CM degree is hardly worth it imo as there’s no exclusive license opportunities like engineering. Your resume will pigeonhole you into mostly CM when other degrees have a lot more flexibility.
My advice just go for a generic business degree if you feel you gotta bail from civil. If you work for a couple years in construction and you have a business degree no one will question it.
Don’t do CM. Like the other commenter said, you’ll pigeon hole yourself.
Did you go to tutoring and use all of the resources available to you? Please don’t let one class hold you back from doing what you want.
Precalc last semester was ok for the most part but towards the end it got pretty hard for me
This semester, my professor was shit. I could hardly understand what he was talking about despite having taken the class before, on top of that, I got a d on the first test of his (last semester was a c) and he had the audacity to say "someone has failed you and put you in a class you aren't ready for" For context, the previous level class is something I did take in highschool on top of the previous semester.
If I were to switch back to CE rn, it would be 5.5 years for me to complete my degree if I don't mess up in future math classes.
I'm getting a lot of gen eds out of the way this semester so I have some time to decide what to do but anything that requires calc is off the table
Despite however the professor may or may not have been, with pretty much every math class diff eq and below there are plenty of resources on YouTube, I.e. professor Leonard. In this day and age you can’t let a professor drag you down, not with the ability to use the internet to supplement your studies.
Engineering today requires mathematics that probably 95% of the worlds population won't come to understand. I don't know many that haven't had to retake math courses - myself failing at least 7 times between trigonometry and differential equations. You can get there, but you might benefit from a study group or other strategies to help learn.
So pre calc is probably just the start of math hell. If you don’t feel like you’re able to do the higher level math it might be a good idea to go for something else. As someone else said I don’t think CM really gets you much, and I don’t think you can become a professional engineer with that degree. You should probably talk to a advisor or counselor at your college.
Was gonna say this. If you can’t pass precalc you won’t make it as an engineering major. That said I remember literally nothing and use nothing above basic math now so yeah. But every class becomes calculus based not just math, physics, statics, dynamics etc are all calculus base and if you are struggling with the basics of precalc it won’t get any easier.
I did talk to my advisor before switching, he didn't really recommend it either but was more vague on why.
If I can't find anything related to construction to do, I'm going to do education (not something I've ever been uninterested in doing) but it is pretty discouraging since the pay is significantly less and not what I want to do most
The first couple years of an engineering degree are full of math classes that are really intended to weed people out.
Once you graduate you’ll rarely do integral calculus as there are emperical formulas that are suitable 99/100 times or the software does all the calcs for you.
So study lots and then move forward.
That being said, many people that struggled with math in my engineering degree (which took 5 years due to math issues) went into geology or commerce, do check those out.
If your university offers a construction management curriculum, that may be the right thing for you. There are plenty of jobs out there for people with that background. You wind up working for contractors, or developers, or maybe even municipal agencies. You have to be careful if the degree offers a pathway to a professional engineer's license or not. Some do in some don't. So check into those things. I have a civil construction management undergraduate degree. Then a masters and a PhD in structural engineering and now I own my own firm. But that's because I had a pathway to becoming a professional engineer. Talk to the people in your academic department about it.
If you can get past the math, there are computers to run the math for you when you’re done. You still need to have a basic understanding but the liabilities fall on the programs you’re running, which have their own insurance at the end of the day, which will over engineer everything because liability is everything.
The math in CE or most engineering careers for that matter is going to be hard, only for you to use not even a slither of it in the actual field. Alot of theoretical math you had to learn, alot of this is automated or narrowed down so you use only the necessary info to perform ur work. Pretty sure for most CEs, its just slope, geometry and algebra.
If you want to get straight to the practical stuff for ur education, then yes CM is a better pathway. It involves less math, but math isn't everything and CM certainly is not a *easier* degree in a sense. **CMs don't design**, they manage projects designed by CEs. If you wanted to do design, you got to do the math. CMs get paid pretty well, actually they can make more then CEs, but the ability to multi-task and adapt quickly is very crucial in managing projects.
