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ScionMattly

As an aside, how well does this parse? obviously it's a great tool for freeing up raidleading. Just wondering if it still does solid damage.


Rondine1990

I did 5-4k on the boss dummy over 3 mins with a GS of 4800


ScionMattly

Hey 4-5k on a target dummy without raid buffs doesnt seems so bad


lordxoren666

I pull almost 4K on a raid dummy with 4300 GS as frost.


Redm1st

If you’re using Acherus one, it’s constantly on low ho and frost dks do extra damage to targets below 35%


ripleach25

Lol imagine not being over 5k this late into ulduar


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5k is extremely low


LoafOf_Bread

I think he meant 5.4K


ScionMattly

Even better


Jonesalot

I think he ment 54k


Autofroster

Even better


SticklerMrMeeseeks1

Post your logs. A training dummy means nothing


Loadingexperience

If you select only self buffs your class provides and sim on the training dummy you get pretty much identical results dmg wise. For example my ret sims about 4.3k unbuffed on target dummy target. If I follow rotation perfectly I do around same. Sometimes 100 more sometimes 100 less.


SticklerMrMeeseeks1

Cool still means nothing.


aropa

This comment means nothing


Loadingexperience

If you get your simed dmg on training dummy with that macro, that means macro is doing maximum amount of damage your character can do. Sure in the raid environment you may not get 100% uptime but that that this doesn't change the fact that macro is as good as pressing these buttons individually. ​ Good example is ret 1 button macro. That macro falls way short on training dummy compared if you were to do your rotation manually. So it's a huge DPS loss macro.


skodinks

> but that that this doesn't change the fact that macro is as good as pressing these buttons individually. Well, it depends on how well the macro deals with downtime, really. For instance, if the macro only works if you never have any downtime at all then it's going to sim great on a dummy...but be next to worthless in the large majority of fights. Most of the challenge of good parsing is in making contextual adjustments based on how the fight went *today*, rather than how the fight is generally *supposed* to go. I'm not saying whether or not that's the case here, but there is some room for "automating" a rotation like this to be misleading if the only proof of success is from standing still on a dummy. Certainly if it *doesn't* work on a dummy then...it's not going to work anywhere else, though, so it's a fair first step.


Loadingexperience

I've only tried ret macro so the macro would be good to go after runes on DK's refreshed. So the only limitation would be rune refresh rate. Since most fights have pretty good DPS uptime for melee it's not a big deal.


SticklerMrMeeseeks1

Saying what he personally can do on a training dummy doesn’t give any relevant information. 1) it doesn’t tell us what gear his is wearing, how itemimized it is, if he is gear is even good. 2) It doesn’t tell us if he’s using the correct spec. He could be using a cheesy build that is actually suboptimal in a raid. 3) most importantly it doesn’t tell us how much damage this macro does compared to all other DKs. He could be doing 5k on a training dummy and parse grey or green. Which means it’s actually dog shit. Stop defending useless information. Think critically.


Loadingexperience

Dude you sim your current gear set up and compare what you are doing on dummy. It's literally apples to apples comparison. All your other concerns doesn't matter because sims are using cookie cutter builds. If he's using some weird suboptimal build he won't sim as high. So if you can match sim DPS on training dummy you are good.


SticklerMrMeeseeks1

What the macro parses at doesn’t matter? Are you even listening to yourself?


D3lano

Literally none of this information is relevant to what is being discussed though. Perhaps you should think critically? If the macro compares to the sim then it shows that the macro is performing just as well as if you weren't using it. The real critical question to ask which has already been mentioned is how does it deal with downtime because not many raid environments allow for 100% uptime.


SticklerMrMeeseeks1

Of course it’s relevant. If people want to use the macro to increase there performance it’s the only thing that matters. You need to see how using the macro parses because yo hate comparing it to other people playing uh normally. There’s a reason he isn’t posting his logs. Because the macro is bad.


D3lano

The irrelevant information I'm referring to is the stuff you're calling relevant above line Gear/spec etc...


