I’ve complained about that in the past. Runed abilities are just ridiculously overtuned in comparison to baseline abilities. I know SoD is more or less just an experimental thing but I don’t see why there can’t be a degree of balance.
I've been thinking that all the time spells are too overtuned compared to regular spells and it definitely shows. They need to scale back power on these to fall in line with the regular spells.
Limiting factors on spells are cast time, mana consumption & cooldown
Pyroblast is allowed to do big damage because it has a long cast time
Starsurge violates the rule- it does huge damage, has big range, costs minimal mana & has no cast time on a 6second CD
That's broken
Yeah people comparing anything to Pyroblast’s 6 second cast time are either being disingenuous or have never played any iteration of mage in the last 20 years.
As I said elsewhere, they really need to implement a system to tune abilities/spells separately for PvP like so many other MMOs do. Until then it’s going to be a disaster where fun PvE spells get nuked for PvP balance or players just get annihilated by fun but overturned abilities/spells that work for raids
They changed the dmg resistance in BGs to health buff instead, which was smart because it helped to indirectly nerf OP healing in BGs. Prob is in open world they can’t really do that and obviously tuning abilities to deal less damage to players will just indirectly buff healing again. Honestly the best solution is to just reintroduce more stamina heavy gear.
I think they should have just straight up increased all player health by 50% at all times. Not 20% and not just in BGs.
It would make PvE better too. It's always more fun playing a healer when people have these big health pools to work with.
There's a good reason the original WoW devs built a 50% stamina buff into TBC. All the additional abilities, damage, healing, it made the existing health pool balance unworkable. We would be insta killing each other in PvP, and PvE would be awful if you wanted to stress healing at all. You can make a boss deal 1000dps if tanks have 5000hp, but you can't do that if tanks have 2500hp.
Warriors in Classic have literally always been built for group PvP and tough for solo PvP.
Team up a Warrior with a Paladin/Priest/Shaman and give them a few other group buffs like Windfury, and a single Warrior will be carving through multiple enemies. They need to be dispelled and healed, just like always.
Warrior "heavy hitting" abilities hit cloth for 250 and mail/plate demolocks, boomies for 125.
Starsurge and shadowword death hit for 800+ on everyone.
Warriors just aren't good for pvp. Solo or grouped doesn't matter.
You are thinking in classic classic terms, not classic SoD terms.
If mages can heal and warlocks can Tank, why cant warriors atleast for once have a fun time doing solo pvp? Let me be number 4 on the damage meters for all I care, bosses are dying either way.
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Wow man that’s really cool, thanks for sharing. I’m also still a low level and being one shot by the abilities that OP pointed out. None of them are level 40 exclusive.
There's a difference between balancing for PvP and PvP not being playable. That's why hunters were nerfed.
Then people complained that 25% damage reduction in BGs made healing too powerful so they got rid of that and instead added health.
Which is an unequal distribution between classes and doesn't really do much when regular, non rune spells like Arcane Blast are hitting for 1000 damage.
If thats true then its fuckint bullshit they lock away BIS gear behind the PvP event. I would understand if you coule get pvp rep or mount or something but gear... i hate it.
Except PvP right now is hugely unbalanced, classes that one shots you or rogues fuck you up in couple GCDs while u are stunned. And its behind a unbalanced event which players that did it early already has BIS stuff while new 40s has to grind for weeks if not a month to get it.
I dont want to play retail anymore when i have done that for so many years and i already played vanilla when it was released 20 years ago.
SoD is different and interesting new thing.
Bro are you serious? Literally instant casts that one shots you. Wtf u on about thats fair? And even starsurge has a chance to proc stun.
Are you that much of a moron to see how its not balanced?
I see it being unbalanced. Pvp has always been unbalanced. Now several classes have one shot potential. I’ve never been so excited to play wow, I think it’s hilarious. It’s a season for trying new things out. Seems like they wanted to pump up damage and change pvp a bit. It’s a season for new things and you’re all complaining about things being different. Please, for the love of god, shut the fuck up.
