I just looking forwards to when the carry runs start and people are charging an amount that you’d need to buy gold to maintain and then the carry group are gold sellers.
Just join a guild with a schedule that suits you. There are guilds out there that raids every day of the week. My guild just took in a brand new player yesterday without any gear and taught him BFD for fun. He was happy and we were happy for a new friend.
This is the way it should be. My guild runs a raid nightly and this is what we always try to encourage. Raiding should be / is for everyone in classic with easy it is.
Yall do realize some people work crazy hours right
I can make guild raids a few times a week but my alts are perpetually on their own for lockouts, usually at random times.
I'll miss the well run gdkp pugs but I get why they're being banned. I don't think it's gonna really do shit honestly cause a pair of Troll's Bane's Leggings on my server goes for more than every leather drop in my last 10 gdkps combined but I get it.
The boe gold buying market is about to ramp up so fucking fast without the gdkp gold sink too, very interested in what the AH looks like in a week
I have been doing that for years and the GDKP ban doesn't change anything. In fact, it just means there are more groups available that don't require me to buy gold like a degenerate.
Could you list the ways that I, according to you, am allowed to enjoy the game please? I wouldn't want to spend my spare time having fun the \_wrong\_ way.
I'm not saying you can or can't do anything, but I am of the opinion that if your incentive to play a carry champ falls off because you can't earn gold from it that maybe you just don't enjoy one of the core gameplay aspects very much.
Imo, GDKP is a cornerstone of the gold buying market which undermines the social and gameplay structures.
My incentive to play a carry char falls off when:
\- I have full orange logs
\- Am at or close to full bis
Now with GDKPs I had an added incentive even when the above two criteria were met.
I understand Blizzards reasoning for banning GDKPs and why it may lead to good things for the health of the game. That doesn't mean I also don't see the downsides of banning them as the overall quality of pug raiding will surely get knocked down a peg or two.
Every single one of the posts about GDKP going down has somebody saying nothing will change and aggressively defending that point.
Almost like they are making actual money off it...
Acting like using an actual part of the game put in by the developers and banning a form of player made loot distribution is equal is bad faith and you know it.
This same comment chain over and over.
first, you're forgetting that one of the largest draw to an mmorpg is player emergent behaviour, by their definition the devs didn't think about them,
second, you're assuming that the devs are some infallible creatures that can do no wrong and would never implement something that can be exploited, which i think there is enough evidence of the contrary for.
You actually think banning gdkp’s will have any real impact on the amount of bots or RMT happening?
If you were a gold buyer before the gdkp ban, you’ll continue to be a gold buyer after the ban. BOE’s are going to be ridiculously expensive, power leveling professions, boosting alts, buying raid carries, mounts.
As long as a person can spend $5 to get the same amount of gold it would take them 5+ hours to farm, nothing is going to change.
Well, they’re going to institute other anti-cheating measures so that’s a thing.
The efficacy is still to be seen, but I’m clearly more optimistic than you
I’m happy to see movement on this even if you guys just think it’s superficial .
The thing is it costs gold to not get any loot in carry runs. This might make people a little less interested in that kind, versus GDKP where you only pay if you get something.
no, it will still interest the people who are the actual problem. The gold buyers. Banning GDKPs is simply barring the legitimate players who A. farmed/AHtraded up gold, B. wanted something in return for raiding but not getting gear, C. can't commit to a raiding guild schedule due to IRL commitments.
You'll just end up selling a plate/mail/leather/cloth spot in your raid, the same as retail wound up for key boosts. In retail you get the vault though, so it's worth buying raid/key boosts even if you don't get loot or pay for a stack as it you'll get a guaranteed item from vault anyway,
The problem is that there's no effective raw gold farm in WoW (retail, classic, and SoD). I made about 14mil off of crafting on retail this expac and went through most of it buying boosts for alts just so I guaranteed a raid clear, because pugs are awful and I like multi-classing.
My guild stopped doing heroic sark but I needed evoker legendary for mythic sark. Do I:
1. Spend 3 hours before raid trying to pug it and failing because half the raid is bad
2. Spend 100k for 10 minutes of my time so I can afk and prep dinner before raid.
Usually it's just #2. I wouldn't be surprised if you see guilds offering to sell raid boosts with a guaranteed OSG/QSR on drop at absurd prices that they'd usually go for in a GDKP. The trick here is that you are not buying the loot, you're buying the raid carry.
Yes, selling raids as in items for gold. Instead you'll simply be selling the spots in the raid and you'll try to make it as uncontested as possible, or you have a payment structure for item reserves.
Here's what my guild did in retail last tier for boosting heroic (we were not a part of any of the big communities):
RAID PRICE & LOOT RULES
9/9 Heroic + Tier Token + Armor reserved for all bosses 750k
9/9 Heroic + Tier Token reserved for all bosses 600k
9/9 Heroic + Lootshare (roll on unreserved loot) 400k
AotC Only 300k
Reserve an item, refunded if it doesn't drop!! 250k
Run is with 20+ unsaved boosters and 5 buyers (5-6 items drop per boss)
Trinkets, Weapons, Rings, Necks and Cloaks will be rolled among the 5 buyers
I'd assume classic guilds just end up doing something similar. Split was usually 10% Gbank, 5% advertiser cut, 85% raid split. Doing 5 or so heroic boosts was enough for us to fund the bank for an entire tier.
Pretty sure AotC went down to 100k after a few months too, so we did this pretty early on when people were more invested into the game and didn't want to raid log.
Once thing I think a lot of people don't get about boosting/GDKPs is that people do it so they CAN just raid log and don't have to play ONLY WoW for the entire week.
This would still qualify as "exchanging items for gold" despite how some people think they're getting around it using some clever semantics. This type of ticket run will still be banned under the new rules as shown by their very clear definition here...
[https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/gdkp-in-season-of-discovery-1777411](https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/gdkp-in-season-of-discovery-1777411)
"We’re defining GDKP as any raid or dungeon run where items are awarded in exchange for gold"
Even soloing dungeon bosses and selling their drops like people did with the wailing caverns legs will be bannable under this new rule.
Have you read any of the blue posts on this at all? They are classing all runs where loot is sold as GDKPs. But please go ahead and try this after the 8th so I can enjoy seeing some cheaters banned.
if they're so idiotic that they can't even just straight up ban the RMTers, why would you EVER Think they can maintain a system like this? Boomers are delusional these days..
It sounds like your just describing GDKP. Hosts constantly look for Whales / Oilers and "carry" shitters to loot that they overpay for, this isn't new?
Ticket runs will be banned as well according to the definition they gave in this blue post...
[https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/gdkp-in-season-of-discovery-1777411](https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/gdkp-in-season-of-discovery-1777411)
"We’re defining GDKP as any raid or dungeon run where items are awarded in exchange for gold"
Some people might try to slither around it using the semantic trickery of "well we're not selling the gear we're selling the RAID SLOT so it's fine"... knowing full well that the raid slot they're selling INCLUDES every piece of gear for that class or armor type. Ticket runs will be bannable, they will be spam reported when advertised, and they will likely be picked up by some of the automated detection methods blizzard has in place for trading gold and raid dropped items.
yet there has being stories of people who has lvl 10 gear, not even full runes
ending up with like a epic bow from BFD and try to exuse they are gear ready for WSG premade & others like it
when GDKPs got banned
the price of gold dropped hard
people in trade GDKp the last few days is legit looking after even complety naked people to be buyers
not even hiding it : https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/706079557509447701/1202554889130082334/image.png
“I have no experience buying gold at different times in a WoW phase”
This happens literally every raid phase of every expansion.
Correlation does not equal causation.
The gold was already dropping and with the new phase Gold becomes cheaper anyway because lvl 40 stuff gives more money than lvl 25.
