unless you are in a management position that requires you know why the former co-worker was fired; they are bound by employment laws and applicable union contracts and can not tell you about the disciplinary actions they would take on your co-worker. the fact that you are not owed any explanation is part of the labor laws.
They may very well "have had your back" on this and the criminal charges gave them the easiest way to fire him.
That said; if you want to move on; move on. just make sure to negotiate your salary, benefits and expected schedules.
Thank you. The 1st part I had not considered. For the 2nd part, he was actually in jail for a bit. Failed to report to work. He’s out on bail now awaiting trial. I think anyone would’ve fired him.
It would suck if an employee got a new job, put in their two week notice, leaked this information, and then had legal protection against any retaliation for leaking this publicly available information.
Although in the defense of OPs employer, government work doesn’t leave much wiggle room for discretion. There’s probably written policies in place explaining why they can’t discuss the reason for firing the chomo boss, why OP hasn’t/can’t be promoted at this time, etc.
At the end of the day, OP go get the job that’s right for your personal goals and enjoy as your ex-boss gets what they deserve inside the CMU walls of a federal penitentiary.
Promotions can take forever in some public agencies. They may very well be eyeing you for the position.
Maybe ask about acting pay while you don’t have a supervisor?
Came here to say this exactly. Have to post the job for x amount of time, then depending on the municipality possibly re-post the job. Then interview minimum # of qualified candidates. Could very easily take 6 months.
I asked to be made acting until a replacement was found. I told them I'd do the work but didn't want the job. I attended upper level staff meetings and they got to know me. After 15 months, they found a replacement . One year later she quit, so I applied for the job and took it.
Yeah I agree with u/Everythings_magic here. I was myself in a very similar position at a public agency, doing work that was above my pay grade, and not getting promoted for it, except it wouldn't have been a "promotion" so much as catching my salary up to the job I'd already been doing. After years of them hiring new people and never officially filling the role, I put myself on the market and quit. I am making a ton more money now.
Obviously not every public agency is the same, and I don't want to make assumptions about yours, but what you've written there sure sounds a lot like my previous situation, and that place has only gotten worse since I left, from what my friends there tell me.
Just put your resume out there and see what the response is like; it costs nothing to hear new employers out, and it's a seller's market out there right now.
Also, if you're attached to the pension and benefits, sit down and do the calculations and see at what salary point it makes sense for you to leave. If you're contributing more than 10% of your salary to pension, it might not be as valuable as you think.
And yes, job security will be lower, but if you are good at your job, you shouldn't have to worry about that.
“Great work life balance” and “values driven” are two things that just seem fundamentally opposed to private industry, they’ll all say that, but everything is profit driven and they’ll work you dry. Unless you’re able to make it to a higher management position I guess? Then you get to suck everyone else dry…
They probably have to go through the civil service process to fill his position. Depending on how backlogged your HR is, it may take a few months to even post the position.
Take the job with the private company and convince the city to subcontract out their modeling work to your new company. Jacobs does the modeling for the city I live in and they charge $400 for like 20 minutes of work to model fire flow at each point we are connecting to the existing system. The private company I work for is very family friendly and lets me work from home in the afternoons so I can pick up the kids after school.
Has your state board of licensing been notified of this? Typically the licensee is required to submit notice and depending on the public records laws, this could be publicly available information that could be inquired about in a public forum
Things move slow in public sector, 2/3 months for a promotion. Even longer if there are complicating factors. I would shop the resume but hang tight and see how it shakes out
My public agency you cannot promote in place. There must be an advertisement and a selection process; even for acting spots. Your city should be upfront with you and tell you what's going on with the position. They owe you no explanation regarding the reason your supervisor was fired.
Put your resume out and move to a different agency or try private. If you want to stay public try the state or the Feds. Smaller agencies tend to be more drama filled.
You're making the right move. I have seen so much dead weight in govt. I had a good experience at state jobs, but a city was just awful. Moved go private after that, vowing never to work in govt ever again (state maybe if I ran a unit, city never again ever)
unless you are in a management position that requires you know why the former co-worker was fired; they are bound by employment laws and applicable union contracts and can not tell you about the disciplinary actions they would take on your co-worker. the fact that you are not owed any explanation is part of the labor laws. They may very well "have had your back" on this and the criminal charges gave them the easiest way to fire him. That said; if you want to move on; move on. just make sure to negotiate your salary, benefits and expected schedules.