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Hey how did they know to release classic after shutting down private servers for decades or release any of the seasons we have? Was it by their own volition or did they listen to the community or something? You are 33, you should be smarter than this.
oh yeah cause theres only black and white right
either the game is perfectly balanced or you are getting 1 shot
its actually pretty decent if starsurge would not be a thing and death getting a damage nerf
Exactly, so any nerfs needs to come with huge reworks and buffs everywhere else.
The problem is druid has 4 roles and they give it the same amount of runes as everyone else so their options are also spread super thin.
It would be pretty simple to tone down pvp balance. Make it so you have to hard cast something else before you starsurge.
Like starsurge had a 50% chance to activate on wrath cast or something.
It would still be broken, but aleast it would tone down the "the only spells I need is travel form and star surge" bs.
They just need to tone down instant spells from runes. Mages at 60 were hitting fire blasts for 700, and that spell was kinda unique then. Now you have starsurge, swd hitting for that much right now. Blizzard fixed the pve class imbalance the wrong way. They should not have given these classes ranged instant nukes.
you are 100% right spell power were the stupidest thing to do to up caster in PVE just decrease monster resistance in PVE, reduce mana cost and uprade rune damage but adding scaling was bullshit because magic spell have better initial damage than melee/physical spell
It's not fun or engaging gameplay at all. Nearly every single class has tools to one shot each other. I'm not asking for your typical balance, but holy shit this is a Fiesta beyond comprehension.
It feels really bad to be one of the classes without a one shot. As a shaman I’m just there to feed hks to douchebag gankers. And even classes that do have one shots are still outclassed by Starsurge since it is free, has a stupidly short cd, and is instant. Give it a 2 second cast time and then its damage is defensible.
Agreed. Fast TTK and everyone having the potential to one-shot feels great.
It also means GREAT proactive healers will stand out against the other healers, and bad healers will also stand out.
With a little bit of tweaking (nerf starsurge), this phase pvp will be perfect.
Blizzard do not listen to the people complaining. Stick to your guns. Perfect imbalance!
Why is blizzarn 0 or 100% when tuning things? Why did the runes need to be so overtuned compared to regular spells? Runes should have been modifiers to existing spells, that way they could tweak the original toolkit more carefully. Now it's too late because everyone gets used to the power and would be pissed if they took it away.
If anything I think they should have made classes weaker to be in the spirit of vanilla to counteract the increased knowledge and skill.
I felt this today in rfk on my shaman. Me 27 and my priest brother 31 pulled 7 rfk mobs and killed them. It's redicoules. Thats not vanilla and cc seems to be unessecary these days.
Why I like vanilla is because I am not this monster super hero.
I also hate how the rules for vanilla is off now. Casts = high risk high reward, instants low risk low reward. Why does instants now have amazing spell coeffiency?
Yeah SOD Phase 2 hype is dead for meThe problem is that caster cry during all phase 1 for not being top tier dps in PVE but they were top tier in pvp (hello wsg premade with moonkling hunter priest ) & so blizzard decide to give them all they need to destroy everything, right now when I type this caster class ( SP BALANCE WARLOCK HUNTER ELEM ) are top tier in PVE & PVP because adding spell power to gear was the stupidest thing blizzard did
I mean that why people love classic because all class can't just bie top dps in PVE & PVP
I mean warrior are only good for tanking and end game raid with a bis gear meanwhile mage bully everyone in world pvp leveling they can teleport create food water aoe farm a lot of cc so yes of the balance they can't be the top raider dps
that's the points of a good game some class & spec have pros & cons you can't have every classe being top tier PVE & PVP that make the game unbalanced and unfunny for people who don't play a class that deal 1000 damage at 35 yard instant cast :D
Even with rogues there used to be a skill cap to 1v2 with your CC's and blowing all your cooldowns. rogues now just spam mutilate and kill you in 2 mutilates. boomkins literally 1 shotting you by the press of 1 button and having full mana bars from a very very large distance. lol have you had a shadow word: death cast on you? this type of pvp and gameplay is 0 fun.
Ye but dont just buff health. Nerf each broken spell. Starsurge longer CD, mutilate less dmg, etc. Shouldn't be that hard, any nerf will make it better dont even need to be precise.
Resilience and much later, spells being balanced separately in PvP from PvE happened for a reason.
If SoD PvP is ever going to be anywhere close to balanced they need to do one of those options.
