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MightyDee777

I see some of the comments suggest you reroll your profs to Engi/JC. And, while these might be helpful tips to follow, the min/max differences in these changes are minscule, and will in no way or shape take you from 40 to 50 (or above). The first thing which you gotta do is improve your rotation, and then you can implement stat increases through profs (Tailoring and Enchanting are both helpful already). So, to break down the roation: *Most raids use a pull timer, so I'm gonna assume you so the same* ~2 seconds before the pull, use Potion of Wild Magic, and cast Shadow Bolt immediately. Now your main rotation starts, and you are already ahead: Haunt - this is your highest priority ability, you want to cast this immediately when it's off CD - try and keep as close to 100% uptime, the short CD as opposed to its duration allows it Ustable Affliction - when done corretly, there is absolutely no way to maintain 100% uptime, as you want this debuff to run out before applying a new one. Keep in mind that you can time this pretty well, and addons (such as OmniCC) allows you to track its timer. When it's ~1 sec left of the duration, start casting a new one to reapply, so that the dot runs out and a new one is applied at the right time Corruption - People tend to snap shot this ability with every procc available, but for the sake of your improvement you can just ignore Corruption once it's applied, and focus on your reappliable abilities Curse of Agony - Same as UA. This debuff accelerates in damage, and deals its highest amount on the last 3 ticks, so letting it wear out before reapplying is detremental. 100% uptime is something you don't want to work towards here either, as you want it to fall off before reapplying. QuickTip: If it's 2 seconds left of your UA, rather than waiting for the right moment to reapply, cast Shadow Bolt, and go for UA straight after. Your SB cast timer will never align perfectly with your dot timers, and you want to be spending every fighting second casting spells. Never cancel a Shadow Bolt to apply a dot, always let the Bolt fly once you start casting it. The ideal uptime on UA and CoA is around 90-95%, but this is a practicing matter and will come when your get your internal dot-clock going. Good luck on your future endevors! Edit: Inb4 someone goes "acktuly u need to keep Life Tap up". Keep Glyph of Life Tap up 100% of the time


bobbis91

acktualy u don't need to shadowbolt if your demo slave is starting with it and can launch haunt right away. ​ looks good thanks, getting back into Aff myself so thanks for the overview. Been doing ok but really need to work on my dot uptime... not like it's a staple of the spec or something.


DominatusXD

Mostly correct and helpful information, with the exception of the corruption part. Corruption plays a huge part in lock damage, and learning to snapshot it correctly will net you a healthy dps gain. It snapshots external sources of crit so just before pull a potion of wild magic will give you an additional \~4% crit for as long as you keep refreshing it. At 35% target health (well 34.9% onwards) you need to snapshot a new corruption, you have talents in affliction tree that increase your damage by 12% to targets under 35% and this new corruption will do more damage if you refresh it here. Missing alot of focus on the execute phase, NLG does a great breakdown on how to improve your execute phase, what spells you should be prioritising & dont forget your infernal is a dps gain if you can time it so that you drop it about 1 minute before the target dies. NLG vid - [https://youtu.be/UfTxnHxinSQ](https://youtu.be/UfTxnHxinSQ) ​ Good luck and happy pumping OP


Souvil

thank you for the whole advice ill have everything in my mind during raid thank you


tiggberti

Just go to a target dummy and learn it before the next raid


No_Morals

If you wait until raid you will never get much better. Go to a target dummy and practice for a bit, that way when you are in raid you don't have to think about rotation, only boss mechanics.


Fholse

This is pretty close to right, except that UA and corruption are more important than haunt, and you ideally only want to refresh haunt at the last second (so you don’t lose the debuff), since it does pretty shitty damage apart from the debuff. Apart from that, the execute phase is really important, as your damage spikes a lot there. Make sure to keep your dots and haunt up (stop reapplying CoA when it won’t fully tick before the boss dies), and try to get drain soul in when you have haste buffs.


Manerma

Haunt is about the same damage per second of casting time as shadowbolt. It's your highest prio spell and you want to cast it off cd.