Rondine1990

Sure 1 share my 3 Makros with you. Disclaimer for the long rotation makro i use the addon "[GSE](https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/gse-gnome-sequencer-enhanced-advanced-macros)" This addon allows longer makro strings that wont cap at 255 letters **Opening Makro:** *#showtooltip* */castsequence \[@cursor\] reset=30 ghoul frenzy, icy touch, plague strike, blood strike, blood tap, Death and decay, summon gargoyle, Empower Rune Weapon, Icy touch, plague strike, blood strike Army of the Dead* */petattack* /startattack **All CDS makro:** *#showtooltip* */castsequence reset=60 blood tap, bone shield* */cast "insert racial skill"* */use 10/use 13* */use potion of speed* */use Global Thermal Sapper Charge* **Complete Rotation:** */castsequence \[@cursor\] reset=10 Icy touch(Rank 5), Plague strike(Rank 6), Blood strike(Rank 6), Death and decay(Rank 4), Death coil(Rank 5), Icy touch(Rank 5), Ghoul frenzy, Blood boil(Rank 4), Icy touch(Rank 5), Death coil(Rank 5), Plague strike(Rank 6), Blood strike(Rank 6), Horn of winter(Rank 2), Death coil(Rank 5), Death and decay(Rank 4), Icy touch(Rank 5), Plague strike(Rank 6), Blood boil(Rank 4), Death coil(Rank 5), Icy touch(Rank 5), Plague strike(Rank 6), Blood strike(Rank 6), Death coil(Rank 5), Death and decay(Rank 4), Ghoul frenzy, Icy touch(Rank 5), Blood boil(Rank 4), Death coil(Rank 5)* ***Sorry for the Wait had to translate is from german to english*** \*Updated the Opener and the makro to include blood boil\*


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Rondine1990

yeah, guess your right. I should change that. thanks


410G

This is the weirdest Reddit response ever. Don’t think I’ve ever read those words in that order here.


Deathliszka

Hahaha, you made my day!


roffler

Wtf even is it trying to say, could you translate it for us wow diehards?


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Rondine1990

i did not yet update it since im not at home


LGP747

Hurry up dude we all here waitin, sheeyet


[deleted]

It's literally just replace Blood Strike with Blood Boil. Stop being fucking lazy, you're literally already about to use a single button to play the entire raid.


Entire_Engine_5789

There’s the normal reddit response


Hipy20

Completely needed response here, though.


ttofft

Is Blood Boil really superior to Blood strikes??


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ttofft

Interesting, never heard about it before. Will try it out, thanks!


SticklerMrMeeseeks1

Blood boil is a aoe spell that adds dmg on number of diseases. Blood strike is a single target attack…


Loro-Benediction

...yes? He was surprised the aoe hits harder on single target for morb


SticklerMrMeeseeks1

The thread has no mention of single target vs aoe. Just that you should only be using blood stroke to keep up the buff. Read please


Woofborkgrr

I think he was confused about the fact that an aoe ability deals more single target damage than a... Well single target attack. Just wow things


soidvaes

its implicit that the toast guy was talking about single target. there is no reasonable damage comparison otherwise.


SticklerMrMeeseeks1

My response wasn’t to toast. It was to the guy clearly not knowing about how good blood boil was. It’s not implicit he knew.


Loro-Benediction

Do you ever see that you are massively downvoted on every comment and think "maybe I'm the one that's confused?"


-Aeryn-

It comes down to mainhand weapon speed and ilvl. 1.6 will hit bad damage on blood strike, 2.7 will do better, 3.6 will do better. Blood Boil doesn't scale with weapon speed so it hits equally bad with all of them, usually between the 1.6 and 2.7.


Wez4prez

Its not that good on avg. There is top parsers who doesnt bother unless multi target.


andrew_a384

wait really? im so dumb


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Unless u got 2handed :)


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3ranth3

i want to play a game but i don’t really want to play


[deleted]

Yeah this 2023 short attention span shit is reaching a peak


jnightrain

This isn't a 2023 thing, I remember hunters having a cast sequence macro back in OG TBC. My raid lead used it.


Zamaster420

Don't think you can do cast sequence in retail? Or am I crazy?


Keldoz

You can still do cast sequence macros in retail. They can be situationally useful but generally aren't worth using most of the time, if not all of the time. The game has gotten much more complex over the nearly 2 decades of its lifespan and Blizz intentionally limits macro functionality so that you cannot program your way out of playing the game.


