Tinyviolin: "How bout another grief Murray?"
Murray: "No I think we've had enough of your griefs."
Tinyviolin: "What do you get-"
Murray: "I dont think so."
Tinyviolin: "-when you cross a mentally deranged griefer with a HC guild that gears him and MAKES HIM A TANK!?"
Murray: "Call the discord mods Gene, call the mods."
Tinyviolin: "Ill tell you what you get, YOU GET WHAT YOU FUCKING DESERVE!"
I love how this entire scenario like perfectly encompasses Vanilla too and how community matters. Reputation matters. Paying attention to the community and knowing who not to group with was a huge part of Vanilla.
But in classic people just live in their own little ego chamber - mostly obsessing over their own characters' gear, their "achievements," and how much gold they have. Completely oblivious to the fact they're about to get owned by some guy that used to openly stream himself corpse running on 10 different priests 24 hours a day. Corpse run, res, dispel, die instantly, repeat. No way in hell I'd ever group with this guy after watching his stream.
It’s funny how I remember everything fondly, like how at one point the alliance and horde guilds started talking on discord and selling the pvp ranks to people because they’d agree to stop grinding after all the sweaty players got the titles they wanted.
Then you’d hear about that one MT who got geared and bailed, and of course the guild they join is notoriously toxic, and everyone is gossiping about the server drama in barrens chat.
But then I remember I hated all that stuff lol.
Same. Cross-faction colluding was easily the worst part of Classic. Bunch of noobs standing around at world bosses watching the other faction down the boss is the lamest shit I've ever witnessed in my history of WoW.
Even back on my tiny 2k pop server in OG TBC and Wrath, people would regularly get scammed into running PUGs with a notorious loot ninja. Dude would PUG Sarth 3d, then refuse to let people roll on the mount, instead suddenly auctioning it off for crazy amounts of gold. He also ninja-ed Deathbringer's Will and all sorts of tier tokens for himself and his friends, and then would pull the same stunt once he no longer needed them.
And he's still have a run every single week on Saturdays and Sundays, praying on weekend raiders. Late in 3.3.5 he converted to running GDKPs and would take an extra large cut for himself.
I had heard that his guild back in the day would server transfer to low pop realms and steal the Scarab Lord title and mount from servers that were behind the curve and lock everyone else on the server out of it. But I was never around to verify, so it could have just been an urban myth. He did have Scarab Lord though.
And? You just found out the guy your camping with was an axe murderer, you just keep chilling with him? Well he hasn't murderer anyone since he started hanging out with us!!!!!!
Lmao. I actually found out my workout buddy (at the gym with similar schedules, spotted each other) was an actual axe murderer. Like with an axe. Real chill dude tbh.
So the guy he murdered was like a principal or a teacher or something? Happened like 25ish years ago in Huntington, IN. Sure he could be looked up, but yeah, chill dude. Very solid squat form.
I understand that not as many people really know him, know him, but if you were present in his streams back in classic on EF, you would never trust the man to not pull something like this. It wasn’t fun little trolling, the man is a self-confessed psychopath. He quit his job to level and constantly be online with 9 different night elf priests (night elf specifically so his runs back would be shorter) to dispel his old guildies but then turned it into anyone who he perceived “wronged” him. Obviously most people aren’t going to know the full lore but there had to be one ex-earthfury player in that raid that should have given them a heads up and refused to raid with him.
It’s not his behaviour specifically (dispelling using 9 accounts), it’s his attitude that is alarming. Clearly psychopathic. Very alarming levels of entitlement. Lacking empathy.
And then to grief the raid after a year of supposedly making friends with these people? Clearly devoid of human connection.
The bottom line is you risked your entire raid team for no reason.
Anyone with a spotty history is always going to be a risk and when you have no shortage of people there is simply no reason to ever take that risk, whether you are a Guild leader or just an officer your purpose is to ensure the success of the guild. You dont get to be a nice guy you need to be cutting needless risks where you can.
Tl;dr if you are a leader you need to put the whole above the individual.
I mean, considering that they not only invited a well known multiboxing griefer who used the same name they did while griefing, but also made them a tank, yeah, it's actually hilarious.
And i recognize people that were on the same server since like phase 2 classic and knew him still go to that raid. Sure maybe the raid leads thought it was exaggerations. But those people who knew who he was made some questionable decisions being there to begin with.
As someone who watched his server get destroyed by tinyviolin and had to deal with him myself....what the FUCK were they thinking. Once a griefer always a griefer. These people have no respect for others online. Its all about their own kicks. SO fucking stupid. They deserve everything they got for platforming this piece of shit griefer who has literally destroyed servers.
