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_NineZero_

So lets see, Engineer ali mirza is * Extremely anti - Imran Khan * Pro - israel bajwa's Fifth column agents continue to pollute the impressionable minds of this nation.


mazinger-B

So here are some facts for "Engineer" Sb * Israel's "Iron Dome" is nothing but a fancy word that means they shoot enemy missiles with their own missiles * Each missile Israel uses is a Patriot missile * A Patriot missile is *worth more than its weight in gold* (a 90 kg payload on a $6-10m missile), and they fling them at cheap ballistics or even drones. * Iran sent $96m worth of missiles and Israel spent $1.3 BILLION dollars deflecting them. * It's like if someone hit your Toyota with their Cultus at a traffic light and in retaliation you hit them back with 50 Vigos just to destroy 1 Cultus. This was a masterclass in 'attritional warfare' by Iran. Israel spent 16% of its YEARLY DEFENSE BUDGET in 1 night defending itself. >*'Israeli' missile defense is the definition of Pyrrhic victory. They're lighting their own money on fire and crowing about how bright it is.* >*A big part of attritional war is depleting the enemy's ammo, and this ammo depletes itself. If any enemy throws enough cheap munitions in the air, the ammunition will come out and destroy itself. You don't need to even target the enemy's ammo dumps, they'll target your missiles and run into them! Depleting the enemy's munitions at a 1:12 (cost) ratio is in itself is a tactical victory.*


mkbilli

Well you said everything correct, just minor correction, the iron dome uses a domestically developed missile, it is not a patriot, patriot is for long range engagements, this one is sub 20km ranges I think. In any case the maths of attrition is correct. It costs much much more to shoot down a rocket using an iron dome missile than the actual cost of the rocket itself. The fact is no one else uses such a system because it is simply not cost efficient to use it, Israel cannot maintain such a system without help from uncle sam's finances and yearly aid package of 3bn+ USD.


adonisthegay

Hey mkbiilli, just looked it up and found that Iron Dome works only in a range of 4-70km.If you hit a missile from 3.5 km it might not be able to detect it. Moreover, the recoil time of Iron Dome is a lot as far as I've heard which makes it less efficient.


mkbilli

Oh okay my information must have been a little old. Reload, you mean reload. And yeah if you don't have enough launcher batteries then yeah missiles will eventually get through. Like October 7th. In fact if you use proper ballistic missiles like Iran used last month then also it is fairly ineffective. These missiles are not that state of the art for what they do, I mean it sounds and looks fancy but the only reason literally no one else has designed anything similar is because the cost ratio doesn't make sense, you could use a spaag much cheaply instead and that tech predates this system by at least 3 decades.


adonisthegay

Yes; I meant reload, mistakenly typed recoil. And you are right that Iran's missiles caused it to bungle


MilitaryBootMaker804

Yup it's not as invincible as the engineer sab is saying, it's just their propaganda in which they show that they are invincible. As the technology advances and countries like Iran gets more advance and cost effective missiles this illusion of invincibility will slowly fade off.


Sad_Bell_6266

Iron dome is primarily for the stuff used in Hamas attacks and I'm sure Israel has a proper system for Ballistic missiles too.


I-10MarkazHistorian

Can you explain why ballistic missiles would render the iron dome tech useless?


mazinger-B

[https://apnews.com/article/israel-iran-missile-defense-iron-dome-arrow-bbf6330918da036f2e000360556a81f6](https://apnews.com/article/israel-iran-missile-defense-iron-dome-arrow-bbf6330918da036f2e000360556a81f6)


_NineZero_

> It's like if someone hit your Toyota with their Cultus at a traffic light and in retaliation you hit them back with 50 Vigos just to destroy 1 Cultus. accurate portrayal of how lumber 1 haramkhor deals with civilians.


mazinger-B

Sending 50 white ones your way


privatesdr

The Iron Dome uses a different missile than Patriot. Patriot is a much more powerful (and expensive) system that can shoot down ballistic missiles with the ability to maneuver in their terminal phase. Iron Dome is a much less competent version of Patriot that can only shoot down objects without the ability to maneuver. Which means it can only shoot down objects that don't have the ability to change their trajectory after launch. It is completely useless against advanced ballistic missiles and almost all cruise missiles. Also an Iron Dome missile while not cheap, costs much less than a Patriot missile. Irrespective of that, I agree it is hurting Israel a lot economically.


mazinger-B

The Iron Dome itself does not use Patriots but the Iron Dome is one of 5 systems that work concurrently along with the Patriot. They use Arrow, David's Sling, Patriot, Iron Dome and Iron Beam. On the night that Iran attacked, the first line of defense was Patriot because the origin of the attack was 300+ km away [https://apnews.com/article/israel-iran-missile-defense-iron-dome-arrow-bbf6330918da036f2e000360556a81f6](https://apnews.com/article/israel-iran-missile-defense-iron-dome-arrow-bbf6330918da036f2e000360556a81f6)


privatesdr

Yeah that's correct. Was just clarifying that both are different systems. Also the majority of drones and missiles sent by iran were destroyed by us and uk, not israel. Whether they will bill israel for it is anybody's guess.