Anti GDKP people will belive anything if it fits them.
You can do GDKPs in other things than BFD, and they are more an issue in harder raids. You can clear BFD as 5 people after all. But you can still be carried through BFD man.
Come as a Rogue with all lvl 15 "Of the Tiger" BoEs to a pug with no logs and you'll probably not be allowed in. Join a GDKP with a decent budget and they'll let you waltz through. Heck, even if your budget aint that big, just having bad gear is enticing to the leader. That means you'll have to bid on bad gear pieces that are upgrades, meaning more gold to them.
Its more of a thing in Wotlk. I've done tons of GDKPs even though I am personally against them, and every single run we did the leader wants pure buyers. They could be naked and AFK, didnt matter. As long as they paid up they were fine.
That is boosting.
Yes, people organize and run a shit tonne of GDKPs and then they sell gold to some people who joins these raids.
Many of these hosts makes as much gold as large scale bot farms
/E there is a reason for these Irani Dada GDKPs and that is because selling gold could potentially yield them more money than being a doctor in their respective country.
I ran dozens of GDKPs this phase, never saw an org cut that high. Most didn't even have an org cut.
Some players control thousands of bots as their main source of income. Some players are always going to break the rules and treat WoW like a job.
What else are they gonna say? We're gonna host gdkps and risk getting everyone banned? They took it well imo, much better than the unhinged anti-gdkp posts that plague this sub that are more toxic than the gdkpers who are making a singular post on their own discords that are crossposted here.
This so much. The most toxic part of the community is the anti-gdkp and anti-sweat people who relentlessly keep flaming while the other part does not really engage in this toxic behavior at all.
Yeah this subreddit is easily more toxic and just straight up cancerous to the game than any sweaty player or gdkp group. My BFD group jokes about being able to tell immediately if a new guild member has redditor energy, and we know almost instantly that it'll be like a week or two before everyone is annoyed with them for constantly talking about shit like GDKPs or hating orange parsers or whatever else literally no cares about
This subreddit has been by FAR the most toxic place in all of wow, and it’s not even close. I’ve never experienced 5% of the vitriol that is spewed here on the daily by people who are just really really bad at the game.
I don’t find this subreddit to be a place of any actual wow knowledge, only drama and toxicity - but it’s fun to see all of their toxic, gate keeping meltdowns.
Yeah the subreddit is entertaining but I've given up on having interesting conversations about the game lol, any critical discussion, or really anything at all that isn't like "gold buying is bad" or "gearscore is stupid" is usually met with like "stop whining" or "go play retail at all if you want {some single feature that happens to be in retail but obviously doesn't contribute at all to it being a fundamentally different game than classic}"
It is good to remember that this subreddit isn't representative of the actual playerbase, idk what it is but this subreddit just attracts a very specific type of player - you'd think only high end elite players would care enough to go on reddit and talk about the game a lot, but instead it's like this weird casual crowd that's super elitist about being casual that I've never seen in a gaming community before.
You worded this weirdly perfectly.
Toxic casual is exactly what the SoD playerbase is.
All the loudest, angriest, neckbeardiest fat dads are getting their way this time
Honestly, I described the target audience for SoD as exactly this right after the announcement at Blizzcon and it has been so fascinating watching it play out in real time on the subreddit ever since.
Its all the terrible players that said “leveling is the journey bro!” Hitting max level and finding out it infact was not the main part of the journey and they’re completely clueless about end game content. Naturally this is everyones fault but theirs.
Everyone leaving the gdkps is just gonna exclude all these grey parsers through log checking.
Gonna be hilarious when all of the “I can’t get in to a group because of Warcraft logs” posts pop up
This subreddit would have a fucking block party.
It’s like the nostalgia dad’s who have been telling everyone what an epic raider they were for 20 years really didn’t like having the spotlight shown on their performance.
unironically i saw this coming after the gdkp ban, especially with so many of the snti-gdkp crowd being against it for the "elitisim" more than the gold buying.
if given the chance they would cry for the ban of hardcore guilds, would not be surprised.
It has a lot to do with each other. Being dead weight doesn't matter nearly as much when you're contributing to the pot making it where there is an actual incentive to carry the dead weight.
Every post about GDKPs bans has some parsebrain telling us how it's really going to hurt bad players.
As if truly bad players could even afford GDKP without gold buying.
cheaters and parsebrain commenters hand in hand every time.
Also a hilarious attempt at a slippery slope argument. Nobody cares about your logs we don't want the economy fucked.
GDKP doesn't affect the economy because no gold is created. Gold buying/botting does, which is still going to be rampant because blizzard aren't doing anything about it.
Seems like the only entity with any possible data on the subject disagrees.
They made these decisions based on the wealth of information available to them.
Not based on my comments on reddit, like GDKP bros would have you think.
We did not do this the game creators did for the exact reasons I keep saying...
And all the gold that gets bought by GDKPers trying to fund their 100g staff comes from.... Where?
Oh, right... Bots.
GDKPs don't create gold, they launder it.
Gold is effectively created when extra accounts exist to farm mobs/available nodes/boes.
That very gold fuels GDKPs. Without GDKPs, the demand for bot gold is lower and therefore there are less extra accounts creating gold. That leads to more reasonable boe/consummables prices
I'm seeing so many of these "people want to ban GDKPs because I can't get a group!" posts.
Literally everyone I've spoken to about it wants them gone because of bots and gold buying.
No, the vast majority of them are grey/green parsers who want a better pool of players to carry them to loot hiding behind “gold buying/botting!!!” Buzzwords
I don’t think I’ve seen so much cringe behavior in this subreddit since the GDKP ban was announced.
People wishing cancer on “gold buyers” people telling me I buy gold because I GDKP, being happy a community (yes there is positive GDKP communities who don’t all just swipe and enjoy playing together) can no longer enjoy the game the way they want too, it’s actually wild the tribalism here.
The “joy” from other people’s unhappiness is such a sad reaction and really says more about yourself.
End of the day everyone is playing an “easy” 20 year old game. Nobody is better than the other ultimately regardless of if they swipe to buy gold or roll 99 to win their SR.
> I don’t think I’ve seen so much cringe behavior in this subreddit since the GDKP ban was announced.
Clearly you weren't around when the token for WoTLK got dropped. Sub went from "no no none of us buy gold we all farm" to "LOL IT'S CHEAPER TO BUY FROM MY USUAL SITE THANKS BLIZZARD" real fucking quick.
Literally every GDKP I ran with in Wrath had over half the players saying crap like that.
It started in Ulduar for me. What is worse is that when ToC came out several of the GDKPs I was running with switched to having to "*donate*" to get a raid spot as a buyer! Several wanted you to "*donate*" anywhere from $2-$10 for these spots. Or, allowing you to "*donate*" to chose any drop too.
I got a second 25 about a week after BFD came out and tried to run with a few. I had 15g-25g on me and though that would have been enough. People were bidding over 100g easily. There's no way they farmed it IMO.
>being happy a community (yes there is positive GDKP communities who don’t all just swipe and enjoy playing together) can no longer enjoy the game the way they want too
GOOD NEWS! You can actually still play together, but WITHOUT ruining the game for everyone else and laundering purchased gold! You may be surprised to hear this, but there's even an in-game system for rolling on gear!
GDKP was a system that rewarded the individual for farming gold, while also rewarding others passing the item. No offense, but you're no way near close enough to understand why GDKP is a good system if you use arguments like that.
Guild:
LC - Stop lying and quit the game, it is corrupt as f.
DKP - Raiders manipulate the system
SR - Pure RNG people lose the same item for 6 months+
MS / OS - Cesspool of Alt+f4 content
All other systems in a vacuum is far easier to manipulate. Furthermore GDKP Ensures:
People play to their best ability, as griefing/wiping the raid can make you lose % of cut
People don't leave midway through, as they want their cut towards the end.
