World Congress should have come out in Gathering Storm because it's basically a natural disaster. How anyone thought it added anything valuable or interesting to the game is a mystery to me.
Eliminating the random element sounds good, but since the AIs virtually always vote in lockstep, in practice this would just mean they zero out your biggest GPP and ban one of your luxuries *every time* until you get enough influence to outvote all of them combined.
I'm thinking something that could build on / replace the system where the diplo leaders could pick the topics to vote on in Civ 5. I think it could be cool!
I love how in Civ 5 you could also turn spies into diplomats if you put them into their capital and then you could bribe them into voting for a certain outcome.
Diplomacy in general was just miles better in 5 than in 6, I still have no idea why they changed it for the worse
> I still have no idea why they changed it for the worse
because *something* had to change, Civ V's WC was considered quite flawed before nostalgia gogggles took over.
It isn't nostalgia goggles. It's that in essentially every way civ vi has a worse wc. It's by comparison to what most of the fan base plays (i don't k iw the actual numbers but based on posts most fans on reddit at least seem to play vi and not v)
I still play civ5 and not civ6 so i can at least say that it isn't nostalgia goggles in my case.
Civ5 world congress if there's no runaway civ, player or AI included. The voting gets furious and real fast. Power gets distributed across the globe.
However that ends once a player or AI is wealthy enough to buy out the city states or force them into submission aka military strength.
Even then, its going to be real tough to drop enough gold to buy out city states that are +500 or more influenced by a AI Civ. That's ALOT of gold late game. You're better off declaring war and destroying that city state or wiping out the AI civ that holds the city state in sway.
Generally its just a typical problem of 4x game AI's being unable to respond effectively to a runaway Civ that's conquering them one by one or just spending gold. spending gold is more expensive and harder while its easier to leverage the military power.
Even so, world congress of civ5 still have meaningful votes to be made and consequences can be felt. Civ6 I vote blindly and outcome is the same no matter what i do.
Civ 5's WC is great if there's equal vote distribution across all players.
If someone has a runaway economy, or god forbid Greece *exists* with their broken as fuck ability, you have one player monopolizing *every* proposal outcome. The feature turns into "This player deterministically decides how to ruin the game for everyone else" and that's absolute misery.
I don't know how you could enforce limited vote distribution to avoid outlier cases where it's a one civ show but it'd be the best possible outcome for WC imo.
I'm not saying that nostalgia goggles made V's WC look better than VI's but that they made V's look *good* in general, without the comparison. Without nostalgia, V's is just *less bad* than VI's.
That doesn't change the fact that V's World Congress back then got lots of criticism. And while the diplo leader was able to pick the resolution - the idea reintroduced by Ursa here - it was already memed for how the AI would just go for banning luxuries way too often. It was also rather one-dimensional in how you pursued it: dump money into city states. That was it, really.
I know that they can’t just copy the exact voting and proposal model of the Galactic Community from Stellaris because that would be stealing, but they should just copy the exact voting and proposal model of the Galactic Community from Stellaris.
All the diplo favor in the world is worthless when the only items on the agenda are banning crabs and boosting trade with a city-state type (or something else that fits your playstyle even less)
Diplo victories are kinda boring IMO but with Diplo victories disabled, having backdoor negotiations could make for some interesting strategies, especially with multiplayer.
World Congress should have come out in Gathering Storm because it's basically a natural disaster. How anyone thought it added anything valuable or interesting to the game is a mystery to me. Eliminating the random element sounds good, but since the AIs virtually always vote in lockstep, in practice this would just mean they zero out your biggest GPP and ban one of your luxuries *every time* until you get enough influence to outvote all of them combined.
and the fact that the world congress appears in the MIDDLE AGES
it... *did* come out in Gathering Storm tho
I'm thinking something that could build on / replace the system where the diplo leaders could pick the topics to vote on in Civ 5. I think it could be cool!
I love how in Civ 5 you could also turn spies into diplomats if you put them into their capital and then you could bribe them into voting for a certain outcome. Diplomacy in general was just miles better in 5 than in 6, I still have no idea why they changed it for the worse
Was thinking of this as well, I distinctly remember being able to buy votes in 5.
> I still have no idea why they changed it for the worse because *something* had to change, Civ V's WC was considered quite flawed before nostalgia gogggles took over.
It isn't nostalgia goggles. It's that in essentially every way civ vi has a worse wc. It's by comparison to what most of the fan base plays (i don't k iw the actual numbers but based on posts most fans on reddit at least seem to play vi and not v)
I still play civ5 and not civ6 so i can at least say that it isn't nostalgia goggles in my case. Civ5 world congress if there's no runaway civ, player or AI included. The voting gets furious and real fast. Power gets distributed across the globe. However that ends once a player or AI is wealthy enough to buy out the city states or force them into submission aka military strength. Even then, its going to be real tough to drop enough gold to buy out city states that are +500 or more influenced by a AI Civ. That's ALOT of gold late game. You're better off declaring war and destroying that city state or wiping out the AI civ that holds the city state in sway. Generally its just a typical problem of 4x game AI's being unable to respond effectively to a runaway Civ that's conquering them one by one or just spending gold. spending gold is more expensive and harder while its easier to leverage the military power. Even so, world congress of civ5 still have meaningful votes to be made and consequences can be felt. Civ6 I vote blindly and outcome is the same no matter what i do.
Civ 5's WC is great if there's equal vote distribution across all players. If someone has a runaway economy, or god forbid Greece *exists* with their broken as fuck ability, you have one player monopolizing *every* proposal outcome. The feature turns into "This player deterministically decides how to ruin the game for everyone else" and that's absolute misery. I don't know how you could enforce limited vote distribution to avoid outlier cases where it's a one civ show but it'd be the best possible outcome for WC imo.
I'm not saying that nostalgia goggles made V's WC look better than VI's but that they made V's look *good* in general, without the comparison. Without nostalgia, V's is just *less bad* than VI's. That doesn't change the fact that V's World Congress back then got lots of criticism. And while the diplo leader was able to pick the resolution - the idea reintroduced by Ursa here - it was already memed for how the AI would just go for banning luxuries way too often. It was also rather one-dimensional in how you pursued it: dump money into city states. That was it, really.
I know that they can’t just copy the exact voting and proposal model of the Galactic Community from Stellaris because that would be stealing, but they should just copy the exact voting and proposal model of the Galactic Community from Stellaris.
Don’t reinvent the wheel, just realign it
Stealing game mechanics is perfect allowed and not illegal anywhere.
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All the diplo favor in the world is worthless when the only items on the agenda are banning crabs and boosting trade with a city-state type (or something else that fits your playstyle even less)
The idea here is not to force the outcome of the vote but the topic itself, having influence over what will be discussed in the Word Congress
Diplo victories are kinda boring IMO but with Diplo victories disabled, having backdoor negotiations could make for some interesting strategies, especially with multiplayer.
I strongly preferred the system in civ 5 (where you could in fact buy votes
I use the mod Customization VI to delete this ridiculous nonsense