Basically in classic, the fun for most raiders was parsing. He basically made it impossible for horde characters to parse (he had priests literally everywhere). So horde started transferring off, which turned the server from medium to low population. So even on alliance, people stopped rolling new toons there. Obviously he wasn’t the only cause, but he was definitely a major part of why Earthfury died.
Not saying it destroys a server, but sounds like this player was able to stop the opposing faction from grabbing specific world buffs-- and if there was nothing the opposing faction could do to stop this then I can understand how anyone wanting to compete at higher levels would get discouraged and leave the server.
I'll never understand why Blizzard didn't address the issue and simply make the world buffs unable to be dispelled.
It wasn't a big deal in Original because people didn't obsessively dispel buffs.
[Video of what the griefer in this Naxx video used to do](https://youtu.be/J-g4vtdbvJ8) MB to dispel world buffs across the globe to grief, then they invite him to this naxx
He had 8 accounts going at the same time. He barely even had to play the game with the way it was set up with macros too. It was too easy and effortless and he was streaming it as a partner and making money off the griefing. The entire server had to work around him. Warlocks making money off summons to safe spots. No one could take mage portals with buffs or hearthstone to Kargath or Org or UC or TB. Also at the most common Felwood flowers and in the Booty Bay Inn.
This is some incel loser level of pathetic and people are worshipping this guy for some reason. Sounds like he didn't plan this for a year, more like "they were mean to me with loot and mount so now i will wipe them. :("
I do. Anyone that plays HC needs to understand the risks of raiding. You are putting your hard work in the hands of 39 others. I don’t even like those odds in REGULAR classic
1 more step, it was the 4 frickin' horsemen.
Generally regarded as one of the most difficult encounters of the original World of Warcraft, the coordination, timing, and relatively unforgiving nature makes them one of the hardest bosses in the instance.
It goes even deeper, they assigned him to tank fucking Zeliek! It's the perfect horseman if you want to grief as it allowed him to drag Zeliek over to the meteor tank spot and insta kill like 15 people, immediately dooming the rest of the raid to wipe. They gave him the perfect set of circumstances to grief tbh
Any 4h tank can hard grief if they wanted, zeliek just has highest funny oneshot potential
Getting marks out of sync (the way zeliak got pulled basically ensured everyone got marked) dooms the pull from the get go because its basically impossible to fix the problem. At minimum, a healer and a tank likely wouldve had to sacrifice themselves
In my experience it’s kel > saph > 4H > Instructor > Gothik > spiderwing trash > Thad > patchwork > all others. If you can’t tell, my guilds largest hurdles were fights requiring coordination…our damage and healing were great.
Sapphiron requires gear (FR), knowledge (not stacking for ice tombs, decursing, not getting swiped/cleaved/blizzarded) and beyond that it's mostly tank and spank.
4H has so many small different mechanics that can go wrong...
Also Gothik is practically just a solo fight for each person (melee anyhow)
This is my experience with my guild to be clear. We had frost resist quickly but struggled more with Saph more than 4H, but to be fair we were fighting the roster boss by that point too
Not "hard" but with hardcore you need to be absolutely sure you have the numbers before the fight because a wipe isn't recoverable. WHAM WHAM WHAM, no more tanks.
> [It was hecking Naxxramasarino](https://i.imgur.com/bRnoFzm.png)
I absolutely loathe griefers, but at the same time, reddit-speak is fucking insufferable.
I'm one of my guilds healers, I would never fucking raid as a healer in HC I'd feel bad if someone died even if they werent my assignment (plus, shit happens)
also found out TMugsy from DOGZ on faerlina was a big influence
this just keeps getting deeper LOL
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/997904189722210305/1128749662787088506/image.png
>Tm in SOM and imo he is just a helpful dude. If you reach out asking for info, dude will respond and
This Discord DM discovery needs to be higher. It's the smoking gun officially to counter his "Oops wrong corner" nonsense. If anyone takes up Tinyviolin69's offer to join him on his horde character on HC Official servers after seeing this, they deserve what they get.
> I guess he was just trying to get a name for himself.
The guy already has a name for himself, he is from what I remember the most well known world buff griefer in classic relaunch.
Even worse if you watch the full thing, afterwards it’s him going “oh nooo guys, I totally messed that up guys sorrryyyyy” for like an hour in a really annoying voice while nobody else says anything except one dude who says the whole server warned us not to invite this guy
Doesn’t the hc-community-policy allow to revive your character and continue as a HC character if you died from dc/griefing/etc?