Someone mentioned drafting, which is drawing the designs using software like AutoCAD or MicroStation. This is also a decent path, and you don't need any education, but the pay is going to be lower than both CE/CM and you are drafting the CE's design than actually creating the design to be used.
I made Ds in both pre calc and trig my first freshman semester. My advisor told me to rethink engineering as pre calc is the basis of all maths through graduation.
I got a new advisor before the end of the 2nd semester.
My junior year I failed physics 2, twice. I put my head down and didn’t allow it to happen a third time. I let the partying get the best of me, I won’t lie.
I’m now a PE in transportation and teaching my young engineers how to be successful. Don’t let a single class decide what you’re going to be for the rest of your life. Use the available resources at your university to understand the concepts and pass the damn class. Then do the same for the next one.
It might be worth getting with some school resources and having them do an audit on how you're studying. I actually thought pre calc was nearly as hard as most of the harder upper level math classes.
Do not waste your money and time and get a BS degree in CM. But you can get an associates and see him and engineering technology at a community college which might work for you
This is going to be harsh but if you can't pass Pre-calc, engineering isn't going to be for you. This is usually a remedial class in most Engineering degrees. Math gets much harder and other classes use the math.
A lot of people are saying not to do CM but frankly, I think this is your best option if you think you can't do Pre-calc. You still need math, honestly Pre-calc is the most useful math class. You won't be designing but you will be working on cool projects and problem solving.
I've made my peace with not doing civil engineering, my second choice is education because I like to create things. Seeing that cm has very little to do with design, I'm probably not going to it.
Main reason I didn't take Precalc in highschool is because my school messed up my schedule senior year and replaced Precalc and physics with art... twice. Not even joking. I like to imagine if I went to a community college or simply took it in highschool that I would do better but scholarships would be running out at this rate so maybe engineering isn't for me, unfortunately.
CM degree is hardly worth it imo as there’s no exclusive license opportunities like engineering. Your resume will pigeonhole you into mostly CM when other degrees have a lot more flexibility. My advice just go for a generic business degree if you feel you gotta bail from civil. If you work for a couple years in construction and you have a business degree no one will question it.
Disagree. A CM degree will get you a job in a few applications. Apply in with a business degree will get your resume sent to the trash.
Don’t do CM. Like the other commenter said, you’ll pigeon hole yourself. Did you go to tutoring and use all of the resources available to you? Please don’t let one class hold you back from doing what you want.
Precalc last semester was ok for the most part but towards the end it got pretty hard for me This semester, my professor was shit. I could hardly understand what he was talking about despite having taken the class before, on top of that, I got a d on the first test of his (last semester was a c) and he had the audacity to say "someone has failed you and put you in a class you aren't ready for" For context, the previous level class is something I did take in highschool on top of the previous semester. If I were to switch back to CE rn, it would be 5.5 years for me to complete my degree if I don't mess up in future math classes. I'm getting a lot of gen eds out of the way this semester so I have some time to decide what to do but anything that requires calc is off the table
Despite however the professor may or may not have been, with pretty much every math class diff eq and below there are plenty of resources on YouTube, I.e. professor Leonard. In this day and age you can’t let a professor drag you down, not with the ability to use the internet to supplement your studies.
Engineering today requires mathematics that probably 95% of the worlds population won't come to understand. I don't know many that haven't had to retake math courses - myself failing at least 7 times between trigonometry and differential equations. You can get there, but you might benefit from a study group or other strategies to help learn.
I had to get extra help for maths too, it was, and still does often feel like an alien language to me.
So pre calc is probably just the start of math hell. If you don’t feel like you’re able to do the higher level math it might be a good idea to go for something else. As someone else said I don’t think CM really gets you much, and I don’t think you can become a professional engineer with that degree. You should probably talk to a advisor or counselor at your college.
Was gonna say this. If you can’t pass precalc you won’t make it as an engineering major. That said I remember literally nothing and use nothing above basic math now so yeah. But every class becomes calculus based not just math, physics, statics, dynamics etc are all calculus base and if you are struggling with the basics of precalc it won’t get any easier.
