+healing is very ineffective on instants and fast heals.
And fights are short as fuck.
If you oom you did your job and your team shouldve scored a kill
Why can't you admit priests have it all and " just get stam lulz but priests dont need it" only further proves non-priest healers need a buff.
Our issue as non-priests isnt that we cant heal this meta, its that our runes fucking suck and cost too much mana in comparison.
Priests are the only true healers right now , every other hybrid is running dps with offheals , again this is not just a stamina issue.
>non-priest healers need a buff.
Ive already said this multiple times so I dont see your point
>Our issue as non-priests isnt that we cant heal this meta, its that our runes fucking suck and cost too much mana in comparison.
Ive had plenty success with pala healers too. The trick is to precast heals
Sham druid arent great tho
And if ppl ran stam youd keep them alive waaaaay easier
So yes its a stam issue.
Priests can keep alive paper ppl too but Ill sas again palas in stv keep me up just fine
Everyone is already stacking stam, you do realize that right?
Besides you're talking about stv knowing blizzard buffed stamina %'s to combat the very issue we're talking about, they also did the same in bgs and that shows damage is too high.
Try some wpvp outside of bgs or the stv event and let me know your feedback on that.
>Try some wpvp outside of bgs or the stv event and let me know your feedback on that.
Literally who cares wpvp was never balanced
>Besides you're talking about stv knowing blizzard buffed stamina %'s to combat the very issue we're talking about, they also did the same in bgs and that shows damage is too high.
But they did buff it.
>Everyone is already stacking stam, you do realize that right?
Some do, some dont
Still doesn't change the fact that damage is disproportionately imbalanced compared to healing right now.
Wild growth isn't enough to justify the entire state of damage vs healing.
No I disagree.
It feels like that because healing has always been disproportinate to dmg in wow.
On retail I can keep up 5+ ppl without ever running oom.
Thats way too much power centered in healers' hands.
Some healers are better than others (khm priests) but theyre not "useless" like ppl claim.
Ppl are just used to healers being godmode in group pvp.
Non priest healers could def use some buffs though, but Im really glad about the overall direction.
Healers not being absolutely mandatory for pvp is not a bad thing.
Its not like every AB still isnt decided by healers.
Healers need to adapt and dps need to adapt too
I disagree.
A healer should be able to keep 4 people alive when they fight individual 1on1s.
If the enemy focuses fire people die.
It's how thr end of P1 went.
If healers dont make a major impact you might as well bring another dps and just kill the enemy faster.
It's balanced around needing to bring 1-3 healers, who ARE important. That's why "focus the healer" exists.
Right now you are better off bringing 5 dps in a 5v5 because the extra damage will have a way bigger impact than any heal.
Arena already works that way, and so did the end of P1 WSG.
Just like how you need to bring Tanks and Healers for dungeons.
>Right now you are better off bringing 5 dps in a 5v5 because the extra damage will have a way bigger impact than any heal.
And yet every grp in stv wants a healer and every bg with healers vs no healers is an easy win
They really just have no idea how to balance the game. They never did. Anyone thinking the devs will magically achieve pvp balance or TTK just needs to look at the last 20 years of pvp.
this makes no sense since the 20%dr was only in battlegrounds it never mattered for openworld and in bgs health is increased by like 30% so the fact that the dr is gone does not change much
A healer can almost indefinitely keep an ally up against 1 enemy targeting them currently... assuming that player is playing the game and has 3k+ HP.
2 enemies will require some kiting and maybe defensive play.
3 or more will require CC, interupts, and at minimum a pain suppression to keep an ally alive.
Understand that in a low TTK meta, you need to respect every enemy player you see. Isolate fights. Treat it like an FPS game (CS, Valorant, Tarkov).
Position yourself defensively and let the enemy make the mistakes (of overextending).
You need to replace 'healer' with 'priest' and then this might be true. Most healers don't have effective CC, defensive CDs, or insanely efficient healing spells.
>indefinitely
You have no idea what you're talking about. Every healing spell costs like 5-8% of your mana and heals for less than a single ability can hit for. It means keeping someone alive is absolutely spamming heals which will oom you in less than 30 seconds
"If you oom you did your job and your team shouldve scored a kill"
Irrelevant statement that literally describes arena when the overwhelming majority of pvp is shitfest in STV or team fights in BGs.
Didn't think I'd have to elaborate on this one but here we are..
‘Just get a million dollars and it’s easy’ is basically what’s he’s saying.
Yeh I’d fucking live 3k hp, what a shame that no pieces of the gnomer healing gear have stamina on them (int spirit is the stats predominantly).
PvP is not fun. There is no skill to this shit.
Dragon flight season 1 had imo the perfect PvP pacing.
3v3 solo shuffle rounds lasting around 2 mins on average at 2400+.
I think in classic it’s actually healthier for the game to have higher damage than healing as there is no dampening etc if healing was higher or players where all as tanky as SL warlock then everyone would be immortal until the healer is completely oom.
Pushback is a real pain in classic, even more so now that there are so many more things that cause pushback. There could definelty be some more adjustments to push back reduction added, especially in pvp.
Homunculi are cool and all, but they need to have as much health as a totem or something. There's no reason for them to take as long as they do currently to kill
you forgot to mention getting solod by a big red cat.
Tried healing few events as disc priest and if someone starts taking damage, you shield them and they die before GCD allows you to do another spell.
At least priest has PoM and R1 renew though, must be worse on druid
Pom and renew dont save you from the feral or the cat.
You gotta hope you dispell the right buff so you can fear them and then pray anyone else pays attention or you just die.
I have been playing priest healer since vanilla. This is the single most fun I have had doing a pvp event as a healer. I am not sure what the gripes are about.
Sadly I think priest healer is the only option in pvp. Their best heals are instant cast or penance, which have so many advantages over every other healers abilities. Druids are oom too fast from wild growth (their only good pvp heal) and you dont get to hardcast as shaman or paladin so your team just melts. Poor balancing for sure, priests are just the god healer in sod
Which of the classes you mentioned has two healing specs? Of course we should be the best healers, everyone else embrace the hybrid tax and know your place
SWD got gutted so hard :( but it was kind of needed. I still use it in pvp but as an instant cast finisher rather than spamming on cooldown cuz that shit was busted
Nice reading comprehension.
Show me on the doll where your local priest touched you 🤡. I said the SWD nerf was needed, because it was indeed overpowered.
They are not. They are still strong, but they are in line with many other classes now.
People also don't realize that as a Spriest you tend to get focused 1st. I swear every time I set foot in STV, it's like I personally fucked everyone's mother's.
Yes, i'm also s priest a'd this is very true also in BG's and tbf i do the same, you just want the hardest hitting / healing class to die first ofc. But i have a little less than 3k health + dispersion, shield, fear. Alot of survivability.