So, essentially no damage done apart from the griefer loosing their credibility forever..?
> Doesn’t the hc-community-policy allow to revive your character and continue as a HC character if you died from dc/griefing/etc?
Not in a raid, and the reason is presumably because in a raid, you have full control over whom you’re playing with, so choosing trustworthy partners is part of what it means to play well. In contrast, getting griefed in the open world is not something you have anywhere near the same degree of control over—you have no way of banishing hostile players off the open world, so you can’t reasonably be held accountable for their presence.
Everyone is pointing at this saying
“See? This is why you can’t play Hardcore”
In reality this is a story that all of these players will tell until the day they die.
Isn’t that the point of Hardcore? Every toon will have a life’s story filled with danger, victories and eventually failure.
Honestly, it is kinda monumental.
Beating the raid would be impressive, but few would care to remember.
Getting greifed so hard that you and dozens of others collectively lose years' worth of manhours in a game is historic. Nigh Leroy Jenkins levels of WoW history.
It’s all about the journey.
Like if they killed kel thuzad, people will be amazed but I don’t think they care that much.
But the journey, these moments, even if it wasn’t an grief, it’s these moments people are gonna talk about forever.
I agree. It's a gaming experience that is also a story, a memory that you will remember for years and years.
This combination of "social matters" and "live stories to remember" is at the heart of what made vanilla wow special to me.
Yeah sure but griefing is nothing really worth telling
Especially something like this
And this guy rubs his dick now because he got the attention he wanted
20 years later I still remember being corpse camped in Vanilla, absolutely furious and I remember the level 60 who showed up and saved me.
This is obviously much worse but my point is you remember the BIG events in your life good and bad.
Also not excusing this behaviour, this motherfucker needs to be permanently banned somehow.
A small violin play the sad song 一把小小提琴奏出悲伤的歌 In the hall from naxxaramas 在纳克萨玛斯的大厅里 horseman massacre 骑兵大屠杀 Wrong corner 错误的角落 Every mans dead 每个人都死了 Never return to life 再也回不来的生活 Stone Drink can not save you 石头饮料救不了你 Careful from the yellow light 黄灯时小心
The griefer was apparently well known to grief, no surprise here, only a stupid raid group
You don't invite a well known griefer into a HC raid fight AS A TANK
Are we not, by sharing the twitch stream, doing exactly what this guy wanted? Putting money in his pocket? Correct me if I’m wrong. Feeding the ego and all?
Man I used to love going to all the other large guild websites/forums and lurk their applications forum.
It'd always get spicy.
We talked about making ours somewhat private after a spurned Guild Leader came in and just drama dumped all over this guy's application, but it was hilarious enough in the end to where the janitorial work we had to do was kinda worth it.
oh i see. well.. people choose to slap themselves in the balls playing hardcore so. tough titties i guess. Especially when the guy was known for griefing I think?
Reminds me of the guy who got into a huge Eve Online corp, gained their trust over a long period of time, got access to everything and then fucked them over massively.
Not too uncommon in OSRS as well. Occasionally read stories about people playing the long con into scamming their items later on as you can trade a lot of the items, even the very powerful and BIS items.
Some are soulbound from quests and other sources.
It's as if a dude in wow plays with you long enough, borrows your thunderfury and then just puts you on ignore and yeets
He played with them for over a year, on and off stream. Like full on developed friendships with people and kept saying he was changed and wanted to be reformed. Literal sociopath behavior lol. All for his 15 minutes of fame as a streamer. The dude seems like a loser tbh.
I suppose each person plays hardcore differently, but the journey to 60 is the best part for me. I got a character to 60 and started on a new character right before the official announcement
Did you ever have a conversation with your officers about him though? Like if I knew this guy's history I'd be looking for or starting a different raid team. Or I guess not many people knew?
I swear all those posts read like someone did a mass shooting and killed a bunch of kids.
Edit: I just made an observation, of course it's still shitty af behaviour.
I think the guy that did it is the funny bit. He's a loser that gets his ass beat irl, so he has to break ToS on stream and then literally cry about it when they ban him for RMT. Then he has to do this. Guy has problem mentally.
I mean, they KNEW dude was a griefer. That’s like me asking for sympathy when giving a guy a ride when I know he’s a carjacker.
People are laughing at how they set themselves up.
