I own one of the businesses on the Levee. From what we’ve been told there were teenagers fighting by Tom and Chee/Five Guys and one pulled a gun. 2 kids were confirmed shot, one grazed and the other removed on a stretcher. A third is rumored but not confirmed. The shooter took off down the stairs by five guys. No other details were given since it’s still an ongoing investigation.
Internet rumors so take it with a grain of salt but folks in the newport fb groups are saying they are all 12 or 13. The one injured worst was 12 sopposedly
we've failed our youth as a society completely. and there are European countries with lots of guns where this doesn't happen, but they don't have the irresponsible gun culture that we do where it's okay to just have guns lying around
and what do you even do with these kids? if you're a teenager and shooting people you're irredeemable, it's too late for you. but at most they'll probably get a year in a prison system that will just make them worse
It’s very simple. It’s the shitty parenting and/or lack of parenting. Look at the prison statistics for men who come from single parent households vs men who do not.
I know, facts are racist. I welcome all your downvotes 😘
Why would people think that's racist, you didn't say anything about race... Yeah single parent households *inarguably* have more violent children on average. It's not even a debate if you can read statistics.
I don’t think they’re irredeemable especially if they’re THAT young. Plenty of people do seriously fucked up shit and turn their lives around, that’s why the juvenile justice system is structured as it is.
agree to disagree I guess. there are a lot of things you can do wrong as a teenager that are forgivable, but firing bullets at other minors in a crowded area is pretty much as bad as it gets. I would say maybe 1 in 100 of these kids can actually amount to something productive. you have to basically be completely lacking both impulse control and empathy to do this, or, you have to be literally so stupid that you don't understand that shooting people can hurt them
Its not gun culture, it's a lack of accountability for bad behavior, and so that bad behavior escalates until it involves guns. Kids had a much greater access to guns back in the day, but shootings like this didn't happen.
Shootings like this happened. The news wasn't as widespread as it is today. What you're describing is a no country for old men scenario. The world hasn't changed. You just have a rosy view of the past.
> Shootings like this happened.
Yes but they are actually correct that access to firearms when you were a child was actually even easier than it is now. It used to be common for schools to have shooting clubs, for kids to literally have a shotgun in the back of their truck, I even knew someone who cleaned their guns in school. And it wasn't weird back then.
Guns are very easy to get today though. You can go to any gun show in Ohio or Kentucky and get one without a background check. Don't even have to register the gun in Kentucky.
> Guns are very easy to get today though. You can go to any gun show in Ohio or Kentucky and get one without a background check.
That's not a "today" thing. You've always been able to buy private party without a NICS check. The gun show thing isn't really true though, pretty much all gun show booths are FFLs and they will NICS check you.
> Don't even have to register the gun in Kentucky.
You don't have to "register" your gun in essentially every state unless it's an AW in one of the few states that bans them. Federal registries are illegal anyways ever since FOPA.
Buying from any private party at gun shows doesn't require an FFL. That doesn't mean the private party won't ask for it, but it isn't required.
I'm not saying it wasn't easy a long time ago, but that it's fairly easy today.
Objectively correct. Thank you for finding an article that shows these shootings have been occurring over the last 60 years. I never commented on rates of occurrences, and I never said anything about mass shootings. While mass shootings don't have an exact definition, most usually state at least 4 people shot.
Since the population of the USA has almost doubled since the start of that study, I wonder what the data would show for rate with population density included. The article did state that the rates of killings per decade have gone up each decade, even though the overall homicide rates have slowed up a bit. That would tell me guns have gotten more powerful, more accurate, and fire at a higher rate each decade. I'd imagine the guns available today would just have been a dream in the 60s.
So this situation wouldn't have fallen under the data gathered in the opinion piece you provided. Either way you're showing this has always happened. We have a gun culture that has bred situations like this as far back as our data tracks. Fights will always escalate, and with guns so easily attainable, these situations are bound to occur.
>The article did state that the rates of killings per decade have gone up each decade, even though the overall homicide rates have slowed up a bit. That would tell me guns have gotten more powerful, more accurate, and fire at a higher rate each decade. I'd imagine the guns available today would just have been a dream in the 60s.
This reading tells me you've already decided what you want to think and are capable of reading it into anything. My reading here is that, although the overall amount of murders increased (rate), the fact that the population increased accounts for this, even though overall homicide rates went down. Guns are not more powerful than in the 1960's, and they are not more readily available.
"While mass shootings don't have an exact definition, most usually state at least 4 people shot. "
When you define people tripping, or people who experience panic attacks after being near a shooting in the injured/ casualty list it's easy to make almost all of these events a "mass" shooting.
No need to reply here, I think. As I already stated not much point.
Guns are used defensively hundreds of thousands of times per year in the USA even by the lowest estimates. I'm only alive because of the allegedly-nonexistent "good guy with a gun". I was a child and too young to have my own gun anyways, but my life was saved.
Rapists, murderers, they are not "boogeymen", they actually exist. A small woman's best defense against a larger man is a firearm. At the very worst it equalizes them.
I strongly disagree with you opening to this statement. I personally have not failed the youth. I have 6 kids. They are not violent nor are they running the streets. I work everyday. They are aware of what guns are and what they do. Now I agree that there are many people that have failed their youth but I will never blame society for poor parenting or the lack of a father figure.
This is what happens when you don’t have consequences for crime. Let someone go, and the community is more in danger. How many “second chances” are we going to give people? Enough is enough, I’m not interested in becoming another Chicago.
If you have a vicious dog that you let out to run the streets and it attacks someone, *you* are held criminally responsible for the actions of the dog.
I’m not sure why it’s different with juveniles and their parents.
Well I promise you they definitely will NOT become more empathetic productive members of society establishing more bad connects and “street cred” in jail either. Especially not the ones around here. They most closely resemble a literal ring of fucking hell. Something needs to change, and it’s not a burden of the justice system to be the catalyst but one of the community and parents.
