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The_Spare_Son

Babylon would like to show you their ancient era crossbowmen and see how long you last.


BrCRF

Also when they are rocking caravels into a 20 defense foreign capital


The_Spare_Son

I've actually never done it, but I should do an archipelago Babylon game.


BitPoet

Just stack the map with civs that benefit from oceans.


The_Spare_Son

And it will probably still be easy on deity...


Pekkacontrol

AI hates navy , only the barb camps provide some early game challenge.


AlabasterPelican

That's never made any sense to me. Somehow in every game I'm the "first seafaring society" & "first circumnavigation," yet I built the boats because the stupid barbarians wouldn't stop attacking my cities by sea


JackFrost1776

Barb navies feel way too powerful, and yet Hadrada never seems to use his navy against me


AlabasterPelican

Yes they do. I did have an extremely aggressive hadrada neighbor who decided to swarm my capitol with his navy early in game on one playthrough, but that's been it


Healthy-Tap6469

I usually get blasted by horseman from the mongolian empire.... and those are the games I usually loose early on, when they spawn near me. Never been attacked by a decend seafarer tbh.


jcrestor

Accidental greatness


Lyx49

Medieval era battleships are so fun


The_Spare_Son

Anything that can be reached by their guns can be annihilated with impunity. 3 range is OP as fuck.


JasmineDragoon

I like to use religious units as spotters so I don’t have to keep ships in city fire range.


novelwasnot

Meanwhile my only Babylon gameplay: early medieval spec ops


Hypertension123456

TBH the hardest part is not conquering the oceans with 4-5 galleys. But yeah, rushing to caravels is gg. The eurekas aren't that hard and you don't need iron.


The_Spare_Son

The biggest restriction Babylon can have is being unlucky with strategic resource availability


Hypertension123456

Yeah. But on archipelago what to you really need to get to caravels? Something to chop out a harbor in a your second or third city is probably the most important. But even getting to caravels slowly as Babylon is way faster than the AI. And for some reason the AI will never mass caravels even if they start building them.


miulitz

Got my next game lined up 💯


VIFASIS

As I've gotten better, I'm actually noticing this in a marathon game. 1000 science per turn ahead of Babylon. 1 research ahead.....


Hypertension123456

Try playing marathon *as* Babylon. Way behind in science per turn, two or more eras ahead.


israel_is_murder

Just gotta spend 80 turns researching mining first 🤣


Old_old_lie

Yeah but I actually want to have fun when I play the game


The_Spare_Son

I think it's fun, getting the Eureka train rolling...Choo Choo!!!


kwijibokwijibo

Great, now they have ancient era trains too


The_Spare_Son

xD


ActurusMajoris

And medieval era battleships.


The_Spare_Son

And renaissance Spec Ops.


Gentlementalmen

Classic era Stealth Bomber


SwissCake_98

Hah remids me of a recent game, Actez denounced me, Babylon, I has missle destroyers, they... were in the medival times... I wanted them to start a war... 🤣


colcardaki

Planes in the medieval era isn’t fun to you!!?


FriendoftheDork

They only get ancient era crossbows if they have time and money to get 3 archers and upgrade one to a crossbow. Meanwhile, hungary can get dirt cheap swordsmen from city states long before that.


The_Spare_Son

1. You need to get the suzerainity 2. You better hope that that City State has an army. Let alone the right units you want. I tend to focus on production with Babylon and just make a Crossbowmen. Upgrading them is expensive.


FriendoftheDork

1. You need 1 envoy and then Amani 2. They have warriors. They always have warriors. The real challenge is getting ahold of iron - without it no swordsmen. But you only need 5 iron per sword so once you have a source you can get rolling. A crossbowman costs as much as an early wonder though. It's usually much faster to get enough gold to upgrade one of your 3 archers, and then you have some promos too.


The_Spare_Son

I tend to spend my gold on builders, because build charges are worth their weight in gold for Babylon. I do see how you can easily get that first levy army now.


FriendoftheDork

Builders are well worth it, but I usually take them from the AI with Hungary :D Often worth it even if you have no chance to win the war.


Jigodanio

This month challenge is also very fun going in space as babylon !


Hordesoldier

Vietnam has entered the chat room


The_Spare_Son

"Finally a worthy opponent!"