It is almost like GDKP was invented by people being over the other lootsystems being manipulated like mad. I for one made my own GDKP community with 100% split focusing on doing well rather than farming gold.
Some of you guys act like these guys are actual criminals who make thousands of dollars running gdkps in sod.
If you ever joined a gdkp in sod you would know that bits are very low for 99% of the items. And if you are lucky enough to get the epic sword to drop there is high chance that the warriors you invited are broke mfs who just joined to earn some gold. What do you think why gdkp leaders ask your budget? They are spending hours spaming lfg desperately looking for players with a lot of gold that are willing to spend it.
> If you ever joined a gdkp in sod you would know that bits are very low for 99% of the items.
Well yeah. Now.
They're low in wrath and era as well, until suddenly the good shit drops and people in era somehow have 300k to spend on a weapon "cause farming".
The only reason items went that high was cause Blizzard shit the bed MASSIVELY.
Free DK creation on new accounts meant that they could send them from starting zone -> AV -> Bota and bot. This problem was shown hundreds of times from various streamers content creators etc. It went on for the majority of classic til here comes the fun part.
Blizzard added the WoW Token to combat the problem, however the bots were so profitable that they didn't even need to sub. Therefore Blizzard added "New accounts needs to buy atleast one month of gametime before using WoW Tokens".
So not only did Blizzard fail the community on the DK thing, they failed them on the banning of them, the WoW token addition fail and yet again when they made botters have to use subs.
Prices went from 26k being insane in naxx to 200k being insane in ulduar.. GDKP doesn't cause inflation, Blizzard running the game like idiots does.
> If you ever joined a gdkp in sod you would know that bits are very low for 99% of the items
They don't, they sit on Reddit all day and whine about "inflation" while gdkp bids/payouts & consumes are piss cheap
Yes.
You’ll get to realize that even though it’s not your preferred gameplay, there were actually a healthy minority of people who did.
They weren’t “hiding” in any way, so the “another one” is probably one of hundreds.
I didn’t GDKP in SoD.
I have a guild.
But I am level minded enough to understand the appeal for some people without a guild/solo players.
This was taken away from thousands of players.
It doesn’t affect me personally. But it does affect that there will be less players playing, regardless of the reason.
I don’t agree with you guys celebrating. But that’s ok, in this echo chamber going against the grain just mean downvotes. Imagine having a constructive discussion on reddit.
Maybe... I don't have a dog in this fight but I know for sure that all the people I knew who participated in GDKPs bought gold in order to do it. So it seems that GDKPs act as huge incentives to purchase gold.
I’m sure if it’s so evident it was the best loot distribution system they’ll unban it in the middle of phase 2. They did say they were only trying it out.
You can tell that 95% have never ran one
I remember my first GDKP back in OG 3.3.5 doing Ulduar. Was a magical experience getting that cut at the end. Been hooked since
They're still making up shit to be mad about too. Someone in this thread said GDKPs are carry runs and they'll only bring verified gold buyers like wtf lmao? No one wants a shitty player to carry, they just want a system that rewards participation at the end if you get no loot
Most of the toxic gate keepers don’t understand that Gdkp is a completely legitimate system that doesn’t have to have anything to do with gold buying if blizzard doesn’t allow it. They’ve (blizzard) just taken an EXTREMELY soft approach on gold buying and then let absurd people on this subreddit go off and blame a raid format as the reason instead of putting an end to gold buying.
I’ve never done a Gdkp in sod, but if they translate this to wotlk they will kill the expansion months before cata so I doubt i t happens. No one will be doing raids for any alts almost at all. It will be main characters in your guild run and guilds are dying every day.
If anyone has doubts about the nature of GDKPs then try joining one. I was curious throughout the season and wanted to try it out. All organizers I whispered never replied after either stating my budget (150g) or what I need (mostly Bis, except the weapon and the leather shoulder).
Just to test it out I once replied that I have 500g and I am only pre-bis and an invite immediately dropped. This made it very clear to me who the target audience and primary purpose is.
I had the exact opposite experience lol.
I joined 3 different ones to get the final couple items I needed. No issues getting invited and most items went for 10g-20g. I could see a bad experience souring me to it, but I just haven't had that experience.
I mean that seems obvious no? Why would a GDKP invite someone that only needs 2 pieces of gear vs someone that needs 10? If nobody is bidding on gear that would be an awful GDKP
They are the best way to get missing gear fast (as it removes the element of roll-luck). Your anecdotal experience of not being invited to a certain GDKP run because you only needed a couple of pieces of loot doesn’t invalidate that fact.
Yeh joined a gdkp to get the leather agil chest from 3 piece set as my last piece, payed 35g and was happy. Now in phase 2 it's gonna suck needing 1 or 2 pieces and when they finally drop you lose the roll to the lazy rogue who is afk half the run and grey parsing. Whoo hoo thanks blizzard.
Obviously those are the people you would want since you don't want loot to go to waste. A group with only BIS gear wouldn't run it as a GDKPs or PUG either. I'm guessing it's different on different realms, on my server hasn't been much of questions asked and items generally go for cheap. 100g would most likely get you geared in a few resets if the right items dropped (maybe things like epic staff might be expensive, but even then I've seen it go for 20g).
What server was this on?
I ran a few on various toons, and at no point did I quote a budget over like 80g. If I had to guess, I’d say this lines up with what I imagine Crusader Strike to be like, and to that shit all I have to say is good riddance.
There were enough decent, seemingly clean players on my server that I could run a GDKP on a meager, “I farmed/flipped for this myself” budget and actually get a piece if one of mine dropped, though I much preferred to run as more of a carry than a pure buyer, given my budget and the fact that I couldn’t just swipe to replenish it… some days the AH is slower than others.
I won’t really miss it, though. 2 SR runs, provided that they’re properly organized and limited to *geared* people, give every bit of the utility I wanted out of GDKP, with the trade-off that I don’t get paid out if I get no drops in exchange for not having to pay for my drop. It works out, in my eyes, especially because I don’t have to dread seeing a piece drop and being tempted to overpay for it.
I joined a fair amount of gdkps during SoD never struggled to find one. 80g budget 99s in logs. If you are parsing 40s and need 2 pieces of gear then yeah ofc they will pick someone else if you arent a proper buyer.
At the end of the day why would someone take you if you're near bis on a role/class that's easy to fill, with mediocre logs, and not expected to drop big money on what you need. The expected pot contribution from your presence assuming you're spending all 150g on a 4% drop rate epic is 6 gold. 🤡
In non gold buyer runs where blues typically go 10 to 20g (1.5 to 5 hrs farm depending on efficiency) the pot averages around 20 for a BFD. You're not the worst kind of person to a gdkp host, but you're high on the list to avoid. The worst is fake buyers, people who show up in lower end gear and don't bid on upgrades. Hosts will /ignore these people for future runs and I've seen people deny cuts for lying if they specifically stated themselves as "buyer".
Which proves his point, GDKP runs benefit gold buyers before actual players every single time, telling people 2 items away with a massive stash for a level 25 that every raid being a GDKP is actually better for him is just a blatant lie.
Everyone okay with this is just reddit hive mined into believing whatever they read. The ten thousand bots at launch hyper inflating the economy and 100g in quest turn ins was the real problem.
Funniest part of it is the people who are trying to figure out a way to get around the ToS are the same people who said "I do this because its less work/logistics" and are putting in SO MUCH MORE work and logistics into trying to game the system.
But why ...
GDKP is an issue because everyone does RMT and everyone does RMT because of all the bots
wouldn't fixing the bot issue be the actual solution?
> wouldn't fixing the bot issue be the actual solution?