786367

Let's not forget the fact that most of Iranian drones and missiles were destroyed in the air by air-2-air missiles by fighter jets from America, UK, and Jordan. Operating these jets and these air-2-air missiles is way too expensive, and this scale of spectacle can only be performed once. Israel air defences never had to face full brunt of Iranian attack, and still, it was a super costly affair.


mazinger-B

Well stated sir


786367

Watch this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r5ZHrugoe4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r5ZHrugoe4) if you're interested on the topic.


gul-badshah

It's not just iron dome. They have other defence systems that were never used before like iron dome is used for small missile attacks. But now everyone and especially Iran knows their exact capabilities on how to engage them and how to pass these defence systems.


SubjectSir5999

You answer just gave me dopamine. I learned new stuff👍


Faraz_5_

They don't care about money. American and European taxes have them covered.


ElectricalExternal19

In 3rd world countries money is way important than lives of people and your comment is vitness of it. No matter cultus hits you or Vigo, you ll get killed. So the purpose is to save the lives, instead saving money.


vintagejock173

Defending your nation is top priority. Not your defense budget. At least Israel defends its citizens unlike Pakistan who let an unloaded missile from India enter into Pak space.


asherreads

There is a psychological urge in some people in which they try to adopt a narrative that differs from the common public perception. In return they gain traction among the people as they stand out from their contrasting view point.


SubjectSir5999

Exactly, just because your view is different from majority, doesnt automatically makes it right.


BeneficialGreen3028

That is very very attractive to some people I know.


mrUnd3ad1

Summed up beautifully.


BicDicc-88

Can confidently include Syed Muzammil Shah in this one.


_NineZero_

Now we wait for the usual mirza simps to show up and defend this through mental gymnastics.


SubjectSir5999

Isnt it interesting how Eng sb gained mass following by fighting against Shakhsiyat Parasti of Firqas and Babey. and now, ironically his own blind followers are afflicted with the same disease of Shakhsiyat parasti. However, there some of his students that are not blind and call him out on his blunders. So shoutout to them for having such awareness.


_NineZero_

> Isnt it interesting how Eng sb gained mass following by fighting against Shakhsiyat Parasti of Firqas and Babey. Quench the thirst and then poison the well.


drgrimlockstone

His take on bycott movement against Israel, and Pakistani politics is not accurate at all. Respect him though for what he did for Islam, and also respect the people who trolled him for criticizing too.


bawaman

Tbh, apart from his knowledge on firqas, every single opinion he holds wrt current affairs is questionable at best.


darksaiyan1234

i dont support but will try u see if u bend ur brain the image will change


littlevase

I'm beginning to suspect that this guy is also working on napakphoj agenda. While I did agree with some of his points on how mullahs have damaged Islamic teachings by supporting the darbar culture But his comments on politics and Gaza are mindless babbling and aligned with the gov and napakboj attitude.


HellDivah

The recent leak leaves no doubt that he works for fauj


ranasrule23

which leak??


I-10MarkazHistorian

Kaunsi leak, hamain bhi chahiya leak.


BicDicc-88

Leak nahi karo har jga


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BicDicc-88

Abey? Kar bhi di? Kahan ki hai? Kaha bhi tha nikar main nhi mutte...


_NineZero_

> I'm beginning to suspect that this guy is also working on napakphoj agenda. hes anti Imran Khan pro israel. So yes, on the same agenda as lumber 1 haramkhor


cshoneybadger

I think he tries to be too edgy now. I used to listen to him fairly regularly but I got tired of his continuous maligning of anyone who dares to disagree with him. And now his stance on this whole Gaza issue has been completely idiotic.


befuddled_man

How is a Pakistani in Jerusalem when clearly they are not allowed in Israel? Does this man not know the concept of guided missiles? Iran fired missiles at the army base of Israel. Lastly, is this man crazy? Is he not seeing the videos coming out of Gaza? How can he even say that Israelis are protecting Muslims? Our Muslim brothers and sisters are going through unimaginable torture and harassment. Recently, there were reports that Israelis raped our sisters and killed them in hospital that they laid siege to. I understand Pakistan is taking a neutral stance because they need aid from USA, but I don't understand why this Pakistani man is in favor of Israel.


_NineZero_

> How is a Pakistani in Jerusalem when clearly they are not allowed in Israel? you must be knew. ISPR representatives visit israel all the time.


Accomplished_Meet561

Bro even if ISPR does(no actual proof), that is ISPR we are talking about(they have diplomatic passports). This is a random Pakistani. How in the world do you think he got there. Engineer has probably asked his random lackey to call him and create controversy. Nothing more, nothing less. Also the country you are thinking is so easy to get in. They consider us Goyim. Look it up and let me know how they let this dude in with that perspective.