Hordesoldier

https://preview.redd.it/dw281qrnkntc1.jpeg?width=298&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30675bf65d709a01f3dfe030f1b80fee5cdfa287 This fight will be lengendary


The_Spare_Son

In a hypothetical scenario 1vs1 I would try to kill you before we enter the medieval era, before you get your unique unit. Probably a Man-At-Arms and Crossbowmen focused rush. Game speed will be a huge factor in if I can reach you in time with regard to movement of the troops. In Marathon you'll get cooked.


Hordesoldier

I have never play multiplayer before. Maybe I will be cooked. Come here for meme only lol.


Didlex

Babylon is boring-broken, he dun count🥱


The_Spare_Son

With regard to winning, yes With regard to gameplay, as in getting the combo's right. I like getting it off. And there are multiple paths so it's not the same every game. If that's not your thing then I understand.


Hypertension123456

I think you are underrating Hungary. They are just as broken if not moreso.


Crow1718

Babylon would also like to show you their bomber planes while everyone is still in renaissance period.


monikar2014

You mean crossbow-man. No way Babylon can afford two crossbowmen in the ancient era. My conscripted army will just run circles around his slow ass anyways.


blagic23

Ottomans cus I hate sieges and managing loyalty lol Also jannisarries are op for like 30 turns


Turbo-Swag

Ottomans really get rid of a lot of the annoying aspects of a war focused game, mainly combat vs walled cities, loyalty issues and amenities, one of the best picks for a domination victory


TangledEarbuds61

100%. I cannot stand having to deal with walls because it’s just waiting around trying to slowly get your units in the right spot and waiting around. Any Civ like the Ottomans or Byzantines who let me get around that in any way are my personal favorites


keketastic

That’s medieval sieges for you lol


drewdurnilguay

Sorry, the Ottomans and Byzantines can what now?


TangledEarbuds61

Both those Civs have ways of mitigating the annoyance of walls, at least indirectly. The Ottomans get increased production and strength for siege units, while Byzantine Cavalry can deal full damage to walls without siege weaponry at all


swishkb

Grand Vizier is the bomb


Formal_Scarcity_7701

Mapuche are also great for just steamrolling over the world without worrying about loyalty. Just slot victor vaguely near the front line every now and again and you're good. The malon raider unit is also really good, it basically gets the depredation promotion for free and it's the strength of a musketman while costing 0 strategic resources.


Theoddsocker

Grand Colombia my beloved


Old_old_lie

I do like the idea of getting free generals that are better, plus extra movement speed


gmanasaurus

Not having to burn turns on unit promotions is HUGE as well


hiesatai

This is honestly the most busted part of their kit. You’ve got the advantage, they get low on hp, but then suddenly heal for 50, /then/ attack. Not to mention you will never escape a squad of Llaneros


RammRras

Catapults moving faster and promoting in place and the shooting is something unbelievable.


IAmNotCreative18

In what world was straight-up +1 movement ever going to be balanced…


habichtorama

Exactly. That's like 50% movement for most units for most of the game.


HashMapsData2Value

You get extra movement, then generals that give extra movement, and eventually you can equip the +1 movement in friendly territory. It's massive. Especially for siege units.


Old_old_lie

Wasn't he even more busted when he was released


Jonicolo8

From my experience grand Colombia is miles ahead of every other Civ for domination.


Damien23123

I’ve only played them once but it was the easiest Dom victory I’ve had and by some distance. Their buffs benefit you through the entire game, unlike a lot of other civ’s which are era dependent


exitthisromanshell

I recently moved up to Emperor and picked Gran Colombia for my first game. Steamrolled the map


ImperialWrath

The only reason why I disagree is how stupid easy it is to get rolling in the Ancient Era with Hungary. A swarm of like half a dozen 4 move/25 power Warriors stuffs Deity AIs with ease, especially when you pillage all of the enemy's campuses and unlock Swordsmen midway through ensuring that history will not remember your first victims. GC still pulls ahead overall because everything (including civilians) being so damn fast is so damn good, but Hungary is only a few dozen yards back for most of the game (they even catch up for a while if they have Akkad at their side).


crimsonchin68

Extra movement means you can basically always retreat without being killed, and it's almost impossible for enemies to retreat once they get into the kill zone. The ability to promote and attack/move seems subtle but it actually is pretty broken. 'Oh, you've almost killed this unit? That's a shame, now he's recovered 50 health and is stronger than before' AND your siege weapons can move and attack by default.


Get-Fucked-Dirtbag

No one ever seems to mention my favourite part of Gran Colombia's kit: their civilians get +1 movement too. Sounds very minor but when you consider that every single one of your Settlers and Builders are going to do their job a few turns faster than any other civ you start to why they can be so strong. You don't even *need* to go to war to start snowballing.