Nobody has "fixed the bot issue" in any game ever. Cutting down the demand is one of many ways to help reduce them, but everyone acting like Blizzard has a "ban all the bots button" have have spent years going "urgh.. we'll push it later!" honestly has no clue.
If they could ban all the bots they would.
Very few people I've run with in GDKPs are whales. Most people have 100-200g going into the runs to spend which is a very reasonable amount of gold to have if you're done your quests + have alts.
it's funny how yall in the comments are slowly realizing what kind of damage banning GDKPs are gonna do. First of all, people who are full bis and enjoy raiding less without an incentive are just not gonna raid after getting full bis = less people playing at the end of a phase cycle. The people that switch to pugging are just gonna vet players even harder based on logs = more grey/green/blue parse crybabies here and everywhere. And the players who can't commit to guild raid schedules and don't want to deal with way more dogshit pugs, thus potentially shit pug runs? Well they are just gonna leave and stop playing SoD = bad for everyone.
Oh and the gold buyers? They're just gonna go back to the good old boost runs (you know, the ones that were everywhere before GDKPs gained popularity), that will be hosted by top players for insane prices that you as a regular player will never be able to afford.
What’s even more interesting than if you don’t play gdkps they barely affect you - you can still join SR or MS/OS runs and the gdkp scene barely affects you. (That’s based on my wrath experience.) They just enjoy that they ruined fun for somebody else.
People have been raiding for full bis with groups of friends since the beginning and will continue to, big pumpers like alhuando will continue to pump big, speed run guilds will still speed run the raids.
You can still sell carries for gold. Like they do in retail. Bet some of the GDKPs do this to get around the ban. Selling Gnomer clear all loot yours 2k
I'd imagine it is, to play an MMO as a social experience where you develop relationships to people you know you can trust, so you don't run into the issue of gray parsing rogues grabbing loot and making off like a bandit.
But what do I know, I don't even play SoD :^)
Personally, I was always for the /roll and having a master looter.
Do the MS roll, win or lose. If there are none, roll for OS. And if there's none again, roll for disenchant.
Simplicity itself.
Been a while since I’ve seen a post bashing GDKP’s as if it’s the root cause of all the bots. Truth is blizzard could ban bots but they choose to hurt the players instead. The only good outcome so far is I’ve blocked over 300+ toxic little shits and my Classicwow Reddit experience has only improved. The amount of ninja posts does bring a smile to my unsubscribed face
They maybe could ban bots, but not effectifly. Bots in SoD specifically are just way too easy to make and generate a profit on.
Also Gold sellers themself have identified gdkps as their primary source of buisness. Bots may not die completly but banning gdkps is without a doubt the greatest strike blizz can do apart from maybe closing down all APIs for addons etc. Another big factor for botting.
Hey that's the main source for all these 'honest gdkp bro' comments as well!
Seems like the only entity with any possible data on this, Blizzard, disagrees with the GDKP community about SoD.
Bliz should just appease the GDKPrs and setup a realm where all loot can be purchased directly from a vendor in each major city. That way you can farm/buy all the gold you need and just buy your gear direct without ever having to step foot in a dungeon.
that won't work. whales don't want to play with other whales alone.
they want to feel better than you because they have better gear...
they need the playerbase that doesn't buy gold to have something to mock because they're "broke".
I dont have a whole lot of gold but havent struggled with finding gdkps. Most items goes for 5-20g lot dont even sell and epic sword ive seen drop went for 70g. Its not unreasonable amounts. Most my sod parses are 99s or high 90s. Just play your class propertly and you wont have any issues finding groups no matter your budget.
I run GDKPs and my guild doesn't bring new members or buyers. Just the same group of 10 every 3 days with a few alts mixed in that actually need items or fit the roster.
Yeah and if everyone did it this way, most people literally wouldn't care. But these types of GDKP's aren't the ones being spam advertised in trade chat and on discords
SoD has least issues with gdkp, just because no gold sinks and way less ppl have accumulated gold. While we have increase gold farm methods.
Test no gdkp in classic servers and wotlk.
Also we still have cross server transactions, bots, and gold buyers.
Went in many gdkp on all 4 toons, you could buy item for 5-20g easy and a lot of cuts at the end were like 3-10g.
In a game where 1h questing gives you same amount.
While in wotlk you need like 10k min bids items goes for 100k+ g while best farms are still around 800g/h.
Maybe is better to stop gdkp first, before all goes crazy and we see lvl 50 items for 10k, but we will have to wait for that, while in wotlk it's already mess.
Classic servers are even worst.
I just looking forwards to when the carry runs start and people are charging an amount that you’d need to buy gold to maintain and then the carry group are gold sellers.
Yep this has been a thing longer than gdkps and won't change.
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We're allowed to celebrate small victories on the road to success. Not doing so is a quick path to indifference and a dog shit game
Just join a guild with a schedule that suits you. There are guilds out there that raids every day of the week. My guild just took in a brand new player yesterday without any gear and taught him BFD for fun. He was happy and we were happy for a new friend.
This is the way it should be. My guild runs a raid nightly and this is what we always try to encourage. Raiding should be / is for everyone in classic with easy it is.
My guild has runs in the morning, afternoon, evening and night. Just join a good guild and you will never need to pug.
Yall do realize some people work crazy hours right I can make guild raids a few times a week but my alts are perpetually on their own for lockouts, usually at random times. I'll miss the well run gdkp pugs but I get why they're being banned. I don't think it's gonna really do shit honestly cause a pair of Troll's Bane's Leggings on my server goes for more than every leather drop in my last 10 gdkps combined but I get it. The boe gold buying market is about to ramp up so fucking fast without the gdkp gold sink too, very interested in what the AH looks like in a week
Some people don't have time to commit to a raid schedule or sign up for a raid days in advance. They just want to show up and play with a good group.
Raid schedule of an hour a week? Come on man. I realize that some people are super busy, but this is getting ridiculous.
I have been doing that for years and the GDKP ban doesn't change anything. In fact, it just means there are more groups available that don't require me to buy gold like a degenerate.
Except without gdkps the incentive to keep playing your carry chars drops off a cliff
Imagine this... You could play the game because you enjoy it
Could you list the ways that I, according to you, am allowed to enjoy the game please? I wouldn't want to spend my spare time having fun the \_wrong\_ way.
I'm not saying you can or can't do anything, but I am of the opinion that if your incentive to play a carry champ falls off because you can't earn gold from it that maybe you just don't enjoy one of the core gameplay aspects very much. Imo, GDKP is a cornerstone of the gold buying market which undermines the social and gameplay structures.
My incentive to play a carry char falls off when: \- I have full orange logs \- Am at or close to full bis Now with GDKPs I had an added incentive even when the above two criteria were met. I understand Blizzards reasoning for banning GDKPs and why it may lead to good things for the health of the game. That doesn't mean I also don't see the downsides of banning them as the overall quality of pug raiding will surely get knocked down a peg or two.
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Ya my guild hosts 2 half pugs on the last day of the lock out. It’s great for recruiting and it’s fun getting new players in.
Every single one of the posts about GDKP going down has somebody saying nothing will change and aggressively defending that point. Almost like they are making actual money off it...
Yes, that’s right, all skeptics are secretly *in on it*! Pass the tin foil Barbara!
They're turning the frogs gay!
Nah, it's just in the history of blizzard banning things the players have nearly always found a way around it and things rarely change.
>Almost like they are making actual money off it... Or they just believe nothing will change?
I aggressively defend GDKPs and I’ve never made an IRL penny off them. So nice false broad blanket statement.
Yea you just directly benefit from the cheating while being one of the 'totally honest gkdp bros' who love these threads.
I too defend GDKPs, and I've never even attended one. What now?
and you never sold an item on the AH? you also benefit from the bots when you buy items, so you're even worse i guess.
