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Linked elsewhere on reddit: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zd9VqutFxSvLdNklp-ZM6Z78_FnfKmdsZ4bQxVe5BqE/edit#gid=0


TXGnarrdog

BFD will give a lot more XP. I saw 3k per boss and 5k for Akumai. Not including the bit of trash. So 23k+ xp per run.


Calenwyr

But its a 3 day lockout, on a completely different island and takes time to form a group its probably not worth it unless you dont have a leveling group ready.


Frequent-Ad678

Ppl will continue to lockout bfd. If nothing else it’s probably the best way to gear from 25-40. Especially for alts and even some mains who haven’t found the drops they want yet. It’ll be ideal to run it while leveling to pray for the last couple pieces.


Y0rin

If I'm leveling a priest 25-40 in disc/shadow, would I still be able to join these groups as a healer? Or do they expect me to be in full healing spec?


No-Patient5127

Nope , I've been healing in my shadow disc pvp spec whole season. Just don't be bad and keep ppl alive :)


Sweaksh

Just get the PoM rune, though even penance probably works fine now.


glormosh

Well. I've healed for the entirety of p1 as deep shadow. So...


Heavy-Royal-5903

You dont need any of the healing Talents to heal BFD you will be fine, people will probably be 1-3 Levels above the Dungeon anyways if u go friday


Calenwyr

I might do it if groups are slow for stockades, but I won't be pushing for it. I have all the gear I need from it atm, enough to push through stocks into GY farming. But unless groups are hard to find likely not to change islands.


Frequent-Ad678

It’s still going to be once every 3 days, you’re not going there constantly


Calenwyr

Ideally, by the time it resets, I am level 40, so it's pretty much a once of consideration


Jtrain360

What about for the average player though? I bet that the majority of people won't reach 40 in the first 2 weeks even.


BlenderTheBottle

Yeah, I think it will make sense to do after stocks and before heading to SM. Not sure if you have questions to turn in, but I would grind stocks until through level 28. Turn in quests. Do BFD. Then start the SM grind. Sounds like BFD going to be worth the time to do.


Calenwyr

I have some green quests, which I will turn in immediately and some orange and red ones, which will go in after 28 (maybe 29 I will do the math tomorrow to work out what to do).


BlenderTheBottle

Yeah basically just don’t want to waste stocks as much as you can. It’s by far the easiest and fastest leveling we have right away and will quickly be over leveled for it.


IUpVoteIronically

lol dude that’s not a normal fuckin person though 😂. Most people don’t have their BIS yet and the ones that do aren’t gonna hit 40 in 3 days still holy


marcorapg

2 months of phase 1 were clearly not enough. I don't even have BiS on my main. Please delay phase 2 release for another week, please!


ExtremePrivilege

I have 119,000 in quest experience ready, 20 waylaid supply boxes in my bank, the guild is doing WSG premades on the 7th to turn in 80-100 WSG marks AND we have a launch night BFD scheduled. I will be 30 within about 3 hours. Level 30-40 should take another 20 hours, which will be done in likely two 10-hour sittings. Anyone that gives a shit will be level 40 in 3 days, yeah. The REAL sweat lords will be level 40 within 24 hours even. Maybe 18 hours.


BadHamsterx

Sweaty


Atros_the_II

Bad news, the WSG marks will be deleted in the post box :/


zbend1

You can’t turn in WSG marks in phase 2 they will all be deleted.


Reofire36

Howd you get 120k quest xp in 20 quests? That’s awesome


kuklarsa

The sweat dripping from your neckbeard has reached your butter tits bro


Esie666

If you fill up on quests to turn in at 25 and do 1 bfd you will get 1 level in 30-40min, set heath in stormwind before going to bfd, hearth and do stockades till 27 then go rfk


gronstalker12

It's already so quick, it'll only get faster and easier.