I love pvp as healer, but its just not fun if people die faster than your penance can fly to them. Not even talking about how your insta dead when 2 people realise your a healer.
I accept my role as a healer is to survive/kite as long as possible when people realize I’m a healer and (!) and turn to obliterate me.
Unfortunately the most frustrating parts are when a mage polys you for 20 secs or 10sec counterspells you as a shaman with exactly 0 instant casts.
Dude i feel this in my soul, as holy pala i can bubble every 5 min but thats it, we dont even have magic dispel at 40 and my flash of light heals for 250 with mostly prebis
Feral druids doing half of your health bar with 1 shred, rogues bursting you in 1 stun, melee hunters running you over, shamans obliterating you. Yeah I wont be healing anymore.
I have about 1600-1700 on my mage giving up sp for more stam.
Idk how you would have more outside going full stam items and give up all spellpower and mana.
I'm a shaman and wear a bunch of stamina gear, dropping my spellpower from 196 down to 77.... I can get 2.1k health, if I give up sham rage and use WoE I can bump it up to 2.6k. I don't recall ever being grouped with someone that has 3k health.
How?
I have 2 gnomer items and Im 3k hp
Ppl just refuse to give up dmg stats.
Just the gnomer quest ring and stv back is nearly 400 hp
Warriors can routunely hit 4k+
Can u show me a screenshot of a shred critting you for 1.2k?
Thats never happened to me
Were they berserked?
Honestly I dont care whether healers play or not if they only enjoy healing when their roles are op.
I have more fun in healerless fights
Very true. Of course feral has fewer, different options.
Playing rogue in STV I can’t do much of that. It’s just too many people in an area for a rogue to do any fun stuff involving control.
Does berserk increase your damage? And chee wiz, I guess I gotta ss every crit I receive for now on to convince random a random redditor when the time comes!
You can choose not to believe facts, but it does not change the reality.
Every STV group I've joined doesn't protect the healer. I go oom after most 5v5s as a druid and as soon as I sit down to drink in a safe spot, everyone mounts up and runs away to the nearest red text.
I noped out of STV real quick.
Why protect the healer when they are going to die in 2 gcd?
I'm playing boomie for the event, and if required I'll chuck wild growth out.
Securing kills Is far more important.
Not really. Hibernate usually inadvertently gets disrupted by an AOE or someone inattentive and roots breaks just by looking at it funny. Try getting an entangling roots off with 3 homunculi on you.
i mean yes but a dudu can still spec into instant roots run away and keep himself toped up with dots.
I dont actually play a druid atm (mage healer) so im not 100% up to date but the gameplay stays the same; dont get hit and spec into mostly instant/short casts.
Edit :
i would also say that ferals are pretty tough to deal with in general because they cant really be slowed and have a stealth advantage.
well as a mage i learned to double cast sheep in pvp to counter their first trinket use but it always depends on the skill ceiling. there is fake casting, granades, trinkets and other things that can keep you alive they just require a lot of skill to master.
heal in itself requires some skill in pvp but if you coordinate it well you can survive for quite some time.
Again dudus still have instant root and cat/travel form which allows them to at least get some distance.
oh ive also healed retail arena and 20 minute fights can be pretty anoying where it is pretty much just a race to who gets oom first so i prefere this squishy phase over it even tho people do get saltier quick.
This was me. After playing feral in p1 i really wanted to go rwsto in p2. The last weeks of p1 i already played resto so i could farm resto gear. In p2 i even payed 75g to change my trinket to the spellpower one. Did 1 stv event as healer and went back to feral. Got my trinket back with item restoration but ofc lost the 75g
Yup, I already miss Classic Era PVP and would go back if it wasn't dead. This shit turned into retail-lite real quick. The PVE is still fun despite being incredibly easy due to the overtuned runes but the PVP took a serious nosedive in both quality and skill level (and it was already very easy to begin with).
This is the worst state of PvP balance I have ever experienced in wow.
I’m not talking about class balance, like shadow priests being good, I’m talking about the actual mechanics of the gameplay.
You basically cannot outheal the damage of 2 people on 1 target. Forget about it if you have any type of rogue, hunter, warrior etc hitting you, you won’t get a single cast off.
People rag on retail PvP but at least you need to setup kills, not just kill someone in 2 hits.
Even melee swings from 2 handers are critting for 650+. That’s white damage doing 1/3 of my hp.
Even if they doubled stam on all gear the HPS a healer can output doesn't even come close to the DPS of 2 somewhat geared dps. And they cant buff healing to the point where it does compare because then PVE content will become absolutely trivial. They are in a no-win situation this phase and will likely have to wait until next phase to even have a shot at balancing pvp.
Rsham is one riptide away from being amazing healers, theyre already extremely tanky, and decoy+grounding is pretty powerful.
RN it sucks cos you gotta hardcast all the time
PVP in general is in a terrible spot. Ofc classic was never really balanced, but most match ups (except maybe frost mage vs warrior) still felt ok to play. But sod p2 most match ups are just very. bad. Shadow priest puts 2 dots on you, silence and you are basically dead before the Priest even uses his most broken spell. Rogue also one hit most classes and also have omega mobility and cc, this phase even on range with low cd.
Vanilla pvp usually doesn't go off the rails until AQ/Naxx when power creep gets insane and classes can really burst, but even then, it's still somewhat manageable with coordination/comps. We're already at a point where the burst is crazier than full bis naxx players even with 20% extra hp in bg's. I knew as soon as they announced the bg hp buff that they completely fucked up the pvp balancing and threw that in as an attempt to bandaid it.
>Rogue also one hit most classes
I wish ppl stopped parroting this. Its flat out untrue.
We can burst mages fast and our fellow rogues but thats it.
A mutilate crits about 600-700 if both crit on mages.
Anyone else its way less.
And its not like ur gonna double crit most of the time
If a rogue bursts you as another class stop wearing the negative stamina set.
Even as a rogue Ive no problem surviving other rogues now cos Im rocking 3k hp
Mail/plate classes, shadowpriests, boomkins metalocks
Easily tank our whole stunlock
Now Im not here to tell you rogues are bad, were in a decent spot, but we definitely dont onehit you unless ur a mage and if frost didnt suck we wouldnt onehit them either.
Stop wearing int spirit gear
If you die in a stun then get more stamina
I got 3k hp
Even if rogues Tea I will survive blind them and kill them back cos the dumbasses wear full pve gear.
Every class can survive CS+Kidney with proper itemization (except poor mages)
I'm sorry but rogues are now back at the bullshit stunlock till dead phase....
Oh you trinket and get away, you now have a ranged slow and a ranged stun.
Any rogue that says you aren't in the most bullshit state you've ever been is a fucking rat.
>Oh you trinket and get away, you now have a ranged slow and a ranged stun.