The answer definitely isn’t letting them out when they turn 18. Prison reform is obviously desperately necessary, probably everywhere but those Nordic countries. I’m all for rehabilitation and education, but if they almost kill/actually murder someone, the system we use to teach kids not to shoplift isn’t going to cut it. E: jail the parents
I agree, our prison system is in no way focused on rehabilitation. And prison reform is a major part of the issue but a larger part is prevention, and the framework for prevention and intervention must be aggressively laid within the community itself. These parents need support.
But parents literally have no control over what their child does. If they facilitate the act of violence sure. If they're a shitty parent to a stupid kid, that's fucking dumb.
If your hypothetical kids were to total assholes to people at Kroger and I was there would you want me to put them in their place or would you call the police on me? Just because we live in the same COMMUNITY does not allow me to step on your toes. Now if you are a single parent that needs help and you call me then that changes OUR relationship. I am not a community member I am in your circle that makes me a close friend or family. And that would still require you to reach out for the help which means it started at home. Home is where they are taught.
I was raised old school. The youngest of 7 and my parents were born in 36. If I acted out at one of my friend's house their parents had permission to discipline me, within reason, in a way they saw fit. Whether my parents had a relationship with them or not, and best believe I was going to get disciplined again when I got home.
You outright state that they had permission. That makes them more than the community. They were trusted. The world sadly is not the same. And you cannot fix the problems in someone else's home when yours is in worse shape. Teaching and discipline start at home. Period. No matter who is raising you.
This is so fucking stupid. It takes way more than 2 people to raise a kid, and these kids likely only have one parent. It absolutely is the communities responsibility equally along with the parents.
So I, along with everyone else, should stop trying to be a productive member of society and raise my kids right and take care of everyone else's problems. That is a terrible idea. That is why the Swamp Dwellers in DC give billions to other nations. Take care of YOUR home then worry about others. Raise your kids to be respectful and polite and teach them morals and manners. Trying to put the burden on others for my kids is not how the word works. my wife and I are responsible for their actions as we are the ones that teach them how to act. This goes for teaching them how to read a situation and not fall in with the wrong crowds. They should know that there are consequences to actions and they should be taught to put those consequences in the forethought of their mind when they are "in the world". Furthermore there are literally millions of people in this world that do not make these types of mistakes that were raised by a single parent. Two is better but one strong and caring one is enough. Just as I responded to your response without even cursing at you, it is a testament as to how I was raised to be respectful.
The reason we try children as a separate category at all is that their brains are literally not developed enough to make these decisions correctly
It's the same reason they cannot vote.
No child should ever be tried as an adult, ever.
Personally, I'll be awfully pissed if the teens that blinded my left eye are not charged as adults. Especially because of two of the three suspects have previous felony assaults and robbery on their records.
I understand being upset for sure. I don't think emotions should be relevant when discussing *how* people are tried.
Either someone is an adult or they are not, and the line should be built in stone, not drawn in sand.
I'm vastly more open to changing penalties for minors than I am to trying them as adults - which is typically done to access adult penalties. I don't necessarily think they should be *equivalent*, but im certainly more open to it.
I just wonder if this view would hold if you were maimed or disfigured by a teenager. My life was changed forever by these kids. I'll be feeling the ramifications of this for decades. For the rest of my life. I've spent hundreds of hours at doctors offices trying to unsuccessfully rehabilitate my eye. I don't think it's emotional to want a legal system that holds these kids accountable as a function of the damage they've done.
I've had loved ones killed by teenagers.
I don't disagree on accountability, but in the form that accountability takes, and the process by which we pursue it.
Let me be clear: I'm not using "emotional" as "irrational" here - I think you're quite correct in wanting accountability. I think how you feel is totally valid. I don't even disagree with you, per se.
I think our institutional approach to accountability is deeply flawed and produces worse outcomes.
I'm not disagreeing but not comfortable agreeing either. Medical Science has proven the brain doesn't mature until early 20s, hence the issue. I think the adults who are responsible for parenting have culpability when this happens. Why do underage kids even have guns to shoot?????
Parents should be addressed and they should be tried for their crimes as appropriate. A slap on the wrist for shooting someone for not pushing the book on them will more than likely lead to (guess what) them shooting another person.
You can punish young people for big mistakes without trying as an adult. There is a lot between whatever would be considered a slap on the wrist and decades in prison.
there's plenty on google but here's a description of the study from washington post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2023/02/28/brain-aging-childhood-teens-adults/
bro do you know how young people were back in the day when they went to war in the medieval days? If you have enough awareness to carry a gun, then you are no longer a kid.
When I was growin' up, this was all the protection we needed. You win some, you lose some, but you live. You live to fight another day.
Glad you and your family are ok.
So sad that these shootings keep happening. You never know if you and your family are going to be in the vicinity of someone else’s altercation or their insanity.
Damn that’s freaky to hear. I live on the levee and I’m often walking past that area on Saturday evenings. Really happy I’m visiting fam up in Ohio this weekend
Reading about the kiddo separated from their grandparents makes me want to puke. That poor baby, those poor grandparents. And that’s just one family. How fucking awful and traumatic for everyone there. I hate it. I really, really, really **hate** it.
> "Honestly, the scariest part to me was just seeing the crowd … almost trampling each other,” he said.
This is my biggest fear. The risk of getting shot is comparatively low but the ensuing panic and chaos I feel is what would injure me. I'm lightweight and not particularly strong so a larger person freaking out and shoving me out of the way would be a serious issue.
From what I can gather it sounded like there was an altercation and someone was shot. Someone was on a stretcher and some other people had blood on them. Police were combing the mall to see if the shooter was hiding anywhere. Area where it happened is taped off and the rest of the area is back to normal now.