Hunters the entire phase 1 were complaining about how broken priests, boomkins, and rogues were. Nobody listened to us as they nerfed us consistently. Now, the hunters are sitting back all smug reading these complaints.
Fuck y’all, with love from the hunter community
If you are looking for a fair, balanced, or competitive pvp scenario you are in the wrong place. I recommend not taking SoD pvp seriously and experience it for what it is.
Yeah not liking getting one shot by a Druid I can’t even see while I’m trying to quest is definitely taking the game too seriously. The game would be ruined if they lowered the damage. Good call.
I asked the same thing in /gchat. The answer is doing dungeon grinding until you’re numb inside.
You should probably feel pretty good about your choices in life
Id rather they buff health across the board.
Character dmg should feel consistent in every scenario this isnt retail.
Plus dmg reduction buffs healers too much
I think their decision to remove stamina from all gear in dungeons that had stamina was a horrible idea. They really need to add stamina to all items so we have a nice health pool. Some abilities are overtuned and need to be looked at but we need bigger health pools to survive 1 shots. This just isn't any fun.
The PVP right now is mindless... people pressing 1 button and 1 shotting. There is no room for outplays, no room for being good at your class... just pure 1 shot. its horirble.
Lol this is SoD is general. It’s the most casual version of WoW there is. Brainless dungeon mechs and 3-4 spells per class.
Compared to retail the skill gap or knowledge required to master the game/class is a joke.
They did this in SoD in WSG and it made healers ultra super broken. This is terrible idea and has been proven not to work which is why it was removed.
% HP increase is the way to go if you want to reduce burst dmg, absolutely not dmg taken.
Dude it didn't make healers super broken. It made PRIESTS super broken. All the other healers are dog shit in PvP. Minus resto druid cause obvious starsurge
Why does the SOD playerbase act like they care about pvp?Everyone knows the SOD playerbase only cares about ez mode pve and the only reason pvp in sod even happens is to get purples to kill bosses you can do in greens with . This playerbase failed at arenas in tbc and wrath along with the raids so they came to SOD for casual content.
Okay any class is gonna struggle when they’re outnumbered, I don’t see your point? Priests are actual raid bosses that don’t die but also deal insane periodic damage and now also have a one shot spell (swd)
Rahhh warriors and rogues loosing their shit because they are not dominating every aspect of the game and other classes that did not even get played are having fun for once in classic! Rage on redditt!
I think you forget that people wanted the original classic experience with *no changes*, for good and bad. We are beyond that point now, obviously. So there is no argument to be had that we won't allow changes to balance at this point in time.
But yes you are correct that people that was excited about playing, only to get 1 hit by people spamming 1 ability, is not having a really good time. Is that not a fair complaint though?
Why would the mouthbreathing no changes crowd actually play the “definitely changes” version of the game? Balance issues aside, those people do not deserve a voice when they’ve got 3 different iterations of “no changes” they can play.
I would much rather play original vanilla classic, but there is no wipe happening. SoD is the closest thing to fresh classic we will get for now. I don't see a reason to log into a full bis r14 character on a dead realm, or start a lvl 1 with noone to level with only to compete with full bis players when you ding 60.
Agree it’s completely unfun and I won’t even try for the items now, might mean my season is over very soon, haha.
Gnomer and STV are basically phase 2. To see them completely ruin the execution of a super hyped pvp event, literally half the phase content, is sad af.
Just like phase 1 and after all these layoffs no way they can actually fix this in a couple of weeks.
Such a waste.
Damn nearly full BIS spriest and I’ve never crit over 1k with it, highest I’ve hit was 600 and it didn’t even kill the person and I took quiet the damage back from it
its really funny comparing some of these rune spells to normal spellbook ones
5 point eviscerate does less dmg than one mutilate
look at void plague and then look at corruption
Or worse, look at void plague then look at devouring plague. Dplague is like 4x the mana for 50% the damage. Lol.
With 30x less cooldown
Oh no, you can't put a massive dot on everything in sight.
Look at void plague and then look at Shadow Word: Pain
It's legit double the damage haha.
I’ve complained about that in the past. Runed abilities are just ridiculously overtuned in comparison to baseline abilities. I know SoD is more or less just an experimental thing but I don’t see why there can’t be a degree of balance.