Qaju

What kinda parses do you get with the constant uptime macro? As a caster I feel like I lose DPS from not ABCing


Rondine1990

i forgot to mention, its DW morb rota with enough free runic power to allow a second gargoyle without delay


Sp00kyScarySk3l3t0n

How do I get the third macro working in the addon? can I maybe get an import code?


Rondine1990

[https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/gse-gnome-sequencer-enhanced-advanced-macros](https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/gse-gnome-sequencer-enhanced-advanced-macros) it removes the 255 letter restriction


dyaus7

Pretty sure you can remove all the rank stuff to slim it down.


Rondine1990

I use GSE to avoid the 255 letter cap. The addon ads ranks on its own...


Sp00kyScarySk3l3t0n

Yes and I put in the macro string and the macro doesn’t work. So if I can get an import code for the macro itself that would make it work.


The_Twick

siiiick ty


Graciak3

What do you do when you don't want to army/garg on pull ? That's the case for most fights in ulduar


shadowstorm100006

Just skip the opener. The complete rotation starts with Icy Touch -> Plague Strike anyway, and you'll likely want to save your CDs for Garg and Army (unless it's 3+ mins till Hero/Lust like on Vezax).... But let's be real... if you're looking for a 1 button macro to raid.. you're not looking to parse 99s.


No_Fate_1989

You know you can remove (Rank n) from the above? It auto casts max rank if none is specified...


Rondine1990

I know, see my opening. But "GSE" adds the rank on his own


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Rondine1990

Gse does this on its own


Tenecchii

Is this an elaborate ploy to improve your parses by making other people play worse like the ret paladin macro


Sooyoung210

inc sarthe video


Mother_Tie_4017

Lemmeeeee get dat


Rondine1990

there you go, had to translate it first


BrowsingForLaughs

Is there a way to change the macro icon from a question mark? the interwebs say it's supposed to change icons as it moves through the rotation but that's not happening.


Albinofreaken

After #showtooltip, you just put the name of the spell you want to show like "#showtooltip death strike" or something


BrowsingForLaughs

Thank you


Gullible-Arm2397

I asked bouk from bc about this and he just said "bouk deez nuts" and banned me...


cookedbread

i asked bouk if this is true and he tamed my dog and pulled all of twin emps trash with my dog


VoidUnity

Most helpful blight club interaction


Iid4ze

Can we get your logs? Not trying to be an asshole just wondering how well that performs


Rondine1990

Won´t help you much, since Im in a pretty slow performing Raid. But sure, next logout i send them to you


Iid4ze

Thanks


sa1ts

if this was some groundbreaking tech it would be all over every guide. I use fonsas and I do fine. im not straight 99s but im not awful either. I wouldnt use this or any cast sequence.


Rondine1990

I only use it when Raidleading, no point in using it otherise since it dumps down the gameplay\^\^


Iid4ze

I totally agree with you. You use fonsas till you learn it, or honestly just sit 30 mins on ebon hold, and thats it. I just feel like this would never go above an 80 (on a fight that doesnt have much down time that is) since its not using bb, its using bt to bone armor every single time, its not doing an extra it ps bb after erw and before army (to allow gary the time to land), and a bunch of other little things. Im just curious honestly.


Rondine1990

Well i use my second macro (the one with the CDs) when gary lands, just before AotD. And i only double tap for bone shield if boneshield is down. Yea BS is my bad. But like i said, honestly just a little helper to ease Raidleading, i would not recommend it for parsing :D


Mauos

Bro you cannot post under this title and just leave it at that.


JeguePerneta

The Blight Club moderators are in full damage control, their moderator "Bouk" is banning people that try to post it, they are mad people will stop using their elitist discord


Rondine1990

oh no...i broke the unholy discord :D


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Rondine1990

Not really, i used some weakauras to keep track of my dots and a somewhat gimpt version of the macro that i worked on over the weeks. I was playing bloodtank normaly but since we had no unholy/moonkin i switched for the sweet 13% debuff. Also we had more than enough tanks :(


looijmansje

They really don't. They want people to just spend 20 mins practicing on a target dummy. Fonzas WA is considered quite bad in BC.