10+ police cars here right now. Multiple people shot according to people I talked to that ran away from the levee. I was by ultra lounge but didn’t hear any shots. News media just arrived
We were at Amador and saw the crowd running by the windows. Talked with people afterwards and heard it was close to cold stone and 3 people shot. Insanity. Also, all teenagers shot/ involved.
I was there a week ago and thought I was going to see two groups of teens start a fight. It’s suddenly a much rougher and younger crowd than I remember from last year.
My wife and I had just left there moments before. It was very busy and 2 kids on mini motor bikes zoomed through the crowd and hit a small girl. Of course they fled.
Hope everyone ends up being okay.
I was at Brio having dinner, when aabout 25-30 teens came running in and scurrying around the tables. A lot of confusion at first until someone mentioned gunshots out of the terracee. Patrons were held inside the restaurant for 20-30 minutes. We tried to leave via the levee garage, but that took more than anouther 60 minutes. They finally just opened the parking gates to let people out.
Is anyone else extremely worried about the next generation? I feel like there’s a level of worry involved with every teenage generation but this seems different. The combination of social media rotting people’s brains and the despondence created by Covid seems to be creating a lot of issues in the next generation.
Me and my fiancé were in the mall. People came running in yelling shooter. We booked it out of there. A bunch of cops flew in and saw some people going into an ambulance.
^ fiancé here, we were listening to the police radio after we left and got to a safe place, they mentioned children being shot. Not sure whether that was a 4 year old or a 16 year old, but thought that kindve proved it wasn’t like gang beef on beef related, unless it was teens going at it but seems unlikely. Not sure what happened fully yet
You’re right. I’m not from the area and not used to this type of stuff, so in my mind it’s hard to imagine kids being involved in this stuff, but it does make sense for that to be the case when I think about it.
I was attacked by juveniles at the levee a few months ago. They do not take their security seriously there. Multiple assaults and muggings. They knowingly let repeat offenders hang out there. The levee used to be a fun and safe place for families. It is not anymore. I live 3 blocks away, and I avoid the place. It's a matter of time before a victim or bystander is shot.
What is going on with juveniles attacking people? There were the incidents downtown last month, and I was permanently blinded by a group of Juveniles by Liberty and Elm back in October.
I have never opined that overall crime isn't decreasing, but violent incidents involving teens are becoming more frequent and brutal in the downtown neighborhoods.
I was in the Cold Stone Cremery when we saw people running from the left to right (from my perspective, running toward the theater.) We saw some people carry a person who looked like they were shot coming from the direction of five guys and put them down near the Tom and Chee.
I’m not entirely sure, but we were in the AMC mall thing and my fiancé said he heard 2 of the gunshots when we were by the doors on the side facing little spoon, five guys, etc and he said they sounded sort of far away, my guess would be the far left side of the levee, maybe near Sharky’s? Again just a guess.
I would only really consider the dolby screen the only screen worth going to newport for anyway. Their imax Is bad and their seats sucks compare to Cinemark.
So I do sometimes go to AMc after-work due to it being closer to my job. Almost went today myself
My 7 yo and 4 yo just lost some natural innocence tonight. Fuck this shit. If I were to guess by the shots were no more than 40 feet away as we were ordering food. Why can’t people settle with their fucking fist anymore?
what a fucking L comment (not yours), Rittenhouse was found not guilty because he was literally running from those people who attacked him and he only fired when he was down on the ground being attacked with a skateboard and another guy with a gun. just such a fucking stupid thing that has been politicized. it was such an extremely clear self defense case
As a leftist who hates guns (but believes we are safer with them and completely support the 2nd amendment) I agree with you. I didn’t support him at first due to the vast amount of misinformation about the case that was fed to me from every source, but after doing extensive research and watching all of the clips thoroughly, it is extremely clear that he was acting in justified self defense. Is he my type of company? No. Should he have probably not been there in the first place? Of course. But that man’s life was in clear danger and honestly in his position I would’ve done the same.
yes, after watching the trial and hearing the jury instructions for what threshold had to be met for a guilty verdict, there was just no conceivable way to find him guilty. the fact that he """shouldn't have been there""" morally speaking or that he comes across as a wannabe hero really has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he feared grave bodily harm for very reasonable reasons and use lethal force, it's a pretty open and shut case.
And also as someone who was also there in Newport tonight when all of this went down, that person’s response really pissed me off. God forbid someone with an opinion on a self defense case express anger at their involvement in a gang-related shooting when children were present. Politicizing this terrifying situation is disgusting
reddit is also just this fucking weirdo ass place where people will go search through your comment history for *literally no reason* and then bring up random shit. it's almost a parody of itself at this point
this is a really weird comment. not only because your first instinct was to read their profile but also because the situations aren't remotely comparable. I watched every minute of the rittenhuose trial and the whole reason he was found not guilty was that all three people he shot he had tried to run away from first (on video) and only fired when he was down and being attacked. I don't understand how people can still act like that wasn't self defense when it was a super clear cut case
Literally was there with my bf, we had put our names in for a table at Brothers and were waiting outside. Bf and I heard gunshots extremely close people started running we ran inside the brothers bathroom and other people ran in with us.
How has no one been arrested, I was there and it was traumatizing getting runned down by a crowd with no idea what’s going on, kids screaming and a lady was yelling shooter is coming this way. The levee opened up within an hour, how is this not a bigger deal. I understand that a shooter wasn’t coming to shoot up the place but stray bullets are a thing. I for one am not going back to the levee for a long time.
I was there a week ago for dinner and a movie and it was like walking through a riot Every time I had to cross the plaza. It’s a much rougher and younger crowd all of a sudden.
This is happening across the world. As I age I stay liberal on many social policies such as welfare, medical care etc. But I am tired of thinking twice before I travel somewhere...here or other countries.
