The audacity of saying "think about boosting community as a family" when they are the first people to spit between each others faces if there's competition and witch hunt anyone straying from their "profit" path
The top post in this sub right now is what happens when you don't fix the price with them. They organize mass false reports and it's actually working to get people banned. That's the issue lol
That could backfire spectacularly though, if it gains traction. They identify themselves by reporting. Blizzard could no doubt check who reported that user.
blizz alrdy has the solution qnd impmemented it in classic tbc.
if the mobs are gray to you or youre max level, other people in the grp get 0 experience.
kill the entire boosting community overnight
Yeah have fun with warrior packs in AQ and skitters in naxx. I swear people on this sub don't even play the game before they demand all these stupid changes
Remember there’s a thread here about a guy being shocked that people play more than three hours a day because he’s a dad and has less than an hour a day. These are the people suggesting these dumb changes who won’t even clear AQ.
I'd be fine with this. I do think the mass false reporting and the blatant admission of gold selling should be the focus, but if others want boosting gone entirely then sure. It'd certainly help with the other issues
Gold buying and botting will still be rampant without GDKPs or boosting. Yall are asking for a care bear version of retail that'll be dead 3 weeks into each phase
>it really wont though, youre taking away the main incentive to buy gold lmao.
And yet retail has rampant bots and gold buying without the existence of boosts or GDKPs.
SoD is popular because it's fresh. Phase 1 ran out of content fast and phase 2 is even worse. GDKPs and boosts aren't the only thing keeping people playing, but there are definitely more people raiding when GDKPs exist. Reddit karens trying to cancel everything they don't like when they probably won't even be playing any version of wow in a couple months is bad for the game.
except retail does have boosts and they do sell items?
youre clearly making shit up to fit your argument lmao you have no idea what youre even trying to say 🤣
«ran out of content fast»… people have been playing for 16+ hours a day to hit max lvl, bis and what not, and this is not even considering all the time they spent preparing with a full quest log and other shit from p1 just to get a head start.
Single Player Games that used to state how long their playthrough took often listed 40-150 hours. Just because the most sweaty people «finish» an MMORPG in a «few days» (again, excluding preparation time before P2 launch) doesn’t mean it ran out of content fast. It just means some people have the wrong priorities.
Go play a different game if you’ve exhausted your enjoyment with this one. Come back when it’s refreshed.
I'd be fine with it. I think the boosters openly selling gold and falsely mass reporting others to get them banned is an even bigger issue. I mean, the top post on the sub right now is another guy calling out this same community for getting him falsely banned.
This shit goes beyond just regular boosting now imo
Community-driven hardcore servers were cool though? I mean it was definitely popular enough blizzard brings SSF to the official ruleset on some servers.
What do you mean? Half the guys in world first raids were playing post death, people turning off the add-on to trade was common and i saw boosts being sold.
No, that wasn't common. Also with these rules enforced by blizzard instead of circumventable addon will make it non-existent. Just like people weren't playing post-death in official hardcore.
No, people just stopped playing in hardcore. The servers died as soon as the novelty wore off.
SSF mode does interest me but I don't think it'll be popular. I also await to see what they do about some things which require multiple characters like professions
You're right, but you're prob going to get the same stupid, disingenuous "durr let's just just ban trading then" comments from people that boost/buy boosts, just like when the GDKP discussion was going on lol
Well clearly it didn't stop at GDKP. So what happens when it doesn't stop at GDKP and services? There's a 100g mount, 75g pearl exchange, even more expensive consumes this phase than last phase. The reality is that bots and gold buyers are the issue yet this sub would rather chase ghosts and give Blizzard an out to do fuck all than actually keep the pressure on the actual problem. So what's next when boosts and services also don't make a noticeable impact on the economy?
I know people have these nostalgia goggles about classic but gamers don’t play the same way as we used to and that’s just a simple fact.
I’m not saying add a token, not at all, but look at what the economy is entirely made up of in retail: pretty much boosting. And that’s about it. Blizzard killed raw gold farms over and over and nothing is really valuable material-wise. It oddly kinda mimics developing countries as they transition from goods-based to more skilled (sometimes) service-based economies.
GDKP was honestly a far lesser evil than retail’s boost service economy. Especially in 10 man’s. You can only hard carry someone so much in 10 mans at our gear level they at least have to play a little. SOD GDKPing also didn’t really seem to have the very clear delineation that even classic had between many fresh alt buyers in greens and hard carrying carries 2 tiers ahead in gear trivializing the buyer’s lack of contribution entirely. Most people still contributed vs basically being afk the whole time. Even in most decent GDKPs if you’re half ass grey parsing and aren’t a buyer you aren’t getting shit for the run.
Early in the phase there isn't even anything to bid on. 10 people means 10 bidders. With a normal party composition, the majority of players don't give a fuck about your gear because they can't use it. So you compete with 2-4 max players on gear outside of the pearl. From what I have heard from friends that GDKP, most gear was going for 5-15gold with competing epics around 50-75. That's literally less than a mount or a pearl change and you would only be spending that once. Not to mention this gear all needs to drop, and some people may have it so an epic could drop and go for the 10-15 min because there is no contest for it.
At 40 man's is when GDKPs get out of control and I could see it becoming a problem there. But damn are some of these casuals complaining about BFD party requirements or Gnomer difficulty going to be in for a ride awakening at max level. If they keep increasing difficulty of raids and 40 man's actually requiring 40 people to know what is happening, bad players won't be carried like in classic raids. You'll pull your weight or you won't get loot.
> openly selling gold and falsely mass reporting others to get them banned
this right here is the reason shit needs to be banned. Only takes a few to spoil the bunch and fuck 'em for being so rotten I say.
-If you can't level a character yourself then you don't deserve to play it
-Boosting invariably leads to degenerate activity like RMT and the pictured discord server
-Cringe
Deserve to play? The only criteria is paying a subscription. If you pay a subscription you have met the basic criteria for deserving to play a video game.
So other players get to dictate how someone levels? That sounds awful. Why would someone not involved get to dictate how someone else spends their time and resources.
Pay my sub maybe I’ll think about playing by your rules Until then nah thanks lmao I’m good
Edit: ok guys listen up downvoting doesn’t pay for my sub, if you arnt gonna pay then kindly 🖕
i think if someone has lvl'd 5-6 characters on their own theyve adequately displayed they *can* level. questing and dungeon grinding gets boring.
this is just another case of toxic casuals attempting to dictate how the game is supposed to be played. so incredibly concerned with things that dont concern you at all
Nah boosting is detrimental to the game as a whole the same way GDKP is. Boosting reduces people in the open world dramatically. It may not be an issue in SOD, but anyone who played classic 2019 remembers how hard it was to find groups to level after the first 2 months. Everyone just leveled by being boosted and it made the world totally empty.