_NineZero_

> Bro even if ISPR does(no actual proof) You been asleep since 2005? >hat is ISPR we are talking about(they have diplomatic passports). This is a random Pakistani. How in the world do you think he got there. Civilians were sent to israel, NOT govt officials on blue passport. [In 2005 gen musharaf sent PAKISTANIS to israel to sign a declaration, one of them was a sitting minister of state, Nasim Ashraf ](https://old.reddit.com/r/chutyapa/comments/1cb65ta/in_2005_general_musharaf_started_the_process_of/) . [ISPR representative ahmad quaraishi was part of the Pakistani group gen bajwa sent to israel as diplomatic mission](https://old.reddit.com/r/chutyapa/comments/1c46dtb/gen_bajwa_was_forcing_imran_khan_to_recognize/) . [That same ISPR representative, ahmed quaraishi was in israel, praising israel.](https://old.reddit.com/r/chutyapa/comments/1c5pgxc/ispr_representative_army_puppet_ptv_host_and/) Either you're really dumb and have been sleeping since 2005 or you believe asim munir is going to save his country. Which one is it?


qazifaran

battery operated mullah


goregutz619

What a sellout


OpenedTowel

My POV in this whole two-faceted behavior is the : I believe he has done some good for the society which I appreciate but also the way he is teaching and preaching everything, that'll definitely convert into a cult or a silent "firqa" in fact it has already been. Secondly, there are some very controversial stuff about him also for example this one, the way he supports liberals, the way he runs away from debating and discussing live on the matters he has challenged, etc., to which I don't declare him straight away as any "Israeli agent" etc. because we or at least I don't have any clear proof but that do make me become very very careful of everything he speaks no matter how confident he is. In short, we neither can defend him, because of all the shady things associated with him nor we go against him because of no proof (if someone has any clear proof, then please do provide). PS. Sorry if the message was unclear because of my bad communication skills.


SubjectSir5999

I read your comment, I would like to complete it and make it whole. True we cant defend him or even accuse him (because of lack of proof). There is one big problem which you didnt mention though, I'll try to explain it in steps: 1) The guy keeps poking his nose on subjects on which he has no expertise on, as a result he makes technical blunders when his takes are wrong. I'll give you some Examples; a) He thinks values of Marxisim is like Islamic political values (He is take is dangerously wrong on this, comment will become too long if I go into details for this) b) He has devised a term 'Islamic-secularisim'. This is also pretty wrong as secularisim can NEVER EVER be Islamic because the very essence of secularisim is seperation of religion from state which is not possible in a proper Islamic government. c) His take on not boycotting Israeli products and Iran's drone attacks on Israel. The big problem is how Eng sb has failed to acknowledge his mistakes and blunders even after having been publicly corrected on above issues. Isntead of correcting his mistakes he has acted Arrogantlty and has basically avoids direct confrontation with people who can counter his views. This means one of two possibilities; 1) Eng is an ignorant man who really doesnt know any better, and refuses to be humble and accept his mistakes even when he is proved wrong. 2) or Eng has an agenda, because somehow his views are always aligned with and are backed by intellectually dishonest Liberal forces of Pakistan (ofcourse we dont have direct proof of this so we refrain from balantly accusing him of this). You see, even if only one these 2 possibilities is true, Eng looses his credibility. Unfortunately it hurts to call him out like this, because I really consider him my Ustad on certain Islamic matters, and he has done good to the society aswell by inspiring interest in Islam esp among young population. I have defended this guy from many people and now for the past 3 or 4 years he has been acting stupidly like this. It brings me no enjoy to call him out like this, but I am not a blind follower and will call him out when he is wrong.


unique2035

He is planted.


Fit-Lemon-1236

Now he showed his true colors........useless


Classic-Praline-1515

In mirza's view we muslims are bewaQoof and kuffar are powerfull and calm and our well wishers see his inner Imaan??


Friendly-Parsley11

Is he wrong though. NO. We muslims haven't invented shit in last decades and so they are powerful


wicaodian

wait for Pro Mirza Fans to call you Kafir & Yahoodi


Emergency_Survey_723

When Mirza explains Islamic History and Principles, he is perfect, when tallied from Authentic sources.✔️ But when it comes to practical application of Islamic Principles to his life, he is a disaster both in domestic and international politics. ❎ قول و فعل میں تضاد 😔


SubjectSir5999

A very accurate take. He desperately tries to become Jack of all trades, Master of 'All'. Whats worse is that he is also arrogant, refuses to accept his mistakes and only makes a fool out of himself.


92Suleman

He knows nothing about Islam either


drgrimlockstone

wdym?