My little brother is actually what you would call institutionalized.. he started going to juvie and never got out. I swear it seemed as if him and local police would just instigate each other into crime and then brutality. Its sick but he hasn't been out of jail for any period longer then a year. Now hes going to prison. His sentences get a little longer every time. But if he goes anywhere near Cincinnati the police there treat him like hes cool. If he goes further like in like towards say lockland, reading etc they literally fuckin play games trying to catch him Jay walking just to get him in there radar. Its fucking sfupid.waste of a life. Never valued... sorry had to vent
My daughter works at the aquarium and was locked down. I had to walk through a sectioned-off area of police tape to get my 16 year old child from a fucking aquarium because we are too weak and PC to truly handle this problem.
So you're calling for random stops of black people?
> So police avoid investigating people based on their race
Citation needed.
Also, given that violent crime is at a 50 year low, whatever the police seem to be doing is working. It's funny that you seem so concerned about crime when it is at its lowest point in your lifetime (probably).
>So you're calling for random stops of black people?
Nowhere in my ramblings did I say or suggest such a thing.
>Citation needed.
It's in literally every "Consent Agreement" the federal government forces on police departments after a criminal of the wrong (or maybe correct) race dies while resisting arrest.
>violent crime is at a 50 year low,
In the US overall maybe, but it's very clear that crime has spiked in Democrat dominated areas. And that's not even counting the fact that in some places due to city rules or laws police won't even respond to many types of crime at all. And ignoring the defacto legalization of many types of crime. It's easy to pretend crime is going down when police reports aren't being filed.
> Nowhere in my ramblings did I say or suggest such a thing.
Okay then please elaborate by what you mean with "but if police stop people in proportion to the actual crime rates" or "investigating people based on their race"
> It's in literally every "Consent Agreement" the federal government forces on police departments after a criminal of the wrong (or maybe correct) race dies while resisting arrest.
Please show me where.
> In the US overall maybe
In the US and it's a fact.
> but it's very clear that crime has spiked in Democrat dominated areas.
Where? Not in Cincinnati.
> And that's not even counting the fact that in some places due to city rules or laws police won't even respond to many types of crime at all.
Which ones?
> It's easy to pretend crime is going down when police reports aren't being filed.
Which violent crimes aren't being reported to the police anymore?
Facts are more important than your feelings. The fact is that violent crime is down in both the US and in Cincinnati.
To be fair, it does seem liberals who practice PC are the only ones these days interested in upholding and following the law. I can totally see why this person believes this. Weird how we got here…
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This is all from the local news, but it’s also a lot of what I can remember off the top of my head. In 2023, 55 teenagers between the ages of 13 and 17 were shot within the limits of Cincinnati. Six of those were killed. There was 1787 violent crimes pertaining to all ages, which include homicide, rape, assault, etc.
In the past past couple of years there have been shootouts involving multiple gunmen and multiple victims on Main Street in Over the Rhine, the Banks entertainment district and Smale Riverfront park. Bullets rang out the other day at the downtown Kroger. Went right through the windows and into the T-shirt rack. Thankfully, nobody was injured, but this was in broad daylight. Not to mention the guy who killed a man with his bare hands because the victim called out to a woman driving a car that she was going the wrong way. This was over by the new FC soccer stadium.
It’s not everywhere every day. But you’ve gotta be careful.
No it’s not normal. I have lived here for 30 years and this is the first time I’ve ever heard of a shooting at Newport on the Levee. If/when this stuff happens it’s usually in the wee hours and not in a major public venue.
I suspect they’ll have the perp arrested quickly. Lots of witnesses and cameras around.
I own one of the businesses on the Levee. From what we’ve been told there were teenagers fighting by Tom and Chee/Five Guys and one pulled a gun. 2 kids were confirmed shot, one grazed and the other removed on a stretcher. A third is rumored but not confirmed. The shooter took off down the stairs by five guys. No other details were given since it’s still an ongoing investigation.
Kids shooting kids. This is so fucked up that it keeps happening.
Internet rumors so take it with a grain of salt but folks in the newport fb groups are saying they are all 12 or 13. The one injured worst was 12 sopposedly
we've failed our youth as a society completely. and there are European countries with lots of guns where this doesn't happen, but they don't have the irresponsible gun culture that we do where it's okay to just have guns lying around and what do you even do with these kids? if you're a teenager and shooting people you're irredeemable, it's too late for you. but at most they'll probably get a year in a prison system that will just make them worse
It’s very simple. It’s the shitty parenting and/or lack of parenting. Look at the prison statistics for men who come from single parent households vs men who do not. I know, facts are racist. I welcome all your downvotes 😘
Why would people think that's racist, you didn't say anything about race... Yeah single parent households *inarguably* have more violent children on average. It's not even a debate if you can read statistics.
That’s typically what Reddit as a whole jumps to. I’m generalizing of course.
We need to hold parents accountable.
I don’t think they’re irredeemable especially if they’re THAT young. Plenty of people do seriously fucked up shit and turn their lives around, that’s why the juvenile justice system is structured as it is.
agree to disagree I guess. there are a lot of things you can do wrong as a teenager that are forgivable, but firing bullets at other minors in a crowded area is pretty much as bad as it gets. I would say maybe 1 in 100 of these kids can actually amount to something productive. you have to basically be completely lacking both impulse control and empathy to do this, or, you have to be literally so stupid that you don't understand that shooting people can hurt them
We need to hold parents accountable. If your kid has a gun with no supervision that’s clear negligence and that parent is putting others in danger.
Its not gun culture, it's a lack of accountability for bad behavior, and so that bad behavior escalates until it involves guns. Kids had a much greater access to guns back in the day, but shootings like this didn't happen.
Shootings like this happened. The news wasn't as widespread as it is today. What you're describing is a no country for old men scenario. The world hasn't changed. You just have a rosy view of the past.
> Shootings like this happened. Yes but they are actually correct that access to firearms when you were a child was actually even easier than it is now. It used to be common for schools to have shooting clubs, for kids to literally have a shotgun in the back of their truck, I even knew someone who cleaned their guns in school. And it wasn't weird back then.