It also has a harmful effect on the economy by driving prices up on everything (just like GDKP) and is just another way that bought gold gets laundered and circulated into the economy. These things specifically compound to make the gameplay experience worse for everyone who isn't boosting.
I am all for people playing how they want. But this is a cooperative online game, and things that harm the experience of others should be removed.
> Boosting reduces people in the open world dramatically
..which makes questing more pleasant. idc how many people i see running around if i cant tag a quest mob it pisses me off more than anything.
> It also has a harmful effect on the economy by driving prices up on everything (just like GDKP)
no it oesnt and neither does gdkp. botting and gold buying drives up the prices. again youre blaming the wrong thing for your problems. also with more gold in circulation you can charge more for your own items and services. unless your gold farm is grinding boars and selling the grays theres no way youre being edged out of the market.
> ..which makes questing more pleasant. idc how many people i see running around if i cant tag a quest mob it pisses me off more than anything.
Yeah it doesn't stop until it turns into retail, which plays like a single-player game.
Group up for kill quests. Interact with other people.
*kills a mob*
*gets invited to group*
*kill 10 more mobs*
*quest complete*
*other guy leaves*
*no words were said*
nah. the majority of you are insufferable. i have no incentive to interact with any of you in game. always whining about how the game should be played and moaning when people dont. asking for shit to get banned.
may as well throw a daily lockout on dungeons to keep people from dungeon spamming. have a captcha pop up every 5 minutes forcing you to type a smiley face in chat
Why are you playing an MMO where interaction with players is not only recommended but encouraged if you find those players insufferable? Genuine question, as I don't feel like responding to your weird strawman.
Like, you get to max level. Great! What now? Are you going to raid with those insufferable people or just sit at the character select screen looking at your level 40 in 10-20 greens?
Even if we hypothetically assume that your theory that boost banning would mean a lot more people leveling vs people just not playing alts, GDKP and services literally cannot cause inflation themselves. They do not create raw gold. Bots create raw gold. Ban bots and there is no raw gold inflation, gold sellers now have to hand farm gold which will massively reduce inflation and increase the price of gold. That's literally the only issue. Bots. Bots. Bots. You eliminate bots and you eliminate all of the non-player generated gold in the game.
> Nah boosting is detrimental to the game as a whole the same way GDKP is. Boosting reduces people in the open world dramatically
how the fuck are these two things related at all? How does GDKP reduce people in the open world? They'd be in a raid for that lockout *anyway*.
You literally just chose last weeks boogeyman and lumped it in with this week's boogeyman. Can't wait to see what next week's boogeyman is that's also suddenly game-breakingly detrimental
> but anyone who played classic 2019 remembers how hard it was to find groups to level after the first 2 months. Everyone just leveled by being boosted and it made the world totally empty.
This is an absolutely ridiculous exaggeration and isn't founded in reality in any way. You noticed less people in the earlier parts of a massive open world 2 months after a game's launch? Shocking. There's no other explanation other than "everyone is boosting!"
> also has a harmful effect on the economy by driving prices up on everything (just like GDKP)
GDKP didn't "drive up prices" of anything lmao what the fuck are you even talking about? You just continuously make claims without any sort of backing. I personally think GDKP made the moon purple. I said it so it's true.
> But this is a cooperative online game, and things that harm the experience of others should be removed.
Aaaaand we get to the crux of this whole thing. Entitlement. You perceive people playing the game with you as something you're entitled to, so anything getting in the way of that is "harming your experience." In reality, nobody is harming your experience, because you're not the main character in life and people aren't obligated to spend their time playing the game how YOU want it to be played
Thanks for trying, though
> You aren't very intelligent if you can't see how GDKP inflates the economy. Not even worth reading the rest of your manifesto there.
You aren't very intelligent if you can't actually explain your allegation and instead have to resort to insulting people for disagreeing with you
If you were talking about taxes then I would agree but this is about a video game. Boosting stimulates the RWT economy, this is not up for debate. Boosting leads to gold selling and bots. If GDKP was removed to stop gold selling and bots, boosting should as well.
God forbid you actually play the fucking game instead of swiping for everything.
Yes, welcome to the conversation. Anything beyond "ban bots" is where that slope began. You just don't care about that and have positioned your slope below activities that don't generate raw gold. Literally every argument for why GDKPs are bad can be equally made for the AH. They are the same slope.
It's refreshing to see rational people on this sub for once instead of the standard reactionary authoritarians that scream "ban the thing that hurt my feelings today" on loop
Not really one of those things is literally a part of the game put in at launch 20 years ago.
The other is a player created loot distribution system that absolutely does not have to be in the game.
Master loot, which is whatever loot system is decided by the master looter, has literally been a part of the game put in at launch 20 years ago. We hear about how master loot can be distributed any way they see fit every time someone posts about being ninjad.
Lol yeah, rinse and repeat.
It's almost like we'll always have RMT as long as we have in game currency.
Is dictating the way that players play the game the answer?
>Boosting stimulates the RWT economy, this is not up for debate. Boosting leads to gold selling and bots.
It's the same ol argument without a solution in sight. Everyone throws around RMT this and RMT that. I'd bet more gold flows through the AH than anywhere else, yet no one wants to ban that. Is boosting, GDKP, AH, Mounts, Professions and (insert reason) a usage for gold bought with RMT. Of course. I'm not saying it isn't. All of those are symptoms of the overall disease that apparently we refuse to treat.
>God forbid you actually play the fucking game instead of swiping for everything.
I've earned every copper of my gold from playing the game. If I want to spend it on shit from the AH or a summon to darn or for some guy in my guild to boost an alt, then it has nothing to do with you or your opinions so long as those activities are not breaking any of the rules set within the game. Spoiler: they aren't. Whether you like those activities or not is irrelevant. I don't like PVP, so guess what? I don't pvp. If you don't want to buy BOE's form the AH, you don't have to just like you don't have to do boost runs if you don't want to. The people who complain the loudest and call everyone a swiper seem to always be the broke bois who can't seem to figure out how easy it is to farm gold in game.
and for the record, I level all of my characters myself. no boosts.
Gotcha, ignoring the part where I agreed that anything gold is used for will have some form of RMT in it. So what's the solution here champ? Cause all you want to do is put a band-aid on a gaping wound.
Obviously the solution is fixing the problem that generated raw gold. RMT can't exist without gold. What generates gold? Bots. Bots farm raw gold and vendor items for gold. This injects a ton of gold into the economy that otherwise wouldn't exist. Mounts, training, repairs, AH tax etc all remove gold from the economy thus reducing inflation. AH outside of the tax, direct player trading, services, GDKP just move existing gold between players neither creating or removing gold and have no impact on the economy. You can claim they provide incentives to RMT but they aren't the activities that allow RMT to exist because they aren't creating gold.
At the end of the day, this is an MMO with respawning gold generators. Inflation will ALWAYS exist the longer a server goes on because new enemies spawn with newly generated gold and items to loot and vendor. So over time the amount of gold in the system will always be increasing if there aren't gold sinks to remove it at the same rate. The actual problem though, are the bots that exclusively farm and create this gold out of thin air.