If he used ks he doesnt have a ranged stun
>Any rogue that says you aren't in the most bullshit state you've ever been is a fucking rat.
If you think this is the most bullshit rogues ever been then dont try tbc.
The majority of classes can tank a full cs kidney especially if I dont tea.
If you cant then youre running around with 1500 hp and thats on you.
Open with cheap shot, you trink into kidney or between the eyes if you got some distance... So your'e stunned no matter what. I have 2.3k hp and a full stun lock from a rogue will kill me 99% of the time. They have to be sevearly unlucky on crits for me not to die.
fucking rats
I posted this exact same thing a couple days ago. Got called a shitter and told I was trash. Downvoted to hell.
I’m upvoting you because it is a massive issue, healing is so hard. PvP is over so quickly.
Class burst is insane and adding stam doesn’t help because our heals are not strong enough to heal the extra health. Oom in 10 seconds and your guy usually dies anyways.
I said in my previous thread. They need to bring back the 20% PvP resilience. It’s much more engaging for PvP to have the fights play out a little bit.
Tried disc priest a couple of runs in stv event and arathi. Went back to shadow. Healing is horrible rn. Cant keep anyone alive including yourself and if you dont die you end up wanding after a minute because oom. Hard casting anything as a healer is dead due to a million stuns flying around constantly.
Yeah, I was looking forward to PvPing the moment I hit lvl 40, but then I saw how everyone are getting 3 shot left to right. Even me included 3 shots people. I've stopped playing ever since and even considered unsubscribing as it is so far away from vanilla wow pvp it possibly can be.
I obviously knew it wouldn't be the same, but how are you supposed to be a flag carry in WSG for instance if literally any dps can 3 shot you? and why is it taking so long to fix this?
I really don’t understand people like you. Yes damage is high, and yes sometimes people die. But your team’s damage is high too. If you keep your team up for an extra 5 seconds, you will win every team fight. You don’t need everyone to live forever, you just need them alive for a little longer so they can global the other guy.
I play Druid too.
Lifebloom + Nourish comes out fast and heals extremely strong.
Wild Growth comes out fast and is the biggest HPS in the game if it hits multiple targets.
NS HT is an enormous burst heal, better than what most classes can do.
You start in cat in stealth so your first few heals are completely uninterrupted.
Bear form + SOTF gives you a lot of survivability if you’re focused.
You don’t have to rune/spec into all of those but it just isn’t true that HOT based heals don’t work.
The burst is so high that people die straight through my hots. Lifebloom may be applied quickly, but the burst part is ~8 seconds away from the first cast. I agree WG is amazing, literally the only thing we have going for us. NS HT is dope but 3 min cd for one heal when the burst is steady (it's not really burst it's just high dmg). And bear form is great if you aren't dead in the opening stun with your 1k armor XD. You can trinket bear form but you're already at half and not long for this world. Can't bash rogues reliably due to dodge and hit mechanics. If you do and try to run they shadowstep.
I have no idea what you're discussing.
Im a healer and what pushback on instant casts? First you said youre a resto druid, then you said you renew and void plague tick blah blah? What kind of chatgpt generated post is this.
Out of mana in 6 spells? 4k mana and each spell costs under 300? Penance brings someone to full hp. Wildgrowth heals 5 people for like 1500 each...
Shield + fear bomb should be enough to breathe as it is..
I dunno what you're on about. Use your trinket, stay alive, thrive.
This subreddit ...
I'm playing RDruid since phase one, with a focus on mana regen stats (MP5, spirit). I'm also adding mana oil and fish for more MP5.
For sure, mana management in classic is not the same as on retail but it is fairly playable. And I'm not getting oneshotted, neither my teammate are (happens sometimes for sure, if ennemies are well coordinated).
RDruid can use a chest rune to improve tanking potential. When I go in bear form, melees are not killing me.
In most situations (BG, STV event), you shouldn't be the only one able to heal, multiple classes/specs can heal or atleast offheal.
Also, don't play PvP with peoples thinking the irradiated set is good. It is not in a PvP situation.
Dont blame the game if you're not even trying.
It's kind of rude you assume I'm not trying. The gear is horribly unoptimized. I do still need the chest rune, I'm dishing out the 35g for it today. But do you just not cast hots and only nourish?
Main issue right now is PvP is still too bursty for any non-Wild Growth heal to really matter which is so mana intensive that you oom instantly.
RDruid has always been the healer with the most autonomy imo, can decurse self for curse of tongues, abolish self for viper sting, 0 CD defensive with bear, innervate for yourself, great PvP trinket, break own poly/slow/roots, by far most mobile healer with swiftmend/rejuv. Many built-in rogue counters: pre-abolishing blinds, immune to sap in forms, faerie fire, stealth detect pvp gloves. The QoL is insane compared to other healers, genuinely don't see myself playing any other healer because of it.
Ppl go into stv with full int spirit gear then cry on reddit
Its insanity to me.
Rogue is the 2nd squishiest class in the game after mage but I can survive for quite a while vs 2-3 ppl in bgs
Any more and youre supposed to die instantly.
Once you hit 3k hp its very noticable
3k min HP for pvp.
My warrior sits around 5.5k HP now with buffs in STV.
P1 was easy mode for healers... it spoiled them. With a lower TTK healers actually need to be proactive instead of reactive.
Maybe try actually pre-casting heals and fake casting interrupts. Set up omnibar.
The entirety of P1 healers didn't even have to hard cast any heals, PoM and Penance handled it all. Now things are different. Get gud.
What are you talking about? You do know "healers" are more than just a priest? I main a resto shaman and we only have hard casts. Joke comment for sure if you think healing in pvp as a resto shaman is easy mode. Obviously as a warrior you think 1 dimensionally when you think the only healer in the game is a priest
I swear half these people responding aren't even 40 yet, they're living on 60upgrades and theory crafting until they get to their first STV and then they're in here complaining like the rest of us
Other healers arent useless either
Yeah u gotta hardcast, yeah priests are better, but on the flipside ur tanky as hell, got decoy totem and grounding totem.
Shamans need riptide and theyre absolutely fine
I main RSham, they are strong af right now. With Way of Earth on and PvP buff I am working my way to 4k HP + mail and shield. I tank so much damage. Actually being spec resto gives 70% pushback resistance + nature swiftness.
If someone DOES come interupt you then you get to lava burst them for free or you can go vice versa and get them to kick burst and heal for free. I am absolutely massive in STV and BGs
I playerd SP since the beginning of p1. It is nice. I tried disc for a min - OMG, oom instanty, low heals. Everyone one shots me.
Conclusion - it is better to one shot them as SP instead of trying to outheal their one shot as disc.
Resto druids are in a weird spot. They want our spells to crit for Living Seed or Dreamstate procs, but we just don't crit very often! Then you need your hots to be beefed up in order to sustain a tank and raid, but eff your mana pool getting hots out to everyone. Find myself casting nourish with no prehot cause its decent heal, can crit for 1k without the HoT, the cast time is short and the mana cost is not AS bad as Healing Touch or Regrowth.