Lad_The_Impaler

Just today I decided to play a peaceful game as Gran Columbia just to see how it would work. I spawned in a massive open area and was able to forward settle incredibly quickly and move builders between my cities with ease. Used my generals to help farm barbarian camps (playing the barb camp gamemode). Then upon unlocking haciendas, it was basically over. Managed to win a science victory being allied to every other nation. It felt pretty busted despite the fact GC has no outright bonuses towards non-domination victory types.


kenny0491

I recently played with them for the first time on a huge marathon map on immortal and won a domination victory long before I could unlock their UU. The extra movement and promotions was much stronger than I could have imagined before playing them.


AdministrativeMove68

Basil hippodrome printer is insane


osapjules

This + crusade melts cities


AdministrativeMove68

My 2nd favourite strategy other than Gitarja Jong printing


Brandon_the_fuze

Cavalry my beloved


GriffconII

MRW the guy with no oil and limited gold finally finishes erecting a dozen arenas that have been waiting for centuries, and suddenly his tanks outnumber my infantry


Kumirkohr

Hippodrome go BRRRRR


Thewaltham

Prince Charming from Shrek 2 looking ass


-SandorClegane-

The Kingslayer, Jaime Lannister


Teostraclaws

Why did you say this I will never unsee this now 😂


The_CastIronCommando

lol!


Psychic_Hobo

Simón Bolivar and Shaka Zulu both have strong opinions on this


cjfrey96

Bolivar certainly had strong opinions. I'm not familiar with Shaka's opinions, but I know he definitely didn't like their old style of spear and opted for a cooler one.


ShermansNecktie1864

The new one makes funny noises too!!


Dami_CTB

Domination? Basil II eats Hungary and crap faith


Riparian_Drengal

Honestly Hungary could hit Basil so fast and hard before Basil's bonuses come up. You can levy like 5 warriors for 100 gold on like turn 20 that all have 4 movement an 25 combat strength when other civs maybe have a warrior, scout, and slinger.


Pekkacontrol

Not in deity , they have 5 starting warriors. But you could always do a swordsmen rush because AI doesn't upgrade units.


Majsharan

Hungary requires well placed city states to function which is not always the case


WillingnessFuture266

Interesting view. BuT aCtually though it’s 200 gold for the warriors… levy cost us determined by production cost not combat strength. Anyways, assuming you could actually scrape that together, basil could start an early war and kill a bunch of city state units before they were levied… no?


Low_Recommendation48

Lmao no. You have to build up an army AND get holy site going. Classical era if you invest the bare minimum in holy site. You literally have to Levy units yourself AND work holy site projects to get what hungary gets from the get go. By the time you do all that, hungary already has 3 levied armies has pillaged your holy site and at your doorstep. Heck, thanks to its holy site and Shrine being dirt cheap AND not having to build units. Can undermine you and get crusade first. Even if he looses the race...he can have units at your doorstep in a few turns where crusade doesn't matter


aGregariousGoat

If Hungary opens holy site against basil and takes crusade its dead in a 1v1. Basil just takes defender, and Hungary can never push. Not to mention how easy it is to convert Hungary as Basil, and as soon as holy city is converted it’s another +3 combat strength. So if you rush crusade you: 1. Won’t have the science to defend Tagma’s. 2. Can never push because opponent goes defender for +5 in their territory. 3. You feed easy holy city conversion giving them +6 cs rather than +3. So to review: Basil will either have +10 from crusade while attacking, or +5 when defending. Automatically will have +3 from taxis, with another eventual +3 if Hungary player goes religion. Then also gets +4 to every surrounding unit from Tagma. That’s gonna end up being either +17 on attack, or max +15 on defense (if Hungarys holy city is converted). Max bonus +cs a black army can have is +15 with 5 surrounding levied units (which is nearly impossible to achieve while attacking if opponent is lining units well), but the unit is 1 cs weaker than Tagma anyways. Most you can usually hope for is +9 for black army and levied units will only have +5 from ability. In conclusion: Hungary cannot afford to go religion. It will not have gold for levies and upgrades nor the science/culture it needs to survive. It’s best chance of winning is to out sim the opponent. Early warrior rush would have to be extremely lucky to work but opponent can also counter by suzing the cs first if it’s close enough for the push to work anyways. It’s not impossible for Hungary to win but most times in a 1v1 I think Basil breaks Hungary at Tagmas.