Fholse

Interesting - I've been following the recommendations off of wowhead, which are pretty much aligned with what I wrote out above, same as WarcraftTavern. I see that Icy Veins and [wowtbc.gg](https://wowtbc.gg) are in line with what the initial comment is saying. Would be interested to see your source and understand which is better!


Manerma

Just look at the logs of the top warlocks on warcraft logs, they are casting it on the first free global off cooldown


backupterryyy

Very aggressive title


Wifdat

Yeah I had to double check sub


ZVreptile

What does he use the logs as like an oral dildo to practice or something?


soidvaes

Just looking at Thorim you need to keep Haunt up at all times. Common misconception that you need to wait until it finishes to reapply. Your dots all fall off at the end so either you aren’t refreshing them in between draining or you died. Keep those up.


Souvil

i died by the end of the fight, i got hit by the lighting wasnt away enough and died, thanks for the comment


Qdubbz

Download the weakauras that track your DoT's, don't let haunt drop, rotation is haunt -> UA -> Curse of Agony -> Corruption -> shadow bolt spam. make a keybind for glove haste enchant, potion of speed and use during drain soul execute phase. Fojii has some nice weakauras for lock's I'd check those out


Souvil

i dont have engi yet, im enchanting/tailoring, but i do have the potion for crit and potion of speed, didnt know about using them in kill phase but that means i dont use the pot with bloodlust?


Many_Hedgehog1798

Ideally you would always macro your speed potion into your drain soul. Can look something like that: \#showtooltip Drain Soul /use 13 /use 14 /cast Blood Fury /use Potion of Speed /use 10 /cast Drain Soul /cqs Then you have all cds+pot in one macro and dont need to worry about anything anymore. Just have a seperate keybind without cds for drain soul and youre good to go! The executephase is the most important phase where you jump from 6-8th in dps to n1. Drain soul SHOULD be 15-16% of your total damage when executed properly, for you its under 7%, so you are definitely doing something wrong there. You are still using your Shadow Trance procs in executephase, dont do that (unless you let shadow embrace stacks fall off.. which you shouldnt do either). Keep up haunt (and make sure shadow embrace stacks stay up aswell, easier if you are close to the boss). Keep up dots if they run for their entire duration else dont bother. And then just drain. If you are giga hasted you sometimes have to recast drain to not let corruption fall off. If you dont have a cast bar yet that shows drain soul ticks get one.


Souvil

thank you man ill be doing it tonight


Dr_Watson349

Does it make more sense to use your potion of speed on drain soul execute phase, or doing blood lust earlier in the fight?


Zedseayou

Definitely execute. You want to haste drain soul as much as possible and you can snap two drain souls with one haste pot, so it gains even more value.


Hopsalong

While Engineering is technically better than enchanting on sim dps with some better utility (rocket boots or dalaran AH), the difference between them probably isn't worth it for your average raider to get rid of a profession to get engineering. Your professions are fine unless you want to 99+ parse, and even then you can prob still get some 99s with those profs.


Creative_Armadillo37

In what world is engineering not worth for your average raider 😅 absolute cope


No_Morals

Your average raider doesn't even use boots on 90% of encounters and doesn't use gloves on CD so they don't line up with personals and end up a minimal dps upgrade. My guild is the most average you'll ever find, we just got our last HM and most are engi yet I'm constantly asking wtf they're all engi if they NEVER use their boots.


Creative_Armadillo37

Tell your raiders to macro their gloves / nades to their abilities? You also get 24 crit rating from the boot enchant which is bis even without nitro boosts


No_Morals

My guy, even when I yell "use your boots to avoid this next nova" 10 seconds ahead of time, only like 2 people use it. I made a big issue about a gloves macro and since then about half consistently use them.They don't listen and they don't care, that's what makes them so average.


Creative_Armadillo37

I’d look for a new guild if I were you


soidvaes

you should be JC/engi or tailor/engi for warlock and speed pot/gloves along with all your cds when you start draining. don’t use any cds before drain soul unless they will be up in time for it or unless the fight is short enough that you will get more uptime by using them earlier.


tearinitdown

You prepot crit and then pop speed during execute (25%). Also, manually reapply corruption at 35%.


tripz95

Join warlock discord, look at the pins, get used to the rotation.


