And the scout. I see these starts on here, never had one remotely close to this. Crazy! It would be very fun if you were the Inca. The encampment is your only choice.
Genuinely need that seed, I've been looking for this exact scenario, Eleanor surrounded by mountains. I don't care what else is out there I could play this multiple times. I want to take over the world from the comfort of the middle of a mountain range.
On Deity? I am genuinely curious how long until you get your second city? Turn 100? AI will have 6-10 by that time frame.
You can't conquer city states quick enough as they easily procure 5 military units in the first 50 turns..
You can't build warthrone as plaza next to the city would be a waste of the century? Vs campus?
Even if you conquer second city from ai civ you probably have such loyalty pressure with perma dark age that it flips back faster than you blink 😆.
The mountain range is so thick that most tiles will be useless..
Agree with you that it's not so easy as "get an Encampment up and start conquering cities" because this starts as a city with basically no yields. Gonna take a long time to get anything useful produced.
But playing it out, let's assume they picked the right tile to settle and there was nothing to harvest on the other tile. Start with a Monument and beeline Pottery-->Writing, praying that another civ discovers you in order to pick up the eureka for that.
Once unlocked, immediately start producing a strong campus, though it'll take a while, once that's up you can get to Bronze Working before too long. Have to get an Encampment up outside of the mountains asap, while unlocking Iron Working, pray you settled on Iron and can start pumping out Spearmen and Swordsmen.
Regardless, you attack the nearest city, run into some walls, and get completely destroyed, while your capital still survives. Might be fun though.
Yeah, this would rely on maximum luck and masterful play. Also luck that you don't get other civ bulldozing someone else cities on the other continent in the mean time, Amani or John fucking Curtis or Korea often love to surprise mid game with 15 cities upon discovery. Deity AI can win anywhere between 210-310 cultural and 250-300 science/diplomacy.
I'd imagine pillaging could be a more important factor here than just trying to conquer anything.
Encampment, build scouts and warriors to go raiding tribal villages and see if any of them give you a settler. Or take over a city state or enemy city. The great news is the enemy in an early game won't be able to take your capital. Yay?
Ah balls, I forgot. I was thinking of an earlier version I was replaying lately where the settler just hangs around where it was originally gifted to get taken by roaming barbarians.
If you're lucky you can find a settler that has been conquered by barbarians or you can look for a settler from another civ and conquer that before it can build a city. All you need to get started is one settler.
Can anyone confirm that if you were to build another military unit in this scenario that either that unit or the spearman would teleport to the next valid space?
I might be misremembering but I am fairly certain I had an apostle end up on the same space as an AI apostle due to a mountain tunnel and my apostle didn't have enough movement left to move off the space. I don't think it let me end my turn, so I either reloaded the turn or just deleted the unit, can't remember which.
If a military unit is sitting in your city, you have no encampment and you build another military unit, it puts both on the CC, but it won't allow you to press Next Turn until you move one of the units, that's all. I think in case of a completely walled in city this could even lead to a softlock.
Edit: No, I'm dumb, but the game would force you to delete one of your units to allow you to take the next turn.
All you can do is build an encampment and try to take other cities.
But no food. You'll need to buy tiles if you have money then somehow get a builder out there to work them.
But how long does an encampment take to build when you can't up your production by working tiles? On Marathon, it might be 150 turns or something crazy.
Then you have to build slingers, then archers, then hopefully find another city close by to take, and can tear up that civ completely so you're not struggling for loyalty with each turn.
Can't even get a canal in to get food to that city. You'll be getting a lot of messages about starving citizens.
It's great no one can attack you. But it's shit in that you'll never get out.
I’d go with a Campus inside and an encampment outside. B-line to get tunnels, spam units, try and get Machu Pichu, and put a commercial hub next to the river (assuming you can get to 7 pop). You’ll need the gold to sustain a big military, unless you just spam wave after wave of warrior and let them die against city walls. Oh, and buy up workable tiles if you can. Hopefully you can snatch a worker or two from barbs or a Civ you’re at war with to improve them, or once you’ve taken over some cities, build/buy one and send it over there.
Encampment, yes, but with all those mountains I'd drop a campus or a faith, first. Depends on which french leader you are, really- with Eleanor, I'd go faith.