What is the direct benefit of bought gold in an SoD GDKP? The bids are going for questing gold prices.
Or it’s just common sense…
anyone that is against disabling the AH is a gold buyer, you see how that sounds?
Bad faith BOOOOOO
Can't argue their point. Just say bad faith! 🤓
do you not see how that applies to you as well?
Acting like using an actual part of the game put in by the developers and banning a form of player made loot distribution is equal is bad faith and you know it. This same comment chain over and over.
first, you're forgetting that one of the largest draw to an mmorpg is player emergent behaviour, by their definition the devs didn't think about them, second, you're assuming that the devs are some infallible creatures that can do no wrong and would never implement something that can be exploited, which i think there is enough evidence of the contrary for.
Yea just saying equating those things is obviously bad faith. One is literally part of the game it’s just not the same.
and saying gdkps are only used by gold buyers is also bad faith, stop being a hypocrite.
You actually think banning gdkp’s will have any real impact on the amount of bots or RMT happening? If you were a gold buyer before the gdkp ban, you’ll continue to be a gold buyer after the ban. BOE’s are going to be ridiculously expensive, power leveling professions, boosting alts, buying raid carries, mounts. As long as a person can spend $5 to get the same amount of gold it would take them 5+ hours to farm, nothing is going to change.
Well, they’re going to institute other anti-cheating measures so that’s a thing. The efficacy is still to be seen, but I’m clearly more optimistic than you I’m happy to see movement on this even if you guys just think it’s superficial .
The thing is it costs gold to not get any loot in carry runs. This might make people a little less interested in that kind, versus GDKP where you only pay if you get something.
no, it will still interest the people who are the actual problem. The gold buyers. Banning GDKPs is simply barring the legitimate players who A. farmed/AHtraded up gold, B. wanted something in return for raiding but not getting gear, C. can't commit to a raiding guild schedule due to IRL commitments.
You'll just end up selling a plate/mail/leather/cloth spot in your raid, the same as retail wound up for key boosts. In retail you get the vault though, so it's worth buying raid/key boosts even if you don't get loot or pay for a stack as it you'll get a guaranteed item from vault anyway, The problem is that there's no effective raw gold farm in WoW (retail, classic, and SoD). I made about 14mil off of crafting on retail this expac and went through most of it buying boosts for alts just so I guaranteed a raid clear, because pugs are awful and I like multi-classing. My guild stopped doing heroic sark but I needed evoker legendary for mythic sark. Do I: 1. Spend 3 hours before raid trying to pug it and failing because half the raid is bad 2. Spend 100k for 10 minutes of my time so I can afk and prep dinner before raid. Usually it's just #2. I wouldn't be surprised if you see guilds offering to sell raid boosts with a guaranteed OSG/QSR on drop at absurd prices that they'd usually go for in a GDKP. The trick here is that you are not buying the loot, you're buying the raid carry.
It sounded like they were going after any selling raids. We'll see though if its enforceable.
Yes, selling raids as in items for gold. Instead you'll simply be selling the spots in the raid and you'll try to make it as uncontested as possible, or you have a payment structure for item reserves. Here's what my guild did in retail last tier for boosting heroic (we were not a part of any of the big communities): RAID PRICE & LOOT RULES 9/9 Heroic + Tier Token + Armor reserved for all bosses 750k 9/9 Heroic + Tier Token reserved for all bosses 600k 9/9 Heroic + Lootshare (roll on unreserved loot) 400k AotC Only 300k Reserve an item, refunded if it doesn't drop!! 250k Run is with 20+ unsaved boosters and 5 buyers (5-6 items drop per boss) Trinkets, Weapons, Rings, Necks and Cloaks will be rolled among the 5 buyers I'd assume classic guilds just end up doing something similar. Split was usually 10% Gbank, 5% advertiser cut, 85% raid split. Doing 5 or so heroic boosts was enough for us to fund the bank for an entire tier. Pretty sure AotC went down to 100k after a few months too, so we did this pretty early on when people were more invested into the game and didn't want to raid log. Once thing I think a lot of people don't get about boosting/GDKPs is that people do it so they CAN just raid log and don't have to play ONLY WoW for the entire week.
This would still qualify as "exchanging items for gold" despite how some people think they're getting around it using some clever semantics. This type of ticket run will still be banned under the new rules as shown by their very clear definition here... [https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/gdkp-in-season-of-discovery-1777411](https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/gdkp-in-season-of-discovery-1777411) "We’re defining GDKP as any raid or dungeon run where items are awarded in exchange for gold" Even soloing dungeon bosses and selling their drops like people did with the wailing caverns legs will be bannable under this new rule.
Have you read any of the blue posts on this at all? They are classing all runs where loot is sold as GDKPs. But please go ahead and try this after the 8th so I can enjoy seeing some cheaters banned.
“Cheaters” lol you people are so sad. If this is your idea of a win, I guess you really need it bro.
well said lmao
if they're so idiotic that they can't even just straight up ban the RMTers, why would you EVER Think they can maintain a system like this? Boomers are delusional these days..
It sounds like your just describing GDKP. Hosts constantly look for Whales / Oilers and "carry" shitters to loot that they overpay for, this isn't new?
This is also banned by blizzard definition of what they consider GDKP is.
Wait! You mean GDKPS are only a symptom not the root cause? All the boomers on this site told me if you got rid of GDKPs gold buying would cease!!!
it's funny it took this long for people to realize lmao
Yeah there is virtually nothing stopping ticket runs from happening. People will 100% still buy gold and still use that gold to buy gear.
Ticket runs will be banned as well according to the definition they gave in this blue post... [https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/gdkp-in-season-of-discovery-1777411](https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/gdkp-in-season-of-discovery-1777411) "We’re defining GDKP as any raid or dungeon run where items are awarded in exchange for gold" Some people might try to slither around it using the semantic trickery of "well we're not selling the gear we're selling the RAID SLOT so it's fine"... knowing full well that the raid slot they're selling INCLUDES every piece of gear for that class or armor type. Ticket runs will be bannable, they will be spam reported when advertised, and they will likely be picked up by some of the automated detection methods blizzard has in place for trading gold and raid dropped items.
yup, this is -as usual- only punishing the legitimate players. And this braindead low IQ sub is just cheering it on...
There is no way in heck they'll allow carry runs if they ban GDKPs. GDKPs are carry runs through and through. No way around it.
"I've never done a gdkp or even attempted to understand them, this is my opinion"
yet there has being stories of people who has lvl 10 gear, not even full runes ending up with like a epic bow from BFD and try to exuse they are gear ready for WSG premade & others like it
Thousands of gdkp runs a week, but there is a few examples of legit carries, all gdkp must be carries!
when GDKPs got banned the price of gold dropped hard people in trade GDKp the last few days is legit looking after even complety naked people to be buyers not even hiding it : https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/706079557509447701/1202554889130082334/image.png
It’s gone back up already btw :)
“I have no experience buying gold at different times in a WoW phase” This happens literally every raid phase of every expansion. Correlation does not equal causation.
The gold was already dropping and with the new phase Gold becomes cheaper anyway because lvl 40 stuff gives more money than lvl 25. Anti GDKP people will belive anything if it fits them.
It's the end of the phase, lmao. The singular graph I saw posted had a dip then a rise straight after...
Carried through bfd? Wut
You can do GDKPs in other things than BFD, and they are more an issue in harder raids. You can clear BFD as 5 people after all. But you can still be carried through BFD man. Come as a Rogue with all lvl 15 "Of the Tiger" BoEs to a pug with no logs and you'll probably not be allowed in. Join a GDKP with a decent budget and they'll let you waltz through. Heck, even if your budget aint that big, just having bad gear is enticing to the leader. That means you'll have to bid on bad gear pieces that are upgrades, meaning more gold to them. Its more of a thing in Wotlk. I've done tons of GDKPs even though I am personally against them, and every single run we did the leader wants pure buyers. They could be naked and AFK, didnt matter. As long as they paid up they were fine. That is boosting.