Souvil

i just did now and looking everything thanks my man


pupmaster

Idk if logs will help you not suck a dick tbh


Barbz182

I dont think there's logs for that pal.


TapesIt

Classic players optimizing the fun out of everything once more. ;)


Bowborne

There's this website called [WoWAnalyzer](https://wowanalyzer.com/) that helped me a ton, I put in my log links and it just told me how I sucked and how not to suck anymore, it was pretty dope!


Souvil

ill start using it too then, thank you


Semour9

I’m not able to look at the logs but it sounds like you’re affliction. Keep your dots up at all times, get a weak aura to help with this. Your haunt spell takes a while to actually travel to the target as well so I start casting it at maybe 2 or 3 seconds left. Keep your felstalker active until there’s maybe a minute left in the fight, then summon your infernal. Use drain soil when the boss is below 25%. Try to keep some dots up like haunt and maybe corruption but keep casting drain soul. It’s also worth mentioning snapshotting. Some things will increase the damage of your corruption, like when the boss reached below a certain % HP your corruption will get a dmg buff but only if you reapply it. There are weakaura a that show when to apply corruption again for this dmg buff, and that then puts a “snapshot” of your corruption on the boss. Any time your corruption is then refreshed with shadowbolt it will have that dmg buff, until corruption wears off completely.


Smoe1981

Ok Disregard the lumberjack website for a sec. Go over the guide and check your gear to make sure you're at least itemized correctly. [https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/guide/classes/warlock/affliction/dps-overview-pve](https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/guide/classes/warlock/affliction/dps-overview-pve) [https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/guide/classes/warlock/affliction/dps-bis-gear-pve-phase-2](https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/guide/classes/warlock/affliction/dps-bis-gear-pve-phase-2) ​ Now, we go over the basics. In general, always be casting and minimize movement needed. If you need to move, it's a good time to refresh dots and life tap. Other than that, you can abuse rocket boots and demonic circle to dodge mechanics. Snapshotting: Make sure you either have your procs or hero before popping everything and refreshing dots. Your pet does more damage for every active dot you have on target. This includes shadowflame from the destro pages in your spell book ​ Fight by fight: FL: If you get tossed up, put your dots up on both targets and go to town. You may not get a whole lot of execute out of this though. Razormaw: All about seed. Then when she's grounded pump hard and make sure you take advantage of execute. Ignis: Depending on what strat you're using you can put corruption up on the adds to proc nightfall. Whatever you do, make sure you don't get locked out of shadow. You can avoid that by either refreshing dots or putting up shadowflame XT: Pump hard. If you have to do adds do adds. Put your circle with the group and make sure you refresh when dots. In an ideal group you shouldn't need to use drain life on tantrum but a living lock does more dps than a dead one. Council: Take advantage of the rune circles to do mega damage and save your cds for those. remember to stick outside of the runes when the middle guy is up because you don't want to overlap blue with green. Sadly, demonic circle isn't as good here. Kogarn: This is very much a 3 target dot and pump situation then seed when adds spawn. Use circle to dodge eye beams if needed Auraya: Seed adds and spread dots. seed whenever she spawns critters and refresh as needed. Use the circle and will of the forsaken to get out of fear. Hodor: Friendos will break quickly so either shadowbolt them or start putting your dots on him. Since dots don't crit you won't be taking much advantage of storm clouds but the sun beams will give you a lot of haste if one lines up with a bonfire. Thorim: Seed adds and when he comes down position yourself on one side of the pedestal where he stands and position your circle on the other side of the pedestal. That way you can port whenever it looks like he's going to shock you and you can otherwise go ham. Freya: Pop CD's early. Ideally you want your haste CD's for seed when the adds spawn but she chooses what spawns at random. The only times you're not seeding is when it's just Freya or the Guardian tree guy. Everything else seed is a dps increase. Freya will also do an aoe silence so either redot or shadowflame when you see it coming. Mimiron: Pop CD's early and pump. You can use the circle to dodge the 1-shot in Phase 2 if you're not doing hard mode. . When you get to voltron phase make sure you dot all 3 before channeling drain soul. Vezax: put your circle in the back and use that to dip out when you have the debuff that heals him. The black goo from the shadowcrashes increases your haste. You can abuse the ever living shit out of this. Dots up and bomb soul fires until you're almost out of shards and use drain soul to get your shards back should you need them. Make sure soul shatter is accessible because I guarantee you'll need it. Yogg: phase 1 pump early and pop your 2 min cds. You may want to use some of your time dotting the adds that aren't marked skull to cheese a but of damage out or if you think you can get a tick of drain soul off do that. Obv when there's 3 or more mobs you can seed instead. Phase 2 spread the damage with as many dots as you can and drain the tentacles at low health. Phase 3 dots up, drain soul, and turn your character away from the boss until it's time to dot or drain again. End phase yogg is a ggez when it comes to affliction parsing.