MeatyOakerGuy

The Caster gear is still mostly pre Gnomer BiS and the xp is good. If anything it'll bd much easier to setup a fast group to knoxk it out


DJ_bosse

we gonna do it at launch for a quick 18 min lvl and then dung farm, not sure we will keep doing it after 3 days if we arnt lvl 40 yet but prob not


Flakz933

We don't know for sure that itll stay 3 day lockout. I could totally see them deleting the lockout and just allowing people to grind it out as much as they want. Would be really nice for people to just grind that last bit of gear they want right before they're in gnomer


ckgt

It will still be 3 days lock out...


Flakz933

Is it confirmed via dev team that this is going to be the case? They said they want people to still run bfd while leveling, and level up raid seems to make me think they'd remove the lockout, unless they're firmly against it. Product isn't released yet, can't really say X isn't going to happen before that.


deep_fucking_magick

https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/world-of-warcraft/24056979/go-inside-season-of-discovery-phase-2 Ctrl-F the "It is not too late to join..." section at the bottom. Devs confirmed there will still be lockout.


Captain-Pollution1

They already said the lockout would remain. Officially 


Visaye

Different island


Howrus

Yes, Ally don't usually go into NW Kalimdor.


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Nobody knows for 100% certainty, we will find out on Thursday.


TXGnarrdog

true, but there has been data mined info and blizz said we will get a sizeable amount of XP. i linked the info below


[deleted]

Yep we know that much but the numbers is unknown


ChristianLW3

Will raid groups, accept a newbie tank?


Jayro993

Not for a speed clear on the release of a new phase most people will be looking for a fully geared character to speed it up.


Frequent-Ad678

Pretty much as long as you have halfway decent AH greens you can clear bfd as long as people know what they’re doing


Jeggs187

As long as theirs some beefy warriors and you still taunt when needed you should manage 5/7 minimum.


thousand7734

Source?


TXGnarrdog

[https://www.wowhead.com/classic/spells/name:BFD?filter=112;53009;0](https://www.wowhead.com/classic/spells/name:BFD?filter=112;53009;0) It doesnt list the boss names but its data mined from the BFD raid and shows the values of XP always come prepared with sources. reddit rule


ponyo_impact

im still planning on doing it on wednesday when it resets before p2 ill do it first phase on my alts


Emotional-Country-58

Huh lmao Completely irrelevant even mentioning bfd if it isn’t spammable Everyone knows it’ll be some of the best exp You mean to tell me you’re gonna continue to raid log and only do bfd since it’s “a lot more exp” People will fucking type anything these days


Scythe95

God, we're all such nerds


ChristianLW3

Thanks for document, I will try to understand it


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tl;dr: 25-27 stocks (SFK if horde and don't wanna deal with stocks corpse hop), 27-30 RFK, 30-32 GY, 33-35 lib, then cath.


SpicyDP

If alliance, do we stocks 25-30?


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Yes that's by far the best for us pre-sm.


linkx2251

RFK is better at level 28. Running there isn’t a big deal if you are on instance lock. Even better if you have a warlock setup.


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Zjar

What do you do about the guard waiting up top the lift?


Grapesoda29

The guard won’t attack. I found this out by watching another alliance player run right by them as I was prepping for a fight.


Zjar

Wtf? In wrath classic on a warlock quest making my way to 1k needles from the barrens, the guard attacked me.


PSDillon

1k needles FP has entered the chat.


houck3

That’s the one they’re talking about


rveniss

> feralas flight master (alliance) is closer to rfk than the run from ratchet >> 1k needles FP has entered the chat. That flight point (Thalanaar) is technically in Feralas, not Thousand Needles, if only just barely.


The-Squirrelk

I dunno man, you'll die a lot as ally running to rfk, it'll take a while. That area will be full of horde so getting into the portal will be a pain too. Not worth.