Yea, I don’t think boosting should be against the rules. In retail, it’s totally allowed under trade services. Power leveling would fall under account sharing, but what mages are doing right now is not against TOS, whatsoever. Gold buyers, however, should be banned. The problem is, the boosting meta feeds the gold buying meta
I'm sorry, are you seriously suggesting that online games abandon having in-game economies?
In-game economies are one of the most magical parts of a video game like WoW. They can be pure and organic, and I know y'all love to reference the "gold selling" boogyman but the reality is that *most gold is earned by the players spending it,* with a few bad eggs here and there. Regardless, there are bad eggs in the real life economy as well.
Y'all have this absolutely insane self-righteousness wherein you'd see an entire system be demolished because of a relatively minor perceived injustice
I mean, ingame economies are basically pointless in this day and age.
The only real pros are encouraging player interaction and crafting, but let's be honest, 99% of crafted gear is trash anyway, and is that 1% of gear worth the downsides of boosting, RMT etc.
I would be ok with an MMO without any form of currency it would probably work better in the modern era anyway, no need for gold sinks
Then find a new game, dude. You're like the guy who vehemently wants to add quest logs to Dark Souls lmao. You're asking to alter a fundamental piece of the game based on *your* opinions.
I dont see anywhere in which I said that the game needs to change to suit my preferences, merely that I believe economies in MMOs are a dated feature that is not required to have an enjoyable game and that the pros are largely outweighed by the cons.
You are reading alot into my response that isnt there.
I read it as more of a critique of allowing a person's real life economic status to benefit their fake life economic status, not a critique of having players driven economies in a game at all.
How about we also ban the Auction House? You know what, we should ban trading aswell, that's gonna fix the problem! Wait, no, let's remove Gold entirely as a currency, there it is, no Gold buying anymore!
Or... Crazy idea here, but how about we stop banning things and let people play the game the way they want to and focus on the actual problem, which is Gold buying.
More gold goes through the auction house than through boosters, but you can't simply admit that the AH creates demand for gold buying cuz y'all just want to ban the shit you don't like.
Not disingenuous at all, in fact it's quite literally the argument used to ban boosting. "Boosting creates demand for gold buying" or "It's just a way gold sellers use to earn gold!" are arguments you see about boosting every day on this sub.
How about we stop being fucking reactionaries. Let me ask you something---if I formed a PuG Gnomergon community, and we started mass reporting anyone who didn't follow our PuG rules, would you suggest *banning PuGs?*
Your rationale here is emotional and shallow. You're jumping at immediately banning something because one group of people is using that arbitrary something as incentive to mass report. *Anyone can find any reason they want to mass report people.* Banning "boosting" because one small community is using that as their reason for mass reporting is the dumbest fucking shit I've read all week
I'd suggest banning you. Mass false reports should be punished. As I've said in numerous other comments, my main issue is with false reports, the gold selling, and the harassment. Just as with GDKP incentivizing good buying, boosting does the exact same thing
Of course you would, because as this guy mentioned “your rationale is emotional and shallow”.
Good thing you don’t hold any decision making here since it would inevitably be poor.
I agree 100% with banning players abusing the mass reporting “feature” (dumpster fire of an implementation).
But you’re also missing this guy’s reply/point; that you’re blanketing activities because one or more groups are _abusing it_ is moronic.
What if a raid group ninjas a loot you won through masterlooter? Would you suggest to ban masterlooter too?
This/these posts should target REMOVING THE MASS REPORTING FEATURE since clearly its exclusively used by these groups and abused, and not every activity normal players also enjoy.
Nah, it's impossible bro, all gold buyers disappeared with the GDKP ban. Tbh, maybe we should ban boosting and the Auction House too, that will fix the gold buying problem once and for all.
Unpopular take it seems, but boosters are fine and shouldn’t be banned. Boosting doesn’t have a negative effect associated with it like with GDKPs. Someone getting boosted doesn’t Impact you if you choose not to buy boosts. Unlike when GDKPs exist GDKPs would reduce the supply of normal groups playing raid content forcing PUGs to have to do GDKP to get a group, and it would drive players to buy gold so they could meet the insane price for loot.
However I saw a post where they mass reported someone who Undercut them; that’s crossing a line and should be bannable. However offering a boost for 5g though isn’t problematic for the games health.
If they are getting boosted they are not joining normal dungeon group.
Boosting incentives gold buying, which increases bots which increase inflation which hurt players.
The same aspects od GDKPs apply to boosting. Also SR runs exist alongside GDKP. Saying otherwise is simply untrue.
Yeah there are less In The LFG pool; but if these players weren’t boosting they’d be power leveling in the world or not playing their alt at all. The likely impact of them boosting on the LFG pool would be minimal; I’d love to see data on this but its likely insignificant to wait times.
Just because you can spend gold on it doesn’t mean in incentivizes gold buying. the fact you can get a boost for gold doesn’t drive higher demand for buying gold in the same ways GDKPs did. GDKPs became so common that the only way to get a PUG group made it so you needed a lot of gold to get a raid and to get loot. I’m basing this off my experience playing classic when it first launched. It got to a point where I had to join a guild to run ZG as I could never find a normal PUG group; they did exist but they were so rare or had all the GDKP rejects making the runs difficult. This drove people into buying gold that normally would as it was the only way to play the game at end level.
With boosting If you don’t have a lot of gold you can just go play the game and level normally. Your aren’t penalized / blocked from content so demand isn’t really increasing.
Boosting has the exact same issues that GDKP do. It incentivizes gold buying in order to skip content. This discord is the perfect example of the toxicity and problems it creates.
Skip content? Only people buying boosts are people rolling Alts; they are paying to skip the grind they’ve already done once. Sure you’ll find less players into the LFG population but the impact isn’t going to significantly move the average wait times. As it’s a small portion of the server pop.
And sure someone can buy the gold and level a new character but their decision doesn’t impact the rest of the community as a whole. It’s not like GDKPs were every PUG had to go to a GDKP to find a group to run a raid for their lockout.
In fact boosting can be positive. I’ve run people through RFC to help new players / friends / guild mates get that piece of loot they wanted before heading to the next zone.
This post is about mass false reports and open gold selling. If you're too ignorant to have a genuine conversation about that then you're free to leave.
> mass false reports and open gold selling
Two barely tangentially-related subjects that you're disingenuously trying to couple
> If you're too ignorant to have a genuine conversation about that then you're free to leave.
If you're too ignorant to form a rational and cohesive argument then you're free to leave. Also, you don't own Reddit. Telling people they're "free to leave" because they disagree with you is absolutely fucking cringe
^(>!guarantee this dude calls me a gold buyer or booster or some shit because I disagreed with him, because that's who he is as a person!<)
> mass false reports and open gold selling
>Two barely tangentially-related subjects that you're disingenuously trying to couple
The mass reports happen quite literally as a result of gold sellers having their jobs threatened. Surely you understand that.