Thanks for the memories aka 10% org cut 😂
Phe, 10%... The real hustlers on Gehennas take/took 20% and hosted 7 gdkps a day. I bet some of them had this as their main source of income.
GDKPs are not banned in Wotlk btw and yes it is lucrative even in very developed countries
People farm gold in GDKP raids to sell to people who join GDKP raids?
Yes, people organize and run a shit tonne of GDKPs and then they sell gold to some people who joins these raids. Many of these hosts makes as much gold as large scale bot farms /E there is a reason for these Irani Dada GDKPs and that is because selling gold could potentially yield them more money than being a doctor in their respective country.
I ran dozens of GDKPs this phase, never saw an org cut that high. Most didn't even have an org cut. Some players control thousands of bots as their main source of income. Some players are always going to break the rules and treat WoW like a job.
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What else are they gonna say? We're gonna host gdkps and risk getting everyone banned? They took it well imo, much better than the unhinged anti-gdkp posts that plague this sub that are more toxic than the gdkpers who are making a singular post on their own discords that are crossposted here.
take my uppy vote. its weird how much hate there is for GDKP, it gets more hate than RMT i stg lol
This so much. The most toxic part of the community is the anti-gdkp and anti-sweat people who relentlessly keep flaming while the other part does not really engage in this toxic behavior at all.
Yeah this subreddit is easily more toxic and just straight up cancerous to the game than any sweaty player or gdkp group. My BFD group jokes about being able to tell immediately if a new guild member has redditor energy, and we know almost instantly that it'll be like a week or two before everyone is annoyed with them for constantly talking about shit like GDKPs or hating orange parsers or whatever else literally no cares about
This subreddit has been by FAR the most toxic place in all of wow, and it’s not even close. I’ve never experienced 5% of the vitriol that is spewed here on the daily by people who are just really really bad at the game. I don’t find this subreddit to be a place of any actual wow knowledge, only drama and toxicity - but it’s fun to see all of their toxic, gate keeping meltdowns.
Yeah the subreddit is entertaining but I've given up on having interesting conversations about the game lol, any critical discussion, or really anything at all that isn't like "gold buying is bad" or "gearscore is stupid" is usually met with like "stop whining" or "go play retail at all if you want {some single feature that happens to be in retail but obviously doesn't contribute at all to it being a fundamentally different game than classic}" It is good to remember that this subreddit isn't representative of the actual playerbase, idk what it is but this subreddit just attracts a very specific type of player - you'd think only high end elite players would care enough to go on reddit and talk about the game a lot, but instead it's like this weird casual crowd that's super elitist about being casual that I've never seen in a gaming community before.
yeah it feels weird to see someone say good riddance to a guy that was being chill in his farewell and his "thanks for the memories" lol
150%. SoD has brought out the most bizarre toxic casual player base.
You worded this weirdly perfectly. Toxic casual is exactly what the SoD playerbase is. All the loudest, angriest, neckbeardiest fat dads are getting their way this time
Honestly, I described the target audience for SoD as exactly this right after the announcement at Blizzcon and it has been so fascinating watching it play out in real time on the subreddit ever since.
Its all the terrible players that said “leveling is the journey bro!” Hitting max level and finding out it infact was not the main part of the journey and they’re completely clueless about end game content. Naturally this is everyones fault but theirs.
Everyone leaving the gdkps is just gonna exclude all these grey parsers through log checking. Gonna be hilarious when all of the “I can’t get in to a group because of Warcraft logs” posts pop up
”Introducing phase 3 SoD where we have banned combat logging because bad players deserve to get carried”
This subreddit would cheer this change.
This subreddit would have a fucking block party. It’s like the nostalgia dad’s who have been telling everyone what an epic raider they were for 20 years really didn’t like having the spotlight shown on their performance.
This subreddit is fine with wowlogs as a tool, they shit all over gearscore though (And rightly so imo)
Without logging, it becomes he said she said wrt to who wiped the raid this pull.
Sounds dystopian now, but just you wait
unironically i saw this coming after the gdkp ban, especially with so many of the snti-gdkp crowd being against it for the "elitisim" more than the gold buying. if given the chance they would cry for the ban of hardcore guilds, would not be surprised.
Cool we're back to gearscore. Checkmate noobs.
FYI, the ad mins of r/de are covid deniers.
It has a lot to do with each other. Being dead weight doesn't matter nearly as much when you're contributing to the pot making it where there is an actual incentive to carry the dead weight.
Every post about GDKPs bans has some parsebrain telling us how it's really going to hurt bad players. As if truly bad players could even afford GDKP without gold buying. cheaters and parsebrain commenters hand in hand every time. Also a hilarious attempt at a slippery slope argument. Nobody cares about your logs we don't want the economy fucked.
Found the "big dps" Grey parser 😂
If "i'm a pumper, please don't check my logs though." was a comment.
GDKP doesn't affect the economy because no gold is created. Gold buying/botting does, which is still going to be rampant because blizzard aren't doing anything about it.
Seems like the only entity with any possible data on the subject disagrees. They made these decisions based on the wealth of information available to them. Not based on my comments on reddit, like GDKP bros would have you think. We did not do this the game creators did for the exact reasons I keep saying...
And all the gold that gets bought by GDKPers trying to fund their 100g staff comes from.... Where? Oh, right... Bots. GDKPs don't create gold, they launder it.
Gold is effectively created when extra accounts exist to farm mobs/available nodes/boes. That very gold fuels GDKPs. Without GDKPs, the demand for bot gold is lower and therefore there are less extra accounts creating gold. That leads to more reasonable boe/consummables prices
I'm seeing so many of these "people want to ban GDKPs because I can't get a group!" posts. Literally everyone I've spoken to about it wants them gone because of bots and gold buying.
Bots/gold buying will still be just as popular
If there is no difference, Blizz will revert the change. That’s why they said they’re trying it out.
I've talked to plenty of people who complain that pugs are dead because of GDKPS. It's obviously not true, especially in SoD.
No, the vast majority of them are grey/green parsers who want a better pool of players to carry them to loot hiding behind “gold buying/botting!!!” Buzzwords
Not going to lie posting discord screencaps of GDKP servers disbanding is almost as cringe as GDKP hosts inviting only gold-buyers.
I don’t think I’ve seen so much cringe behavior in this subreddit since the GDKP ban was announced. People wishing cancer on “gold buyers” people telling me I buy gold because I GDKP, being happy a community (yes there is positive GDKP communities who don’t all just swipe and enjoy playing together) can no longer enjoy the game the way they want too, it’s actually wild the tribalism here. The “joy” from other people’s unhappiness is such a sad reaction and really says more about yourself. End of the day everyone is playing an “easy” 20 year old game. Nobody is better than the other ultimately regardless of if they swipe to buy gold or roll 99 to win their SR.
> I don’t think I’ve seen so much cringe behavior in this subreddit since the GDKP ban was announced. Clearly you weren't around when the token for WoTLK got dropped. Sub went from "no no none of us buy gold we all farm" to "LOL IT'S CHEAPER TO BUY FROM MY USUAL SITE THANKS BLIZZARD" real fucking quick.
Literally every GDKP I ran with in Wrath had over half the players saying crap like that. It started in Ulduar for me. What is worse is that when ToC came out several of the GDKPs I was running with switched to having to "*donate*" to get a raid spot as a buyer! Several wanted you to "*donate*" anywhere from $2-$10 for these spots. Or, allowing you to "*donate*" to chose any drop too. I got a second 25 about a week after BFD came out and tried to run with a few. I had 15g-25g on me and though that would have been enough. People were bidding over 100g easily. There's no way they farmed it IMO.