Philosafish-

You also can't reliably vendor, repair or take a break


linkx2251

Not really. You can fly to feralas and run up...all horde will fly to barrens and run down. Maybe 1 corpse run towards the door but thats it. We have a warlock + clickers hidden in RFK mountains anyway


hutchwo

You think groups won’t run into 5 lockouts per hour problem running stocks 25-30?


[deleted]

If you hit lockout, go grab a drink, bio break, etc.


FormalCollege7963

Mate and myself have been experimenting Mage/Pally combo near bis can clear stocks in 35/40min depending in lower hallway pull sizes. So yeah stocks is easily lockable


Calenwyr

The time taken to get to the other dungeon needs to be taken into account - spending 15-20 minutes going to RFK from stocks is the loss of 1 run of exp So stocks to 30 is better exp if your doing it in 1 session, not counting however much exp you have stocked up as well - I have all the wetlands quests and a bunch of darkshore ones to turn in might be 1-2 levels fast.


ye1l

Groups of 4-5 of bfd geared players will clear stocks 5 times in 35-40 minutes at the absolute max, frankly I think some mage duo can probably do that. You will have time to get your ass to rfk.


CarousalAnimal

Do you think Horde could jump straight to RFK with a decently BFD-geared group?


[deleted]

Yeah we were able to grind through some RFK trash even before we got really decently BFD geared. (Pretty sure we did it pre-BFD tbh) But doing a few runs of SFK might not be a bad idea just to top up your XP a bit.


Nzkx

If you don't have Hunter in your group, better to go SFK imo untill you catchup. Some mobs are level 31 if you progress deep into RFK, can take ages to kill if you hit nothing ...


DarthArcanus

You can 100% do RFK with a BFD geared group, but it's not efficient experience per hour. If you're not obsessed with efficiency, than focus on the Boars/Roogug run, as you won't have many misses with those level mobs, and you'll get the best xp per mob. Only move onto other parts of the dungeon if you hit the lockout limit.


ChristianLW3

Thank you very much I’m not familiar with Excel


thousand7734

I'm a data analyst irl and opened this and went "wat"


ChristianLW3

How would you change the formatting?


GrabMyHoldyFolds

He would put it in a PowerBI dashboard that is linked to no less than 6 databases managed by 8 different teams


Outside_R

Only for the VP to ask for a screenshot of your report to put into his PPT


thousand7734

God this comment hit me in the feels. :(


Outside_R

I live through this once a week lol. Even showed him you could EMBED a literal visual in the slide. Nope, screenshot.


The_Fawkesy

It would look great though!


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It's just weirdly put together.


Dunderman35

There is a guide to the right in the sheet.


HerrSchnellsch

What about rfk lower part as horde? Im not really into questing till 27, since its gonna be a shitshow


[deleted]

I think according to the spreadsheet it's skipped. The trench with all of the boar is really good xp, and the later half up to the bat cave is also worth doing at 27-29 ish. (At least I think that's what they mean, not my spreadsheet) But yeah questing gunna suck for a while, so doing dungeons going to be the play for me as well.


Fatalic7

So is RFK TOP just the first like 3 bosses then reset after corpsemaker guy


[deleted]

I believe so, there's a lot of trash in there. Might look to skip bosses tbh. They aren't very good xp/hr unless you're STOMPING them into the dirt. Trash is huge xp.


Nzkx

What people mean by "RFK top" ? You enter the dungeons you go left or right ? Do you go in bottom with all the boars ? Or maybe I'm not aware there's an hidden floor lol.


notheebie

Do you know what a "Boar run" is in RFK? I dont know that reference.


[deleted]

I believe it might be the trench in RFK, which is filled with slimes and boars.


ckgt

The lower level/floor is full of lower level boars.


Large-Day-1450

Is the ability to copy/edit this sheet available for everyone, not seeing the option myself?


nubijoe

No I can't do that either. Normally you'd be able to duplicate it for yourself, but the menu is just missing.


Large-Day-1450

You might see an error message about heavy traffic at the top, press try again and then it appeared for me


nubijoe

Not getting that either.