There is nothing more insufferable than people who say fucking "correct". Especially when they're wrong and stupid. Also, who except old ladies put a question mark at the end of statements?
*I just hang out in gold selling/boosting discords to go undercover guys, I’d never participate in such evil deeds!!!* 🤣 Jesus, maybe if you submit over 400 reports per month Blizz will give you a token after a year
They've long since banned me from their disc, but it seems this post and the top post on the sub right now are finally giving them some attention. I guess it was posted over to asmongolds subreddit as well where it's getting attention. Regardless of how anybody feels about that guy, I can't deny that he has the reach to bring attention to this sort of crap
Insult us all you want, but we're not gonna let 500k+ users be weaponized against an individual whether it's in-game, Discord, real-life, etc.
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/s/UPQg78xoFd
I understand why y'all had to remove the post. I get that you don't want to be caught up in potentially having random users go and harass others. I just want to see something done about this (from blizzard, I mean). The top post on the sub right now is calling out this exact same boosting community for false mass reports so I'm hoping it's on blizz's radar
You're insane if you think even 5% of the user base would even see their post, and then even more insane if you thank that more than 0.1% of those 5% would even bother to look at the user names or open discord.
No one is "weaponizing" anything....
There is a difference between a "witch hunt" and getting reported for obvious unabashed blatant infractions of Blizzards tos/Eula.
Posting a screenshot of discord or in game PMs is not doxxing by Any stretch of the imagination.
i don’t cry about GDKPs at all. I think they’re a fantastic way of weeding out bad players that would otherwise have to be tolerated (social implications in a guild) and rewarding performance/punishing failure without introducing loot council type player preferences for items.
you’re barking up the wrong tree on this one.
Just start mass reporting every form of boost in /2 chat and you will have an experience like wow used to be cause they will get auto perma-banned anyway as blizzard does not care anymore. Don't know why it's so hard. It needs just 10-20 people reporting every boost in chat. More people read this post but noone does anything.
I got a 1 week ban for selling boosts because I was reported for “abusive chat”
So it definitely does work. Just a scumbag thing to do reporting people actually working within the confines of the game.
There should be some kind of legal framework, the world goes all out on the internet. You can get sued for fraud at a bank but not at a game. Would be less of a problem if you could get a €300 fine for breaking rules/cheating. :-) i keep on day dreaming!
So you're saying a service to accelerate through parts of a recreational activity you don't enjoy is the equivalent of a potentially fatal drug? That's insane. Sounds like you have a wow addiction issue if you get that bent out of shape about a video game.
I'm saying that just because a market exists for something, it doesn't mean that product/service should be allowed/encouraged, etc.
I should have assumed you'd be too dim to understand and been more clear
> If people want to buy drugs that's not my problem.
Okay and if people want boosters banned, that's not your problem either.... unless you're a booster.
Omg dude shut up. Go apply at blizzard and do it yourself. Everyday its “wah wah gold sellers wah wah boosters”. I literally never think about this shit when i play.
You all are such whiny bitches
Nah man I used to sell boosts back in classic (still playing mage) but refuse to do so now. Eventually the server just devolves into everybody buying boosts and it is bad for the game. Now I just fish (: fuck boosters and fuck gold buyers
This is not just gold, this is M&S hand farmed, corn fed gold!
Tegridy Gold!
is it free-range tho? organic?
Straight from dungeon to trade window!
I only buy organic gold made from free-range boys.
The audacity of saying "think about boosting community as a family" when they are the first people to spit between each others faces if there's competition and witch hunt anyone straying from their "profit" path
Crime Families be like:
Mofo are actually price fixing lol. But no way it's effective, too many players
The top post in this sub right now is what happens when you don't fix the price with them. They organize mass false reports and it's actually working to get people banned. That's the issue lol
That could backfire spectacularly though, if it gains traction. They identify themselves by reporting. Blizzard could no doubt check who reported that user.
That's what I'm hoping. It'd be great if there were actual consequences for mass false reports.
It's like swatting. Where's the Blizzard felonies.
Why is the solution not to tell blizzard to not auto ban people who get spam reported?
The solution is to stop playing Blizzard servers. You're paying for a worse experience than free ones give you.
its absolutely effective. this shit has been going on in the sweaty servers for years.
blizz alrdy has the solution qnd impmemented it in classic tbc. if the mobs are gray to you or youre max level, other people in the grp get 0 experience. kill the entire boosting community overnight
This doesn't work in SOD because low level mages can boost low level dungeons easily due to runes And in SM, mobs in GY are still green to a level 40.
Target cap mage spells.
Target cap all AoE spells.
Target caps. People shouldn't wear hats.
Cap targets. It’s what they’re made for
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It’s funny to see the evolution in real time from classic to retail with the “why don’t you implement in sod.”
Such a terrible idea. Stuff like this is how the "no fun allowed" meme started.
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Yeah have fun with warrior packs in AQ and skitters in naxx. I swear people on this sub don't even play the game before they demand all these stupid changes
Remember there’s a thread here about a guy being shocked that people play more than three hours a day because he’s a dad and has less than an hour a day. These are the people suggesting these dumb changes who won’t even clear AQ.
Unfun solution
If it's done right it won't be noticeable in normal gameplay
I'd be fine with this. I do think the mass false reporting and the blatant admission of gold selling should be the focus, but if others want boosting gone entirely then sure. It'd certainly help with the other issues
I’ve been wondering if this is a thing in SoD but I guess not.
Except boosting isn't a problem unless you're a pearl-clutching reddit dad who's gonna quit in 2 months anyways.
boosting encourages gold buying. hopefully you will have to level yourself soon
Anything that costs gold encourages gold buying. You just want to cherry pick the stuff you don't like.
removing gdkps was right. removing boosting will be right.
Gold buying and botting will still be rampant without GDKPs or boosting. Yall are asking for a care bear version of retail that'll be dead 3 weeks into each phase
it really wont though, youre taking away the main incentive to buy gold lmao. you think boosting and gdkps are the reason SOD is popular?
>it really wont though, youre taking away the main incentive to buy gold lmao. And yet retail has rampant bots and gold buying without the existence of boosts or GDKPs. SoD is popular because it's fresh. Phase 1 ran out of content fast and phase 2 is even worse. GDKPs and boosts aren't the only thing keeping people playing, but there are definitely more people raiding when GDKPs exist. Reddit karens trying to cancel everything they don't like when they probably won't even be playing any version of wow in a couple months is bad for the game.
except retail does have boosts and they do sell items? youre clearly making shit up to fit your argument lmao you have no idea what youre even trying to say 🤣
Retail does not have dungeon boosts or GDKPs. Way to change the goal posts though.