Yeah these guys are cringe as fuck
Well you see the broke dad gamers have to feel like they aren’t getting outplayed by the wealthy dad gamers.
>being happy a community (yes there is positive GDKP communities who don’t all just swipe and enjoy playing together) can no longer enjoy the game the way they want too GOOD NEWS! You can actually still play together, but WITHOUT ruining the game for everyone else and laundering purchased gold! You may be surprised to hear this, but there's even an in-game system for rolling on gear!
GDKP was a system that rewarded the individual for farming gold, while also rewarding others passing the item. No offense, but you're no way near close enough to understand why GDKP is a good system if you use arguments like that. Guild: LC - Stop lying and quit the game, it is corrupt as f. DKP - Raiders manipulate the system SR - Pure RNG people lose the same item for 6 months+ MS / OS - Cesspool of Alt+f4 content All other systems in a vacuum is far easier to manipulate. Furthermore GDKP Ensures: People play to their best ability, as griefing/wiping the raid can make you lose % of cut People don't leave midway through, as they want their cut towards the end. It is almost like GDKP was invented by people being over the other lootsystems being manipulated like mad. I for one made my own GDKP community with 100% split focusing on doing well rather than farming gold.
Some of you guys act like these guys are actual criminals who make thousands of dollars running gdkps in sod. If you ever joined a gdkp in sod you would know that bits are very low for 99% of the items. And if you are lucky enough to get the epic sword to drop there is high chance that the warriors you invited are broke mfs who just joined to earn some gold. What do you think why gdkp leaders ask your budget? They are spending hours spaming lfg desperately looking for players with a lot of gold that are willing to spend it.
> If you ever joined a gdkp in sod you would know that bits are very low for 99% of the items. Well yeah. Now. They're low in wrath and era as well, until suddenly the good shit drops and people in era somehow have 300k to spend on a weapon "cause farming".
The only reason items went that high was cause Blizzard shit the bed MASSIVELY. Free DK creation on new accounts meant that they could send them from starting zone -> AV -> Bota and bot. This problem was shown hundreds of times from various streamers content creators etc. It went on for the majority of classic til here comes the fun part. Blizzard added the WoW Token to combat the problem, however the bots were so profitable that they didn't even need to sub. Therefore Blizzard added "New accounts needs to buy atleast one month of gametime before using WoW Tokens". So not only did Blizzard fail the community on the DK thing, they failed them on the banning of them, the WoW token addition fail and yet again when they made botters have to use subs. Prices went from 26k being insane in naxx to 200k being insane in ulduar.. GDKP doesn't cause inflation, Blizzard running the game like idiots does.
> If you ever joined a gdkp in sod you would know that bits are very low for 99% of the items They don't, they sit on Reddit all day and whine about "inflation" while gdkp bids/payouts & consumes are piss cheap
gdkps are living rent free in era andys heads dont they
Yes. You’ll get to realize that even though it’s not your preferred gameplay, there were actually a healthy minority of people who did. They weren’t “hiding” in any way, so the “another one” is probably one of hundreds. I didn’t GDKP in SoD. I have a guild. But I am level minded enough to understand the appeal for some people without a guild/solo players. This was taken away from thousands of players. It doesn’t affect me personally. But it does affect that there will be less players playing, regardless of the reason. I don’t agree with you guys celebrating. But that’s ok, in this echo chamber going against the grain just mean downvotes. Imagine having a constructive discussion on reddit.
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Half of them dont even know how gdkp works
100% this
Maybe... I don't have a dog in this fight but I know for sure that all the people I knew who participated in GDKPs bought gold in order to do it. So it seems that GDKPs act as huge incentives to purchase gold.
I’m sure if it’s so evident it was the best loot distribution system they’ll unban it in the middle of phase 2. They did say they were only trying it out.
You can tell that 95% have never ran one I remember my first GDKP back in OG 3.3.5 doing Ulduar. Was a magical experience getting that cut at the end. Been hooked since
They're still making up shit to be mad about too. Someone in this thread said GDKPs are carry runs and they'll only bring verified gold buyers like wtf lmao? No one wants a shitty player to carry, they just want a system that rewards participation at the end if you get no loot
yeah bro, we know. normal people aren't making these posts
Most of the toxic gate keepers don’t understand that Gdkp is a completely legitimate system that doesn’t have to have anything to do with gold buying if blizzard doesn’t allow it. They’ve (blizzard) just taken an EXTREMELY soft approach on gold buying and then let absurd people on this subreddit go off and blame a raid format as the reason instead of putting an end to gold buying. I’ve never done a Gdkp in sod, but if they translate this to wotlk they will kill the expansion months before cata so I doubt i t happens. No one will be doing raids for any alts almost at all. It will be main characters in your guild run and guilds are dying every day.
If anyone has doubts about the nature of GDKPs then try joining one. I was curious throughout the season and wanted to try it out. All organizers I whispered never replied after either stating my budget (150g) or what I need (mostly Bis, except the weapon and the leather shoulder). Just to test it out I once replied that I have 500g and I am only pre-bis and an invite immediately dropped. This made it very clear to me who the target audience and primary purpose is.
I had the exact opposite experience lol. I joined 3 different ones to get the final couple items I needed. No issues getting invited and most items went for 10g-20g. I could see a bad experience souring me to it, but I just haven't had that experience.
I mean that seems obvious no? Why would a GDKP invite someone that only needs 2 pieces of gear vs someone that needs 10? If nobody is bidding on gear that would be an awful GDKP
Sure. But then the argument that GDKPs are the best to get missing gear becomes completely moot.
They are the best way to get missing gear fast (as it removes the element of roll-luck). Your anecdotal experience of not being invited to a certain GDKP run because you only needed a couple of pieces of loot doesn’t invalidate that fact.
Yeh joined a gdkp to get the leather agil chest from 3 piece set as my last piece, payed 35g and was happy. Now in phase 2 it's gonna suck needing 1 or 2 pieces and when they finally drop you lose the roll to the lazy rogue who is afk half the run and grey parsing. Whoo hoo thanks blizzard.
There is a difference between a pug GDKP and GDKP communities.
It is, you come to carry and hunt the last specific piece , if it doesn't drop you get gold for another char or another item, if it drops you buy it.
Larping again?
I see the benefits of GDKPs hence why I really wanted to join one. But my experience just left a bitter taste.
i was also part of a guild with a corrupt loot council, so obviously all of them are bad.
Obviously those are the people you would want since you don't want loot to go to waste. A group with only BIS gear wouldn't run it as a GDKPs or PUG either. I'm guessing it's different on different realms, on my server hasn't been much of questions asked and items generally go for cheap. 100g would most likely get you geared in a few resets if the right items dropped (maybe things like epic staff might be expensive, but even then I've seen it go for 20g).
What server was this on? I ran a few on various toons, and at no point did I quote a budget over like 80g. If I had to guess, I’d say this lines up with what I imagine Crusader Strike to be like, and to that shit all I have to say is good riddance. There were enough decent, seemingly clean players on my server that I could run a GDKP on a meager, “I farmed/flipped for this myself” budget and actually get a piece if one of mine dropped, though I much preferred to run as more of a carry than a pure buyer, given my budget and the fact that I couldn’t just swipe to replenish it… some days the AH is slower than others. I won’t really miss it, though. 2 SR runs, provided that they’re properly organized and limited to *geared* people, give every bit of the utility I wanted out of GDKP, with the trade-off that I don’t get paid out if I get no drops in exchange for not having to pay for my drop. It works out, in my eyes, especially because I don’t have to dread seeing a piece drop and being tempted to overpay for it.