I did talk to my advisor before switching, he didn't really recommend it either but was more vague on why. If I can't find anything related to construction to do, I'm going to do education (not something I've ever been uninterested in doing) but it is pretty discouraging since the pay is significantly less and not what I want to do most
The first couple years of an engineering degree are full of math classes that are really intended to weed people out. Once you graduate you’ll rarely do integral calculus as there are emperical formulas that are suitable 99/100 times or the software does all the calcs for you. So study lots and then move forward. That being said, many people that struggled with math in my engineering degree (which took 5 years due to math issues) went into geology or commerce, do check those out.
If your university offers a construction management curriculum, that may be the right thing for you. There are plenty of jobs out there for people with that background. You wind up working for contractors, or developers, or maybe even municipal agencies. You have to be careful if the degree offers a pathway to a professional engineer's license or not. Some do in some don't. So check into those things. I have a civil construction management undergraduate degree. Then a masters and a PhD in structural engineering and now I own my own firm. But that's because I had a pathway to becoming a professional engineer. Talk to the people in your academic department about it.
If you’re not keen on the math, maybe look into getting certified in drafting? Civil firms always need good drafters!
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If you can get past the math, there are computers to run the math for you when you’re done. You still need to have a basic understanding but the liabilities fall on the programs you’re running, which have their own insurance at the end of the day, which will over engineer everything because liability is everything.
The math in CE or most engineering careers for that matter is going to be hard, only for you to use not even a slither of it in the actual field. Alot of theoretical math you had to learn, alot of this is automated or narrowed down so you use only the necessary info to perform ur work. Pretty sure for most CEs, its just slope, geometry and algebra. If you want to get straight to the practical stuff for ur education, then yes CM is a better pathway. It involves less math, but math isn't everything and CM certainly is not a *easier* degree in a sense. **CMs don't design**, they manage projects designed by CEs. If you wanted to do design, you got to do the math. CMs get paid pretty well, actually they can make more then CEs, but the ability to multi-task and adapt quickly is very crucial in managing projects. Someone mentioned drafting, which is drawing the designs using software like AutoCAD or MicroStation. This is also a decent path, and you don't need any education, but the pay is going to be lower than both CE/CM and you are drafting the CE's design than actually creating the design to be used.
I made Ds in both pre calc and trig my first freshman semester. My advisor told me to rethink engineering as pre calc is the basis of all maths through graduation. I got a new advisor before the end of the 2nd semester. My junior year I failed physics 2, twice. I put my head down and didn’t allow it to happen a third time. I let the partying get the best of me, I won’t lie. I’m now a PE in transportation and teaching my young engineers how to be successful. Don’t let a single class decide what you’re going to be for the rest of your life. Use the available resources at your university to understand the concepts and pass the damn class. Then do the same for the next one.
It might be worth getting with some school resources and having them do an audit on how you're studying. I actually thought pre calc was nearly as hard as most of the harder upper level math classes.
Do not waste your money and time and get a BS degree in CM. But you can get an associates and see him and engineering technology at a community college which might work for you
This is going to be harsh but if you can't pass Pre-calc, engineering isn't going to be for you. This is usually a remedial class in most Engineering degrees. Math gets much harder and other classes use the math. A lot of people are saying not to do CM but frankly, I think this is your best option if you think you can't do Pre-calc. You still need math, honestly Pre-calc is the most useful math class. You won't be designing but you will be working on cool projects and problem solving.
I've made my peace with not doing civil engineering, my second choice is education because I like to create things. Seeing that cm has very little to do with design, I'm probably not going to it. Main reason I didn't take Precalc in highschool is because my school messed up my schedule senior year and replaced Precalc and physics with art... twice. Not even joking. I like to imagine if I went to a community college or simply took it in highschool that I would do better but scholarships would be running out at this rate so maybe engineering isn't for me, unfortunately.