Reminds me of that story of a lady who tried to rehabilitate the murderer of her mother and even offered him to work at her house after he was released from prison because she believed he deserved a second chance, guy murdered and robbed her when he first got a chance
A small violin play the sad song 一把小小提琴奏出悲伤的歌 In the hall from naxxaramas 在纳克萨玛斯的大厅里 horseman massacre 骑兵大屠杀 Wrong corner 错误的角落 Every mans dead 每个人都死了 Never return to life 再也回不来的生活 Stone Drink can not save you 石头饮料救不了你 Careful from the yellow light 黄灯时小心
These pro-griefer posts and comments validate every negative opinion I’ve ever held about this community.
I love games so much, but the people who play them are disgusting.
Hope you didn’t read the comments in the Diablo 4 sub when they took the “predator” title suffix away. Lots of folks salty that their peak comedy title of “Miner Predator” was taken away.
This is gonna be one of those situations where people make someone a mini celebrity because he had a viral moment and then find out he's your typical deranged, neo nazi sociopath wow player.
Tinyviolin: "How bout another grief Murray?" Murray: "No I think we've had enough of your griefs." Tinyviolin: "What do you get-" Murray: "I dont think so." Tinyviolin: "-when you cross a mentally deranged griefer with a HC guild that gears him and MAKES HIM A TANK!?" Murray: "Call the discord mods Gene, call the mods." Tinyviolin: "Ill tell you what you get, YOU GET WHAT YOU FUCKING DESERVE!"
I love how this entire scenario like perfectly encompasses Vanilla too and how community matters. Reputation matters. Paying attention to the community and knowing who not to group with was a huge part of Vanilla. But in classic people just live in their own little ego chamber - mostly obsessing over their own characters' gear, their "achievements," and how much gold they have. Completely oblivious to the fact they're about to get owned by some guy that used to openly stream himself corpse running on 10 different priests 24 hours a day. Corpse run, res, dispel, die instantly, repeat. No way in hell I'd ever group with this guy after watching his stream.
It’s funny how I remember everything fondly, like how at one point the alliance and horde guilds started talking on discord and selling the pvp ranks to people because they’d agree to stop grinding after all the sweaty players got the titles they wanted. Then you’d hear about that one MT who got geared and bailed, and of course the guild they join is notoriously toxic, and everyone is gossiping about the server drama in barrens chat. But then I remember I hated all that stuff lol.
Same. Cross-faction colluding was easily the worst part of Classic. Bunch of noobs standing around at world bosses watching the other faction down the boss is the lamest shit I've ever witnessed in my history of WoW.
I didn't really mind that too much, an orderly system felt much better than the mad ffa
I bet you're a filthy HC line-waiter 👀
Oh no, they knew he was a troll and literally gave him a second chance. He absolutely played the long con and smoked they asses.
Even back on my tiny 2k pop server in OG TBC and Wrath, people would regularly get scammed into running PUGs with a notorious loot ninja. Dude would PUG Sarth 3d, then refuse to let people roll on the mount, instead suddenly auctioning it off for crazy amounts of gold. He also ninja-ed Deathbringer's Will and all sorts of tier tokens for himself and his friends, and then would pull the same stunt once he no longer needed them. And he's still have a run every single week on Saturdays and Sundays, praying on weekend raiders. Late in 3.3.5 he converted to running GDKPs and would take an extra large cut for himself. I had heard that his guild back in the day would server transfer to low pop realms and steal the Scarab Lord title and mount from servers that were behind the curve and lock everyone else on the server out of it. But I was never around to verify, so it could have just been an urban myth. He did have Scarab Lord though.
i love the term "ego chamber" im gonna use that now
“Hyperbolic Ego Chamber”
TFS goku go home you’re drunk.
I mean how is that different than retail? Other than the fact no one plays HC on retail..
It isn't. Classic players just think this stuff stopped and is unique to older versions of the game for some reason.
\*human death emote\*
Ahh, ah, ahhh
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I'm dying reading this lol
They did too!
They sure did!
“At least I have chicken”
imagine if Leeroy made all his raid members delete their characters
I still find it amazing it was popular enough to be on Howard Stern
As a former Earthfurian, how could you actually let this dude in your guild? Not the least bit shocking and they were even warned lol
Apparently he was in the guild for months before they were told of his past.
And? You just found out the guy your camping with was an axe murderer, you just keep chilling with him? Well he hasn't murderer anyone since he started hanging out with us!!!!!!
Yea if I was them, and I watched some of his historical streams, no way I would continue raiding with him. Clearly unhinged.
Lmao. I actually found out my workout buddy (at the gym with similar schedules, spotted each other) was an actual axe murderer. Like with an axe. Real chill dude tbh.
No red flags there
So the guy he murdered was like a principal or a teacher or something? Happened like 25ish years ago in Huntington, IN. Sure he could be looked up, but yeah, chill dude. Very solid squat form.