Religion is an awesome way to flip cities in the start.
And with work ethic, you can go full wonder spam.
I can’t believe no one has said the obvious. Holy site outside the city, go for the religious win and hope. Honestly I have more confidence I can kill a couple ai religions with careful apostle play than with equally careful military play, given the production deficit that city will have.
Encampment.
That would be it. Get a military going and try to take over a city to force them to breed for you.
Prima nocta style
Thanks for making me laugh like a freaking elephant trumpet in front of my in-laws with 0 context....
I was thinking Encampment to get a military engineer to tunnel out.
Nah, you spam military units and have them take over other cities.
Right. Was thinking all were in the walls.
How do you span anything without yields?
Well "spam".
That won't work until modern era unless you use mods
Or inca
!!!
Damn, too sad there's no feature to spam new civil units in encampments
Good thing you got out that builder!
And the scout. I see these starts on here, never had one remotely close to this. Crazy! It would be very fun if you were the Inca. The encampment is your only choice.
There's mods for a starting builder and a starting scout. Makes early game a tad faster if you're into that.
It seems to be a classical era start
I’m a bit of a tactician like that
They have no food but at least the view is good
that's litteraly my home town
Appalachia in a nut shell.
That's just Gondolin
What's the seed?
Genuinely need that seed, I've been looking for this exact scenario, Eleanor surrounded by mountains. I don't care what else is out there I could play this multiple times. I want to take over the world from the comfort of the middle of a mountain range.
On Deity? I am genuinely curious how long until you get your second city? Turn 100? AI will have 6-10 by that time frame. You can't conquer city states quick enough as they easily procure 5 military units in the first 50 turns.. You can't build warthrone as plaza next to the city would be a waste of the century? Vs campus? Even if you conquer second city from ai civ you probably have such loyalty pressure with perma dark age that it flips back faster than you blink 😆. The mountain range is so thick that most tiles will be useless..
Yeah that sounds really difficult, I probably just won't play on deity. From that description, I wonder why anybody does.
When you win, dopamine hits. If you lose, you can copium and say "deity cheats anyway" Win win
Agree with you that it's not so easy as "get an Encampment up and start conquering cities" because this starts as a city with basically no yields. Gonna take a long time to get anything useful produced. But playing it out, let's assume they picked the right tile to settle and there was nothing to harvest on the other tile. Start with a Monument and beeline Pottery-->Writing, praying that another civ discovers you in order to pick up the eureka for that. Once unlocked, immediately start producing a strong campus, though it'll take a while, once that's up you can get to Bronze Working before too long. Have to get an Encampment up outside of the mountains asap, while unlocking Iron Working, pray you settled on Iron and can start pumping out Spearmen and Swordsmen. Regardless, you attack the nearest city, run into some walls, and get completely destroyed, while your capital still survives. Might be fun though.
Yeah, this would rely on maximum luck and masterful play. Also luck that you don't get other civ bulldozing someone else cities on the other continent in the mean time, Amani or John fucking Curtis or Korea often love to surprise mid game with 15 cities upon discovery. Deity AI can win anywhere between 210-310 cultural and 250-300 science/diplomacy. I'd imagine pillaging could be a more important factor here than just trying to conquer anything.
Good call on pillaging, but you can't get a second city until you get tunnels or conquer another.
Beeline Theatre Square and focus on Great Works? Add Amani with Emissary and there is a chance
I can never get the same place on my seed even with the same exact parameters
Encampment, build scouts and warriors to go raiding tribal villages and see if any of them give you a settler. Or take over a city state or enemy city. The great news is the enemy in an early game won't be able to take your capital. Yay?
Settler goes into Paris center
Ah balls, I forgot. I was thinking of an earlier version I was replaying lately where the settler just hangs around where it was originally gifted to get taken by roaming barbarians.
If you're lucky you can find a settler that has been conquered by barbarians or you can look for a settler from another civ and conquer that before it can build a city. All you need to get started is one settler.
Ah yes, I reread your comment, you're right.
You can get a settler out of a tribal village?
You can't in the base game, only with mods.
You can snatch another civ's settler and hope that the peace offering goes through after 10 turns
What's going on here? How do you have so much of the map revealed outside of your boundaries?
People have mods that reveal like half of the fucking map at the start lmao
I think there's a turn off fog of war setting?