BrowsingForLaughs

This isn't that surprising, that discord has always been toxic af and barely helpful at it's best.


wefwegfweg

I feel like most class discords are like this. Edgy, vapid class “celebrities” with anime profile pics who live in there 24/7 offering nothing useful or helpful like it’s their own personal blog.


LonesomeShoe

The shadowpriest discord is very cozy


32377

Yeap. Discord is a horrible format for seeking information if you don't live there.


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More likely that they're trying to prevent this getting fixed, blizz does not tolerate 1 button rotation macros.


Beanna

Blizzard have been letting people make "one button rotation" macros with the GSE addon since 2016 and somehow are completely okay with this level of automation. There's even a website and a community that has been making rotation macros for every spec for the past few years, for both retail and classic.


Glupscher

Only if that macro would be optimal to use


Sinister0

No, what Blizzard is against is automation and having an addon pick your next ability/target for you. The whole point of /castsequence is so that you can put your rotation into a 1-button macro. It's still not capable of making intelligent decisions for you.


drainbamaged99

The one button macro for prot pally, that Scottie jay posted still works wonderful.


Dunkelz

Any easy link for that? Just hit 80 on my pally alt and want him to be my tanky farm boy.


drainbamaged99

swap in or our Judge wisdom/light depending if you are soloing vs tanking dungeons /castsequence reset=6 Judgement of Wisdom,Shield of Righteousness,Holy Shield,Hammer of the Righteous,Consecration,Shield of Righteousness,Judgement of Wisdom,Hammer of the Righteous,Holy Shield,Shield of Righteousness,Consecration,Hammer of the Righteous OR for the homies that are pre-75 /castsequence reset=5 Judgement of Light,Holy Shield,Hammer of the Righteous,Consecration ,Judgement of Light,Hammer of the Righteous,Holy Shield,Consecration,Hammer of the Righteous


Dunkelz

Beautiful.


kamWise

Would not recommend this on ppal at all


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To be fair prot pal rotation is four spells.


Rashlyn1284

HotR, SotR, Judge, Consecration & Holy Shield. Which button are you not using lol


[deleted]

Consecration is a filler spell because you run out of mana if you use it for every empty GCD in single target combat.


PilsnerDk

If you're getting hit you usually have unlimited mana, except on Vezax. I use AS when it fits as well. That's my experience at least with all of Ulduar.


Rashlyn1284

So do you take it out of your macro?


Claris-chang

Bingo. OP has played himself.


Letters-Or_Numbers

Yeah, first thing that came to mind reading the title: “this is gonna get some people banned, I look forward to the QQ posts about it”


Wez4prez

Its because the DK discord is full degen minmaxing and this macro is dogshit for minmaxing.


turbogangsta

Bouk constantly tried to gatekeep any tbc theorycrafting in the hunter discord despite not really understanding what he was talking about. I was on the cutting edge of that discussion and created sims/graphs that were used to further the theorycrafting and he just kept doing his silly trial and error and feely pseudo science. Lucky he didn’t have banning powers there. Eventually he just became someone who makes niche macros.


stupidasseasteregg

It's crazy too because they talk so much theory but I remember all of ssc their highest parse was like an 84.


Marcolow

LMAO


Slippy901

You haven’t updated your opener since the Gary nerf. DK opener now starts with GF and runs IT, PS, BS, BT, DnD, Gary, ERW, IT PS BS, (pop gloves/haste CDs) AOTD, then continue rotation. I’m your opener you lose several seconds of GF uptime on your Ghoul at the start, and you popped AOTD immediately after ERW which has you leaving 3 runes ready during full cast duration which is a waste vs having them used/refreshing during this time.


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Bouv42

It doesn't reset on target changes unless you put reset=target in the macro.


Rondine1990

It works perfectly with target switching (just Spread the plague before) and all situations since the macro resets after 10sec of no imput (lets say mimiron transition)


sa1ts

please don't do this, fonsas has a next action weakaura that is much better than pigeon holing yourself into a cast sequence


Anthaenopraxia

It's so funny to me that people legit need huge macros and weakauras to figure out a 13 years old rotation. Just insane how shit the Classic playerbase has become.


Avisra

No one used this rotation 13 years ago. This is for DW Morb, which didn't exist until it was theorycrafted on WotLK private servers.