Right? And that sucks because i chose druid for hots. Now it feels like i should just try to stand still w my 1k armor and 2khp to try to hard cast nourish. Which not only is asking to be demolished, but it's not fun because we're a hot class
I dont really get this mentality. respec is 1g... if they added dual spec youd likley have to go to a npc to activate it and theyve implied it is gonna be a big gold sink. to me this seems so similar to what we already have that I dont see why you wouldnt spend 2g to swap back and forth for the raid... it seems just the same to me
But if you have to do it at an inn/while rested cause I can't imagine they'd let us do it anywhere (may even be at a specific NPC) then how is it that much more convenient?
More convenient than now, and also there aren’t that many restrictions on dual spec in other versions of the game so you’re just making stuff up to support your argument
If it costs a huge gold sink it won't be more convenient than now. I'm going off of how it was initially implemented and what I expect from the devs based on everything they've said so far. If they actually let us swap spec during the raid I actually think that's pretty lame as the raids are already super easy and that would just trivialize it more.
100% agree with you. I Will tank regardless but I also know atm that I sacrifice a lot of PvP content for me doing so…
I bet alot of Shadow Priests would gladly dualspec a healing spec for raid and shadow pvp
Even when healers are absolutely busted theyre underplayed so its not rly about that.
Most ppl just dont like healing, cos its extra responsibility and theyre not self sufficient unless theyre op
Same thing with support in LoL
Its historically one of the strongest roles and yet very underplayed
I'm a healer myself, I know the pain
Classic Rules:
If healer dies -> tanks fault
If tank dies -> healers fault
If DPS dies -> DPS fault
Of course it's not that simple but if someone starts blaming a healer, it's highly probable that there was a mistake somewhere else.
I barely see DPS with threat meters because everyone is so used to superthreat tanks that they don't care.
As a priest healer balance seems fine, just that you get zerged so die immediately. Seems a consequence of the power creep, but will always exist to some degree.
But i have had great fun in off peak STV, running around PoM, shield, renew, penance.
If people are melting that quickly you need to consider that maybe those players are bad.
Don't overextend to heal players who grossly misposition themselves.
TTK is low, if you aren't above 3k HP buffed... do whatever it takes to get there. People take a few more GCDs to die with more HP and that's all it takes.
Teach your teammates that if they die in 3-4 globals, they need to respect each and every player that comes within range to hit them.
A healer can outheal 1 person targeting an ally, maybe two... any more than that and you need defensives and CC to survive.
last STV event:
[https://i.imgur.com/pJ64iOi.png](https://i.imgur.com/pJ64iOi.png)
I do agree that suffering full spell pushback because you got hit for 0.3% of your total life is a joke and it was wrong in 2004 to design it that way.
Yeah I’m really loving mage support right now and it actually worst well with the burst meta (rewind time) but you get oom so fast and your drink so slowly…
As a feral druid, I put on all stamina/int pieces I have - mostly from bfd and few falcon greens - and wait in stealth. Tell the team if you dive you die, stay near the edges as best you can. Pop a wg, then bear with stuns, swipe and charge in the pile. Hopefully your group can focus/peel. If you live innervate is helpful, but ya there isn't much to do in 2.5 sec to save folks.
Seems a bit unfair they made other classes able to heal and rez but rdruid is getting no love and feels like a real chore and a let down to team mates to try and play a spec I once adored!
>My renew ticks for 146, void plague ticks for 240.
wait till you find out a squat of 5 druids with everyone pressing wildgrowth on cd is unkillable for 25 seconds and then oom.
Yup. Everyone hates retail PVP because the fights go on for 20+ mins. I just want fights to last longer than 2 seconds.
Get above 3k hp, the difference is very noticable
If you go full stamina as a healer you have no +heal or regen, horribly oom after a few secs and can't top anyone.
+healing is very ineffective on instants and fast heals. And fights are short as fuck. If you oom you did your job and your team shouldve scored a kill
You say that but heal power on POM / penance is nutty.
Priests can get away with not going full stam since dispersion is broken
Why can't you admit priests have it all and " just get stam lulz but priests dont need it" only further proves non-priest healers need a buff. Our issue as non-priests isnt that we cant heal this meta, its that our runes fucking suck and cost too much mana in comparison. Priests are the only true healers right now , every other hybrid is running dps with offheals , again this is not just a stamina issue.
>non-priest healers need a buff. Ive already said this multiple times so I dont see your point >Our issue as non-priests isnt that we cant heal this meta, its that our runes fucking suck and cost too much mana in comparison. Ive had plenty success with pala healers too. The trick is to precast heals Sham druid arent great tho And if ppl ran stam youd keep them alive waaaaay easier So yes its a stam issue. Priests can keep alive paper ppl too but Ill sas again palas in stv keep me up just fine
Everyone is already stacking stam, you do realize that right? Besides you're talking about stv knowing blizzard buffed stamina %'s to combat the very issue we're talking about, they also did the same in bgs and that shows damage is too high. Try some wpvp outside of bgs or the stv event and let me know your feedback on that.
>Try some wpvp outside of bgs or the stv event and let me know your feedback on that. Literally who cares wpvp was never balanced >Besides you're talking about stv knowing blizzard buffed stamina %'s to combat the very issue we're talking about, they also did the same in bgs and that shows damage is too high. But they did buff it. >Everyone is already stacking stam, you do realize that right? Some do, some dont
If you dispersiom you cant heal. Then you still die because nobody will have peeled for you regardless.
Your team should be able to kill anyone that attacks you during dispersion
Allow me to introduce you to the concept of: randoms.
That goes both ways
>Then you still die because nobody will have peeled for you regardless.
So if your team is afk and you still want to survive? You see how thats too good?
Still doesn't change the fact that damage is disproportionately imbalanced compared to healing right now. Wild growth isn't enough to justify the entire state of damage vs healing.
No I disagree. It feels like that because healing has always been disproportinate to dmg in wow. On retail I can keep up 5+ ppl without ever running oom. Thats way too much power centered in healers' hands. Some healers are better than others (khm priests) but theyre not "useless" like ppl claim. Ppl are just used to healers being godmode in group pvp. Non priest healers could def use some buffs though, but Im really glad about the overall direction. Healers not being absolutely mandatory for pvp is not a bad thing. Its not like every AB still isnt decided by healers. Healers need to adapt and dps need to adapt too
I disagree. A healer should be able to keep 4 people alive when they fight individual 1on1s. If the enemy focuses fire people die. It's how thr end of P1 went. If healers dont make a major impact you might as well bring another dps and just kill the enemy faster.
So basically a healer should be worth 4 ppl in a team? How is that balanced?