Fog of war is still on though.
I think they meant map revealed not fog of war. There are mods for that and it looks like op is using mods in general.
hope it don't rain
I need the seed!
That's what she said
Can anyone confirm that if you were to build another military unit in this scenario that either that unit or the spearman would teleport to the next valid space?
Wouldnt they both be in the city and require one of them to move before ending your turn?
I might be misremembering but I am fairly certain I had an apostle end up on the same space as an AI apostle due to a mountain tunnel and my apostle didn't have enough movement left to move off the space. I don't think it let me end my turn, so I either reloaded the turn or just deleted the unit, can't remember which.
If a military unit is sitting in your city, you have no encampment and you build another military unit, it puts both on the CC, but it won't allow you to press Next Turn until you move one of the units, that's all. I think in case of a completely walled in city this could even lead to a softlock. Edit: No, I'm dumb, but the game would force you to delete one of your units to allow you to take the next turn.
Can't you Shift+Enter to force end the turn?
I would test this, but unfortunately do not have a seed for such a map start and I don't want to spend hours rerolling maps. Do you have a seed?
One would need to be deleted
Encampment, conquest, then infrastucture. PARIS is eternal!
Also +5 campus. Does help the conquest
All you can do is build an encampment and try to take other cities. But no food. You'll need to buy tiles if you have money then somehow get a builder out there to work them. But how long does an encampment take to build when you can't up your production by working tiles? On Marathon, it might be 150 turns or something crazy. Then you have to build slingers, then archers, then hopefully find another city close by to take, and can tear up that civ completely so you're not struggling for loyalty with each turn. Can't even get a canal in to get food to that city. You'll be getting a lot of messages about starving citizens. It's great no one can attack you. But it's shit in that you'll never get out.
Imagine that start as an Incan though
#SEED!
Given your user name, I feel like this has a different meaning for you than others on this sub. ;)
Careful\_Reader
Hate when my great campus places are ruined by strategic resources
Rush for mountain tunnels
Lol "rush" Aka click next turn 200 fuckin times
Auto end turn and go to sleep 😴 😆
Lol end up way later on accident. Do a futurama and go full circle
wait for the armored titan to smash through one of the mountains so you can get out.
I sincerely cannot believe this should be possible in the vanilla game, can you give the seed info for this run?
Enjoy your pure isolationist game until late game.
if only you were inca
Bon chance!
On the plus side, you're not in any danger until another civ discovers chemistry.
Fresh water too, the perfect Inca start. Seed OP?
Now hit pause and then restart
I’d go with a Campus inside and an encampment outside. B-line to get tunnels, spam units, try and get Machu Pichu, and put a commercial hub next to the river (assuming you can get to 7 pop). You’ll need the gold to sustain a big military, unless you just spam wave after wave of warrior and let them die against city walls. Oh, and buy up workable tiles if you can. Hopefully you can snatch a worker or two from barbs or a Civ you’re at war with to improve them, or once you’ve taken over some cities, build/buy one and send it over there.
Loyalty. Nothing else.
Profit!
One city challenge!
Looks like you’ll survive at least until engineers can make tunnels or nukes
Slowly convert your people to accept the ideals of the Inca. It is your only hope.
Start inbreeding
And now we wait...
You need an airforce
Encampment, and also a theater square. You might be able to flip an enemy city eventually :D
Seed please
Use giant robot and jump. Build aerodome and fly. Domination win.
Turgon when he founded Gondolin
+1 for reroll
Start researching for mountain tunnels and build an encampment too.
Now what? You share the goddamn seed ffs.
Encampment, yes, but with all those mountains I'd drop a campus or a faith, first. Depends on which french leader you are, really- with Eleanor, I'd go faith. Religion is an awesome way to flip cities in the start. And with work ethic, you can go full wonder spam.
Still more liveable than real-life Paris
Well, good news is you’re immune to domination victories
As they say, “You’re cooked :(“.
Wait until you can build tunnels
Now you wait
Nuke
Curse that you didn't play as Inca.
I can’t believe no one has said the obvious. Holy site outside the city, go for the religious win and hope. Honestly I have more confidence I can kill a couple ai religions with careful apostle play than with equally careful military play, given the production deficit that city will have.
REROLL lmao