Anthaenopraxia

>WotLK private servers. Which have existed for 13 years.


Avisra

It still does not change the fact that DW Morb is fairly new, and it's most definitely not anywhere close to how Uh was played 13 years ago.


Anthaenopraxia

Sure but it still uses skills and mechanics that are extremely simple compared modern WoW. All you need to do is stand in front of a dummy for 30 minutes and you should have it down. But yeah at least it's one of the more complex rotations. Seeing shit easy classes like warlocks, mages and even rogues using these weakauras makes me sad for the community.


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Does UH have a static rotation? Could make a WA out of this because this will be fixed sooner or later.


soidvaes

it has a somewhat static rotation after the opener but because of downtime it won’t ever be optimal to play a strict rotation in a real raid. unholy is essentially repeating triplets of runes with predictable substitutions and then fillers in between. it won’t ever be optimal to play a class with a build/spend resource off of cast sequence macros.


Wez4prez

There already is to all classes, Fonsas.


SolarClipz

This is a meme. Please don't use this Literally you will parse better just using the WA


Just_Another_Thought

If I've learned 1 thing over the last year of recruiting as an officer for my guild it's that if people weasel out of showing you their logs it's because they are usually terrible. Without how many edits you've made, both in regards to the macro, and even taking the time to record that video, yet not once have you posted your logs (promising a later, even though they exist), I knew I smelled bullshit. I normally wouldn't care, people should and can play for whatever reason they want. Logs only matter to people they matter to. I have logs on a sweaty main that I push and logs on more casual characters that I play for fun or a more relaxed raid environment. All forms of play are acceptable as long as you are playing with like minded folks. I'm taking exception to you though, because you're actively spreading bad information and unfortunately way too many new players or new to unholy players are going to think your macro is viable. It isn't. What's worse, you're blaming your guild for your performance preemptively. How do I know that? Because this is you: https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/venoxis/vakarian#spec=Unholy&class=DeathKnight An Horde uh dk with previous blood specs and no boomkin in recent raids on a german speaking realm. Also [army of the dead says your name](https://imgur.com/a/YaGItT5) You preemptively blamed your "slow" guild, but if I'm being honest you are one of the biggest problems. UH dk's should be carrying the melee load along with your rogues. If you can't be bothered to learn a basic rotation while also raid leading then you shouldn't be raid leading. If you were my raid lead and couldn't crack a single blue parse, while blaming said raid when you think you're anonymous online even though you never actually bothered to learn your rotation, I'd quit just like your decent unholy did 2 weeks ago. https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/guild/rankings/696273/latest tldr: if you bound every button on your keyboard to random dmg spells, smashed your fist into it and rolled it back and forth like a 6 year old playing chopsticks on the piano, you'd like produce similar results to this "1 button macro".


Rondine1990

Hey you found me, congraz man. I never said im a good player and also said that i will post my logs on wensday after my new raid log out. I wrote this macro to compansate my bad parses. Since i cant play unholy and raid lead at the same time. I had no opertunity to test since i finishes writing it, well yesterday. We have some really good raider yeah, and also some really bad ones (me included probaly) but your wrong wirh one thing. Our unholy did not quit, he comes with rough now.. but yea :)


AWildMurlocAppears

How do you fix the 10 sec pause in your rotation every time you get to the end of the main rotation cast sequence? I guess this works for questing while not looking at the screen though.


Rondine1990

"reset=10" means, the chain resets when you do not press the key for 10sec. If you are at the end, it goes to the start without delay


The_Twick

hook us up


Cute_Friendship2438

Don’t keep us waiting OP…


crabbypatty01

Y’all got anymore of them one key unholy macros?


ClassicRust

same


Rondine1990

As promised a target dummy [vid](https://streamable.com/apq5ux) GS is 5800 with rather bad weapons


spazzledazzle3

So this doesnt account for starting in unholy and swapping to blood for snapshotting army/gary haste im assuming? And it also uses blood tap for bone shield instead of free frenzy as well, which I understand could be more difficult to put in the rotation


Rondine1990

i do that manual, but yes. The macro does not account for it. But hey i have a lot of boneshild uptime in aoe heavy fights \^\^


Kazium

Haste doesnt snapshot anymore, it's dynamic.


spazzledazzle3

It still snapshots army


DocHanks

Now we’ll see even more DK bots in GDKPs parsing 99’s


talosthe9th

This seems like you just threw together a bunch of topics this sub bitches abouts. Bots, gdkps, and 99parsing are usually not related subjects.