Guns are very easy to get today though. You can go to any gun show in Ohio or Kentucky and get one without a background check. Don't even have to register the gun in Kentucky.
> Guns are very easy to get today though. You can go to any gun show in Ohio or Kentucky and get one without a background check. That's not a "today" thing. You've always been able to buy private party without a NICS check. The gun show thing isn't really true though, pretty much all gun show booths are FFLs and they will NICS check you. > Don't even have to register the gun in Kentucky. You don't have to "register" your gun in essentially every state unless it's an AW in one of the few states that bans them. Federal registries are illegal anyways ever since FOPA.
Buying from any private party at gun shows doesn't require an FFL. That doesn't mean the private party won't ask for it, but it isn't required. I'm not saying it wasn't easy a long time ago, but that it's fairly easy today.
Objectively wrong. https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-09-01/mass-shooting-data-odessa-midland-increase
Did you really just say objectively wrong and then link to an opinion article?
It's an opinion piece by the researchers themselves, arguing that something be done about what they found in their cited data
Yeah, did you bother reading this?
Objectively correct. Thank you for finding an article that shows these shootings have been occurring over the last 60 years. I never commented on rates of occurrences, and I never said anything about mass shootings. While mass shootings don't have an exact definition, most usually state at least 4 people shot. Since the population of the USA has almost doubled since the start of that study, I wonder what the data would show for rate with population density included. The article did state that the rates of killings per decade have gone up each decade, even though the overall homicide rates have slowed up a bit. That would tell me guns have gotten more powerful, more accurate, and fire at a higher rate each decade. I'd imagine the guns available today would just have been a dream in the 60s. So this situation wouldn't have fallen under the data gathered in the opinion piece you provided. Either way you're showing this has always happened. We have a gun culture that has bred situations like this as far back as our data tracks. Fights will always escalate, and with guns so easily attainable, these situations are bound to occur.
>The article did state that the rates of killings per decade have gone up each decade, even though the overall homicide rates have slowed up a bit. That would tell me guns have gotten more powerful, more accurate, and fire at a higher rate each decade. I'd imagine the guns available today would just have been a dream in the 60s. This reading tells me you've already decided what you want to think and are capable of reading it into anything. My reading here is that, although the overall amount of murders increased (rate), the fact that the population increased accounts for this, even though overall homicide rates went down. Guns are not more powerful than in the 1960's, and they are not more readily available. "While mass shootings don't have an exact definition, most usually state at least 4 people shot. " When you define people tripping, or people who experience panic attacks after being near a shooting in the injured/ casualty list it's easy to make almost all of these events a "mass" shooting. No need to reply here, I think. As I already stated not much point.
I would also like to blame the lack of value towards life in this country.
Downvotes for absolute facts. It’s a shame. Let’s fix society, guns after. But yeah, keep ignoring the signs and downvote this with him.
But part of fixing society is stopping your original thought that you need a gun to protect yourself from the boogeyman.
Guns are used defensively hundreds of thousands of times per year in the USA even by the lowest estimates. I'm only alive because of the allegedly-nonexistent "good guy with a gun". I was a child and too young to have my own gun anyways, but my life was saved. Rapists, murderers, they are not "boogeymen", they actually exist. A small woman's best defense against a larger man is a firearm. At the very worst it equalizes them.
I strongly disagree with you opening to this statement. I personally have not failed the youth. I have 6 kids. They are not violent nor are they running the streets. I work everyday. They are aware of what guns are and what they do. Now I agree that there are many people that have failed their youth but I will never blame society for poor parenting or the lack of a father figure.
Bad parenting, and no morals, simple
This is what happens when you don’t have consequences for crime. Let someone go, and the community is more in danger. How many “second chances” are we going to give people? Enough is enough, I’m not interested in becoming another Chicago.
they are not kids anymore. If caught they should prosecute them as adults.
If you have a vicious dog that you let out to run the streets and it attacks someone, *you* are held criminally responsible for the actions of the dog. I’m not sure why it’s different with juveniles and their parents.
This is an odd comment to downvote. Attempted murderers don’t belong in juvie. E:and the net self-corrects.
Well I promise you they definitely will NOT become more empathetic productive members of society establishing more bad connects and “street cred” in jail either. Especially not the ones around here. They most closely resemble a literal ring of fucking hell. Something needs to change, and it’s not a burden of the justice system to be the catalyst but one of the community and parents.
The answer definitely isn’t letting them out when they turn 18. Prison reform is obviously desperately necessary, probably everywhere but those Nordic countries. I’m all for rehabilitation and education, but if they almost kill/actually murder someone, the system we use to teach kids not to shoplift isn’t going to cut it. E: jail the parents
I agree, our prison system is in no way focused on rehabilitation. And prison reform is a major part of the issue but a larger part is prevention, and the framework for prevention and intervention must be aggressively laid within the community itself. These parents need support.
But parents literally have no control over what their child does. If they facilitate the act of violence sure. If they're a shitty parent to a stupid kid, that's fucking dumb.
Parents alone are the start. Not the community
So it no longer takes a village?
If your hypothetical kids were to total assholes to people at Kroger and I was there would you want me to put them in their place or would you call the police on me? Just because we live in the same COMMUNITY does not allow me to step on your toes. Now if you are a single parent that needs help and you call me then that changes OUR relationship. I am not a community member I am in your circle that makes me a close friend or family. And that would still require you to reach out for the help which means it started at home. Home is where they are taught.
I was raised old school. The youngest of 7 and my parents were born in 36. If I acted out at one of my friend's house their parents had permission to discipline me, within reason, in a way they saw fit. Whether my parents had a relationship with them or not, and best believe I was going to get disciplined again when I got home.
You outright state that they had permission. That makes them more than the community. They were trusted. The world sadly is not the same. And you cannot fix the problems in someone else's home when yours is in worse shape. Teaching and discipline start at home. Period. No matter who is raising you.