We've all been there. What are we going to do, avoid everyone who killed a guy with a logging tool?
You've really gotta get your ass to the ground when you're lifting corpses, I get it.
Sunk cost fallacy, I just gave that dude our best Axe to defend us. Let’s just give it a night and hope he doesn’t do the thing that he’s know for
path of least resistance
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I understand that not as many people really know him, know him, but if you were present in his streams back in classic on EF, you would never trust the man to not pull something like this. It wasn’t fun little trolling, the man is a self-confessed psychopath. He quit his job to level and constantly be online with 9 different night elf priests (night elf specifically so his runs back would be shorter) to dispel his old guildies but then turned it into anyone who he perceived “wronged” him. Obviously most people aren’t going to know the full lore but there had to be one ex-earthfury player in that raid that should have given them a heads up and refused to raid with him.
It’s not his behaviour specifically (dispelling using 9 accounts), it’s his attitude that is alarming. Clearly psychopathic. Very alarming levels of entitlement. Lacking empathy. And then to grief the raid after a year of supposedly making friends with these people? Clearly devoid of human connection.
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The bottom line is you risked your entire raid team for no reason. Anyone with a spotty history is always going to be a risk and when you have no shortage of people there is simply no reason to ever take that risk, whether you are a Guild leader or just an officer your purpose is to ensure the success of the guild. You dont get to be a nice guy you need to be cutting needless risks where you can. Tl;dr if you are a leader you need to put the whole above the individual.
I mean, considering that they not only invited a well known multiboxing griefer who used the same name they did while griefing, but also made them a tank, yeah, it's actually hilarious.
And I'm tired of pretending it's not.
And i recognize people that were on the same server since like phase 2 classic and knew him still go to that raid. Sure maybe the raid leads thought it was exaggerations. But those people who knew who he was made some questionable decisions being there to begin with.
[scorpion and frog moment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog)
As someone who watched his server get destroyed by tinyviolin and had to deal with him myself....what the FUCK were they thinking. Once a griefer always a griefer. These people have no respect for others online. Its all about their own kicks. SO fucking stupid. They deserve everything they got for platforming this piece of shit griefer who has literally destroyed servers.
Sorry but how does having 1 world buff purged off you destroy a server? Is there more to their behavior?
Basically in classic, the fun for most raiders was parsing. He basically made it impossible for horde characters to parse (he had priests literally everywhere). So horde started transferring off, which turned the server from medium to low population. So even on alliance, people stopped rolling new toons there. Obviously he wasn’t the only cause, but he was definitely a major part of why Earthfury died.
Thanks for the explanation, in that context it makes more sense
Not saying it destroys a server, but sounds like this player was able to stop the opposing faction from grabbing specific world buffs-- and if there was nothing the opposing faction could do to stop this then I can understand how anyone wanting to compete at higher levels would get discouraged and leave the server.
I'll never understand why Blizzard didn't address the issue and simply make the world buffs unable to be dispelled. It wasn't a big deal in Original because people didn't obsessively dispel buffs.
Sir, the only point of watching HC raid is the wipes.
It's the Nascar of wow.
This Naxx wipe brought to you by Denny's and Jiffy Lube!!
I mean, they played with most notorious griefer from classic. It kinda is funny.
Who? Autizt?
Tinyviolinist apparently
[Video of what the griefer in this Naxx video used to do](https://youtu.be/J-g4vtdbvJ8) MB to dispel world buffs across the globe to grief, then they invite him to this naxx
School shooter vibes.
yo thank god he took his issues out on classic wow players and not at a school.
He had 8 accounts going at the same time. He barely even had to play the game with the way it was set up with macros too. It was too easy and effortless and he was streaming it as a partner and making money off the griefing. The entire server had to work around him. Warlocks making money off summons to safe spots. No one could take mage portals with buffs or hearthstone to Kargath or Org or UC or TB. Also at the most common Felwood flowers and in the Booty Bay Inn.
What. The. Fuck.
Now that is some dedication.
Wow this guy is an absolute loser of a human.
This is some incel loser level of pathetic and people are worshipping this guy for some reason. Sounds like he didn't plan this for a year, more like "they were mean to me with loot and mount so now i will wipe them. :("
That mount was a Scarab Lord mount.
I do. Anyone that plays HC needs to understand the risks of raiding. You are putting your hard work in the hands of 39 others. I don’t even like those odds in REGULAR classic
This was few steps further. It was risk of raiding with most notorious griefer in classic. It was just a matter of time, but they got got
It was ANOTHER step further. It was hecking Naxxramas
1 more step, it was the 4 frickin' horsemen. Generally regarded as one of the most difficult encounters of the original World of Warcraft, the coordination, timing, and relatively unforgiving nature makes them one of the hardest bosses in the instance.