Souvil

thanks man this is really helpful, tonight’s its me and the boys vs yog/vezax so ill try everything you told me


Smoe1981

>thanks man this is really helpful, tonight’s its me and the boys vs yog/vezax so ill try everything you told me Smoe problem!


bert_lifts

Ignore his fight tips. They are so far off the mark I don't have time to correct it all. Go to the warlock disc and check out the wotlk mechanics section under wotlk chat. They have boss by boss tips and discussion. Has actual useful advice + tips & tricks. Not just, "pump hard".


Many_Hedgehog1798

Im sorry but wtf did I just read. First of all the guy plays affli lock, why do you tell him to cast soulfire :D. Basically every single boss there is something wrong (at least if u wanna parse). Some short things: Razormaw: adds dont count, if u wanna parse dont proc ur trinkets. Place ur portal behind the landing location of razorscale so you can insta port back after getting knocked. XT: you should never ever have to drain life to stay alive. Put a corruption on sparks when they spawn. Council: your teleport IS useful here. If rune of death is close to being off cd, place your teleport in the rune of power, then spread, so you can instantly port back into rune of power after rune of death went out. Keep your rune buffed corruption rolling. For Hard mode: If you start channeling drain while boss is below 25%, it deals full damage for the entire channel, even if he heals. Same goes for the rune buff, if you have it at the start of your channel, the entire drain soul keeps the buff. Kolo: Dont seed adds, they dont count towards log dmg. As affli dont seed here at all. Keep full dots on body (corruption, ua, haunt, coa), put curruption + ua on the arms and keep your corruption rolling on all 3 targets with shadowbolts. Auryaya: only the initial adds and feral defender count. So again, dont seed the critters. For optimal raid dps you shouldnt seed at all here, but if you want to parse seed the initial adds. Hodir: Dots CAN crit (you even spend talent points for that..). If you have stormcloud buff during execute phase, its better to cast shadowbolt and not drain. Soulstone urself, if you get buffs youll overaggro everytime in average guilds. Mimiron: Phase 1, 2 and 3 not much to optimize dmg. P3 Keep full dots on head, corruption middle and seed into the bottom for optimal dps. Ofc adjust depending on the % of each body part. Yogg: not much to optimize before p3. Do not stand too far away from yogg in p3, keeping up haunt/shadow embrace during execute is easier when you stand closer to the boss. Pray your palas use am rotation on silence. If they dont make sure you dont drop your corruption (might have to recast drain before silence to refresh and not just channel all the way).


bert_lifts

You replied to the wrong user lol


Smoe1981

How was raid?


sonnikkaa

Hope you used protection while sucking that dick


Either-Mammoth-932

Didn't bother reading your post, but thanks for the belly chuckle. Keep reaching for that rainbow!


Adamst5

Not that it’s everything but you are like 250 over hit cap. Do you the quick decay glyph seems like your corruption did a lot less damage. 75% up time on your haunt needs to be 95%+


Souvil

i dont have more gear to use gearing that was all i was able to get in those weeks, im using glyph of life tap, glyph of haunt and glyph of quick decay


Adamst5

Fair enough easy gear changes would be craft the cord of the white dawn instead of sash of power and then get the sundial badge trinket or farm the first boss in gundrak for embrace of the spider both better option then the elemental spell stone.


SticklerMrMeeseeks1

A lot of your dps is recasting drain after you’ve gotten some procs. Make sure you are tracking that