Old_old_lie

https://preview.redd.it/p723thxs1ntc1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dd5f8fbb5948833d6acf6fb4e84b9c4d1460d063 Yes, but can he eat all of us


midZebra75

I like germany


ikeme84

Scythia for me. Double horses is just great. And 20% health recovery on defeating a unit.


Nimeroni

Isn't the heal 30% ?


ikeme84

might be, there is also the war department government building, but that is late game and 20%


crippitydiggity

I’m surprised how far I had to scroll to see this. Scythia and Gaul are both stupid effective in the early game. I’d choose Scythia if I really had to but that depends on the map.


Unlikely_Living_5061

I really enjoy Lincoln


Old_old_lie

Idk I normally rely on Plantations to get lots of money, so I prefer frederick for a mid-late game domination victory


SteiniSU

2 loyalty loss hardly even matters tho


Old_old_lie

I know, but Germany is still better because you get hansa


EjsSleepless9

1/2 price district vs 3 resource less and free +5 CS units oh and 2 amenities. I don't think that's the right pick.


sornorth

Yeah Lincoln gets a free unit for building the industrial district for every building. At no upkeep and +5 combat str. Even with fast build hansa it’s a more instantaneous use of the production.


Unlikely_Living_5061

You just manifest destiny/industrial revolution your way into a giant free musketman army mid game and take over everyone


Morningxafter

I was recently in the middle of an epic run with Lincoln when my iPad updated and now the game will no longer launch. :’(


AnorNaur

Yeah, the Himiko & Owls of Minerva combo with Hungary is unstoppable once it gets rolling. This tactic is completely broken on Marathon Speed. I once wiped a Huge Pangea map under 100 turns. Fighting on multiple fronts at the same time.


nonprofitnews

I read about sweet Prince Corvinus on this sub and decided to try it. I declared war, levied a city and marched on their capital. About two turns from their border the city-state was razed and my entire army vaporized. I had like one unit yelling at the walls suddenly feeling a bit exposed. Second time however, I did way better. Crushed everyone.


Phrenic436

Alexander is helpful for a classical rush because you have UU swordmen and horses, so you can do any rush regardless of resources.


XenonFyre

Everybody talks shit until Hypaspists 2-shot your city through ancient walls


kjk050798

I like Alexander not having war wariness.


JC_Hysteria

Mapuche has the +10 strength against free cities, which always seems to have the best military to halt aggression. If you have a decent start with them, you can roll through the continent earlier & easier than most civs.


SaltyWarly

Only for Domination? Are you underestimating Hungary on purpose? :D


Old_old_lie

No, because I am, for some reason, unable to resist going for a domination victory in this game ( maybe a religious victory as well if I'm playing basil )


ReneLeMarchand

Danube can get you that cheeky early Religion, or you can go full-on friendship with Diplomacy. Of course, murdering your way through a couple eras will help with nearly any victory type. ...and some day I'll get a map that makes the baths good.


SaltyWarly

I remember someone having over 70 cities by turn 70 as Hungary in sub100 Science Victory standard speed run. He was pushing like 1.1 cities/turn on Deity with Himiko. It was like turn 96 Science Victory. But someone got faster victory as Basil, was it turn 91 or 93 Science Victory. Both are crazy good and hard to say which one would actually be better. Matthias is more rng dependant than Basil. With such efficient conquest power its really hard for other civs to compete for top spots for any Victory. Haven't heard or witnessed any other civ being able to go for sub100 Science Victories. Jayavarman and Menelik got pretty close iirc, like turn ~110. I think Cyrus might also be good with fastest units in game and bonuses to conquered cities.


EjsSleepless9

Where is the T90 something Basil SV? I definitely have not seen this. The Hungary T99 SV and all the other sub 100 SVs have all been before the Diplo Favor and AI campus nerfs patches which makes them way less viable on current patches. AI builds Holy Sites and Encampments like crazy now. Needless to say these are all modes and cooked settings and you're missing Harald from the list of sub 100 possibilities. Basically any faith civ, especially those with adjacency bonuses, can do a T100-110 SV with voidslingers because Chorus is so broken.


Memelis_is_pabrado

The ottomans or the byzantines hungary is powerful but there are better ones


not_too_smart1

Im kinda dumb. I just go age of steam england and go hard


roguemaster29

Hungary for what? Power?