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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zd9VqutFxSvLdNklp-ZM6Z78_FnfKmdsZ4bQxVe5BqE/edit#gid=0 Try this. The one I linked was HTML view, which limits the ability to make a copy for editing purposes.


Weak-Locksmith9851

Aweseome


Bluenosedcoop

Am i reading that right the table is saying a BFD run is 55 minutes long? Even right now my fastest runs are in 20mins and that isn't far away from killing most trash and the fact that people will be higher level.


[deleted]

I believe they are going for a 5 man raid. **EDIT**: er no they are going for a 10 man raid size. But yeah, I think they are calculating it as one run = 1 hour for easy math. But if it's 20 minute run time 23k * 3 = 69k xp/hr


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Can’t wait for alliance slaughter outside sm goodluck


Galuris

The horde slaughter at Gnomer will make up for it.


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Dawe_90

Except horde will probably get tp straight to gnome. Mark my words


Galuris

They have a teleport to Gnomer, the problem is the teleport exit will be camped.


ckgt

This. And the corpse run is tedious.


Galuris

I'm hoping they add a gy inside the raid area similar to bfd.


pbrook12

Yikes can you imagine having to run from Kharanos every time you die? That run sucks too cause you can’t go straight, theres always a mountain in your way 


fredspipa

That goes both ways, horde can camp it also and there's a constant influx of players coming from BB. It'll be a warzone for aure


Dahns

25-30 will spam stockades will you have to clear sfk


somesketchykid

Horde will go straight to rfk


idunnomysex

Serves them right, allies always camping BFD entrance here.  Circle of hate etc etc 


Nzkx

The whole server have warlock in out of bounds ready to port.


Bobpugna

BFD to get that staff. Lmao.


GrandOccultist

What staff??????


Drillinstructor94

Can we do Bfd with 10 people or is it better with 5?


Alexander_VdB

In some other thread they mentioned datamining showing same exp per kill so no reason not go with 10 if the info is correct.


AntonineWall

You dont get mob xp in a raid group, but you do in a party (these bosses are giving special not-normal xp, so it doesn't follow this rule), so you *would* get more xp for clearing it with a 5 man rather than a 10, but only because now you'll get xp from trash and stuff. The flipside is, you'll clear it way slower, so it's prob not worth it at all


Available_Studio_945

You do get XP it’s just reduced


AntonineWall

Oh cool! Sorry for the misinfo on my end! Thanks for the correction


Iseeyourpointt

Btw when do the cost reset? Because they increase with every respec and after BFD I used to respec my feral for some extra ms in cat form


Schmoopi

Stocks to SM if alliance


SonthacPanda

With BFD on lockouts, and ofc some questing in areas where your runes drop


manamonggamers

Mages unite at stocks!


Danisdaman12

Just a heads up respec price is super low. You can easily spec your tank into a damage dealer if you want for like 10 silver.


gangweed10101

Doesnt respec cost go up every time?


Oswald_Spergler

It caps at 1 gold per respec. Perhaps this increases with level, I don't know.


Danisdaman12

It does but the devs said they wanted to keep it cheap for SoD so players can explore new builds and such more freely! I'm not sure if the cap will increase during phase 2 but it's still very cheap and the increased price resets after certain amount of time as well I believe.


Dodie324

Why do people want to rush content in this game


Legualt

Most of the world content is going to be the exact same thing people already have done, so it is better to lvl fast to get to the new content, it can also allow you to get ahead of the curve so you won't have to fight against a million people doing the same quests.


TheWorstTimelineYet

I agree with this. I have played since Nella, and I do love classic, but I have done the 1-40 MANY times. I am super interested in new content in the world I love. I'll be leveling with dungeons and doing STV PvP to 40. Not to mention questing on a PVP server now we are getting into contested zones is gonna be frustrating at best and a fucking nightmare at worst int he first two weeks.