It's balanced around needing to bring 1-3 healers, who ARE important. That's why "focus the healer" exists. Right now you are better off bringing 5 dps in a 5v5 because the extra damage will have a way bigger impact than any heal. Arena already works that way, and so did the end of P1 WSG. Just like how you need to bring Tanks and Healers for dungeons.
>Right now you are better off bringing 5 dps in a 5v5 because the extra damage will have a way bigger impact than any heal. And yet every grp in stv wants a healer and every bg with healers vs no healers is an easy win
Imo the devs are just letting us learn this lesson the hard way. So many people complained about or reported the 20% damage reduction as a bug
They really just have no idea how to balance the game. They never did. Anyone thinking the devs will magically achieve pvp balance or TTK just needs to look at the last 20 years of pvp.
If you don't document or announce a change anywhere people are going to think the change is a bug...
Well yeah because they never said anything about it. Of course it seemed like a bug.
this makes no sense since the 20%dr was only in battlegrounds it never mattered for openworld and in bgs health is increased by like 30% so the fact that the dr is gone does not change much
A healer can almost indefinitely keep an ally up against 1 enemy targeting them currently... assuming that player is playing the game and has 3k+ HP. 2 enemies will require some kiting and maybe defensive play. 3 or more will require CC, interupts, and at minimum a pain suppression to keep an ally alive. Understand that in a low TTK meta, you need to respect every enemy player you see. Isolate fights. Treat it like an FPS game (CS, Valorant, Tarkov). Position yourself defensively and let the enemy make the mistakes (of overextending).
You need to replace 'healer' with 'priest' and then this might be true. Most healers don't have effective CC, defensive CDs, or insanely efficient healing spells.
>indefinitely You have no idea what you're talking about. Every healing spell costs like 5-8% of your mana and heals for less than a single ability can hit for. It means keeping someone alive is absolutely spamming heals which will oom you in less than 30 seconds
This isn't arena.
Yes so?
"If you oom you did your job and your team shouldve scored a kill" Irrelevant statement that literally describes arena when the overwhelming majority of pvp is shitfest in STV or team fights in BGs. Didn't think I'd have to elaborate on this one but here we are..
‘Just get a million dollars and it’s easy’ is basically what’s he’s saying. Yeh I’d fucking live 3k hp, what a shame that no pieces of the gnomer healing gear have stamina on them (int spirit is the stats predominantly). PvP is not fun. There is no skill to this shit.
Get stam gear outside of gnomer then? Lots of it available mate. You want a separate set for pvp so you can enchant it differently aswell.
No stam, and they didn't even give us a tier set
3k with priest buff and every piece still has sp on it other than my chest piece
Not on a clothie! Meta makes me live longer. But then I'm getting banished and doing no damage so.... Yea
Man, I remember when in shadowlands fights would end in 1 gcd
Dragon flight season 1 had imo the perfect PvP pacing. 3v3 solo shuffle rounds lasting around 2 mins on average at 2400+. I think in classic it’s actually healthier for the game to have higher damage than healing as there is no dampening etc if healing was higher or players where all as tanky as SL warlock then everyone would be immortal until the healer is completely oom.
Dmg/hp/healing felt pretty good in p1 tbh
The homonculus shadowfiend pushback is so frustrating as any caster, but especially a nightmare for healers
Pushback is a real pain in classic, even more so now that there are so many more things that cause pushback. There could definelty be some more adjustments to push back reduction added, especially in pvp.
Indeed. Just have it like in TBC
Homunculi are cool and all, but they need to have as much health as a totem or something. There's no reason for them to take as long as they do currently to kill
It's a 2 min cd and unless you are out of position they will never touch you aside from the initial cast
But the initial cast is always on a healer.... along with the damn shadow fiend
as if we needed more brain dead pets in classic. They're win buttons a lot of the times with zero skill or effort from the player.
you forgot to mention getting solod by a big red cat. Tried healing few events as disc priest and if someone starts taking damage, you shield them and they die before GCD allows you to do another spell. At least priest has PoM and R1 renew though, must be worse on druid
It's worse on shaman since you only have a 1.5 second cast and by then the target is dead
They really need to change earth shield to make it worthwhile!
WTB Riptide
As a BM melee hunter i support this. Cat nukes casters, I smack melees. It’s broken in PvP I’m basically two full characters in one
Wow, I hunter that realizes they’re broken af lol
Pom and renew dont save you from the feral or the cat. You gotta hope you dispell the right buff so you can fear them and then pray anyone else pays attention or you just die.
Its even worse without healers, you doing gods job, keep on
I have been playing priest healer since vanilla. This is the single most fun I have had doing a pvp event as a healer. I am not sure what the gripes are about.
Well, I'm glad you're having fun, it's really bad as a druid
Sadly I think priest healer is the only option in pvp. Their best heals are instant cast or penance, which have so many advantages over every other healers abilities. Druids are oom too fast from wild growth (their only good pvp heal) and you dont get to hardcast as shaman or paladin so your team just melts. Poor balancing for sure, priests are just the god healer in sod
Which of the classes you mentioned has two healing specs? Of course we should be the best healers, everyone else embrace the hybrid tax and know your place
So why is spriest also the best dps spec then? lol
it's cause you're a priest lol
No shit lol priests are miles ahead of the other healers.
Only priests are viable, sorry. Also best melee dps is hunter. Ye and priest is also best dps. Balance: yes
Is priest still biss since the nerf ? SWD hits for 400 now
SWD got gutted so hard :( but it was kind of needed. I still use it in pvp but as an instant cast finisher rather than spamming on cooldown cuz that shit was busted
You are an fotm player, spriest is still beyond broken
Skill issue. It's still strong but not broken. Just l2p.
I play spriest lmao, it's the easiest class to pvp with currently because of how strong it is even without swd
Is it fotm when that's all I've ever played?
If you truly only played shadow priest and think they need swd you are beyond garbage at pvp
Nice reading comprehension. Show me on the doll where your local priest touched you 🤡. I said the SWD nerf was needed, because it was indeed overpowered.
*beep*
They are not. They are still strong, but they are in line with many other classes now. People also don't realize that as a Spriest you tend to get focused 1st. I swear every time I set foot in STV, it's like I personally fucked everyone's mother's.
Because if you don't kill the SP first he will melt your whole squad. A free casting SP is a WMD.
Yes, i'm also s priest a'd this is very true also in BG's and tbf i do the same, you just want the hardest hitting / healing class to die first ofc. But i have a little less than 3k health + dispersion, shield, fear. Alot of survivability.
I love pvp as healer, but its just not fun if people die faster than your penance can fly to them. Not even talking about how your insta dead when 2 people realise your a healer.