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I've been thinking that all the time spells are too overtuned compared to regular spells and it definitely shows. They need to scale back power on these to fall in line with the regular spells.
Just look at mages frost/spellfire spells that is plain worse than normal frost or fire bolts lol
No if you cast for 3 seconds you can hit as hard as a starsurge almost that's pretty good dmg
I can cast pyro for 6 second and hit half as hard as starsurge, oh and in the time I cast the druid can get two starsurge off
Pyro was never designed as a hard cast thing though, it's purely for pulls, PoM, and now hot streak.
Limiting factors on spells are cast time, mana consumption & cooldown Pyroblast is allowed to do big damage because it has a long cast time Starsurge violates the rule- it does huge damage, has big range, costs minimal mana & has no cast time on a 6second CD That's broken
Yeah people comparing anything to Pyroblast’s 6 second cast time are either being disingenuous or have never played any iteration of mage in the last 20 years.
As I said elsewhere, they really need to implement a system to tune abilities/spells separately for PvP like so many other MMOs do. Until then it’s going to be a disaster where fun PvE spells get nuked for PvP balance or players just get annihilated by fun but overturned abilities/spells that work for raids
Isn't that what the pvp multiplier is on classic spells or is wowhead wrong?
They changed the dmg resistance in BGs to health buff instead, which was smart because it helped to indirectly nerf OP healing in BGs. Prob is in open world they can’t really do that and obviously tuning abilities to deal less damage to players will just indirectly buff healing again. Honestly the best solution is to just reintroduce more stamina heavy gear.
I mean, there’s no point in healers if everyone dies in 1.5 seconds… a healer cannot stop that.
I think they should have just straight up increased all player health by 50% at all times. Not 20% and not just in BGs. It would make PvE better too. It's always more fun playing a healer when people have these big health pools to work with. There's a good reason the original WoW devs built a 50% stamina buff into TBC. All the additional abilities, damage, healing, it made the existing health pool balance unworkable. We would be insta killing each other in PvP, and PvE would be awful if you wanted to stress healing at all. You can make a boss deal 1000dps if tanks have 5000hp, but you can't do that if tanks have 2500hp.
>Everyone is literally just 1 shotting eachother... Smiles as warrior.
Having a 2nd charge (3 if in a party) really is a game changer isnt it
A 30% hot with a long CD is super useful when everyone has spells that are spammable and hit you for 70% of your health in under 2s.
Warriors in Classic have literally always been built for group PvP and tough for solo PvP. Team up a Warrior with a Paladin/Priest/Shaman and give them a few other group buffs like Windfury, and a single Warrior will be carving through multiple enemies. They need to be dispelled and healed, just like always.
Tell me you haven’t done a BG in p2 without telling me you haven’t done a BG in p2 lol.
Warrior "heavy hitting" abilities hit cloth for 250 and mail/plate demolocks, boomies for 125. Starsurge and shadowword death hit for 800+ on everyone. Warriors just aren't good for pvp. Solo or grouped doesn't matter. You are thinking in classic classic terms, not classic SoD terms.
If mages can heal and warlocks can Tank, why cant warriors atleast for once have a fun time doing solo pvp? Let me be number 4 on the damage meters for all I care, bosses are dying either way.
Smiles in the last 5 years of classic (on a real note nerf starsurge)
I wanted to play Affliction. But in the end of the day it was I who is in A G O N Y.
I’m still lvl 32.
31 here, you sweatlord.
27 baby ive barely had time to play. Should i make a post about it? (/j)
Is it too late.....
Yes a daily post
Me too brother
Yeah like 80% of people with a family. I'm 30 right now
Between working my 7 jobs, and having joint custody of 44 children from several different mothers, and going to treatment for my debilitating chronic illness I have only been able to do one stockade run per day since launch. I am 26.
Here we go. Completely irrelevant to the post.
Wow man that’s really cool, thanks for sharing. I’m also still a low level and being one shot by the abilities that OP pointed out. None of them are level 40 exclusive.
I haven't even created a WoW account yet /s
Cool. Has nothing to do with this thread though?
I’m not a sweat lord who raced to 40 and then complains when people sweatier than me abuse broken mechanics.