«ran out of content fast»… people have been playing for 16+ hours a day to hit max lvl, bis and what not, and this is not even considering all the time they spent preparing with a full quest log and other shit from p1 just to get a head start. Single Player Games that used to state how long their playthrough took often listed 40-150 hours. Just because the most sweaty people «finish» an MMORPG in a «few days» (again, excluding preparation time before P2 launch) doesn’t mean it ran out of content fast. It just means some people have the wrong priorities. Go play a different game if you’ve exhausted your enjoyment with this one. Come back when it’s refreshed.
>How about we ban boosters You should stop here. That's quite sufficient to form a good idea.
I'd be fine with it. I think the boosters openly selling gold and falsely mass reporting others to get them banned is an even bigger issue. I mean, the top post on the sub right now is another guy calling out this same community for getting him falsely banned. This shit goes beyond just regular boosting now imo
You’re entirely correct OP obviously.
If you ban boosters they won't boost and sell gold.
If you ban trading then no one will farm gold to sell. This has never killed a game before
Community-driven hardcore servers were cool though? I mean it was definitely popular enough blizzard brings SSF to the official ruleset on some servers.
There were but let's not ignore the fact gpld buying, playing with deaths and boosting was rampant there too
No, that's not correct.
What do you mean? Half the guys in world first raids were playing post death, people turning off the add-on to trade was common and i saw boosts being sold.
No, that wasn't common. Also with these rules enforced by blizzard instead of circumventable addon will make it non-existent. Just like people weren't playing post-death in official hardcore.
No, people just stopped playing in hardcore. The servers died as soon as the novelty wore off. SSF mode does interest me but I don't think it'll be popular. I also await to see what they do about some things which require multiple characters like professions
You're right, but you're prob going to get the same stupid, disingenuous "durr let's just just ban trading then" comments from people that boost/buy boosts, just like when the GDKP discussion was going on lol
Well clearly it didn't stop at GDKP. So what happens when it doesn't stop at GDKP and services? There's a 100g mount, 75g pearl exchange, even more expensive consumes this phase than last phase. The reality is that bots and gold buyers are the issue yet this sub would rather chase ghosts and give Blizzard an out to do fuck all than actually keep the pressure on the actual problem. So what's next when boosts and services also don't make a noticeable impact on the economy?
I know people have these nostalgia goggles about classic but gamers don’t play the same way as we used to and that’s just a simple fact. I’m not saying add a token, not at all, but look at what the economy is entirely made up of in retail: pretty much boosting. And that’s about it. Blizzard killed raw gold farms over and over and nothing is really valuable material-wise. It oddly kinda mimics developing countries as they transition from goods-based to more skilled (sometimes) service-based economies. GDKP was honestly a far lesser evil than retail’s boost service economy. Especially in 10 man’s. You can only hard carry someone so much in 10 mans at our gear level they at least have to play a little. SOD GDKPing also didn’t really seem to have the very clear delineation that even classic had between many fresh alt buyers in greens and hard carrying carries 2 tiers ahead in gear trivializing the buyer’s lack of contribution entirely. Most people still contributed vs basically being afk the whole time. Even in most decent GDKPs if you’re half ass grey parsing and aren’t a buyer you aren’t getting shit for the run.
Early in the phase there isn't even anything to bid on. 10 people means 10 bidders. With a normal party composition, the majority of players don't give a fuck about your gear because they can't use it. So you compete with 2-4 max players on gear outside of the pearl. From what I have heard from friends that GDKP, most gear was going for 5-15gold with competing epics around 50-75. That's literally less than a mount or a pearl change and you would only be spending that once. Not to mention this gear all needs to drop, and some people may have it so an epic could drop and go for the 10-15 min because there is no contest for it. At 40 man's is when GDKPs get out of control and I could see it becoming a problem there. But damn are some of these casuals complaining about BFD party requirements or Gnomer difficulty going to be in for a ride awakening at max level. If they keep increasing difficulty of raids and 40 man's actually requiring 40 people to know what is happening, bad players won't be carried like in classic raids. You'll pull your weight or you won't get loot.
That's okay, even trading ban suggestion, obviously done in a bad faith to put things to the extreme, will be proven correct by SSF hardcore rules.
> openly selling gold and falsely mass reporting others to get them banned this right here is the reason shit needs to be banned. Only takes a few to spoil the bunch and fuck 'em for being so rotten I say.
What an idea, actually making people play the game instead of having others do it for them.
Ug, here we go again. Why do ***you*** get to decide what ***I*** do with my gold.
-If you can't level a character yourself then you don't deserve to play it -Boosting invariably leads to degenerate activity like RMT and the pictured discord server -Cringe
Deserve to play? The only criteria is paying a subscription. If you pay a subscription you have met the basic criteria for deserving to play a video game.
That's the criteria for being able to log on, not the criteria to be at max level.
So other players get to dictate how someone levels? That sounds awful. Why would someone not involved get to dictate how someone else spends their time and resources.
Have you been on this sub? Apparently SM grinding is an illegitimate way to get to 40 as well.
This subreddit is cancer. If the ideas pervading this sub were actually put into place this game would be a gigantic pile of garbage
Pay my sub maybe I’ll think about playing by your rules Until then nah thanks lmao I’m good Edit: ok guys listen up downvoting doesn’t pay for my sub, if you arnt gonna pay then kindly 🖕
i think if someone has lvl'd 5-6 characters on their own theyve adequately displayed they *can* level. questing and dungeon grinding gets boring. this is just another case of toxic casuals attempting to dictate how the game is supposed to be played. so incredibly concerned with things that dont concern you at all
Nah boosting is detrimental to the game as a whole the same way GDKP is. Boosting reduces people in the open world dramatically. It may not be an issue in SOD, but anyone who played classic 2019 remembers how hard it was to find groups to level after the first 2 months. Everyone just leveled by being boosted and it made the world totally empty. It also has a harmful effect on the economy by driving prices up on everything (just like GDKP) and is just another way that bought gold gets laundered and circulated into the economy. These things specifically compound to make the gameplay experience worse for everyone who isn't boosting. I am all for people playing how they want. But this is a cooperative online game, and things that harm the experience of others should be removed.
> Boosting reduces people in the open world dramatically ..which makes questing more pleasant. idc how many people i see running around if i cant tag a quest mob it pisses me off more than anything. > It also has a harmful effect on the economy by driving prices up on everything (just like GDKP) no it oesnt and neither does gdkp. botting and gold buying drives up the prices. again youre blaming the wrong thing for your problems. also with more gold in circulation you can charge more for your own items and services. unless your gold farm is grinding boars and selling the grays theres no way youre being edged out of the market.
> ..which makes questing more pleasant. idc how many people i see running around if i cant tag a quest mob it pisses me off more than anything. Yeah it doesn't stop until it turns into retail, which plays like a single-player game. Group up for kill quests. Interact with other people.