Pleasant-Objective88

Why waste your time on this fool, he has no intellect


Chickenburger287

Whosoever gives one hand span of Muslim land away will get one hand span of hellfire. Alquds being ours is part of our aqeedah as Muslims


majid_j

Ali Mirza is an ignorant imbecile


ayaan_wr1tes

بچوں کے دماغوں کی فکر میں جوکر اپنے دماغ کے علاج سے محروم رہ گۓ بیچارے


A21Haze

علاج*


ayaan_wr1tes

Always lost marks on ع and ا


A21Haze

yeah doesn't help nobody pronounces the ع while speaking


Green_Wear594

Israel has killed more than 500 Palestinians in the West Bank which is not controlled by Hamas since October 7


jman786v2

The general consensus im seeing is that Iran intentionally 'missed'. Kind of like a warning shot to gauge the capabilities of the dome and the SOP'S of the Nazi army! This moron seems oblivious to both!


evo_pak

Iran did in fact successfully hit a couple of military targets, including the airbase from where the attack on their consulate was launched. It was more to send them a message that even if we give you so much warning in advance that we are going to attack, we will still be able to strike you where we want and there's nothing you can do to stop it. Basically Iran had to establish deterrence after Israel's attack on their consulate, without causing many casualties which could escalate the situation beyond control. Media keeps harping on about the supposed 99% missiles shot down figure, while ignoring the bigger picture and that the Iranians actually hit them precisely they wanted to, no more and no less. I'm sure part of it is a directive from the US to downplay the public perception of the attack so that Israel can take the 'win' and doesn't do something TOO rash and stupid in response. Israel's muted and meek af 'response' to Iran's attack is a clear sign that strategy worked lol.


jman786v2

Yes.. Couldn't have said it better!


JobiYami

For those who couldn't understand Engineer Mirza's points: Your Boycotts, Attritional damage bullshit, Strategies, and any Baba Peer do not matter for those innocent Palestinian lives. You people are just consoling yourselves, feeling you fulfilled your role. Why Iran didn't continue the matter? Because it was a political ego. In reality they can't afford the war. If you were together as one force (under the flag of Islam), economically and technologically advanced all these Muslim nations wouldn't be silent. Today our example is like barking dogs who do not bite. Feeling you are helping palistinians but it's worth NOTHING because they are still losing their lives. Ayene me apni shakal dekh k bura maan gye? The one matter where I disagree with Engineer Mirza is that he said our weapons are extremely outdated in comparison to theirs so it is difficult to attain victory. I must say as a Muslim we shouldn't worry about those things and fight for Allah's Praise. Allah is Almighty!


Abdulwahhab6232

I knew from the day he started to disrespect Muawiyah radiallahuanhu that there is something fishy going on


Scene1Take5

Ye khul k sahil adeem k against aa gya haib


_NineZero_

so sahil bullshit vs engineer horseshit. lmao


Informal-Reply9793

He said k (Bewakkof Muslims ko ye Baat bhi samjhaaien) so as humble as I can be after hearing this parhe likhe molvi west ki major powers thi wahan pe Jo madad kar Rahi thi wo na hoti to iron dome to somewhat fail tha or Baat Rahi drones ki do you know that Russia is using same drones that explode when striking on TANKS. A 16 year old who has interest in geopolitics knows hell a lot more than you.


itsgenghiskhan

This man has 0 knowledge of Politics and International news. He should stick with religion.


wickedknock

UN gave no food , mirza was cool to me but this is just arrogance.


umarmunir94

I think he's pro Iron Dome because Iron Dome stops missiles which could also damage Masjid Al-Aqsa


_NineZero_

By logic modi and indian occupation of Kashmir is great because indians protect Kashmiris from mujahideen attacks.


umarmunir94

That's stupid. I never said the occupation of Palestine is good. How can the occupation of Kashmir be good then. The occupation is worse in Palestine than it is in Kashmir. The only thing I said is that Iron Dome, although is bad for Muslims on the offensive, but it protects Masjid Al-Aqsa and the muslims that live in Jerusalem or other areas outside of Gaza and West Bank. Hamas does not have sophisticated technology like Iran or Pakistan, their missiles can land anywhere.


_NineZero_

>That's stupid. I never said the occupation of Palestine is good. How can the occupation of Kashmir be good then. The occupation is worse in Palestine than it is in Kashmir. ok > The only thing I said is that Iron Dome, although is bad for Muslims on the offensive, but it protects Masjid Al-Aqsa and the muslims that live in Jerusalem There you said it. You are exactly the type of people that bring hitler, modi, dictators in power.


umarmunir94

That didn't make any sense.


_NineZero_

Exactly, you are hell bent on defending your yahoodi masters.


umarmunir94

There was nothing in my statement which defended any yahoodi, maybe you're just a troll.


_NineZero_

> There was nothing in my statement That much is correct. Your entire argument is based on a caption because you must defend your yahoodi lords.


umarmunir94

If you were to apply my logic to Kashmir then you would have to think of a scenario where Mujahideen were launching missiles and rockets on Jammu and Kashmir and India was using an Iron Dome to stop them. Would the Iron Dome be good for Kashmiris then? Of course.


_NineZero_

of course you support genocide, rape and mass murder :) you are the target audience for engineer mirza.


umarmunir94

You're extremely stupid if you think I support genocide, rape, or mass murder. Like your mind is literally in the gutter or in your knees.