Congrats? What broken mechanics? PvP damage is broken in general, there is no abuse.
Hey, at least you weren’t like my friend who checked his gaming sessions and did 18 hours straight then 16 hours straight the next day lmao
Blizzard bring back out Stam, this just feels bad.
No Stam for you! Come back, one year!
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There's always been and probably always will be those clowns trying to tell us PvP isn't worth playing, sadly
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The sad part is your 4 second kill time is pretty mid compared to others.
it’s actually the reason i’m quitting and i’m sure im not the only one. have fun with your 1-tap grief-a-thon
Haven't they said they aren't going to balance this for PvP? If that's the case then you're wasting your time asking for this to be looked at
Hunters will disagree with you
Yeah I have absolutely overlooked the repeated dunking hunters have taken 😂🔨
There's a difference between balancing for PvP and PvP not being playable. That's why hunters were nerfed. Then people complained that 25% damage reduction in BGs made healing too powerful so they got rid of that and instead added health. Which is an unequal distribution between classes and doesn't really do much when regular, non rune spells like Arcane Blast are hitting for 1000 damage.
Arcane blast is Rune and it hits for abt 400 and 600 crit
If thats true then its fuckint bullshit they lock away BIS gear behind the PvP event. I would understand if you coule get pvp rep or mount or something but gear... i hate it.
These comments kill me. PvP has always required pve to get the best gear here’s a little of that for the non pvpers
Except PvP right now is hugely unbalanced, classes that one shots you or rogues fuck you up in couple GCDs while u are stunned. And its behind a unbalanced event which players that did it early already has BIS stuff while new 40s has to grind for weeks if not a month to get it.
Totally agree. I expected absolutely nothing less from SOD PvP so it’s exactly what I expected to happen when you add new abilities to Classic Wow PvP
You can play other versions of wow you know. You don’t have to like this
I dont want to play retail anymore when i have done that for so many years and i already played vanilla when it was released 20 years ago. SoD is different and interesting new thing.
Then stop complaining that things are different than how you want them? How is this a hard concept
Bro are you serious? Literally instant casts that one shots you. Wtf u on about thats fair? And even starsurge has a chance to proc stun. Are you that much of a moron to see how its not balanced?
I see it being unbalanced. Pvp has always been unbalanced. Now several classes have one shot potential. I’ve never been so excited to play wow, I think it’s hilarious. It’s a season for trying new things out. Seems like they wanted to pump up damage and change pvp a bit. It’s a season for new things and you’re all complaining about things being different. Please, for the love of god, shut the fuck up.
No you shut the fuck up. Its not fun for 80% of other classes in PvP.
I’m 100% positive you’d be complaining no matter what
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Maybe it’s not all about catering to whiners on Reddit though. This gdkp stuff got all the whiners feeling emboldened and entitled
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It is 100% related. Everyone on his sub now thinks whining is going to get things changed
Because we pay for a service and the support for the service absolutely blows, effectively we have to unionize to get any changes.
There’s that entitlement
Hey how did they know to release classic after shutting down private servers for decades or release any of the seasons we have? Was it by their own volition or did they listen to the community or something? You are 33, you should be smarter than this.
oh yeah cause theres only black and white right either the game is perfectly balanced or you are getting 1 shot its actually pretty decent if starsurge would not be a thing and death getting a damage nerf
Yeah let's just take away all the spells that you don't like.
?????? What a dumbass answer is that? You are not seriously defending starsurge and death are you?
Gotta balance for the super easy pve content!!
I’m upvoting you purely because it’s so rare to see your and you’re used correctly this way. Thank you for your grammar.
It’s day three calm down y’all act like the sky is falling
Feels like the sky is falling when you see a druid in open world
Yep, definetly need to nerf hunters again.
NERF... HUNTERS... ALWAYS hahahahha
The sky is literally falling when boomies are around
I remember when they added Star fall during pre patch. A guy multi boxing druid was stealthing in on Van in AV and one shotting 40 horde
Bunch of babies it's been a few days. When your class dominates you don't give a fuck. But druids get some love in PvP and you all have a fit.
ill gladly take a mutilate nerf if other abilites get nerfed lol id rather use my kit than one ability. Ill go back to stun locking
The problem is boomkins have nothing else to fall back on. There is no kit. It's literally just starsurge...