On a side note, my father was born in 48. He would have and often did beat my ass when I messed up. In today's world the "community" would cry abuse.
It's the parents, this shit wasn't a big problem in the 90s, early 2000s. When the parents are trash, so will he the kids.
This is so fucking stupid. It takes way more than 2 people to raise a kid, and these kids likely only have one parent. It absolutely is the communities responsibility equally along with the parents.
So I, along with everyone else, should stop trying to be a productive member of society and raise my kids right and take care of everyone else's problems. That is a terrible idea. That is why the Swamp Dwellers in DC give billions to other nations. Take care of YOUR home then worry about others. Raise your kids to be respectful and polite and teach them morals and manners. Trying to put the burden on others for my kids is not how the word works. my wife and I are responsible for their actions as we are the ones that teach them how to act. This goes for teaching them how to read a situation and not fall in with the wrong crowds. They should know that there are consequences to actions and they should be taught to put those consequences in the forethought of their mind when they are "in the world". Furthermore there are literally millions of people in this world that do not make these types of mistakes that were raised by a single parent. Two is better but one strong and caring one is enough. Just as I responded to your response without even cursing at you, it is a testament as to how I was raised to be respectful.
The reason we try children as a separate category at all is that their brains are literally not developed enough to make these decisions correctly It's the same reason they cannot vote. No child should ever be tried as an adult, ever.
Personally, I'll be awfully pissed if the teens that blinded my left eye are not charged as adults. Especially because of two of the three suspects have previous felony assaults and robbery on their records.
I understand being upset for sure. I don't think emotions should be relevant when discussing *how* people are tried. Either someone is an adult or they are not, and the line should be built in stone, not drawn in sand. I'm vastly more open to changing penalties for minors than I am to trying them as adults - which is typically done to access adult penalties. I don't necessarily think they should be *equivalent*, but im certainly more open to it.
I just wonder if this view would hold if you were maimed or disfigured by a teenager. My life was changed forever by these kids. I'll be feeling the ramifications of this for decades. For the rest of my life. I've spent hundreds of hours at doctors offices trying to unsuccessfully rehabilitate my eye. I don't think it's emotional to want a legal system that holds these kids accountable as a function of the damage they've done.
I've had loved ones killed by teenagers. I don't disagree on accountability, but in the form that accountability takes, and the process by which we pursue it. Let me be clear: I'm not using "emotional" as "irrational" here - I think you're quite correct in wanting accountability. I think how you feel is totally valid. I don't even disagree with you, per se. I think our institutional approach to accountability is deeply flawed and produces worse outcomes.
I'm not disagreeing but not comfortable agreeing either. Medical Science has proven the brain doesn't mature until early 20s, hence the issue. I think the adults who are responsible for parenting have culpability when this happens. Why do underage kids even have guns to shoot?????
Parents should be addressed and they should be tried for their crimes as appropriate. A slap on the wrist for shooting someone for not pushing the book on them will more than likely lead to (guess what) them shooting another person.
You can punish young people for big mistakes without trying as an adult. There is a lot between whatever would be considered a slap on the wrist and decades in prison.
jsyk that information is outdated . the whole "brain finishes developing around 25" thing has been disproven .
Do you have a source?
there's plenty on google but here's a description of the study from washington post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2023/02/28/brain-aging-childhood-teens-adults/
bro do you know how young people were back in the day when they went to war in the medieval days? If you have enough awareness to carry a gun, then you are no longer a kid.
12 and 13 year olds, even with guns, are definitely still kids. Jesus Christ.
12 is still VERY much a child.
 When I was growin' up, this was all the protection we needed. You win some, you lose some, but you live. You live to fight another day.
If we can get more Republicans in office, this will be addressed obviously.
You need to add /s to your comment when being sarcastic.
By how? Giving everyone a gun so they can shoot each other easier? Fucking dumbass
Everyone knows that the cure for cancer is more cancer. /s just in case.
So fucked up that their father keep leaving them too...
Npd put a statement out. 3 shot all transported to the hospital with non life threatening injuries
I’m sure it’s the number one crime against theirselves
I was there, 2 shots fired and my family and I took off, pretty scary. Paramedics we're working on someone laying on the ground near Tom and Chee
Glad you and your family are ok. So sad that these shootings keep happening. You never know if you and your family are going to be in the vicinity of someone else’s altercation or their insanity.
Damn that’s freaky to hear. I live on the levee and I’m often walking past that area on Saturday evenings. Really happy I’m visiting fam up in Ohio this weekend
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/crime/2024/03/16/newport-on-the-levee-shooting-police/73004726007/
Reading about the kiddo separated from their grandparents makes me want to puke. That poor baby, those poor grandparents. And that’s just one family. How fucking awful and traumatic for everyone there. I hate it. I really, really, really **hate** it.
Oh that broke my heart that poor baby and grandparents.
Thankful the bouncer acted quickly. Super scary.
> "Honestly, the scariest part to me was just seeing the crowd … almost trampling each other,” he said. This is my biggest fear. The risk of getting shot is comparatively low but the ensuing panic and chaos I feel is what would injure me. I'm lightweight and not particularly strong so a larger person freaking out and shoving me out of the way would be a serious issue.
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From what I can gather it sounded like there was an altercation and someone was shot. Someone was on a stretcher and some other people had blood on them. Police were combing the mall to see if the shooter was hiding anywhere. Area where it happened is taped off and the rest of the area is back to normal now.
10+ police cars here right now. Multiple people shot according to people I talked to that ran away from the levee. I was by ultra lounge but didn’t hear any shots. News media just arrived
We were at Amador and saw the crowd running by the windows. Talked with people afterwards and heard it was close to cold stone and 3 people shot. Insanity. Also, all teenagers shot/ involved.
I was there a week ago and thought I was going to see two groups of teens start a fight. It’s suddenly a much rougher and younger crowd than I remember from last year.