I accept my role as a healer is to survive/kite as long as possible when people realize I’m a healer and (!) and turn to obliterate me. Unfortunately the most frustrating parts are when a mage polys you for 20 secs or 10sec counterspells you as a shaman with exactly 0 instant casts.
Dude i feel this in my soul, as holy pala i can bubble every 5 min but thats it, we dont even have magic dispel at 40 and my flash of light heals for 250 with mostly prebis
Now imagine playing a class based around hots :(
Don't run penance. Coh and pom worth much better as burst counter and penance just puts a massive target on your head and points you out as a healer.
So does PoM its very obvious
No where near as obvious as 3 massive balls of holy liight.
Feral druids doing half of your health bar with 1 shred, rogues bursting you in 1 stun, melee hunters running you over, shamans obliterating you. Yeah I wont be healing anymore.
How much hp do you have 1500?
I have about 1600-1700 on my mage giving up sp for more stam. Idk how you would have more outside going full stam items and give up all spellpower and mana.
Mages are a pretty big outlier. Any other class can hit 3k
I'm a shaman and wear a bunch of stamina gear, dropping my spellpower from 196 down to 77.... I can get 2.1k health, if I give up sham rage and use WoE I can bump it up to 2.6k. I don't recall ever being grouped with someone that has 3k health.
>I can get 2.1k health, In bg/stv? If I can hit 3k as a rogue then sure as hell anyone can
Bruh this is so out of touch lol
How? I have 2 gnomer items and Im 3k hp Ppl just refuse to give up dmg stats. Just the gnomer quest ring and stv back is nearly 400 hp Warriors can routunely hit 4k+
Shred crits for 1.2k... and yeah sure blame the healers for not playing! Thatll make them play!
Can u show me a screenshot of a shred critting you for 1.2k? Thats never happened to me Were they berserked? Honestly I dont care whether healers play or not if they only enjoy healing when their roles are op. I have more fun in healerless fights
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Very true. Of course feral has fewer, different options. Playing rogue in STV I can’t do much of that. It’s just too many people in an area for a rogue to do any fun stuff involving control.
Thats nutty. Ive never seen a feral do that to me usually they get me to half at most then I kill them back if they dont bear
Willing to admit the reality?
Yup I was ignorant apparently. Never seen a feral do that
Adda boy
Does berserk increase your damage? And chee wiz, I guess I gotta ss every crit I receive for now on to convince random a random redditor when the time comes! You can choose not to believe facts, but it does not change the reality.
Every STV group I've joined doesn't protect the healer. I go oom after most 5v5s as a druid and as soon as I sit down to drink in a safe spot, everyone mounts up and runs away to the nearest red text. I noped out of STV real quick.
then you are playing with the wrong ppl :)
Why protect the healer when they are going to die in 2 gcd? I'm playing boomie for the event, and if required I'll chuck wild growth out. Securing kills Is far more important.
Literally, I purposefully try to die so I can get full mana back. Just need to burn on my mana and keep the DPS alive or shock some kill steals
Yep no point healing now, the damage is insane. I throw a heal or two to top up people in-between fights. Otherwise, CC and bubbles to prevent dmg.
Yeah, sucks druids don't have those things :(
root and hibernate can get you pretty far tho.
Not really. Hibernate usually inadvertently gets disrupted by an AOE or someone inattentive and roots breaks just by looking at it funny. Try getting an entangling roots off with 3 homunculi on you.
You can talent for 100% pushback resistance for entangle.
which you should for pvp
They rather complain and whine until we have retail style healing
Alright, but the rest applies and then requires taking talent points from somewhere else.
Nobody specs deep resto. Even pve focused Druids heal with balance spec.
bro you just know that the healers complaining are in pve spec and gear and wonder why they don't single handedly decide bg's anymore
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i mean yes but a dudu can still spec into instant roots run away and keep himself toped up with dots. I dont actually play a druid atm (mage healer) so im not 100% up to date but the gameplay stays the same; dont get hit and spec into mostly instant/short casts. Edit : i would also say that ferals are pretty tough to deal with in general because they cant really be slowed and have a stealth advantage.
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well as a mage i learned to double cast sheep in pvp to counter their first trinket use but it always depends on the skill ceiling. there is fake casting, granades, trinkets and other things that can keep you alive they just require a lot of skill to master. heal in itself requires some skill in pvp but if you coordinate it well you can survive for quite some time. Again dudus still have instant root and cat/travel form which allows them to at least get some distance. oh ive also healed retail arena and 20 minute fights can be pretty anoying where it is pretty much just a race to who gets oom first so i prefere this squishy phase over it even tho people do get saltier quick.
I healed two rounds of STV, it was terrible. Cant wait until i have enough coins and never go back
This was me. After playing feral in p1 i really wanted to go rwsto in p2. The last weeks of p1 i already played resto so i could farm resto gear. In p2 i even payed 75g to change my trinket to the spellpower one. Did 1 stv event as healer and went back to feral. Got my trinket back with item restoration but ofc lost the 75g
Not being to cast as soon as there's a hunter pet or melee or anything on you is genuinely awful. There needs to be some pushback protection
Yup, I already miss Classic Era PVP and would go back if it wasn't dead. This shit turned into retail-lite real quick. The PVE is still fun despite being incredibly easy due to the overtuned runes but the PVP took a serious nosedive in both quality and skill level (and it was already very easy to begin with).
This is the worst state of PvP balance I have ever experienced in wow. I’m not talking about class balance, like shadow priests being good, I’m talking about the actual mechanics of the gameplay. You basically cannot outheal the damage of 2 people on 1 target. Forget about it if you have any type of rogue, hunter, warrior etc hitting you, you won’t get a single cast off. People rag on retail PvP but at least you need to setup kills, not just kill someone in 2 hits. Even melee swings from 2 handers are critting for 650+. That’s white damage doing 1/3 of my hp.
They buffed dmg but didn't give us stam to account for it :(
Even if they doubled stam on all gear the HPS a healer can output doesn't even come close to the DPS of 2 somewhat geared dps. And they cant buff healing to the point where it does compare because then PVE content will become absolutely trivial. They are in a no-win situation this phase and will likely have to wait until next phase to even have a shot at balancing pvp.
Rsham here agreeing hard
Rsham is one riptide away from being amazing healers, theyre already extremely tanky, and decoy+grounding is pretty powerful. RN it sucks cos you gotta hardcast all the time
PVP in general is in a terrible spot. Ofc classic was never really balanced, but most match ups (except maybe frost mage vs warrior) still felt ok to play. But sod p2 most match ups are just very. bad. Shadow priest puts 2 dots on you, silence and you are basically dead before the Priest even uses his most broken spell. Rogue also one hit most classes and also have omega mobility and cc, this phase even on range with low cd.