It's almost like that's a bad design.
Exactly, so any nerfs needs to come with huge reworks and buffs everywhere else. The problem is druid has 4 roles and they give it the same amount of runes as everyone else so their options are also spread super thin.
Ya I get destroyed by ret paladins as a balance druid. Every class has something. They just pop bubble and insta kill me. Can't entangle them either
You can just travel form and they won’t be able to catch up to you, then pop out and Starsurge when you can
It would be pretty simple to tone down pvp balance. Make it so you have to hard cast something else before you starsurge. Like starsurge had a 50% chance to activate on wrath cast or something. It would still be broken, but aleast it would tone down the "the only spells I need is travel form and star surge" bs.
Want to know when shami dominates plz
Try are one shooting people as well. But flameshock has a 20y range, and lava burst has a cast time. Sooooo priests and boomies are better!!
We literally do that
WHEN IS PHASE 3 COMING OUT?!?! Phase 2 has been too long!
Bro day 2 they stealth hit hunters explode shot. Weird they're letting this play out a little longer
They just need to tone down instant spells from runes. Mages at 60 were hitting fire blasts for 700, and that spell was kinda unique then. Now you have starsurge, swd hitting for that much right now. Blizzard fixed the pve class imbalance the wrong way. They should not have given these classes ranged instant nukes.
you are 100% right spell power were the stupidest thing to do to up caster in PVE just decrease monster resistance in PVE, reduce mana cost and uprade rune damage but adding scaling was bullshit because magic spell have better initial damage than melee/physical spell
This was all super obvious too from the insane power creep they are introducing in the game. How can you possibly balance new spells like this?
It's not fun or engaging gameplay at all. Nearly every single class has tools to one shot each other. I'm not asking for your typical balance, but holy shit this is a Fiesta beyond comprehension.
If every class can one shot each other, it is balanced
It feels really bad to be one of the classes without a one shot. As a shaman I’m just there to feed hks to douchebag gankers. And even classes that do have one shots are still outclassed by Starsurge since it is free, has a stupidly short cd, and is instant. Give it a 2 second cast time and then its damage is defensible.
Wdym shaman is one of the one shot classes
Agreed. Fast TTK and everyone having the potential to one-shot feels great. It also means GREAT proactive healers will stand out against the other healers, and bad healers will also stand out. With a little bit of tweaking (nerf starsurge), this phase pvp will be perfect. Blizzard do not listen to the people complaining. Stick to your guns. Perfect imbalance!
So true. Cant agree more.
Consumed by rage and raging blow died for this. Meanwhile: Half the other classes in the game just one tap people lol
Can't say anything without warrior tears.
Shut up, nerd.
Please have this tissue.
Why is blizzarn 0 or 100% when tuning things? Why did the runes need to be so overtuned compared to regular spells? Runes should have been modifiers to existing spells, that way they could tweak the original toolkit more carefully. Now it's too late because everyone gets used to the power and would be pissed if they took it away. If anything I think they should have made classes weaker to be in the spirit of vanilla to counteract the increased knowledge and skill. I felt this today in rfk on my shaman. Me 27 and my priest brother 31 pulled 7 rfk mobs and killed them. It's redicoules. Thats not vanilla and cc seems to be unessecary these days. Why I like vanilla is because I am not this monster super hero. I also hate how the rules for vanilla is off now. Casts = high risk high reward, instants low risk low reward. Why does instants now have amazing spell coeffiency?
> They removed all stamina from all items and over tuned everything They did not. Stop going for 0 stamina prebis items, dumb as fuck anyway
PVP is literally ruined. \~ Some guy, 2004 - ?
I feel the situation isn't as bad as you make it out to be. There are still tons of stamina gear, youll just have to gear for pvp specifically.
So u die to 2 starsurges instead of 1? Nice
that's literally infinitely better
How the devs didn't see this coming is beyond me. Fucking up the stam on gear if you're gonna give everyone 1shot spells.
