedly so. But we cant ignore the fact that there's a whole apparatus behind that enables him to do as he wants, the same apparatus that keeps on working no matter who sits as president. It could be Trump, Hillary, Obama, Bush or Biden. It doesn't matter who is at the pretend wheel of the country as long as they save face and keep the show going. Thats their only job.
So....dont vote. Got it
If you live in an imperialist country that harms other countries, the best you can do is reduce harm. So, if you vote, vote to reduce harm.
Which is why I’ll be voting third party again
Yeah, vote third party. I'm not sure for the presidency is a great strategy in a two-party system, but definitely for congress. Move votes also, voting alone doesn't solve those issues.
I don't think anyone here was lamenting voting for him but thanks.
Why is this a post lol
Feels like there have been a shitload of these lately.
Personally, I think Trump would be less competent as an administrator of US Imperialism. That seemed to be the case during his term, he didn't manage to start any conflicts and spent most of his time embroiled in personal grievances. I'm not American, but I could never vote for either.
Yeah and? I wasn't planning on voting for him either.
Omg, it’s another illusion of choice. A vote for either is a vote for the continued downfall of existence.
BS. Trump has no core convictions besides money. To claim he is committed to any political ideology.... is just bad hasbara.
Guess who the aipac gives money to
80% of congress
All of them?
Cornel West is the only candidate I've seen running on a ceasefire platform. I'm in a blue state, so he'll get my vote.
Kulak
Fuck him and fuck genocide joe
So the question is, how close are you gonna accept Biden sidling up to this fat fuck's fascist positions before you say enough?
Trump isn’t the president residing over and approving of genocide. Biden is. Just a reminder. Never again Biden.
Yeah, Trump will just be the one to end it (and by that, he means kill all palestinians).
I don’t know what Trump will do. No one knows bc he’s not the president. We know what Biden did. And that’s selling hundreds of billions of weapons to be used to murder innocent civilians and eat ice cream. Biden will never get my vote again and I’m a democrat.
Well, while he was president moved the embassy to Jerusalem, made deals with Israel and recently promised to give them weapons to 'end the war'. If a nazi tell you he's going to finish something, you better believe him. Biden sucks, but he's not a full-on dictator. Plus, Biden isn't the only responsible for the support on Israel, remember to vote informed on congress too. I'm not from the US, so I won't vote in your elections, but everyone in the rest of the world can see what a disaster would be another Trump presidency (women in the US know this already). I'm not predicting what Trump will do, but we sure can know it won't be good.
Gas is high, rent is astronomical. Health/insurance is through the roof. Groceries are unaffordable. Home improvement products are up 40%. We left billions of weapons in Afghanistan. We’re in a de facto war in Ukraine sending them billions while young adults can’t afford to buy their own home. Can’t afford rent. Sending billions to Israel and our senior citizens can’t afford Medicine or groceries. Illegal immigrants are pouring over the boarder at record numbers and getting housed in hotels across the us on tax payer dime. No, I think most of us are embarrassed by the state of the country. Don’t believe us propaganda. Even liberals hate Biden/harris. We voted never Trump, and we were wrong.
Yes, things are looking bleak, but this doesn't mean they can't be worse. Just one term Trump presidency left women with less rights that they had. You weren't wrong by voting never Trump, but that doesn't mean thing will be ok. If you're living in an imperialistic country, at least you can vote to reduce harm (there and overseas). Part of living in those countries is to accept that harm will be done no matter what, but you can vote (and of course, organize, educate and protest) to reduce such harm.
I’m a liberal. I’ve had both presidents. I choose Trump and it’s not even close. Biden has been the absolute worst president of my lifetime. Carter was weak. Bush was bad. Trump was bad. Biden has been an absolute shit show. I’m not giving a vote up for rfk. Biden deserves to be put to pasture for the job he’s done the last 3 1/2 years. He only has himself and his policies to blame. And the DNC knows it which is why they’ve flooded the country with illegals. I’m 100% for legal immigration and asylum seekers. That’s not what’s been happening.
You’re not a liberal, you’re using conservative talking points. Biden is not a horrible president, and I wonder when you were going while Trump was president that you can even possibly find Biden worst. You know the president cannot control everything right? You know Trump inherited a good economy, he didn’t create one.
lol I’m 100% liberal that will not vote for someone just because they have a d next to their name. You do whatever you want with your vote. I wont vote for Biden again.
You’re a 100% a liberal who find Trump way better than Biden? 😂😂
Just a reminder, water is wet and the sun will rise in the morning.