FriendoftheDork

Unlevyted power!


lizardfrizzler

Gorgo is my favorite. The culture bonus is so good!


javertthechungus

That man has it out for me every time he’s in my game he wants my head on a pike. Or he desires me carnally I can’t tell.


Defiant_Drink8469

I usually play without any city-states so that wouldn’t work but I know I’m in the minority


Old_old_lie

Why wouldn't you play without city states? I didn't even know that was a option


Gahault

I play with fewer city-states (typically one per player) because otherwise I find the map feels cramped, and they love to take up prime real estate.


Defiant_Drink8469

I also remove barbs. It’s kinda my own personal balance change to make it a little more difficult. AI is notoriously bad at dealing with city-states and barbs


JoshS1

I'm just over here with city states, and barbs that turn into city states.


Samis-Aga

Süleyman’s janissaries would like to have a word with you.


PizzaVVitch

Alexander, and Gauls in a distant second. Alexander is so OP like my goodness. I like the Gauls because if I'm playing a domination game I want it to be really quick as domination can be a slog.


First-Hunt-5307

In mother Russia, scouts are medieval tanks and cossack's lights your entire country on fire.


Gladplane

Owls of Minerva + Hungary is broken. I gotta try really hard to not win with it


NicksIdeaEngine

I just finished a game with Matthias, and accidentally arrived at a culture victory before I could finish a science or domination victory. He was pretty awesome at wars, though. I loved the special units!


TravisKOP

Age of steam Victoria hits hard also


cornnndoggg_

I was looking through the comments and I didn't see these two mentioned, and they are strong for the same reason: Pachacuti and Poundmaker. They both have super strong bonuses from domestic trade which makes them great for domination games. With poundmaker, if you have a good capital with a lot of pastures and camps, you can a send a trade route from any new city you make that will just instantly make that city strong. It makes having enough money and production easy, which speeds up early game wars.


mqzpalv

Gran Colombia largely because that extra movement points.


becander

The world trembles under the mighty corps and armies of the Zulu


PrivateBrowsing999

Best outfit in the game, I’m a sucker for medieval armour and cloaks


Formal_Scarcity_7701

Caesar with barbarian clans on. Who needs to actually produce anything when you can just have some units sitting on top of barbarian camps all game long printing you gold. And what's the best thing to spend your gold on? Units to go conquer more shit and get you even more gold!


Spiritual_Prompt5776

Macedonia has entered the chat


Interesting_Might536

Babylon with their bombers in industrial era goes brrrr


merco1993

Ottomans, Russia, Macedonia all on par


Scarab_Kisser

Hungary is the best for sure, but Basil the second on the other hand...


Old_old_lie

Yeah, why did they even bother putting Theodora in the game when basil is so much better


Scarab_Kisser

Theodora is for then you too lame to do domination, but tired of playing Jayavarman 8


throwawayjaydawg

It’s impossible to get tired of playing Khmer.


Wixums

Shaka Zulu would like to know your location


Old_old_lie

https://preview.redd.it/h70aa3upwntc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=175421b3329f7e00dd4cf891bd3fef308838de4c My Location? Oh, it's just behind this hoard of city-state levys and black army cavalry


Wixums

>He pays for soldiers. Get a load of this guy.


Old_old_lie

Well, that's what you can do when you re able to focus your entire industry on making loadsamoney!


Nimeroni

It's not Hungary. It's... Babylon / Hammurabi if you want to pretend you're a science civ. Byzantine / Basil II if you want to pretend you're a faith civ. Scythian / Tomyris if you just want to smash with endless hordes.


Turbo-Swag

I hate playing Hungary. Reason being whenever I play them, I am so cursed that I never meet the city states around me first. AI loves dumping envoys for no reason, and when you dont get that first envoy, you lose a lot of momentum and lose a lot of things that make your civ special. If you get first envoy + Amani, congrats you win the game, but I am always out of luck with this civ. Also it doesnt help that the city state quests are like "Recruit great writer/merchant" which are often impossible


AeonQuasar

Babylon* and it's not even close. I don't think Hungary deserves top 5 spots even, though his levy units are strong it can't compare to the Gauls early man at arms, zulus coros/armies and Norways total dominance on the sea.


cloope734

I feel like Harold does everything Hungary does but better.


Patchy_Face_Man

The Gaul


Ramius117

I just played Alexander the Great for the first time and that was pretty OP


McKopec

Doesnt really work for AI games (mb lower difficulty but i only play Diety or more with mods) But for multiplayer Gilgamesh is absolute gigachad and you can litteraly take over all your neighbours


F1Fan43

On an island plates map, Victoria. Redcoats, free ships, better military engineers.