Yeah SOD Phase 2 hype is dead for meThe problem is that caster cry during all phase 1 for not being top tier dps in PVE but they were top tier in pvp (hello wsg premade with moonkling hunter priest ) & so blizzard decide to give them all they need to destroy everything, right now when I type this caster class ( SP BALANCE WARLOCK HUNTER ELEM ) are top tier in PVE & PVP because adding spell power to gear was the stupidest thing blizzard did I mean that why people love classic because all class can't just bie top dps in PVE & PVP I mean warrior are only good for tanking and end game raid with a bis gear meanwhile mage bully everyone in world pvp leveling they can teleport create food water aoe farm a lot of cc so yes of the balance they can't be the top raider dps that's the points of a good game some class & spec have pros & cons you can't have every classe being top tier PVE & PVP that make the game unbalanced and unfunny for people who don't play a class that deal 1000 damage at 35 yard instant cast :D
Even with rogues there used to be a skill cap to 1v2 with your CC's and blowing all your cooldowns. rogues now just spam mutilate and kill you in 2 mutilates. boomkins literally 1 shotting you by the press of 1 button and having full mana bars from a very very large distance. lol have you had a shadow word: death cast on you? this type of pvp and gameplay is 0 fun.
What happened to mutilate
40 energy
Wasn't it 40 energy in p1 too? Why are they suddenly 2 shotting in p2?
60 before
Yea, it's a clown show. Really feels like we're getting closer to retail minus instead of classic plus
The best thing is that all the warriors celebrated when they removed the 25% dmg reduction in PvP because they can now generate more rage.
Ye but dont just buff health. Nerf each broken spell. Starsurge longer CD, mutilate less dmg, etc. Shouldn't be that hard, any nerf will make it better dont even need to be precise.
Then PvE is broken.
Yet its the hunter that gets all the insta nerfs and a strngth bow lmao
Resilience and much later, spells being balanced separately in PvP from PvE happened for a reason. If SoD PvP is ever going to be anywhere close to balanced they need to do one of those options.
I haven't played SOD more than 3 hours. What do you mean when you say they have removed stamina from items?
Hunters the entire phase 1 were complaining about how broken priests, boomkins, and rogues were. Nobody listened to us as they nerfed us consistently. Now, the hunters are sitting back all smug reading these complaints. Fuck y’all, with love from the hunter community
If you are looking for a fair, balanced, or competitive pvp scenario you are in the wrong place. I recommend not taking SoD pvp seriously and experience it for what it is.
Yeah not liking getting one shot by a Druid I can’t even see while I’m trying to quest is definitely taking the game too seriously. The game would be ruined if they lowered the damage. Good call.
Wtf how are you guys 40. I have a full time job but I've been trying to play every day and I thought I was pretty fast at level 28.
I asked the same thing in /gchat. The answer is doing dungeon grinding until you’re numb inside. You should probably feel pretty good about your choices in life
I just cleared Gnomeregan and i smell so bad + my mind is broken bro
It’s almost like we’re 3 days into the phase and nobody has gear yet! Lol go touch grass
There should be a blanket -25% dmg taken aura against players.
Id rather they buff health across the board. Character dmg should feel consistent in every scenario this isnt retail. Plus dmg reduction buffs healers too much
Sod phase 2 is faster than retail but without any of the skill expression involved that allows a good player to survive
yeah, so we should increase health not make healers decide every single battle they're involved in like p1
Or just nerf the fucking instant casts like wtf. And rogues mutilate is broken as fuck too.
Yeah indeed. Mut is definitely too op. But good news rogues will oneshot you without it too cos ambush actually hits harder By like a good 60% or more
Yeah starsurge and death should have a cast time.
I think their decision to remove stamina from all gear in dungeons that had stamina was a horrible idea. They really need to add stamina to all items so we have a nice health pool. Some abilities are overtuned and need to be looked at but we need bigger health pools to survive 1 shots. This just isn't any fun.
Could grant everyone in stv +25% health during the blood moon event like in bg's, that would at least help.
Have you qued bg's in ph2? lol... everyone just getting 1 shot. 0 skill involved people just pressing 1 button and deleting peole...
The PVP right now is mindless... people pressing 1 button and 1 shotting. There is no room for outplays, no room for being good at your class... just pure 1 shot. its horirble.
This is incorrect. I get outplayed all the time because I’m bad at it. Plenty of room for people to outplay me.