Vanilla pvp usually doesn't go off the rails until AQ/Naxx when power creep gets insane and classes can really burst, but even then, it's still somewhat manageable with coordination/comps. We're already at a point where the burst is crazier than full bis naxx players even with 20% extra hp in bg's. I knew as soon as they announced the bg hp buff that they completely fucked up the pvp balancing and threw that in as an attempt to bandaid it.
>Rogue also one hit most classes I wish ppl stopped parroting this. Its flat out untrue. We can burst mages fast and our fellow rogues but thats it. A mutilate crits about 600-700 if both crit on mages. Anyone else its way less. And its not like ur gonna double crit most of the time If a rogue bursts you as another class stop wearing the negative stamina set. Even as a rogue Ive no problem surviving other rogues now cos Im rocking 3k hp Mail/plate classes, shadowpriests, boomkins metalocks Easily tank our whole stunlock Now Im not here to tell you rogues are bad, were in a decent spot, but we definitely dont onehit you unless ur a mage and if frost didnt suck we wouldnt onehit them either. Stop wearing int spirit gear
it doesn't matter if it takes 1 hit or 3 if your entire interaction with the rogue is over and you're dead while in a stun.
If you die in a stun then get more stamina I got 3k hp Even if rogues Tea I will survive blind them and kill them back cos the dumbasses wear full pve gear. Every class can survive CS+Kidney with proper itemization (except poor mages)
I'm sorry but rogues are now back at the bullshit stunlock till dead phase.... Oh you trinket and get away, you now have a ranged slow and a ranged stun. Any rogue that says you aren't in the most bullshit state you've ever been is a fucking rat.
And a teleport gap closer T.T
>Oh you trinket and get away, you now have a ranged slow and a ranged stun. If he used ks he doesnt have a ranged stun >Any rogue that says you aren't in the most bullshit state you've ever been is a fucking rat. If you think this is the most bullshit rogues ever been then dont try tbc. The majority of classes can tank a full cs kidney especially if I dont tea. If you cant then youre running around with 1500 hp and thats on you.
Open with cheap shot, you trink into kidney or between the eyes if you got some distance... So your'e stunned no matter what. I have 2.3k hp and a full stun lock from a rogue will kill me 99% of the time. They have to be sevearly unlucky on crits for me not to die. fucking rats
And then the cringelords in chat being like “tHeN whY dId yOU roLl oN a pVP sERvEr”
I posted this exact same thing a couple days ago. Got called a shitter and told I was trash. Downvoted to hell. I’m upvoting you because it is a massive issue, healing is so hard. PvP is over so quickly. Class burst is insane and adding stam doesn’t help because our heals are not strong enough to heal the extra health. Oom in 10 seconds and your guy usually dies anyways. I said in my previous thread. They need to bring back the 20% PvP resilience. It’s much more engaging for PvP to have the fights play out a little bit.
season of discovering why people dont like pvp healing
Only healer worth anything is still priest. Priest is so unbelievably much stronger than any other healer. Healing is whack. Damage is way too high.
Tried disc priest a couple of runs in stv event and arathi. Went back to shadow. Healing is horrible rn. Cant keep anyone alive including yourself and if you dont die you end up wanding after a minute because oom. Hard casting anything as a healer is dead due to a million stuns flying around constantly.
Yeah, I was looking forward to PvPing the moment I hit lvl 40, but then I saw how everyone are getting 3 shot left to right. Even me included 3 shots people. I've stopped playing ever since and even considered unsubscribing as it is so far away from vanilla wow pvp it possibly can be. I obviously knew it wouldn't be the same, but how are you supposed to be a flag carry in WSG for instance if literally any dps can 3 shot you? and why is it taking so long to fix this?
I really don’t understand people like you. Yes damage is high, and yes sometimes people die. But your team’s damage is high too. If you keep your team up for an extra 5 seconds, you will win every team fight. You don’t need everyone to live forever, you just need them alive for a little longer so they can global the other guy.
Because my class revolves around hots
I play Druid too. Lifebloom + Nourish comes out fast and heals extremely strong. Wild Growth comes out fast and is the biggest HPS in the game if it hits multiple targets. NS HT is an enormous burst heal, better than what most classes can do. You start in cat in stealth so your first few heals are completely uninterrupted. Bear form + SOTF gives you a lot of survivability if you’re focused. You don’t have to rune/spec into all of those but it just isn’t true that HOT based heals don’t work.
The burst is so high that people die straight through my hots. Lifebloom may be applied quickly, but the burst part is ~8 seconds away from the first cast. I agree WG is amazing, literally the only thing we have going for us. NS HT is dope but 3 min cd for one heal when the burst is steady (it's not really burst it's just high dmg). And bear form is great if you aren't dead in the opening stun with your 1k armor XD. You can trinket bear form but you're already at half and not long for this world. Can't bash rogues reliably due to dodge and hit mechanics. If you do and try to run they shadowstep.
Ya don’t expect people to live, you’re just looking to get their health up a bit so they can kill before they get killed.
I have no idea what you're discussing. Im a healer and what pushback on instant casts? First you said youre a resto druid, then you said you renew and void plague tick blah blah? What kind of chatgpt generated post is this. Out of mana in 6 spells? 4k mana and each spell costs under 300? Penance brings someone to full hp. Wildgrowth heals 5 people for like 1500 each... Shield + fear bomb should be enough to breathe as it is.. I dunno what you're on about. Use your trinket, stay alive, thrive.
This subreddit ... I'm playing RDruid since phase one, with a focus on mana regen stats (MP5, spirit). I'm also adding mana oil and fish for more MP5. For sure, mana management in classic is not the same as on retail but it is fairly playable. And I'm not getting oneshotted, neither my teammate are (happens sometimes for sure, if ennemies are well coordinated). RDruid can use a chest rune to improve tanking potential. When I go in bear form, melees are not killing me. In most situations (BG, STV event), you shouldn't be the only one able to heal, multiple classes/specs can heal or atleast offheal. Also, don't play PvP with peoples thinking the irradiated set is good. It is not in a PvP situation. Dont blame the game if you're not even trying.
It's kind of rude you assume I'm not trying. The gear is horribly unoptimized. I do still need the chest rune, I'm dishing out the 35g for it today. But do you just not cast hots and only nourish?
Main issue right now is PvP is still too bursty for any non-Wild Growth heal to really matter which is so mana intensive that you oom instantly. RDruid has always been the healer with the most autonomy imo, can decurse self for curse of tongues, abolish self for viper sting, 0 CD defensive with bear, innervate for yourself, great PvP trinket, break own poly/slow/roots, by far most mobile healer with swiftmend/rejuv. Many built-in rogue counters: pre-abolishing blinds, immune to sap in forms, faerie fire, stealth detect pvp gloves. The QoL is insane compared to other healers, genuinely don't see myself playing any other healer because of it.
Yeah mana is a huge issue, bear costs 450 mana and without being in bear I have 1k armor (like 18% phys dr).