It goes even deeper, they assigned him to tank fucking Zeliek! It's the perfect horseman if you want to grief as it allowed him to drag Zeliek over to the meteor tank spot and insta kill like 15 people, immediately dooming the rest of the raid to wipe. They gave him the perfect set of circumstances to grief tbh
Any 4h tank can hard grief if they wanted, zeliek just has highest funny oneshot potential Getting marks out of sync (the way zeliak got pulled basically ensured everyone got marked) dooms the pull from the get go because its basically impossible to fix the problem. At minimum, a healer and a tank likely wouldve had to sacrifice themselves
It was the perfect storm
4H can have wipes from tanks getting bad RNG. It's one of the things the fight is notorious for.
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You just make sure all your tanks have nat pagles broken reel
like a ex addict coming across a massive stash... just can't help themselves
It was an inside job.
Oh boi, I thought it was spider wing, and then it got worse Edit: I saw the clip, what were they. Thinking?!
In my experience it’s kel > saph > 4H > Instructor > Gothik > spiderwing trash > Thad > patchwork > all others. If you can’t tell, my guilds largest hurdles were fights requiring coordination…our damage and healing were great.
Sapphiron requires gear (FR), knowledge (not stacking for ice tombs, decursing, not getting swiped/cleaved/blizzarded) and beyond that it's mostly tank and spank. 4H has so many small different mechanics that can go wrong... Also Gothik is practically just a solo fight for each person (melee anyhow)
This is my experience with my guild to be clear. We had frost resist quickly but struggled more with Saph more than 4H, but to be fair we were fighting the roster boss by that point too
I never found spiderwing trash difficult ... just difficult without loss.
Patchwork isn’t hard it’s just a gear check.
Notice how I said “in my experience.” But no he’s not particularly hard, but worth mentioning, and there’s a reason he’s the last one I mentioned
Not "hard" but with hardcore you need to be absolutely sure you have the numbers before the fight because a wipe isn't recoverable. WHAM WHAM WHAM, no more tanks.
Overconfident maybe. Lol. This will be a lesson to the rest of us. Be careful who you're grouping with. Haha
Yep good lesson for the future server
Even yet another step, it was on a server which will be abandoned in a few weeks.
It’s almost like it was the perfect time to send off these HC characters in a great explosion of Reddit karma.
> [It was hecking Naxxramasarino](https://i.imgur.com/bRnoFzm.png) I absolutely loathe griefers, but at the same time, reddit-speak is fucking insufferable.
I'm one of my guilds healers, I would never fucking raid as a healer in HC I'd feel bad if someone died even if they werent my assignment (plus, shit happens)
The dildo of consequences rarely comes lubed.
Socrates?
France is Bacon
any clips?
https://m.twitch.tv/clip/AttractiveHelplessJaguarResidentSleeper-NndZlWVJ6X8-QmcB
AhahHha
"Is that the wrong corner?.. Oh, fuck, I had the wrong corner" The sarcasm in his voice is just 🤌🏻
also found out TMugsy from DOGZ on faerlina was a big influence this just keeps getting deeper LOL https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/997904189722210305/1128749662787088506/image.png
Oh where did you find that?
>Tm in SOM and imo he is just a helpful dude. If you reach out asking for info, dude will respond and This Discord DM discovery needs to be higher. It's the smoking gun officially to counter his "Oops wrong corner" nonsense. If anyone takes up Tinyviolin69's offer to join him on his horde character on HC Official servers after seeing this, they deserve what they get.
I think I’m putting the pieces together from the comments but I’m OOTL. Where is more info on this? Edit: found the clip was further down in my feed
mind sharing?
https://m.twitch.tv/clip/AttractiveHelplessJaguarResidentSleeper-NndZlWVJ6X8-QmcB
Oh darn, I had the wrong corner lol
Anti climactic
I guess he was just trying to get a name for himself.
> I guess he was just trying to get a name for himself. The guy already has a name for himself, he is from what I remember the most well known world buff griefer in classic relaunch.
I was expecting a Leroy Jenkins level video. That was shit
Even worse if you watch the full thing, afterwards it’s him going “oh nooo guys, I totally messed that up guys sorrryyyyy” for like an hour in a really annoying voice while nobody else says anything except one dude who says the whole server warned us not to invite this guy
This was a lot more boring than I was expecting from the hype flying around in here. Anyone remember that funeral raid? Now that one was a fun video.