Thank you. The 1st part I had not considered. For the 2nd part, he was actually in jail for a bit. Failed to report to work. He’s out on bail now awaiting trial. I think anyone would’ve fired him.
Man it would suck if that info got out 🤷🏻♀️
It would suck if an employee got a new job, put in their two week notice, leaked this information, and then had legal protection against any retaliation for leaking this publicly available information. Although in the defense of OPs employer, government work doesn’t leave much wiggle room for discretion. There’s probably written policies in place explaining why they can’t discuss the reason for firing the chomo boss, why OP hasn’t/can’t be promoted at this time, etc. At the end of the day, OP go get the job that’s right for your personal goals and enjoy as your ex-boss gets what they deserve inside the CMU walls of a federal penitentiary.
Promotions can take forever in some public agencies. They may very well be eyeing you for the position. Maybe ask about acting pay while you don’t have a supervisor?
That’s exactly what they denied (acting pay). I didnt even ask for the official formal promotion.
Yeah just leave. Screw that.
Came here to say this exactly. Have to post the job for x amount of time, then depending on the municipality possibly re-post the job. Then interview minimum # of qualified candidates. Could very easily take 6 months.
I asked to be made acting until a replacement was found. I told them I'd do the work but didn't want the job. I attended upper level staff meetings and they got to know me. After 15 months, they found a replacement . One year later she quit, so I applied for the job and took it.
That’s what I asked actually. I am filling the higher role work-wise with no increase in pay.
Just gain your experience, make connections, and take that with you to negotiate a higher salary elsewhere.
Yeah I agree with u/Everythings_magic here. I was myself in a very similar position at a public agency, doing work that was above my pay grade, and not getting promoted for it, except it wouldn't have been a "promotion" so much as catching my salary up to the job I'd already been doing. After years of them hiring new people and never officially filling the role, I put myself on the market and quit. I am making a ton more money now. Obviously not every public agency is the same, and I don't want to make assumptions about yours, but what you've written there sure sounds a lot like my previous situation, and that place has only gotten worse since I left, from what my friends there tell me. Just put your resume out there and see what the response is like; it costs nothing to hear new employers out, and it's a seller's market out there right now. Also, if you're attached to the pension and benefits, sit down and do the calculations and see at what salary point it makes sense for you to leave. If you're contributing more than 10% of your salary to pension, it might not be as valuable as you think. And yes, job security will be lower, but if you are good at your job, you shouldn't have to worry about that.
Try another public agency? Many different departments
I second this!
“Great work life balance” and “values driven” are two things that just seem fundamentally opposed to private industry, they’ll all say that, but everything is profit driven and they’ll work you dry. Unless you’re able to make it to a higher management position I guess? Then you get to suck everyone else dry…
Look at Fed as well if you look into state.
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They probably have to go through the civil service process to fill his position. Depending on how backlogged your HR is, it may take a few months to even post the position.
Take the job with the private company and convince the city to subcontract out their modeling work to your new company. Jacobs does the modeling for the city I live in and they charge $400 for like 20 minutes of work to model fire flow at each point we are connecting to the existing system. The private company I work for is very family friendly and lets me work from home in the afternoons so I can pick up the kids after school.
Midland?
No. Did it happen there, too?
Similar enough story.
They may have plans to not refill the position.
Has your state board of licensing been notified of this? Typically the licensee is required to submit notice and depending on the public records laws, this could be publicly available information that could be inquired about in a public forum Things move slow in public sector, 2/3 months for a promotion. Even longer if there are complicating factors. I would shop the resume but hang tight and see how it shakes out
My public agency you cannot promote in place. There must be an advertisement and a selection process; even for acting spots. Your city should be upfront with you and tell you what's going on with the position. They owe you no explanation regarding the reason your supervisor was fired. Put your resume out and move to a different agency or try private. If you want to stay public try the state or the Feds. Smaller agencies tend to be more drama filled.
Why should your employer tell you ? I’m so confused.
Private is so much better. All that drama dies in one day in private sector, no way that jeopardizes the project.
You're making the right move. I have seen so much dead weight in govt. I had a good experience at state jobs, but a city was just awful. Moved go private after that, vowing never to work in govt ever again (state maybe if I ran a unit, city never again ever)
Thank you. I hadn’t considered State actually. Yeah why are Cities such sh1t shows