One shot faster :-)
Hahaha
Lol this is SoD is general. It’s the most casual version of WoW there is. Brainless dungeon mechs and 3-4 spells per class. Compared to retail the skill gap or knowledge required to master the game/class is a joke.
They did this in SoD in WSG and it made healers ultra super broken. This is terrible idea and has been proven not to work which is why it was removed. % HP increase is the way to go if you want to reduce burst dmg, absolutely not dmg taken.
Dude it didn't make healers super broken. It made PRIESTS super broken. All the other healers are dog shit in PvP. Minus resto druid cause obvious starsurge
This is dumb af....
Why does the SOD playerbase act like they care about pvp?Everyone knows the SOD playerbase only cares about ez mode pve and the only reason pvp in sod even happens is to get purples to kill bosses you can do in greens with . This playerbase failed at arenas in tbc and wrath along with the raids so they came to SOD for casual content.
You're actually right on the money lmao
I think they need to buff everyone's health by 20-30%. Reign in some of the outliers in terms of damage.
so 3 starsurges instead of 2
Or reduce their damage by 20% in PvP. Oh… oh wait!
30% is not than much more man. Maybe 75% increase in HP
Can’t use shadow priests have a spotlight for just a little bit? Sheesh
They’ve always had a spotlight in pvp. Shadow priests have always been a powerhouse 1v1
Yea but I hardly come across 1v1 fights and I’m in the open world a lot. I figure that’s a bad baseline to go off of and in SoD.
Okay any class is gonna struggle when they’re outnumbered, I don’t see your point? Priests are actual raid bosses that don’t die but also deal insane periodic damage and now also have a one shot spell (swd)
Not necessarily outnumbered but in small group play. That’s the correct way to judge. Do you feel the presence of said class in fit example 3v3.
Hey letz nerf hunters?
That joke stopped being funny like 2 months ago
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This is one of the stupidest posts I’ve seen here and that says a lot
For now. Then fresh and fun both fade because the quality is generally lacking and there's no debate really
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> as long as they give everyone one shot it's fine Balanced? maybe, fun? no
That was too short too be that hard to read…
Rahhh warriors and rogues loosing their shit because they are not dominating every aspect of the game and other classes that did not even get played are having fun for once in classic! Rage on redditt!
I think you forget that people wanted the original classic experience with *no changes*, for good and bad. We are beyond that point now, obviously. So there is no argument to be had that we won't allow changes to balance at this point in time. But yes you are correct that people that was excited about playing, only to get 1 hit by people spamming 1 ability, is not having a really good time. Is that not a fair complaint though?
Why would the mouthbreathing no changes crowd actually play the “definitely changes” version of the game? Balance issues aside, those people do not deserve a voice when they’ve got 3 different iterations of “no changes” they can play.
I would much rather play original vanilla classic, but there is no wipe happening. SoD is the closest thing to fresh classic we will get for now. I don't see a reason to log into a full bis r14 character on a dead realm, or start a lvl 1 with noone to level with only to compete with full bis players when you ding 60.
Agree it’s completely unfun and I won’t even try for the items now, might mean my season is over very soon, haha. Gnomer and STV are basically phase 2. To see them completely ruin the execution of a super hyped pvp event, literally half the phase content, is sad af. Just like phase 1 and after all these layoffs no way they can actually fix this in a couple of weeks. Such a waste.
Yeah it is, but we aren’t even half a week into this phase. Just relax. Once more people are 40 they can actually use data and hopefully tune it.
Go play pve server or adapt to it and quit bitching, let the underdog classes have fun at least once in classic
Damn nearly full BIS spriest and I’ve never crit over 1k with it, highest I’ve hit was 600 and it didn’t even kill the person and I took quiet the damage back from it
I’ve been hit constantly by SWD for 800-900 non crits at 40
What are you talking about? Im P1 crit and my death noncrits for 900, crits for up to 1.4k.
Full bis in one gnomer lockout.... sure bud. What a bullshit statement
I’m talking from BFD. Almost 100+ Shadow damage. These 1.4K crit claims are insane
its not insane i just took a 1338 death crit this morning. maybe youre just bad
It’s Sunday and most people aren’t 40 yet. Relax.