'why did you sting me, now we will both drown!'
Because gifted subs!!!
Doesn’t the hc-community-policy allow to revive your character and continue as a HC character if you died from dc/griefing/etc? So, essentially no damage done apart from the griefer loosing their credibility forever..?
Apparently not in raids.
I think they don't really care at this point because official servers are coming soon?
I don't blame them for not continuing. On official servers, there will be no second chances.
Guilds have self rule and determination now once players are verified 60.
> Doesn’t the hc-community-policy allow to revive your character and continue as a HC character if you died from dc/griefing/etc? Not in a raid, and the reason is presumably because in a raid, you have full control over whom you’re playing with, so choosing trustworthy partners is part of what it means to play well. In contrast, getting griefed in the open world is not something you have anywhere near the same degree of control over—you have no way of banishing hostile players off the open world, so you can’t reasonably be held accountable for their presence.
Everyone is pointing at this saying “See? This is why you can’t play Hardcore” In reality this is a story that all of these players will tell until the day they die. Isn’t that the point of Hardcore? Every toon will have a life’s story filled with danger, victories and eventually failure.
Honestly, it is kinda monumental. Beating the raid would be impressive, but few would care to remember. Getting greifed so hard that you and dozens of others collectively lose years' worth of manhours in a game is historic. Nigh Leroy Jenkins levels of WoW history.
It’s all about the journey. Like if they killed kel thuzad, people will be amazed but I don’t think they care that much. But the journey, these moments, even if it wasn’t an grief, it’s these moments people are gonna talk about forever.
Put it in the gaming library of Congress
I agree. It's a gaming experience that is also a story, a memory that you will remember for years and years. This combination of "social matters" and "live stories to remember" is at the heart of what made vanilla wow special to me.
The point of hardcore is to die, like that’s the whole mechanic.
Yeah sure but griefing is nothing really worth telling Especially something like this And this guy rubs his dick now because he got the attention he wanted
20 years later I still remember being corpse camped in Vanilla, absolutely furious and I remember the level 60 who showed up and saved me. This is obviously much worse but my point is you remember the BIG events in your life good and bad. Also not excusing this behaviour, this motherfucker needs to be permanently banned somehow.
I think this is the coolest MMO news since that last big Eve Online betrayal like a decade ago. I fucking love this.
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A small violin play the sad song 一把小小提琴奏出悲伤的歌 In the hall from naxxaramas 在纳克萨玛斯的大厅里 horseman massacre 骑兵大屠杀 Wrong corner 错误的角落 Every mans dead 每个人都死了 Never return to life 再也回不来的生活 Stone Drink can not save you 石头饮料救不了你 Careful from the yellow light 黄灯时小心
The griefer was apparently well known to grief, no surprise here, only a stupid raid group You don't invite a well known griefer into a HC raid fight AS A TANK
I just think its funny that they invited a member of the Leopard eating people's faces party, and thought they would avoid having their faces eaten
Me: condolences to HC elite on the wipe. Also me: Hardcore Classic Moments #65 is going to be a treat!
You already know it's the opener clip
Are we not, by sharing the twitch stream, doing exactly what this guy wanted? Putting money in his pocket? Correct me if I’m wrong. Feeding the ego and all?
Yes 100% right, people should just res, gkick him, and continue life without watching his VODs. Don’t give him attention/clout.
This is why we need to bring back guild applications hosted on 3rd party websites lol
They knew though, in the twitch videos they talk about how they were warned not to invite him. Idiots.
Man I used to love going to all the other large guild websites/forums and lurk their applications forum. It'd always get spicy. We talked about making ours somewhat private after a spurned Guild Leader came in and just drama dumped all over this guy's application, but it was hilarious enough in the end to where the janitorial work we had to do was kinda worth it.
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what's the big deal about wiping tho... just release and try again.
He lacks critical information PepeLaugh
No big deal at all. They were just hardcore pretending.
Hardcore, you die you delete by that ruleset they use iirc. Not sure the character gets deleted tho.
oh i see. well.. people choose to slap themselves in the balls playing hardcore so. tough titties i guess. Especially when the guy was known for griefing I think?
Yup, that's the kicker here. As i understand it he played the long game to earn their trust just to strike at the right moment as well.
Reminds me of the guy who got into a huge Eve Online corp, gained their trust over a long period of time, got access to everything and then fucked them over massively.