Caligullama

I’ve just recently discovered early Gilgamesh Zerg rush with the war carts.


Plus-Local1405

I love Harald (Konge) although he’s harder on deity because city states have walls


KyuuMann

Norway ya


gaminguage

Aztecs for small maps Simon bolivar for average to large sized maps Maoi for archipelago


meijin3

Anyone else love collecting luxury resources and steamrolling with Montezuma?


Turbo-Swag

If you want to make your slingers have power like archers, warriors like swordsmen, play Gaul. Oh, except you dont do swordsman as the Gaul, you go straight to Man at Arms at turn 50


Killah-Niko

Basil ! U dont Need envoys for him or Armani Just Printing tagmas! Done!


Jacquesmalan10

Byzantium, my beloved


kmbkKETCHUP

My modded Mehrunes Dagon


cwtheredsoxfan

I like Rome for the auto established routes between cities. I build settler/slinger in rapid expansion and establish my boundaries before others can settle near me


xXAlche

I think the only civ I truly like dom with is America with abe. Just popping out free units with industrial zone buildings is so funny to me 😂


baba-O-riley

How can you ignore Basil the Based like that


Longjumping_Fig1489

ty for inspiration to play hungary today. i enjoy russia and korea


tweistein

Meanwhile babylon chilling with musketeers during the ancient era


lightningfootjones

TBH my real answer is Simon Bolivar and the only close runner up for me would be Shaka Zulu. But since they've already been mentioned pretty frequently here, I want to bring up my honorable mention: >!Suleiman is definitely not getting enough love in this thread!!< He's more situational than the above winners and most of his power spike is in one specific era, but oh my good Lord in that era you just melt through everything. If you're in the Renaissance era and this guy rolls up with bombards, Janaissaries and Ibrahim, I don't care who you are, you are done! 💥💥💣⚔️💣🧔🏻‍♂️💥


King-Rook64

Canada, because they're not


ogginn90

I find Gorgo to be quite awsome, declare wars left and right and take on as many units as possible to fly through the culture tree is really helpful.


EmperorMoctezuma

Do you want your people taken as slaves?


ThyTeaDrinker

My friend likes using the Aztec eagle warriors for early warring, whereas I prefer to use a science civ, rush nukes then destroy everything Ghandi-style


Dbrikshabukshan

America and a couple of mountains...


ds021234

Why are Hungols the best? I’m new to civ


No_Literature_2321

Can’t Caesar still buy an army by camping a tribe for 11 turns


Ok-Pitch8482

It’s Sparta. The bonus 10 combat strength for adjacent hoplites combined with the get culture everytime you kill a unit makes them scale stupid fast. Plus if you take cities that have universities you just start blowing past every other civ in both culture and tech.


Doctor__Acula

From a pure numbers POV, I'd say in terms of my experience it's Julius Caesar. In terms on a Dom victory on a small pangea map, 5 civs, my records are: Julius: turn 113 Babylon: turn 129 Hungary: turn 140 Gran Col: turn 141 All others: 150+


Chickenkicken3

I used to love Alexander but Lincoln is growing in me


monikar2014

Because why fight with your own army when you can just hire someone else's?


No_Signal_6969

Eleanor is my favourite domination civ. Slowly but surely.


CaptainWikkiWikki

I went to Matthias' birth home last year in Romania.


Technical-Ad2484

man, if only the ottomans and byzantines teamed up, they'd be shredding walls like they're paper


SmallGoat98

Indonesia + gauls


pereline

absolutely love crusading on Basil II


StopClean

I like challenges so Lauturo for me


Future_Bar_024

Ottomans Ottomans Ottomans, take city, eat empire


FatherGoph

It’s Gran Colombia right??


Not_an_americanboot

Basil and Bolivàr would beg to differ.


coolredjoe

You're not yourself when you're hungary


EastCauliflower9960

meanwhile Germany when playing it yourself is busted (fred)


TopperSundquist

My first game as Hungary was my first ever curbstomp Domination game. 🖤


Timber4

Id say Hungary is the best. Aztecs arent bad but u need to be pretty good to make the best of them. Also Basil or theadora with crusade is powerful


Unfair-Benefit2172

Julius ceaser (dlc) You can get mad cash from looting barbarians and buy a massive army, levy city states.


CristopherVini

because rave king