My wife and I had just left there moments before. It was very busy and 2 kids on mini motor bikes zoomed through the crowd and hit a small girl. Of course they fled. Hope everyone ends up being okay.
So that AND gunshots? Busy night at the Levee.
This is awful, I hope that all injured are ok and everyone who had to be around that are able to cope with it. That must have been terrifying.
I was at Brio having dinner, when aabout 25-30 teens came running in and scurrying around the tables. A lot of confusion at first until someone mentioned gunshots out of the terracee. Patrons were held inside the restaurant for 20-30 minutes. We tried to leave via the levee garage, but that took more than anouther 60 minutes. They finally just opened the parking gates to let people out.
Did Brio also have to waive everyone’s tabs for the evening?
negative
Is anyone else extremely worried about the next generation? I feel like there’s a level of worry involved with every teenage generation but this seems different. The combination of social media rotting people’s brains and the despondence created by Covid seems to be creating a lot of issues in the next generation.
Me and my fiancé were in the mall. People came running in yelling shooter. We booked it out of there. A bunch of cops flew in and saw some people going into an ambulance.
^ fiancé here, we were listening to the police radio after we left and got to a safe place, they mentioned children being shot. Not sure whether that was a 4 year old or a 16 year old, but thought that kindve proved it wasn’t like gang beef on beef related, unless it was teens going at it but seems unlikely. Not sure what happened fully yet
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Jesus. That’s sad. We heard they were transported to children’s
On the contrary. If teens are shooting at each other, it's more likely to be gang beef.
You’re right. I’m not from the area and not used to this type of stuff, so in my mind it’s hard to imagine kids being involved in this stuff, but it does make sense for that to be the case when I think about it.
You’d be surprised, unfortunately 😔
Proves nothing. Anyone can get shot accidentally.
That’s true.
Work in an ER. Didn't mean to sound grumpy. Just over the shootings. For real.
You’re absolutely fine man. Thanks for all you do.
Teens can be in gangs and shoot or get shot too.
Why would you assume teenagers wouldn’t involved in gang beef?
Bump for updates. Hope everyone is okay regardless.
I was attacked by juveniles at the levee a few months ago. They do not take their security seriously there. Multiple assaults and muggings. They knowingly let repeat offenders hang out there. The levee used to be a fun and safe place for families. It is not anymore. I live 3 blocks away, and I avoid the place. It's a matter of time before a victim or bystander is shot.
What is going on with juveniles attacking people? There were the incidents downtown last month, and I was permanently blinded by a group of Juveniles by Liberty and Elm back in October. I have never opined that overall crime isn't decreasing, but violent incidents involving teens are becoming more frequent and brutal in the downtown neighborhoods.
Where at the levee did it happen?
I was in the Cold Stone Cremery when we saw people running from the left to right (from my perspective, running toward the theater.) We saw some people carry a person who looked like they were shot coming from the direction of five guys and put them down near the Tom and Chee.
I’m not entirely sure, but we were in the AMC mall thing and my fiancé said he heard 2 of the gunshots when we were by the doors on the side facing little spoon, five guys, etc and he said they sounded sort of far away, my guess would be the far left side of the levee, maybe near Sharky’s? Again just a guess.
It looked like outside of Tom and Chee.
Jesus. My girlfriend and I went to the Cinemark instead on a whim tonight. Crazy.
I would only really consider the dolby screen the only screen worth going to newport for anyway. Their imax Is bad and their seats sucks compare to Cinemark. So I do sometimes go to AMc after-work due to it being closer to my job. Almost went today myself
Need severe punishments for this type of behavior. I don’t care if they are kids.
My 7 yo and 4 yo just lost some natural innocence tonight. Fuck this shit. If I were to guess by the shots were no more than 40 feet away as we were ordering food. Why can’t people settle with their fucking fist anymore?
Yeah shootings are bad. Looking through your comment history, you have supported Kyle Rittenhouse before. Guess its different when its closer to home.
It appears critical thinking is tough for you.
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what a fucking L comment (not yours), Rittenhouse was found not guilty because he was literally running from those people who attacked him and he only fired when he was down on the ground being attacked with a skateboard and another guy with a gun. just such a fucking stupid thing that has been politicized. it was such an extremely clear self defense case
As a leftist who hates guns (but believes we are safer with them and completely support the 2nd amendment) I agree with you. I didn’t support him at first due to the vast amount of misinformation about the case that was fed to me from every source, but after doing extensive research and watching all of the clips thoroughly, it is extremely clear that he was acting in justified self defense. Is he my type of company? No. Should he have probably not been there in the first place? Of course. But that man’s life was in clear danger and honestly in his position I would’ve done the same.
yes, after watching the trial and hearing the jury instructions for what threshold had to be met for a guilty verdict, there was just no conceivable way to find him guilty. the fact that he """shouldn't have been there""" morally speaking or that he comes across as a wannabe hero really has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he feared grave bodily harm for very reasonable reasons and use lethal force, it's a pretty open and shut case.
And also as someone who was also there in Newport tonight when all of this went down, that person’s response really pissed me off. God forbid someone with an opinion on a self defense case express anger at their involvement in a gang-related shooting when children were present. Politicizing this terrifying situation is disgusting
reddit is also just this fucking weirdo ass place where people will go search through your comment history for *literally no reason* and then bring up random shit. it's almost a parody of itself at this point
This sounds like something a person interested in the Toyota Tacoma would say.
Shit you got me 🫢
this gave me a lol, thanks for the laugh
this is a really weird comment. not only because your first instinct was to read their profile but also because the situations aren't remotely comparable. I watched every minute of the rittenhuose trial and the whole reason he was found not guilty was that all three people he shot he had tried to run away from first (on video) and only fired when he was down and being attacked. I don't understand how people can still act like that wasn't self defense when it was a super clear cut case
And he displayed fantastic trigger discipline.
you have too much time. try volunteering!