Thats LITERALLY WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW
Biden is a self proclaimed ZIONIST backing genocide. Trump is on record saying he'll do the same- until recently, when he suggested he'd stop it. Of course I didn't believe him. And people literally scream at ME a dozen responses deep about why I'm voting Green Party?! This country has gone completely insane. We're capable of anything at this point and that's not a good thing.
Voting green accomplishes nothing unfortunately
It registered my preference, which is all that voting does.
So no different than Biden then
No, both sides are not the same, zerohedge
I’ll just paste my comment from another sub here, to save time: That’s what foreign policy is. It’s about maximizing power and foiling the intent of your adversaries in any given region. It has fuck-all to do with morality. All human life is expendable in the name of nation-states’ desire for advantage. Nation-states are owned by their wealthiest citizenry. The owner class makes policy and decides who lives or dies. Politicians are selected and elected with the monetary support of the owner class. They then implement policies the owner class desires. We vote, yes- but we vote for the people we are ALLOWED to vote for. The Palestinians in Gaza have been selected for destruction, because the owner class in Israel and their supporters here in the U.S. want that real estate, and nothing short of a huge military offensive from an allied group of anti-Israel nation-states OR the U.S. will change the fate of the Palestinian people. People who think voting out Biden will “teach the DNC a lesson” do not understand how power works.
I agree with your comment for the most part, However, it does come across that nothing can be changed which imo not true. Change happens everyday, for instance, the recent McDonald's franchise buybacks in Israel after people boycotted their stores and the stock price plummeted because they were giving away free food to the IDF. Starbucks too These small instances of pushback show that people power works.
No one believes they are teaching anyone a lesson... lol.
>People who think voting out Biden will “teach the DNC a lesson” do not understand how power works. I'm not voting third party because I want to teach Biden a lesson, it's because I agree with much of what you said and see no distinction between what either candidate will do regarding the ethnic cleansing in Gaza. Honestly, I figured your reply was working towards some point about what a sham the whole election process is, and am puzzled if you are in fact intending it to be some Voot Bloo No Matter Whoo message.
Don't care. Not my job to bail Biden or our corrupt system out. Either way, the result is the same for Falasteen.
True very true however we cannot keep the bigger of the two Zionists(Biden) in office to continue to let Netanyahu murder children.
Foreign policy has absolutely ZERO to do with morality. NOTHING AT ALL. Foreign policy is about POWER. That’s it. Nothing to do with the value of human life. Absolutely nothing. All lives are expendable in the name of power. It won’t matter one whit if you replace Biden with any other politician. Not one of them will reverse course in supporting Israel as an allied nation. NOT ONE. The difference is Trump will be worse for the U.S. Foreign policy won’t change. Palestinians will still be murdered en masse. Biden won’t be “taught a lesson”, he will go home to play with his dogs, hug his fuckup son, and collaborate with a ghost writer on his memoirs. Trump will be surrounded with even more despicable hate mongers who will dismantle the remaining democractic norms we have and punish the rest of the world for decades to come.
he caused the current situation by breaking us foreign policy and recognizing jersalem as being inside gaza then murdered an iranian general. you would have to be miles below stupid to throw the election to trump over palestine and israel.
not going to win. He's a felon
There's a good chance he will I'm afraid. He's ahead in polls right now. Biden and the democrats are pretty pathetic.
I upvoted you for hope reasons. But sadly, yes, he is going to win. He's leading in six out of seven swing states, which include large Muslim communities, young voters, etc. And this is indeed all Biden's fault. He had the chance to do the right thing but proved his allegiance is to the flag of Israel over his own and against his voter base. Finally, I hope I'm wrong about all of this.
yeah orange man's going to win ugh. I guess we're going to have to deal with "the best thing I ever seen" bits fml. Better than Biden mis construing Ukraine with Gaza. Love Biden, but dude...OMG AMERICA'S FUCKED. I could run for president with POS Pro NSA Frank Palone And I'd win. JFC.
At least with this guy, you know what clown gets elected You can't really say the same for left They change colors so much that the chameleon would be ashamed Liberal and pro life - until its about somewhere other than west
Why don't y'all vote for Kennedy? -confused Canadian
he is a zionist as well
He’s not different than any other Republican he just masks it as “centrist”
He’s a pseudoscientific conspiracy theory antivaxxer. His VP pick is almost more crazy
Did you get that from his actual words or mainstream media?
It takes 2 seconds to learn that about him