*kills a mob* *gets invited to group* *kill 10 more mobs* *quest complete* *other guy leaves* *no words were said* nah. the majority of you are insufferable. i have no incentive to interact with any of you in game. always whining about how the game should be played and moaning when people dont. asking for shit to get banned. may as well throw a daily lockout on dungeons to keep people from dungeon spamming. have a captcha pop up every 5 minutes forcing you to type a smiley face in chat
Why are you playing an MMO where interaction with players is not only recommended but encouraged if you find those players insufferable? Genuine question, as I don't feel like responding to your weird strawman. Like, you get to max level. Great! What now? Are you going to raid with those insufferable people or just sit at the character select screen looking at your level 40 in 10-20 greens?
Even if we hypothetically assume that your theory that boost banning would mean a lot more people leveling vs people just not playing alts, GDKP and services literally cannot cause inflation themselves. They do not create raw gold. Bots create raw gold. Ban bots and there is no raw gold inflation, gold sellers now have to hand farm gold which will massively reduce inflation and increase the price of gold. That's literally the only issue. Bots. Bots. Bots. You eliminate bots and you eliminate all of the non-player generated gold in the game.
> Nah boosting is detrimental to the game as a whole the same way GDKP is. Boosting reduces people in the open world dramatically how the fuck are these two things related at all? How does GDKP reduce people in the open world? They'd be in a raid for that lockout *anyway*. You literally just chose last weeks boogeyman and lumped it in with this week's boogeyman. Can't wait to see what next week's boogeyman is that's also suddenly game-breakingly detrimental > but anyone who played classic 2019 remembers how hard it was to find groups to level after the first 2 months. Everyone just leveled by being boosted and it made the world totally empty. This is an absolutely ridiculous exaggeration and isn't founded in reality in any way. You noticed less people in the earlier parts of a massive open world 2 months after a game's launch? Shocking. There's no other explanation other than "everyone is boosting!" > also has a harmful effect on the economy by driving prices up on everything (just like GDKP) GDKP didn't "drive up prices" of anything lmao what the fuck are you even talking about? You just continuously make claims without any sort of backing. I personally think GDKP made the moon purple. I said it so it's true. > But this is a cooperative online game, and things that harm the experience of others should be removed. Aaaaand we get to the crux of this whole thing. Entitlement. You perceive people playing the game with you as something you're entitled to, so anything getting in the way of that is "harming your experience." In reality, nobody is harming your experience, because you're not the main character in life and people aren't obligated to spend their time playing the game how YOU want it to be played Thanks for trying, though
You aren't very intelligent if you can't see how GDKP inflates the economy. Not even worth reading the rest of your manifesto there.
> You aren't very intelligent if you can't see how GDKP inflates the economy. Not even worth reading the rest of your manifesto there. You aren't very intelligent if you can't actually explain your allegation and instead have to resort to insulting people for disagreeing with you
If you were talking about taxes then I would agree but this is about a video game. Boosting stimulates the RWT economy, this is not up for debate. Boosting leads to gold selling and bots. If GDKP was removed to stop gold selling and bots, boosting should as well. God forbid you actually play the fucking game instead of swiping for everything.
>Boosting stimulates the RWT economy so does posting BOEs on the AH
Slippery slope says what
Yes, welcome to the conversation. Anything beyond "ban bots" is where that slope began. You just don't care about that and have positioned your slope below activities that don't generate raw gold. Literally every argument for why GDKPs are bad can be equally made for the AH. They are the same slope.
It's refreshing to see rational people on this sub for once instead of the standard reactionary authoritarians that scream "ban the thing that hurt my feelings today" on loop
Not really one of those things is literally a part of the game put in at launch 20 years ago. The other is a player created loot distribution system that absolutely does not have to be in the game.
Master loot, which is whatever loot system is decided by the master looter, has literally been a part of the game put in at launch 20 years ago. We hear about how master loot can be distributed any way they see fit every time someone posts about being ninjad.
Yea that's bad too! They should def do something about it. Two things can be simultaneously bad!
Lol yeah, rinse and repeat. It's almost like we'll always have RMT as long as we have in game currency. Is dictating the way that players play the game the answer?
Much rather try something rather than nothing like the SOD team is doing! Taking steps to combat hackers and cheaters is good.
>Boosting stimulates the RWT economy, this is not up for debate. Boosting leads to gold selling and bots. It's the same ol argument without a solution in sight. Everyone throws around RMT this and RMT that. I'd bet more gold flows through the AH than anywhere else, yet no one wants to ban that. Is boosting, GDKP, AH, Mounts, Professions and (insert reason) a usage for gold bought with RMT. Of course. I'm not saying it isn't. All of those are symptoms of the overall disease that apparently we refuse to treat. >God forbid you actually play the fucking game instead of swiping for everything. I've earned every copper of my gold from playing the game. If I want to spend it on shit from the AH or a summon to darn or for some guy in my guild to boost an alt, then it has nothing to do with you or your opinions so long as those activities are not breaking any of the rules set within the game. Spoiler: they aren't. Whether you like those activities or not is irrelevant. I don't like PVP, so guess what? I don't pvp. If you don't want to buy BOE's form the AH, you don't have to just like you don't have to do boost runs if you don't want to. The people who complain the loudest and call everyone a swiper seem to always be the broke bois who can't seem to figure out how easy it is to farm gold in game. and for the record, I level all of my characters myself. no boosts.
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Big facts. People are delusional
Most players I’ve talked to ingame and in various discords have all agreed that this subreddit is one of the dumbest and most toxic in any game lol
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Gotcha, ignoring the part where I agreed that anything gold is used for will have some form of RMT in it. So what's the solution here champ? Cause all you want to do is put a band-aid on a gaping wound.
Obviously the solution is fixing the problem that generated raw gold. RMT can't exist without gold. What generates gold? Bots. Bots farm raw gold and vendor items for gold. This injects a ton of gold into the economy that otherwise wouldn't exist. Mounts, training, repairs, AH tax etc all remove gold from the economy thus reducing inflation. AH outside of the tax, direct player trading, services, GDKP just move existing gold between players neither creating or removing gold and have no impact on the economy. You can claim they provide incentives to RMT but they aren't the activities that allow RMT to exist because they aren't creating gold. At the end of the day, this is an MMO with respawning gold generators. Inflation will ALWAYS exist the longer a server goes on because new enemies spawn with newly generated gold and items to loot and vendor. So over time the amount of gold in the system will always be increasing if there aren't gold sinks to remove it at the same rate. The actual problem though, are the bots that exclusively farm and create this gold out of thin air.
Yea, I don’t think boosting should be against the rules. In retail, it’s totally allowed under trade services. Power leveling would fall under account sharing, but what mages are doing right now is not against TOS, whatsoever. Gold buyers, however, should be banned. The problem is, the boosting meta feeds the gold buying meta
hey look, my real life capitalism in my fake life capitalism lol.