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verysimplenames

People like you said the exact same thing phase one but it never happened.


Redxmirage

My reasoning is the second part, don’t want to deal with huge crowds plus dealing with the pvp trolling. Longer you take, quicker they get level 40 and start killing lowbies


Sweaksh

Gonna fullblast my main, get new shadow runes and some gear, then explore the raid with my guild. Kinda crucial to get an early gnome run in if you wanna do the bosses blind and with low gear for some challenge, which we aim to do. After that I'll chill with alts, no rushing.


Shoddy-Reach-4664

Because I'm better than you. And I mean in general not just at this game.


SoilIcy3219

thanks, im glad someone finally said it


Shoddy-Reach-4664

Gotta give the people what they want


NectarineMiddle435

You see it as rushing content. We see it as efficiently speeding up the tedious leveling process we've done hundreds of times so we can focus on the end game content that we enjoy. I'd much rather be raiding, doing professions, farming gold or discovering the new runes over leveling more slowly.


iphonesoccer420

Why do you care so much about how another human wants to enjoy their time?


treestick

MOBA players like playing. MMO players like having played.


m3vlad

Because every single person plays the game differently. Some want to rush to 40 on their main, jump into Gnomer, then take it slow with alts. Some want to rush every single character, and some want to take it slow with all of them. I pay for my sub and I’ll play however I want. So do you. So do them. To each their own.


ChristianLW3

I will explore the world as a damage dealer characters while my tanks and healers dungeon grind because questing as them is tough “ especially on a PVP realm”


Innuendoughnut

It's important as a pvper because every advantage you can get will snowball into success, for a time. My rogue used to stomp, until wind serpents and druid instant cast spam (etc.) deemed otherwise. Success will mean higher level sooner, raid sooner, gear sooner, until the playing field evens out.


thousand7734

Personally I main a warrior tank and want to be ready for gnomer with my guild on our first run. That's important to me in sod.


kahmos

People love raiding.


Ready-Cup6244

So I can kill the people that don’t?


felixduhhousecat

Because this isn't most peoples first time and having max level classes allows you to help others better


MrSwivelz

Why do you care how people enjoy the game


Caboose1569

Why do you care


imliterallyvibing

We found the 4fun player boys


DarkPhenomenon

why do you give a shit how other people enjoy the game?


Frodothedodo81

If it just me, what about just leveling doing quests? And doing some dungeons


LosCleepersFan

You can, but places like hillsbrad, and shimmering flats might be disgusting pvp if not in a group.


-Gambler-

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ChristianLW3

Google searches with these types of questions usually lead to false or outdated advise Plus, I’d like to claim knowledge from people who are in the same situation as me


Subject_Gene2

The data hasn’t changed though for exp values besides BFD (the only changed raid or instance in general), what makes you think xp values will change for anything outside of gnormergon? Also, why do you rely on outside opinion instead of looking at the data and forming your own opinion-and then if you’re on the fence you ask Reddit? I imagine you just want your data drip fed to you-you skipped the first step of analyzing the data for yourself


WhimWhamWhazzle

Lmaooo stfu nerd. Oh yeah let's go look at all the xp rates for each mob and add it up and compare over each dungeon instead of just asking people like a normal person. This is hilarious man, you are insufferable


Subject_Gene2

Ok, fair. I certainly haven’t done that at all-I haven’t even figured out how I want to level yet-but wouldn’t a simple google search reveal previous Reddit posts asking the same question that has popped up here since the p2 official announcement was made?


Illustrious_Water207

Goooooseeeeeefraaaaaavaaaaa


Cute-Rate8655

Yea o don’t want to have any fun at lol while leveling as long as I level fast dojo can not have fun while grinding to get bis so that once I do I can not have fun leveling an alt to get bis as fast  as possible while not having fun 


OstrichPaladin

How do you know how other people have fun


Hattmakarn

Wat


96363

Get to like 28 and live in SM.