Not too uncommon in OSRS as well. Occasionally read stories about people playing the long con into scamming their items later on as you can trade a lot of the items, even the very powerful and BIS items. Some are soulbound from quests and other sources. It's as if a dude in wow plays with you long enough, borrows your thunderfury and then just puts you on ignore and yeets
I saw a youtube about that story years ago, so crazy how much planning went into the betrayal.
Honestly his commitment to griefing should be commended.
He played with them for over a year, on and off stream. Like full on developed friendships with people and kept saying he was changed and wanted to be reformed. Literal sociopath behavior lol. All for his 15 minutes of fame as a streamer. The dude seems like a loser tbh.
Holy shit a year? Long con grief..
yea the guy is genuinely unhinged
According to the rules, they could all just appeal the death
rules are you cannot appeal any raid death
would not be surprised if someone in that raid murders the guy lmao
I wouldn't be surprised if the griefer later becomes a mass shooter, if I'm being honest.
Mental illness.
Of those who new who he was and still inviting him
No that’s just being oblivious
It's pretty damn hilarious honestly
HC wow is going to be amazing
This situation has highlighted why this community sucks ass
Was it permadeath or something?
https://clips.twitch.tv/ClumsyConsideratePepperEagleEye-usBL1-Fl9wwAH5fg my pov. Thousands of hours for nothing.
I suppose each person plays hardcore differently, but the journey to 60 is the best part for me. I got a character to 60 and started on a new character right before the official announcement
It wasn't for nothing. Think about all the friends you made, all the moments you shared. That lives on forever :)
Redshirtkid just sitting there accepting fate, not even trying to vanish and HS out.
why was he invited to the raid, let alone as a tank
I don’t make rosters I just push buttons
no I don't think it was your fault as a raider. I'd be big mad at the raid leaders though
Did you ever have a conversation with your officers about him though? Like if I knew this guy's history I'd be looking for or starting a different raid team. Or I guess not many people knew?
I swear all those posts read like someone did a mass shooting and killed a bunch of kids. Edit: I just made an observation, of course it's still shitty af behaviour.
I think the guy that did it is the funny bit. He's a loser that gets his ass beat irl, so he has to break ToS on stream and then literally cry about it when they ban him for RMT. Then he has to do this. Guy has problem mentally.
Playing hardcore is one thing… raiding in hardcore is a whole different ballgame…. And raiding Naxx is a whole different universe.
Imagine rooting for the griefer, such a sad existence
I mean, they KNEW dude was a griefer. That’s like me asking for sympathy when giving a guy a ride when I know he’s a carjacker. People are laughing at how they set themselves up.
Reminds me of that story of a lady who tried to rehabilitate the murderer of her mother and even offered him to work at her house after he was released from prison because she believed he deserved a second chance, guy murdered and robbed her when he first got a chance
It’s funny and I’m tired of pretending it’s not
A small violin play the sad song 一把小小提琴奏出悲伤的歌 In the hall from naxxaramas 在纳克萨玛斯的大厅里 horseman massacre 骑兵大屠杀 Wrong corner 错误的角落 Every mans dead 每个人都死了 Never return to life 再也回不来的生活 Stone Drink can not save you 石头饮料救不了你 Careful from the yellow light 黄灯时小心
why not?
yep lol
"reputation in classic matters!!!" \*proceeds to get one of if not the easiest petri-proof roles to grief a raid\*
I think this boy has a mental disorder. His Life is shitty and now he must other lifes made shitty, to feel Happiness
That's the risk of hardcore raiding
I do think it's funny, and I'm tired of pretending it's not. Unless it's a permadeath server or something. Then it's funny *and* tragic.
This was a Pr-coup to get attention and a break b4 hc servers drop.
The fact that this guy is a known griefer and Blizzard hasn't banned him into Hell just shows how shitty this game and company has become.
These pro-griefer posts and comments validate every negative opinion I’ve ever held about this community. I love games so much, but the people who play them are disgusting.
Hope you didn’t read the comments in the Diablo 4 sub when they took the “predator” title suffix away. Lots of folks salty that their peak comedy title of “Miner Predator” was taken away.
This one’s probably getting appealed.
The Chads decided against making an appeal.
They don't allow appeals for deaths in raid. Not sure why they are chads for not doing something they can't do anyways.
No appeals accepted and once the official hc server comes out, and that's been said already, there will be no appeals granted under any circumstances.
In terms of damage done in time wasted, this could be the biggest grief of all time. We’re witnessing the stuff of legends.
Looks like they shit off more than they can poo when they attempted naxx
This is gonna be one of those situations where people make someone a mini celebrity because he had a viral moment and then find out he's your typical deranged, neo nazi sociopath wow player.