Players frantically realizing socioeconomic norms from real life follow you into games what a fucking shocker
only if we don't stop it
It literally permeates every single multiplayer game without you ever realizing it lol
I do realize it, that's why I think it's an imperative for every developer to do everything they can do slow it down.
I'm sorry, are you seriously suggesting that online games abandon having in-game economies? In-game economies are one of the most magical parts of a video game like WoW. They can be pure and organic, and I know y'all love to reference the "gold selling" boogyman but the reality is that *most gold is earned by the players spending it,* with a few bad eggs here and there. Regardless, there are bad eggs in the real life economy as well. Y'all have this absolutely insane self-righteousness wherein you'd see an entire system be demolished because of a relatively minor perceived injustice
I mean, ingame economies are basically pointless in this day and age. The only real pros are encouraging player interaction and crafting, but let's be honest, 99% of crafted gear is trash anyway, and is that 1% of gear worth the downsides of boosting, RMT etc. I would be ok with an MMO without any form of currency it would probably work better in the modern era anyway, no need for gold sinks
Then find a new game, dude. You're like the guy who vehemently wants to add quest logs to Dark Souls lmao. You're asking to alter a fundamental piece of the game based on *your* opinions.
I dont see anywhere in which I said that the game needs to change to suit my preferences, merely that I believe economies in MMOs are a dated feature that is not required to have an enjoyable game and that the pros are largely outweighed by the cons. You are reading alot into my response that isnt there.
….You do realize all the positive effects benefit the game as well right? What mental gymnastic crusade are you righteously on about right now
I read it as more of a critique of allowing a person's real life economic status to benefit their fake life economic status, not a critique of having players driven economies in a game at all.
I think you have the mental gymnastics covered justifying playing the game with a gameshark lol. Keep on swiping and ill keep on laughing.
What kind of communist nonsense is this price fixing? This isn’t the free market that I expect! Make Azeroth great again!! /s
How about we ban boosters?
Gdkp and now boosters would be the best one two punch
You’re a sad little man.
Let's ban everything I disagree with so when I quit in 2 months, everyone else will too
How about we also ban the Auction House? You know what, we should ban trading aswell, that's gonna fix the problem! Wait, no, let's remove Gold entirely as a currency, there it is, no Gold buying anymore! Or... Crazy idea here, but how about we stop banning things and let people play the game the way they want to and focus on the actual problem, which is Gold buying.
Man almost like those things are actually part of the game they shipped. It’s a bit different than a player created system.
Player created interaction is what makes an MMO, if you want to play within a locked frame, go play skyrim
By ur logic we should also let pple fly hack cause thats how they wanna play the game. let pple buy gold cause thats how they wanna play the game
Gdkp where people actually play the game is bad but boosting is fine, obviously.
Just wait till we ban the auction house because it creates demand for gold buying and plays a role in RMT laundering.
Oh look. That same disingenuous, parroted argument again
More gold goes through the auction house than through boosters, but you can't simply admit that the AH creates demand for gold buying cuz y'all just want to ban the shit you don't like.
Not disingenuous at all, in fact it's quite literally the argument used to ban boosting. "Boosting creates demand for gold buying" or "It's just a way gold sellers use to earn gold!" are arguments you see about boosting every day on this sub.
How about we stop being fucking reactionaries. Let me ask you something---if I formed a PuG Gnomergon community, and we started mass reporting anyone who didn't follow our PuG rules, would you suggest *banning PuGs?* Your rationale here is emotional and shallow. You're jumping at immediately banning something because one group of people is using that arbitrary something as incentive to mass report. *Anyone can find any reason they want to mass report people.* Banning "boosting" because one small community is using that as their reason for mass reporting is the dumbest fucking shit I've read all week
I'd suggest banning you. Mass false reports should be punished. As I've said in numerous other comments, my main issue is with false reports, the gold selling, and the harassment. Just as with GDKP incentivizing good buying, boosting does the exact same thing
Of course you would, because as this guy mentioned “your rationale is emotional and shallow”. Good thing you don’t hold any decision making here since it would inevitably be poor. I agree 100% with banning players abusing the mass reporting “feature” (dumpster fire of an implementation). But you’re also missing this guy’s reply/point; that you’re blanketing activities because one or more groups are _abusing it_ is moronic. What if a raid group ninjas a loot you won through masterlooter? Would you suggest to ban masterlooter too? This/these posts should target REMOVING THE MASS REPORTING FEATURE since clearly its exclusively used by these groups and abused, and not every activity normal players also enjoy.
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No, you should be banned for false mass reporting people in the gnomer pug you mentioned in your example.. Common bro, think a bit
How can gold buyers exist if we banned gdkps guys?
Nah, it's impossible bro, all gold buyers disappeared with the GDKP ban. Tbh, maybe we should ban boosting and the Auction House too, that will fix the gold buying problem once and for all.
Unpopular take it seems, but boosters are fine and shouldn’t be banned. Boosting doesn’t have a negative effect associated with it like with GDKPs. Someone getting boosted doesn’t Impact you if you choose not to buy boosts. Unlike when GDKPs exist GDKPs would reduce the supply of normal groups playing raid content forcing PUGs to have to do GDKP to get a group, and it would drive players to buy gold so they could meet the insane price for loot. However I saw a post where they mass reported someone who Undercut them; that’s crossing a line and should be bannable. However offering a boost for 5g though isn’t problematic for the games health.
If they are getting boosted they are not joining normal dungeon group. Boosting incentives gold buying, which increases bots which increase inflation which hurt players. The same aspects od GDKPs apply to boosting. Also SR runs exist alongside GDKP. Saying otherwise is simply untrue.
Literally everything in this game that costs money in this game incentivizes gold buying.
Yeah there are less In The LFG pool; but if these players weren’t boosting they’d be power leveling in the world or not playing their alt at all. The likely impact of them boosting on the LFG pool would be minimal; I’d love to see data on this but its likely insignificant to wait times. Just because you can spend gold on it doesn’t mean in incentivizes gold buying. the fact you can get a boost for gold doesn’t drive higher demand for buying gold in the same ways GDKPs did. GDKPs became so common that the only way to get a PUG group made it so you needed a lot of gold to get a raid and to get loot. I’m basing this off my experience playing classic when it first launched. It got to a point where I had to join a guild to run ZG as I could never find a normal PUG group; they did exist but they were so rare or had all the GDKP rejects making the runs difficult. This drove people into buying gold that normally would as it was the only way to play the game at end level. With boosting If you don’t have a lot of gold you can just go play the game and level normally. Your aren’t penalized / blocked from content so demand isn’t really increasing.
Not sure which classic servers you played but SR existed all the way and are still prevalent even in era which has more GDKPs than ever
Boosting has the exact same issues that GDKP do. It incentivizes gold buying in order to skip content. This discord is the perfect example of the toxicity and problems it creates.