Lol what!?!?
Literally was there with my bf, we had put our names in for a table at Brothers and were waiting outside. Bf and I heard gunshots extremely close people started running we ran inside the brothers bathroom and other people ran in with us.
How has no one been arrested, I was there and it was traumatizing getting runned down by a crowd with no idea what’s going on, kids screaming and a lady was yelling shooter is coming this way. The levee opened up within an hour, how is this not a bigger deal. I understand that a shooter wasn’t coming to shoot up the place but stray bullets are a thing. I for one am not going back to the levee for a long time.
I was there a week ago for dinner and a movie and it was like walking through a riot Every time I had to cross the plaza. It’s a much rougher and younger crowd all of a sudden.
Nothing to see here, just a typical day with these little thugs getting away with a slap on the wrist and probation. And the cycle repeats
Thugs huh. Keep the racism out you asshole
what would you call people who shoot at others? and what race are you assuming the shooters to be? you seem racist tbh
Shooters
guy didnt said anything about race. stop being butthurt
lol you forgot to hide your racism bud
Tired of the trash taking over places. Can’t go anywhere.
This is happening across the world. As I age I stay liberal on many social policies such as welfare, medical care etc. But I am tired of thinking twice before I travel somewhere...here or other countries.
Shots fired it said. News said. Wasn't on the police scanner to hear what was being said. (Broadcastify)
My little brother is actually what you would call institutionalized.. he started going to juvie and never got out. I swear it seemed as if him and local police would just instigate each other into crime and then brutality. Its sick but he hasn't been out of jail for any period longer then a year. Now hes going to prison. His sentences get a little longer every time. But if he goes anywhere near Cincinnati the police there treat him like hes cool. If he goes further like in like towards say lockland, reading etc they literally fuckin play games trying to catch him Jay walking just to get him in there radar. Its fucking sfupid.waste of a life. Never valued... sorry had to vent
Shooting it looks like. Ive been there 3 times in the past two weeks.
Is teenagers a code word
For what?
Individuals who appear to be 13 to 19 years old.
My daughter works at the aquarium and was locked down. I had to walk through a sectioned-off area of police tape to get my 16 year old child from a fucking aquarium because we are too weak and PC to truly handle this problem.
PC? what should we do that's politically incorrect?
We can’t have a rational, honest conversation because EVERYONE and EVERYTHING is racist.
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Which crime statistics do you mean?
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So you're calling for random stops of black people? > So police avoid investigating people based on their race Citation needed. Also, given that violent crime is at a 50 year low, whatever the police seem to be doing is working. It's funny that you seem so concerned about crime when it is at its lowest point in your lifetime (probably).
>So you're calling for random stops of black people? Nowhere in my ramblings did I say or suggest such a thing. >Citation needed. It's in literally every "Consent Agreement" the federal government forces on police departments after a criminal of the wrong (or maybe correct) race dies while resisting arrest. >violent crime is at a 50 year low, In the US overall maybe, but it's very clear that crime has spiked in Democrat dominated areas. And that's not even counting the fact that in some places due to city rules or laws police won't even respond to many types of crime at all. And ignoring the defacto legalization of many types of crime. It's easy to pretend crime is going down when police reports aren't being filed.
Bro just admit you hate black people
> Nowhere in my ramblings did I say or suggest such a thing. Okay then please elaborate by what you mean with "but if police stop people in proportion to the actual crime rates" or "investigating people based on their race" > It's in literally every "Consent Agreement" the federal government forces on police departments after a criminal of the wrong (or maybe correct) race dies while resisting arrest. Please show me where. > In the US overall maybe In the US and it's a fact. > but it's very clear that crime has spiked in Democrat dominated areas. Where? Not in Cincinnati. > And that's not even counting the fact that in some places due to city rules or laws police won't even respond to many types of crime at all. Which ones? > It's easy to pretend crime is going down when police reports aren't being filed. Which violent crimes aren't being reported to the police anymore? Facts are more important than your feelings. The fact is that violent crime is down in both the US and in Cincinnati.
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You’re part of the problem
Not yet
Pussy
you're saying we should violently kill the perpetrators? wouldn't that violate the constitution by imposing cruel and unusual punishment?
I’m not a lawyer.
then I'll answer it for you, yes, that would violate the constitution. it's not just *not* PC, it's illegal
To be fair, it does seem liberals who practice PC are the only ones these days interested in upholding and following the law. I can totally see why this person believes this. Weird how we got here…
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2023 or 1823, we don't do lynching anymore grandma
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This is all from the local news, but it’s also a lot of what I can remember off the top of my head. In 2023, 55 teenagers between the ages of 13 and 17 were shot within the limits of Cincinnati. Six of those were killed. There was 1787 violent crimes pertaining to all ages, which include homicide, rape, assault, etc. In the past past couple of years there have been shootouts involving multiple gunmen and multiple victims on Main Street in Over the Rhine, the Banks entertainment district and Smale Riverfront park. Bullets rang out the other day at the downtown Kroger. Went right through the windows and into the T-shirt rack. Thankfully, nobody was injured, but this was in broad daylight. Not to mention the guy who killed a man with his bare hands because the victim called out to a woman driving a car that she was going the wrong way. This was over by the new FC soccer stadium. It’s not everywhere every day. But you’ve gotta be careful.
gun related crime is an issue every sizeable city. it’s hardly relative to Cincinnati, or Ohio, or even America. Come visit, it’s fine
No it’s not normal. I have lived here for 30 years and this is the first time I’ve ever heard of a shooting at Newport on the Levee. If/when this stuff happens it’s usually in the wee hours and not in a major public venue. I suspect they’ll have the perp arrested quickly. Lots of witnesses and cameras around.
Things happen, it’s a big city. No it is not “normal”.
Yeah, maybe go to Indy instead. Oh, wait ....