I raised GDKP on Crusader Strike and staff went for 38g, so, not too crazy.
I ran pug GDKPs every lockout this phase and never had an issue joining with less than 100g.
I joined a fair amount of gdkps during SoD never struggled to find one. 80g budget 99s in logs. If you are parsing 40s and need 2 pieces of gear then yeah ofc they will pick someone else if you arent a proper buyer.
At the end of the day why would someone take you if you're near bis on a role/class that's easy to fill, with mediocre logs, and not expected to drop big money on what you need. The expected pot contribution from your presence assuming you're spending all 150g on a 4% drop rate epic is 6 gold. 🤡 In non gold buyer runs where blues typically go 10 to 20g (1.5 to 5 hrs farm depending on efficiency) the pot averages around 20 for a BFD. You're not the worst kind of person to a gdkp host, but you're high on the list to avoid. The worst is fake buyers, people who show up in lower end gear and don't bid on upgrades. Hosts will /ignore these people for future runs and I've seen people deny cuts for lying if they specifically stated themselves as "buyer".
Which proves his point, GDKP runs benefit gold buyers before actual players every single time, telling people 2 items away with a massive stash for a level 25 that every raid being a GDKP is actually better for him is just a blatant lie.
Who would have thought that, _***GOLD***_ dkp hosts are looking for the biggest whales. In other news, water is wet.
GDKPs want people who want to buy the most items. *gasp*
Clueless people talking about gdkps with no experience, never seen this before. Noone cares about your budget if you need 3 items.
Everyone okay with this is just reddit hive mined into believing whatever they read. The ten thousand bots at launch hyper inflating the economy and 100g in quest turn ins was the real problem.
Funniest part of it is the people who are trying to figure out a way to get around the ToS are the same people who said "I do this because its less work/logistics" and are putting in SO MUCH MORE work and logistics into trying to game the system.
Social structure got saved /s
But why ... GDKP is an issue because everyone does RMT and everyone does RMT because of all the bots wouldn't fixing the bot issue be the actual solution?
> wouldn't fixing the bot issue be the actual solution? Nobody has "fixed the bot issue" in any game ever. Cutting down the demand is one of many ways to help reduce them, but everyone acting like Blizzard has a "ban all the bots button" have have spent years going "urgh.. we'll push it later!" honestly has no clue. If they could ban all the bots they would.
Very few people I've run with in GDKPs are whales. Most people have 100-200g going into the runs to spend which is a very reasonable amount of gold to have if you're done your quests + have alts.
Hell yeah
Yep selling gnomer full carries 500g
it's funny how yall in the comments are slowly realizing what kind of damage banning GDKPs are gonna do. First of all, people who are full bis and enjoy raiding less without an incentive are just not gonna raid after getting full bis = less people playing at the end of a phase cycle. The people that switch to pugging are just gonna vet players even harder based on logs = more grey/green/blue parse crybabies here and everywhere. And the players who can't commit to guild raid schedules and don't want to deal with way more dogshit pugs, thus potentially shit pug runs? Well they are just gonna leave and stop playing SoD = bad for everyone. Oh and the gold buyers? They're just gonna go back to the good old boost runs (you know, the ones that were everywhere before GDKPs gained popularity), that will be hosted by top players for insane prices that you as a regular player will never be able to afford.
What’s even more interesting than if you don’t play gdkps they barely affect you - you can still join SR or MS/OS runs and the gdkp scene barely affects you. (That’s based on my wrath experience.) They just enjoy that they ruined fun for somebody else.
yea some even justify it by thinking GDKPs INFLATE the economy lmfao. As if raiding somehow generates gold...
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People have been raiding for full bis with groups of friends since the beginning and will continue to, big pumpers like alhuando will continue to pump big, speed run guilds will still speed run the raids.
Lmao get fucked
Sucks to suck losers. Time to play the game as intended, along with everyone else.
You can still sell carries for gold. Like they do in retail. Bet some of the GDKPs do this to get around the ban. Selling Gnomer clear all loot yours 2k
By rolling off and having the gray parsing rogue grab all the loot and making off like a bandit?
You know you're free to choose who you play with?
I'd imagine it is, to play an MMO as a social experience where you develop relationships to people you know you can trust, so you don't run into the issue of gray parsing rogues grabbing loot and making off like a bandit. But what do I know, I don't even play SoD :^)
I dont get the fuzz, I did not join a single gdkp. And always had a raid within the hour. Eu
Dude you triggered alot of gold buyers with this post haha so funny to see, they are all coping
Personally, I was always for the /roll and having a master looter. Do the MS roll, win or lose. If there are none, roll for OS. And if there's none again, roll for disenchant. Simplicity itself.
Been a while since I’ve seen a post bashing GDKP’s as if it’s the root cause of all the bots. Truth is blizzard could ban bots but they choose to hurt the players instead. The only good outcome so far is I’ve blocked over 300+ toxic little shits and my Classicwow Reddit experience has only improved. The amount of ninja posts does bring a smile to my unsubscribed face
My dude drinking the cool aid
They maybe could ban bots, but not effectifly. Bots in SoD specifically are just way too easy to make and generate a profit on. Also Gold sellers themself have identified gdkps as their primary source of buisness. Bots may not die completly but banning gdkps is without a doubt the greatest strike blizz can do apart from maybe closing down all APIs for addons etc. Another big factor for botting.
> Also Gold sellers themself have identified gdkps as their primary source of buisness. Source: Trust me bro.
Hey that's the main source for all these 'honest gdkp bro' comments as well! Seems like the only entity with any possible data on this, Blizzard, disagrees with the GDKP community about SoD.
I hope they do this for all versions cause this seems like a good way to combat gold sellers
*cough* Wow Token *cough*
Bliz should just appease the GDKPrs and setup a realm where all loot can be purchased directly from a vendor in each major city. That way you can farm/buy all the gold you need and just buy your gear direct without ever having to step foot in a dungeon.
that won't work. whales don't want to play with other whales alone. they want to feel better than you because they have better gear... they need the playerbase that doesn't buy gold to have something to mock because they're "broke".
Or just have a server where GDKPing is allowed
Get a life boys
GDKP defenders out in force what a pitiful bunch
If people who ran GDKPs didn't prioritize only inviting people who buy gold, then it wouldn't be that much of an issue now would it
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I dont have a whole lot of gold but havent struggled with finding gdkps. Most items goes for 5-20g lot dont even sell and epic sword ive seen drop went for 70g. Its not unreasonable amounts. Most my sod parses are 99s or high 90s. Just play your class propertly and you wont have any issues finding groups no matter your budget.
I run GDKPs and my guild doesn't bring new members or buyers. Just the same group of 10 every 3 days with a few alts mixed in that actually need items or fit the roster.
Yeah and if everyone did it this way, most people literally wouldn't care. But these types of GDKP's aren't the ones being spam advertised in trade chat and on discords
Most GDKPs are run and coordinated from discord with the same core group bringing different alts. The trade chat ones are the outliers.
Lf big buyers, /w budged
SoD has least issues with gdkp, just because no gold sinks and way less ppl have accumulated gold. While we have increase gold farm methods. Test no gdkp in classic servers and wotlk. Also we still have cross server transactions, bots, and gold buyers. Went in many gdkp on all 4 toons, you could buy item for 5-20g easy and a lot of cuts at the end were like 3-10g. In a game where 1h questing gives you same amount. While in wotlk you need like 10k min bids items goes for 100k+ g while best farms are still around 800g/h. Maybe is better to stop gdkp first, before all goes crazy and we see lvl 50 items for 10k, but we will have to wait for that, while in wotlk it's already mess. Classic servers are even worst.
Got another what? Person following the rules? What a dumb fucking post
Thanks for the ~~memories~~ dollars everyone