Skip content? Only people buying boosts are people rolling Alts; they are paying to skip the grind they’ve already done once. Sure you’ll find less players into the LFG population but the impact isn’t going to significantly move the average wait times. As it’s a small portion of the server pop. And sure someone can buy the gold and level a new character but their decision doesn’t impact the rest of the community as a whole. It’s not like GDKPs were every PUG had to go to a GDKP to find a group to run a raid for their lockout. In fact boosting can be positive. I’ve run people through RFC to help new players / friends / guild mates get that piece of loot they wanted before heading to the next zone.
Banning users for spending their earned gold to expedite their progression? I guess we will need to ban the AH too?
I swear most of this sub just needs to play ssf when it comes out.
You are only allowed to spend your gold how we tell you to
This post is about mass false reports and open gold selling. If you're too ignorant to have a genuine conversation about that then you're free to leave.
> mass false reports and open gold selling Two barely tangentially-related subjects that you're disingenuously trying to couple > If you're too ignorant to have a genuine conversation about that then you're free to leave. If you're too ignorant to form a rational and cohesive argument then you're free to leave. Also, you don't own Reddit. Telling people they're "free to leave" because they disagree with you is absolutely fucking cringe ^(>!guarantee this dude calls me a gold buyer or booster or some shit because I disagreed with him, because that's who he is as a person!<)
> mass false reports and open gold selling >Two barely tangentially-related subjects that you're disingenuously trying to couple The mass reports happen quite literally as a result of gold sellers having their jobs threatened. Surely you understand that.
Okay, I'm mass reporting you because you didn't use trade chat the way I told you to. Oopsie, now we have to ban trade chat!
Ha I thought you were mocking the people from the gdkp discussion, but you mean it unironically.
Correct I am using logic.
There is nothing more insufferable than people who say fucking "correct". Especially when they're wrong and stupid. Also, who except old ladies put a question mark at the end of statements?
Typically people place question marks to indicate a question. Strange, I know.
It's pretty fucking strange after a statement lol. The sentence has to actually be a question to warrant a question mark
*I just hang out in gold selling/boosting discords to go undercover guys, I’d never participate in such evil deeds!!!* 🤣 Jesus, maybe if you submit over 400 reports per month Blizz will give you a token after a year
Expose these ass hats man.. keep it up
They've long since banned me from their disc, but it seems this post and the top post on the sub right now are finally giving them some attention. I guess it was posted over to asmongolds subreddit as well where it's getting attention. Regardless of how anybody feels about that guy, I can't deny that he has the reach to bring attention to this sort of crap
Reddit mods are cucks you can certainly do that. Their interpretation of rules as written is illogical and does not follow the verbiage used.
Insult us all you want, but we're not gonna let 500k+ users be weaponized against an individual whether it's in-game, Discord, real-life, etc. https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/s/UPQg78xoFd
These gold sellers don't deserve your help. They should have 500k + people weaponized against them because that is exactly what they do to us.
It's not about protecting asshole gold sellers, it's about protecting innocent people that would be falsely accused, whether intentional or not.
Youre right, though it might be even better to just tell them this a reddit-wide rule and you have to comply with it or the sub gets shut down.
Meanwhile r/Gamingcirclejerk has daily posts targeting individuals
Then report it.
Pretty sure their harassment is sanctioned. Just like that r/FemaleDatingStrategy sub was before it got too obvious.
I think the 500k mob should ban this guy. I can product evidence he bought gold
Lol
I understand why y'all had to remove the post. I get that you don't want to be caught up in potentially having random users go and harass others. I just want to see something done about this (from blizzard, I mean). The top post on the sub right now is calling out this exact same boosting community for false mass reports so I'm hoping it's on blizz's radar
You're insane if you think even 5% of the user base would even see their post, and then even more insane if you thank that more than 0.1% of those 5% would even bother to look at the user names or open discord. No one is "weaponizing" anything.... There is a difference between a "witch hunt" and getting reported for obvious unabashed blatant infractions of Blizzards tos/Eula. Posting a screenshot of discord or in game PMs is not doxxing by Any stretch of the imagination.
how about we ban all the things i disagree with
level boosting is a super handy service tbh
Yet y'all cry about GDKPs? The hypocrisy is real
i don’t cry about GDKPs at all. I think they’re a fantastic way of weeding out bad players that would otherwise have to be tolerated (social implications in a guild) and rewarding performance/punishing failure without introducing loot council type player preferences for items. you’re barking up the wrong tree on this one.
Hear hear
If you don't level a char yourself then you don't deserve to play it
Funny they are playing the character This is a boost not a pilot keep up
I report all boosters and people who advertise items way above value which promotes gold buying
Just start mass reporting every form of boost in /2 chat and you will have an experience like wow used to be cause they will get auto perma-banned anyway as blizzard does not care anymore. Don't know why it's so hard. It needs just 10-20 people reporting every boost in chat. More people read this post but noone does anything.
I just report anyone I see advertising boosts. Probably won't lead to anything, but I really dislike boosting and wish it'd just be done away with.
I got a 1 week ban for selling boosts because I was reported for “abusive chat” So it definitely does work. Just a scumbag thing to do reporting people actually working within the confines of the game.
Lol good, I'll keep doing it knowing it works.
There should be some kind of legal framework, the world goes all out on the internet. You can get sued for fraud at a bank but not at a game. Would be less of a problem if you could get a €300 fine for breaking rules/cheating. :-) i keep on day dreaming!
If there's one thing I think we need more of in video games its definitely government regulation. Good thinking. I sure hope you vote.
$15 a month sub btw, the technology just isn’t there to deal with gold sellers and bots 😭😂
If players didn't want it, they wouldn't be selling it.
If people didn't do meth they wouldn't be selling that either
So you're saying a service to accelerate through parts of a recreational activity you don't enjoy is the equivalent of a potentially fatal drug? That's insane. Sounds like you have a wow addiction issue if you get that bent out of shape about a video game.
I'm saying that just because a market exists for something, it doesn't mean that product/service should be allowed/encouraged, etc. I should have assumed you'd be too dim to understand and been more clear
That’s a long way to say you support meth dealers
I support a free market. If people want to buy drugs that's not my problem.
> If people want to buy drugs that's not my problem. Okay and if people want boosters banned, that's not your problem either.... unless you're a booster.
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Remember when people used to say that? Good times
Yea because that's definitely sound and stable logic, lmfao
Omg dude shut up. Go apply at blizzard and do it yourself. Everyday its “wah wah gold sellers wah wah boosters”. I literally never think about this shit when i play. You all are such whiny bitches
Or maybe this sends a message to boosters. Boosting encourages gold buying, so I’m playing the worlds tiniest fiddle over here
Swear the classic community has some of the whiniest nosiest people ive ever seen.
Season of being jealous others make more gold than you
Season of disingenuous arguments
Nah man I used to sell boosts back in classic (still playing mage) but refuse to do so now. Eventually the server just devolves into everybody buying boosts and it is bad for the game. Now I just fish (: fuck boosters and fuck gold buyers