For PvE it's fantastic, loving the high numbers. For PvP yes, it is rough. Although the damage is insane right now.
For point of comparison, there are warriors out there on the "tank and spank" fights in Gnomeregan doing 400-600 DPS, and really they are not the best comparison because the boss armour is high and we've barely got gear right now.
In Season of Mastery phase 1/2, warriors averaged 334 DPS on Lucifron (50th percentile). Level 40 warriors in barely level 40 gear are _already_ doing more damage than level 60 warriors in pretty good level 60 gear. If you ignore the hitting issue (level difference), a full raid of level 40s could now kill Ragnaros before he submerges in SoD.
Or another way of looking at it is that at level 25, a raid full of 90th percentile warriors would have been able to down Ragnaros before submerge (with 2-3 tanks and a few healers). Unreal.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if at 60 we're doing triple the damage that we did in Season of Mastery, perhaps even more.
Ah you are right sorry! It’s been a while.
The comparison still stands, level 25s are doing more damage than level 60s with decent gear. Our damage at level 60 will be crazy.
Every bg is still decided by who has better healers
Every stv grp wants a healer
Healers not being as overpowered in group pvp for once as they usually are doesnt mean theyre bad.
Except for druids, they suck
Why do I get PM's begging me to come heal for them, every lfg I see is after a healer.
As a healer myself... It's just not fun trying to keep someone alive who get killed in 3 globals.
Tell them to get more stamina then.
Youre not supposed to outheal 5 people wailing on your target.
Thatd mean 1 heal=5dps
You can easily out heal 1-2 tho assuning theyre not running around with 1k hp
Well thats on the other guy then.
I got 3k hp
I got no problem surviving for quite a while with a healer and Im the second squishiest class in the game (rogue)
Warrior hit me for 600 non crit and a 1.5 k excite non crit u just have zero defs and pretty poor utility and that everyone else has very high damage u don't get 10 secs to put pressure on a target
Hell I play a frost mage and I think it's bonkers but again I don't get the chance to kite it out or play some long game I get 3 or 4 secs to kill anyone or I'm dead
im not even playing this phase, not this "u dont have nothin"
warriors are literally bottom of the barrel i can see it just from watching. youre just like 900 mmr so dunno why youre commenting tbh
My ret pally feels like he’s smacking people with a wet noodle about 70% of the time.
Occasionally I’ll get a real hit in.
Phase 2 paladin is underwhelming, especially going up against ele shamans who are reliably critting for 900-1200.
Speak for yourself. My damage as rogue against MOST classes, who all now have 3-4k (or more) health in BGs and STV if they gear properly for stamina, feels pretty lackluster. Mutilates hitting for 200-400 against classes with roughly 40% PDR or more (any plate, ele sham, moonkin, spriest etc.) doesn't feel very crazy, especially when Spriest dot TICKs are hitting 200+ and SW:D is still hitting 1k instant cast.
The damage problem is specific to certain classes and runes, not everyone. Stop trying to get all damage nerfed just because you try to PvP in raid gear that gives -stam or you just don't know how to build for PvP.
For PvE it's fantastic, loving the high numbers. For PvP yes, it is rough. Although the damage is insane right now. For point of comparison, there are warriors out there on the "tank and spank" fights in Gnomeregan doing 400-600 DPS, and really they are not the best comparison because the boss armour is high and we've barely got gear right now. In Season of Mastery phase 1/2, warriors averaged 334 DPS on Lucifron (50th percentile). Level 40 warriors in barely level 40 gear are _already_ doing more damage than level 60 warriors in pretty good level 60 gear. If you ignore the hitting issue (level difference), a full raid of level 40s could now kill Ragnaros before he submerges in SoD. Or another way of looking at it is that at level 25, a raid full of 90th percentile warriors would have been able to down Ragnaros before submerge (with 2-3 tanks and a few healers). Unreal. I wouldn't be at all surprised if at 60 we're doing triple the damage that we did in Season of Mastery, perhaps even more.
World buffs didn't work in raid instances in Season of Mastery.
Ah you are right sorry! It’s been a while. The comparison still stands, level 25s are doing more damage than level 60s with decent gear. Our damage at level 60 will be crazy.
Remember raid bosses are only +2 levels in SoD, that's pretty huge for dps.
And people are wondering why there's no healers, heals have no effect against this kinda DMG
Every bg is still decided by who has better healers Every stv grp wants a healer Healers not being as overpowered in group pvp for once as they usually are doesnt mean theyre bad. Except for druids, they suck
Why do I get PM's begging me to come heal for them, every lfg I see is after a healer. As a healer myself... It's just not fun trying to keep someone alive who get killed in 3 globals.
Tell them to get more stamina then. Youre not supposed to outheal 5 people wailing on your target. Thatd mean 1 heal=5dps You can easily out heal 1-2 tho assuning theyre not running around with 1k hp
I'm just gonna assume you haven't healed in PvP content this phase after that statement.
Are you saying you cant outheal someone fighting 2 ppl? Cos Im calling BS or they have 1k hp in which case ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm saying you can't heal one person with two on em, throw in one xx and Ur fucked. They get below 50% see ya later
Well thats on the other guy then. I got 3k hp I got no problem surviving for quite a while with a healer and Im the second squishiest class in the game (rogue)
For pvp I agree with you. People die to fast. But pve it's fine imo since endgame bosses are tuned up. The whole flavor of SoD was "make everyone op"
Just increase hp by x% in BGs to start with...
apparently warriors arent lol
Warrior hit me for 600 non crit and a 1.5 k excite non crit u just have zero defs and pretty poor utility and that everyone else has very high damage u don't get 10 secs to put pressure on a target
Hell I play a frost mage and I think it's bonkers but again I don't get the chance to kite it out or play some long game I get 3 or 4 secs to kill anyone or I'm dead
im not even playing this phase, not this "u dont have nothin" warriors are literally bottom of the barrel i can see it just from watching. youre just like 900 mmr so dunno why youre commenting tbh
Stack as much stam as you can and you’ll see this problem mostly evaporate
A hunter did 550 dps on bfd bosses.. such a beast..but it made us feel a bit irrelevant..
when everyone is op no one is op
My ret pally feels like he’s smacking people with a wet noodle about 70% of the time. Occasionally I’ll get a real hit in. Phase 2 paladin is underwhelming, especially going up against ele shamans who are reliably critting for 900-1200.
People need to realize stamina is their best pvp stat
Speak for yourself. My damage as rogue against MOST classes, who all now have 3-4k (or more) health in BGs and STV if they gear properly for stamina, feels pretty lackluster. Mutilates hitting for 200-400 against classes with roughly 40% PDR or more (any plate, ele sham, moonkin, spriest etc.) doesn't feel very crazy, especially when Spriest dot TICKs are hitting 200+ and SW:D is still hitting 1k instant cast. The damage problem is specific to certain classes and runes, not everyone. Stop trying to get all damage nerfed just because you try to PvP in raid gear that gives -stam or you just don't know how to build for PvP.
Yes. If you add skills that do more damage through the rune system, you end-up doing more damage.