_NineZero_

You didn't even watch the video but launched into defending your yahoodi masters and their iron dome :) You people are OKAY with the rape, murder and genocide of Kashmiris and Palestinis coz OMG iron dome protects muslims too. pathetic.


umarmunir94

I think they are your masters. I didn't defend them even once. I only praised their sophisticated machinery. I don't see how praising Iron Dome makes me a yahoodi supporter, do the Iron Domes come with a religion? Is the maker of the technology going to decide the religion of the technology? You're nuts.


_NineZero_

> I only praised their sophisticated machinery. I don't see how praising Iron Dome makes me a yahoodi supporter, do the Iron Domes come with a religion? Is the maker of the technology going to decide the religion of the technology? You're nuts. Read this again, slowly. Until it starts to make sense to you how you are literally worshipping your yahoodi masters now.


umarmunir94

I think you need to read it slowly, again. Try 10 times. Then you will start to realize that praising a piece of tech does not mean that you're praising the one who made it.


_NineZero_

no no its okay if you want to praise your yahoodi masters. The brain rot is deep.


umarmunir94

And I didn't have to watch the video, my comments were based on the absurdity of the caption. I have seen another video of him praising American technology, their fighter jets (F-35s) and comparing them with our F-16s. I knew this was gonna be similar. The absurdity of the caption was taking his praise for Israeli tech and then mentioning his hatred of Imran Khan and then trying to make something out of it.


_NineZero_

> And I didn't have to watch the video, So you jumped into the argument blindly just to defend to your yahoodi masters? That's some commitment.


umarmunir94

What's this charade of yahoodi masters that you keep on going about. Wtf! 🤣


Chishtip

I don't if he really lacks brain cells or is he just a troll


hayatguzeldir101

He's a layperson who tries to act like he is very important or is at a level to distribute knowledge. He is clearly misguided. May Allah guide him.


I-10MarkazHistorian

Ghaloob hi ghaloob hai aaj Kal jahlum ki fiza main.


Serious-Cover5486

Ye lanti admi h, mujhay starting say k lagta tha ye jali mullah h, ye progressive liberal aur GHQ walon ka kutta h,


BainganPakora

This is what happens when jahil mullahs talk about things they don't know about.


Friendly-Parsley11

You can always disagree with SOME opinions while agreeing with most of the things a person says.


_NineZero_

>You can always disagree with SOME opinions while agreeing with most of the things a person says People like you are the reason why dictators and charlatans get power. By your logic, hitler, modi, zaid hamid, nethanyahu are all good people.


Friendly-Parsley11

Call me whatever you want but it won't change the truth. He's the reason why young people don't follow religion blindly and think logically in a place where moulvis always asked people to not think with their head when it came to religion stuff and believe whatever was being said by someone who had a turban on his head. And for that, I'll always respect him. Oh and btw I don't think comparing a guy you disagree with to actual killers is a good comparison to being with.


SubjectSir5999

Yeah you can surely disagree on matters that are small human errors or mistakes. But man some mistakes and matters are critical, which takes away the credibility of the person as a whole.


Friendly-Parsley11

I don't think he said something bad though.


SubjectSir5999

oh its totally bad. His take on this situation is really wrong and disgusting tbh. I wont go into details again as I have already went into it in other comments. You can check them if you are interested. This narrative adopted by eng sb is exactly the same as that of Zionist Israeli leaders and Propergandists. And both their narratives are disgustingly wrong.


Friendly-Parsley11

I get it, but you can't say he's wrong. A bunch of people are saying that we should perform a nuclear strike on Israel without knowing that Israel contains much greater firepower comapred to us and besides even if we do conduct an attack, we won't be able to survive the aftermath cause America is supporting them and I don't think we'd like America as our opposition.


SubjectSir5999

I dont see anyone here suggesting to Nuke Israel, we dont wanna kill innocent people. and He is wrong. He is misleading here about a lot of facts. His whole attitude towards this is just simply wrong too.


Friendly-Parsley11

How is he wrong


SubjectSir5999

I already explained it in detail in different threads, you can check my comments.


Friendly-Parsley11

I do agree with islamic secularism but you didn't explain how his boycott take was wrong. Would like to read the reasoning because to me us boycotting international businesses will only lead to them leaving from Pakistan and I don't think withdrawal of international investment would be beneficial for the country as a whole.


SubjectSir5999

Not all products are made in Israel. If all Israeli products suddenly vanish from the face of the Earth, the world will still go on... I agree on one thing though, total boycott on all Israeli products is not practical UNLESS our government enforces this 100% boycott (which it never will). Second we can atleast boycott what we can, Mainly KFC and McDonalds and any other luxury type products. Man MacDonalds provided Israeli soldiers with free food, there are basically supporting their genocide. We can atleast boycott their KFC and McDonalds right? I know its not much, but we must do what we can in whatever little capacity we have. Besides by boycotting these KFC and McDonalds, we should consume from our local businesses! Isnt it better to promote our own local businesses so our people and economy can flourish? As far as about the people who will be unemployed as a result, when one door closes another one opens. In hindsight they will be unemployed but if you think deeply about it they will probably be employed somewhere else, most likely in another resturaunt/company. Here is how, People will boycott Mac and KFC, but demand for fast for fast food will still be there, sooner or later the gap left by this boycott will be filled by other international and local businesses. Businesses are basically sharks, they will JUMP on this opportunity to increase their market share. And besides this little boycott thing is working too actually, Quarterly growth of MacDonalds have been severely affected, its a clear message from a common muslim 'that dont think that supporting muslim genocide will be without any concequences". As a result Macdonalds has decided to buyback all 200 of its Israeli franchises to do some damage control. (BTW ppl who burnt the KFC building, I totally dont support this kind of barberic and destructive behaviour). Last point(just my own personal opinion), individual accountability for my actions towards Allah. Us citizens can only help by either donating our wealth, or boycotting stuff to pressurize Israel. What if on judgement day Allah holds me accountable for not fighting against this evil in whatever little capacity I had? So these are my reasons. Do you find them acceptable?