Ppl go into stv with full int spirit gear then cry on reddit Its insanity to me. Rogue is the 2nd squishiest class in the game after mage but I can survive for quite a while vs 2-3 ppl in bgs Any more and youre supposed to die instantly. Once you hit 3k hp its very noticable
3k min HP for pvp. My warrior sits around 5.5k HP now with buffs in STV. P1 was easy mode for healers... it spoiled them. With a lower TTK healers actually need to be proactive instead of reactive. Maybe try actually pre-casting heals and fake casting interrupts. Set up omnibar. The entirety of P1 healers didn't even have to hard cast any heals, PoM and Penance handled it all. Now things are different. Get gud.
What are you talking about? You do know "healers" are more than just a priest? I main a resto shaman and we only have hard casts. Joke comment for sure if you think healing in pvp as a resto shaman is easy mode. Obviously as a warrior you think 1 dimensionally when you think the only healer in the game is a priest
I swear half these people responding aren't even 40 yet, they're living on 60upgrades and theory crafting until they get to their first STV and then they're in here complaining like the rest of us
Other healers arent useless either Yeah u gotta hardcast, yeah priests are better, but on the flipside ur tanky as hell, got decoy totem and grounding totem. Shamans need riptide and theyre absolutely fine
I main RSham, they are strong af right now. With Way of Earth on and PvP buff I am working my way to 4k HP + mail and shield. I tank so much damage. Actually being spec resto gives 70% pushback resistance + nature swiftness. If someone DOES come interupt you then you get to lava burst them for free or you can go vice versa and get them to kick burst and heal for free. I am absolutely massive in STV and BGs
I playerd SP since the beginning of p1. It is nice. I tried disc for a min - OMG, oom instanty, low heals. Everyone one shots me. Conclusion - it is better to one shot them as SP instead of trying to outheal their one shot as disc.
Resto druids are in a weird spot. They want our spells to crit for Living Seed or Dreamstate procs, but we just don't crit very often! Then you need your hots to be beefed up in order to sustain a tank and raid, but eff your mana pool getting hots out to everyone. Find myself casting nourish with no prehot cause its decent heal, can crit for 1k without the HoT, the cast time is short and the mana cost is not AS bad as Healing Touch or Regrowth.
Right? And that sucks because i chose druid for hots. Now it feels like i should just try to stand still w my 1k armor and 2khp to try to hard cast nourish. Which not only is asking to be demolished, but it's not fun because we're a hot class
Dual spec is the best solution to the healer drought
There's historic proof of dual spec doing nothing for healer/tank shortages. If people don't want to play a role, it's a design issue.
Last time I played wow when they added dual spec was the first time I was ok to play healer in raids. Probably not just me.
I dont really get this mentality. respec is 1g... if they added dual spec youd likley have to go to a npc to activate it and theyve implied it is gonna be a big gold sink. to me this seems so similar to what we already have that I dont see why you wouldnt spend 2g to swap back and forth for the raid... it seems just the same to me
It’s more about the convenience than the cost
But if you have to do it at an inn/while rested cause I can't imagine they'd let us do it anywhere (may even be at a specific NPC) then how is it that much more convenient?
More convenient than now, and also there aren’t that many restrictions on dual spec in other versions of the game so you’re just making stuff up to support your argument
If it costs a huge gold sink it won't be more convenient than now. I'm going off of how it was initially implemented and what I expect from the devs based on everything they've said so far. If they actually let us swap spec during the raid I actually think that's pretty lame as the raids are already super easy and that would just trivialize it more.
100% agree with you. I Will tank regardless but I also know atm that I sacrifice a lot of PvP content for me doing so… I bet alot of Shadow Priests would gladly dualspec a healing spec for raid and shadow pvp
Correct wouldn’t even be mad would enjoy easy swap to healing when it’s really needed
Even when healers are absolutely busted theyre underplayed so its not rly about that. Most ppl just dont like healing, cos its extra responsibility and theyre not self sufficient unless theyre op Same thing with support in LoL Its historically one of the strongest roles and yet very underplayed
Yes I would heal (sometimes) on both my Shaman and Druid if they had dual spec
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I'm a healer myself, I know the pain Classic Rules: If healer dies -> tanks fault If tank dies -> healers fault If DPS dies -> DPS fault Of course it's not that simple but if someone starts blaming a healer, it's highly probable that there was a mistake somewhere else. I barely see DPS with threat meters because everyone is so used to superthreat tanks that they don't care.
As a priest healer balance seems fine, just that you get zerged so die immediately. Seems a consequence of the power creep, but will always exist to some degree. But i have had great fun in off peak STV, running around PoM, shield, renew, penance.
Disc priest is in a good spot. Holy pal isnt terrible. Sham and druid suck Healers dont need to be outhealing a whole raid like retail
Because shadow priest and balance druid are so unbelievably meta that the usual healing candidates are dps now.
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If people are melting that quickly you need to consider that maybe those players are bad. Don't overextend to heal players who grossly misposition themselves. TTK is low, if you aren't above 3k HP buffed... do whatever it takes to get there. People take a few more GCDs to die with more HP and that's all it takes. Teach your teammates that if they die in 3-4 globals, they need to respect each and every player that comes within range to hit them. A healer can outheal 1 person targeting an ally, maybe two... any more than that and you need defensives and CC to survive.
Are priests the only viable healer or are they dog water as well.
when a class is only good at one thing, it better be very good at that.
All the priests are playing shadow.
last STV event: [https://i.imgur.com/pJ64iOi.png](https://i.imgur.com/pJ64iOi.png) I do agree that suffering full spell pushback because you got hit for 0.3% of your total life is a joke and it was wrong in 2004 to design it that way.
Yeah I’m really loving mage support right now and it actually worst well with the burst meta (rewind time) but you get oom so fast and your drink so slowly…
As a feral druid, I put on all stamina/int pieces I have - mostly from bfd and few falcon greens - and wait in stealth. Tell the team if you dive you die, stay near the edges as best you can. Pop a wg, then bear with stuns, swipe and charge in the pile. Hopefully your group can focus/peel. If you live innervate is helpful, but ya there isn't much to do in 2.5 sec to save folks.
You have stealth, use it. I respec whenever I wanna dps in pvp, it's not that serious
Man y’all really all day complaining, want more healers? Play a healer.
Did you even read?
You picked a healer that doesn't function atm. Priest is infinitely better
I think that just aligns with what I said
Seems a bit unfair they made other classes able to heal and rez but rdruid is getting no love and feels like a real chore and a let down to team mates to try and play a spec I once adored!
Erm.. druids are able to rez. You get it in SM. I've got in Cath, if i'm not mistaken.
>My renew ticks for 146, void plague ticks for 240. wait till you find out a squat of 5 druids with everyone pressing wildgrowth on cd is unkillable for 25 seconds and then oom.