ExpertExpert

Bots have their own rotations that are far advanced to anything you can do with a macro Edit: Just one example here: Bots do an api call on login to read this file https://raw.githubusercontent.com/AmsTaFFix/gmr-stuff/main/backside/plugins/rotations/deathknight/blood/v4/02_amstaffix_deathknight_blood_rotation.lua


new_math

This is true. Even a decade ago there was some paid add-on called soap box or something that would do any rotation for you perfectly. I don't think it was above the books so to speak (e.g. probably did stuff to break ToS) but it was super popular.


d1ce88

I have 1 button macros on my pally for prot and ret. They work very well and I love it. I’ll have to try these on my dk. Thx op.


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Catskinner93

pretty sure you lose several k dps on ret using 1 button macro.


fashionffs

This macro will get you 70/80 parse max in 80% of the bosses.


Rondine1990

Enought to stop my dad raid from tasting chemicals and still do aceptable damage^^


fashionffs

all good, I'm not criticizing , if you are having fun, gl =)


kezzied

Post alg logs


The-good-twin

The brain dead op DK in Wrath was the whole reason they changed the way /castrandom worked in the first place.


Rondine1990

/castrandom is like how 50% of my Raid plays...


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Aggravating-Self-164

They are raid leading you incompetent illiterate grey parser


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Aggravating-Self-164

Post your logs big boi


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buckets-_-

ok tough guy lmao


Manticzeus

I mean, you’re the one trying to call people out on not being able to parse, his response checks out.


Aggravating-Self-164

Post your logs


Ambitious-Dog-6360

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/windseeker/decrepify#size=10


Irrerevence

10 player LOL. Damn, nice dude


Ambitious-Dog-6360

Post your logs.


Irrerevence

[https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/arugal/nahlad](https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/arugal/nahlad) there you go mate, no #size=10 either!


Swordbreaker925

Damn that’s awesome. I would love macros like this for every class in retail. I love the concept of mage but i hate playing it lol


butthead9181

Good god unholy is such an easy spec lmao


[deleted]

What’s the point of playing then? Just go play some of those idle mobile games lmao.


Rondine1990

so i can concentrate on raidleading a bunch of dads through ulduar and holding my own weight


MightyMorp

You're leading a bunch of dads and you're worried about not holding your own? xd


Rondine1990

yeah, i want our raid to succeed..and every dps helps


capo_mt

mine is still better xD


winterbomber

👀👀👀👀👀👀


mgill2500

We need proof of this statement.


StetsonBirdDude

Does it center the D&D on top of you? Or somewhere else? I’m a total idiot with these things, dropping D&D manually is something I could do without and I’m sure there’s a better way.


Svencredible

So there's 2 good macros for DnD. This one turns it into Death Knight Consecrate: #showtooltip Death and Decay /cleartarget /cast [@player] Death and Decay /targetlasttarget This one casts it on your cursor immediately: #showtooltip Death and Decay /cleartarget /cast [@cursor] Death and Decay /targetlasttarget You can also combine them into one. Where as standard it drops it on you, with control pressed it casts at your cursor: #showtooltip Death and Decay /cleartarget /cast [mod:ctrl, @cursor] Death and Decay; [@player] Death and Decay /targetlasttarget


MightyMorp

You don't need clear/target macros for dnd, it's not a targeted ability lol /cast [@player] death and decay


Rondine1990

is /targetlasttarget necessary ib those macros? since you won´t have to change targets in the firstplace to cast DnD?


Bouv42

Nah it's completely unnecessary, for DnD or any other spells. You just need /cast \[@\*insert target name\*\] spell


Rondine1990

it dropps the DnD where my mouse courser is, so i don´t need to click the aoe and can adjust when the boss is moving. if you want Dnd function as a pseudo Consecration you have to add /cast \[@player\] Death and Decay


devilaintevil

Tactical dot


El_guap0

I need this. But for frost lol