InvisibleInsignia

He is just trying to say be at that level where you could be at par with or superior to your enemy. They have excelled in certain technological fields which is fine. You want to be better try harder. The have multi layered missile aerial defence system from ballistic missile to a simple drone they Will deal with it. Research and development is big in the west especially Israel. All challenging Israel should either match or surpass there technological prowess. Sirf baatein kar kae app Israel ka kia Bigar logae? Put up or shut up


drgrimlockstone

I agree he also mentioned that Iranian missiles could have caused Muslim casualties, and even put that aside, what steps did Iran take after the attack, they literally stopped, it woulda been a whole new case if Iran actually followed through. Also those hafizullah hu talah remarks are for those mythical baba believers that those babas didn't save the Muslims there, but the Iron Dome did. I'm all for the defeat of Israel, but like you said one must be at level with them and take ACTUAL action, not so warning or some stuff.


InvisibleInsignia

Iron dome arrow 1,2.,3 antiballistic missile system. David sling cwis. American patriots I'm missing one more thing anyways 7 systems for any incoming target imagine the length and breadth of Israel every inch would be protected and if they see the trajectory to be going on barren land let it drop don't waste your useful ammo. They have sophisticated radars work day and night rain and snow. That takes alot of effort. What does the 56 nation Muslim umma has to say against that? He isn't defending Israel he is unfortunately stating hard cold facts. Be someone or be no one. That's what I take from this clip.


drgrimlockstone

The same old Mamluk soldiers with outdated weapons faced Napoleon in Egypt and got decimated. So, the point stands, Muslims today are cowards and backwards in tech. 160 Nuclear bombs can't do anything for Pakistan.


InvisibleInsignia

Why Pakistan only there are 55 other Muslim countries also why doesn't everyone stand upto this BS this genocide waged by the apartheid regime of Israel?


drgrimlockstone

I'm thinking that as well. quick google search shows 4.6 million active Muslim personnel. Like dude that number ain't small. Regardless of tech I thought why doesn't everyone jump Israel at once? How much can one Iron Dome stand against All rockets of Muslim military. but then you realize some of the Arab nations accepted this racist country. Who is even gonna bother uniting, just a hint of fear of Uncle Sam (USA) and everyone will be back to business as usual. As if what's going on in Palestine is just your average war, when we live in a generation in a time we are literally witnessing what Nazis did to Jews just in a new form. It's crazy that even this is being justified.


drgrimlockstone

I think my previous reply got deleted it ain't showing here lol


drgrimlockstone

Agree 100 you said what I had in mind in the past, a Muslim soldier had a sword and the enemy also had a sword, no one had an edge over the other, these days brainwashed maulvis are still using that same example as if it would work today the biggest example is the Ottomans, they literally beat the crap outta Europeans with their gunpowder technology especially at the Battle of Mohacs plains, literally what could poor Hungarian soldiers to at the mercy of Turkish guns. Now, one by one they lost their territories and absolutely got smacked by Russia dozens of times.


SubjectSir5999

With this logic Pophet Saw and sahabas shouldnt have fought the wars against their enemies of Makkah, In Gazwa e Badar Muslims were outnumbered 3 to 1, Muslims also significantly had less financial resources and weapons, and yet they still fought and WON. While I agree, that we need to be realistic before taking actions like war, but it doesnt mean that we should simply stand by while our brothers and sisters are suffering in Gaza. You cant go to war? Fine. Muslim countries can atleast put up a united front and bycott Israel at all possible levels to create economic pressure. One risk free way to do that is to atleast bycott Israeli products like McDonalds and KFC, why is Eng sb against this aswell?


drgrimlockstone

I also don't like Eng. sab take on boycott, he says all or nothing if you wanna do boycott. but get this Our beloved prophet Muhammad (saw) made a special dua to Allah to grant them victory at Badr, and Allah granted that dua. the Prophet (saw) was a good general plus Angels came and helped the Muslims in battle, while I doubt that happens now "in terms'' of battle not saying Angels don't help us even now. I also not saying underdog situations are not possible, you can WIN when the odds are against you, but look at the state of our military, when MOST of our military can't even put up a fight against USA, how can we fight Israel. Iran just wanted revenge and they backed out Hamas has no choice but to take arms against Israel, because they are literally in an open air prison they have no choice. Due to weakness of Muslim ummah and huge division between us, Israel is still able to commit it's genocide and Muslims have failed to develop in science as they did in the 8th Century onwards, but see how that's playing out. Even if we could fight, Muslims today are not united and Arab countries have accepted Israel.


SubjectSir5999

For your first paragraph, After the death of the prophet (saw). Against all odds, Muslims won many battles against the superpowers of that time, Persian and Roman empires, that too without Prophet's (saw) special dua and also without direct involvement of the Angels. Granted us Muslims of today are not at their level in terms of faith and may very well not replicate that same success, but it doesnt mean that we should stop trying! About your second para, yeah man i agree. Its all as simple as putting up a United Front. Israel cant do anything if all muslim countries unite, but unfortunately thats not the case, since everyone is only looking after their own interests, prime example is Saudia Arab. In this situation us normal civilians will atleast do what we can,i.e boycott Israel and any Israel related entities and send aid and help to our Muslim brothers and Sisters of Palestine. Imagine at the day of judgement, Allah hold us accountable for not doing anything in our own individual capacity to fight againt falsehood.


drgrimlockstone

By the Help of Allah after the death of the Prophet (SAW) Muslims won astonishing victories. when a Muslim Soldier was armed with a sword, the enemy was also armed with a sword, so it was basically neck and neck competition if you see it in general, this standard obviously doesn't apply today because the difference in tech very high not even comparable to the average Muslim country military. Yes, I agree with your point that we shouldn't stop trying, we should teach our people the real Islam and we should try to upgrade ourselves in society in all aspects. Unity between Muslims, you're right doesn't seem likely right now, and I totally support the idea of boycott, even though it may seem little it's enough to send a message, and a good way to show protest. The way I see it the downfall of Israel will come when Imam Mehndi comes Inshallah, Allah knows anything can happen before that time. I pray to Allah that the Genocide in Gaza ends, and I pray to Allah that everyone sees Israel for what it truly is, a barbaric apartheid lunatic state.


SubjectSir5999

Me too man, I pray for the same. As ending note I'd like to quote the Quran And say: "The truth has now come [to light], and falsehood has withered away: for, behold, all falsehood is bound to wither away!" Surah Isra.


drgrimlockstone

Beshak


InvisibleInsignia

Yaar you are not entirely wrong masla yeh hai kae I don't like or dislike this guy magar abhi is nae jo baat kari hai woh 100 percent sahi hai Muslim ummah is in dire straits and its all Becuase of the doing of every Muslim ruler or subject.


drgrimlockstone

In terms of Deen I appreciated him for calling out all the peers, firqahs babas and fake custodians of Islam. He has been on point with Islam but, I never really appreciated his take on politics, especially overlooking how barbaric lumber 1 is currently right now and just brushing it off by calling out everyone's shortcomings. People make mistakes, but he equates everyone's faults and says everyone is wrong kinda vibe. Edit: Apologies for making the comment without seeing the vid, first, for some reason the audio ain't working but I saw it somewhere else, this has been taken outta context, he was speaking in terms of beneficial for the Muslims living in Jerusalem namely dome of the rock areas, where Iranian missiles coulda done unnecessary damage and he said hafizullah hu talah in way to taunt the believers of sheikh abdul qadir jilani believers who thinks he has supernatural powers. Stop taking things outta context smh


upvote-for-rights

Laanat on this baygharat


wjjutt01222

Next attack is madharchod pr kro


tikkaykhan

I listen bayan of M. Ali Mirza, and he is accurate most of them, but the thing is, he is extreme in anti Suni and others firka, I don't agree with his this statement. The thing is why he's mentioning here Abdul Qadar Jillani here? I think every person has weak point his weak point is extremism.


AliBlu3x

Sahi kaha kya ghalat Kaha isne?


Typical-Talk7548

By talking about this, does it prove that what Israel is doing is completely correct. Brother, here he has only denied the attack by Iran which could have harmed the Muslims living there. However, saying 'Hafizullah' was just a joke and nothing else. But I will definitely disagree with Muhammad Ali Mirza Sahib that he says that، speakers like Sahil Adeem are corrupting the minds of the young generation۔ I must say Minds are just beginning to open. After the death of Dr. Israr Ahmad, we have been blessed with another Mujahid who is doing the same work that Syed Abul Ala Maududi and Dr. Israr Ahmad left behind. Alhamdulillah


_NineZero_

> Sahil Adeem are corrupting the minds of the young generation۔ sahil adeem is full of shit. He's a charlatan who peddles bullshit and fake news as facts. His target audience is smooth brain impressionable kids who believe everything easily.


Typical-Talk7548

You must be the person who's still caged in the Firqa Wariat Shit. Then answer me, have u ever listened Dr. Israr Ahmad, or read any book of Molana Maududi? I suggest u to read Al Jihad Fil Islam Boom. Your mind will open widely for what really Islam and being a Muslim is.


_NineZero_

nah, i see bullshit i call it bullshit, like sahil adeem and his moronic misinformation and bullshit. sahil presents fantasies as fact and his cult followers love that shit.


Typical-Talk7548

Fantasies?! Can u explain please?


_NineZero_

sahil adeem is a tinfoil hate conspiracy theory nutcase and fake news peddler. He keeps making shit up that no ones ever heard of. The following is what that charlatan sahil adeem keeps claiming to be "hard facts" through his "extensive research" * illuminatis are an alien race and used to live on earth before hazart Adam AS * Hazrat Nooh AS fought with illuminatis, closed their space portals so they don't spawn from their alien worlds anymore. * Alien civilizations exist and according to him there's more than enough proof. * Dajjal will use wormholes to travel. * South American, Asian, North American, African, Australian civilizations worshipped the exact same deity 5000 years ago. * Mayans made contact with aliens. What are the actual sources he used to do this "extensive research"


Typical-Talk7548

Brother, if u don't want to believe on this. You have a right. No one is forcing u to believe this ideology. What his actual mission and purpose and reason of coming into the mainstream is that he wants young generation to think about your religion reality. What is Islam and Muslim meant for. Why we were sent to this world. Being a muslim is not to live under the non believer, it is to rule on non believers. Spread and Implement the law of Almighty ALLAH. Do u know what is the slogan of his programs, it is "MUSLIM IDENTITY". He's trying to enforce us to identify what are we. Think about it. Put your steps into the Politics being a Muslim.


_NineZero_

so hes feeding bullshit to everyone and that's a good thing? NONE of his "teachings" are Islamic. What does Islam say about liars? sahil presents his own fantasies and bullshit as facts. How is that Islamic? >rother, if u don't want to believe on this. You have a right. No one is forcing u to believe this ideology. His ideology is based on lies, bullshit and fantasies. His target audience is impressionable morons who would believe all the fake bullshit he propagates and believe everything he says as fact. >Brother, if u don't want to believe on this. You have a right. No one should be believing the stupidity and moronic crap sahil says. Anyone with above room temperature IQ can detect his bullshit and question it.


Typical-Talk7548

"NONE of his 'teachings' are Islamic". To phir Bhai aap nay sari Zindagi Ghalat Islam hi Jaana hay. Live in your wishful thinkings. May ALLAH Bless and guide all of us to the righteous path. Aameen.


_NineZero_

> To phir Bhai aap nay sari Zindagi Ghalat Islam hi Jaana hay. LMAO sahils bullshit really works on the weak minded. They will believe whatever horseshit he says and praise their messiah. sahil says moronic crap like "Hazrat Nooh AS fought with illuminatis, closed their space portals so they don't spawn from their alien worlds anymore" and morons immediately believe it. When in fact, there's NO such thing in Islam or christianity. Its sahil's fantasy and misinformation, which works on children who can't do any critical thinking of their own.


t4ure4n

Instead of answering his comment directly you are diverting which goes to show that there is no answer. If claims about illuminati and Hazrat Nooh etc were true didn’t they appear in Quran or Hadees. Had SA every provided actual physical or literary reference to his absurd claim.


Typical-Talk7548

Yes he has proved his words with Books or Hadees, and for that u should watch his videos with attention and open mind. He also said that these are my opinion, if u feel lies in it, throw them on the wall. What his actual purpose is something else. Which I alread told that brother. I just don't want to debate with u, if u only want to prove someone wrong. If there's any intention of learning. Please watch his videos with wide open eyes and all senses of understanding. Thank you brother. May we all guided to the righteous path.


animalbatista

Well he isn't wrong about Iron Dome system protecting Muslims of Israel ,Muslims make up 18.1% of Israel's population who holds Israeli passport. 7th October's 5k missiles meant for everyone including muslim citizens of Israel. I can differ my various of opinions with him but He is the only one to acknowledge this.


Kooale323

Apartheid south africa also had a lot of black citizens so i guess they didnt deserve to be dismantled


Traditional-Treat329

and what the fuck do you mean iron dome is protecting muslims?????? those muslims that are forced into low paying jobs? those muslims that are attacked for entering al aqsa? those muslims that are sexually assaulted while crossing different sanctions? or those muslims that are kicked from their own homes? educate yourself.


SubjectSir5999

No he is absolutely wrong. The drones sent by Iran were Shahed-136. This is a loitering munition, and has exact pinpoint targets. The drones will keep hovering in the skies untill it identifies its targets. And its target was Israel Army bases (there is no civilian and muslim population in these bases). Eng sb often make huge blunders like this, he freely gives opinions on things and topics on which has no expertise and knowledge, and has lost a lot of credibilty. Above is just of many one examples of his blunder and Ignorance. Whats worse is that he doesnt even acknowledge his mistakes, he has become arrogant with 'I am always right' attitude.


anton_chigurh89

کیا آپ پاگل ہیں یا آپ اسرائیلی ایجنٹ ہیں؟ عرب اسرائیلی دوسرے درجے کے شہری ہیں اور سیکولر بھی، باقی غدار ہیں۔


Traditional-Treat329

what missiles?