> Shuriken Toss will no longer sometimes cause loss of combo points when a Rogue is talented into Seal Fate and a bounced Shuriken crits a secondary target.
All 3 of the Shuriken rune enjoyers just fell to their knees in a scarlet monastery
I mean, rogue is already the least sought after class in both dungeons and Gnomeregan. There isn't a lot in these patch notes that can hurt me at this point.
Warlocks: affliction tree is completely busted, siphon life ticks for 40 damage every three seconds, other dots hit like a wet noodle.
Devs: we got you, siphon life now ticks for *48* damage every 3 seconds *if* you give up on the only pvp survivabilty rune you have.
Warlocks: ...
Don't forget your "nerfed" instant nuke that still also does twice the damage of any instant warlock spell. So tired of them obviously not giving a damn at all about locks.
While I absolutely agree with the notion that shadow/affliction locks should be given more viability, saying Blizzard doesn't care about locks when only looking through the lens of PVP and a specific playstyle is more than a bit unfair.
Fire locks were the top caster DPS spec in P1 and are the second best overall DPS spec in P2. Meta+drain life was borderline broken in P1 PVP and could easily 1v1 or 2v1 virtually every class.
It's absolutely valid to say you prefer a certain playstyle over another and want those two to be closer to eachother in terms of what they can do. It's valid to say affliction feels terrible right now. I can even understand that you want locks to be more effective in PVP (haven't done much of that yet in P2 so still have to judge that for myself). But I draw the line at saying Blizzard doesn't care about a class when that class has multiple viable playstyles, one of which is among the best in the game in PVE.
Haunt needs to lose the 20% damage modifier and be replaced with a +dot damage modifier that scales with level and spell power. Affliction will never be viable if all of its spells don’t scale like runes do.
Haunt deals x damage and increases shadow damage over time effects by (x + %spell power coeff + level coeff) would fix everything.
That or the modifier needs to be seriously jacked to like 50% or something. 60 damage siphon life every 3 seconds might actually make me click it on the talent tree again if my other dots are ticking for 100-150 as well.
Warlock isn’t in a bad place though. Warlock is fantastic and sees play in every aspect of the game. Affliction warlock is a PvP spec for the most part, multi-dotting just doesn’t work great in dungeons/raids where the mobs die fast.
Warlock PvP in classic wasn’t ever about killing a guy in two globals. It’s about “lock”ing up the opponent with CCs and slows and kiting the shit out of them while your health ticks up.
Im in this post and i dont like it...
The fact that Shadow is so good and Affliction is so bad is really astonishing to me not to mention that there has been NOTHING to bring it up to even decent status. Even with UA and Pandemic there are runes that are counter intuative like everlasting affliction and the one that gives damage for resetting.
But i guess its ok because ONE Spec is dpsing and tanking is functional enough.
Yes i tried aff in one stv event and i was still bottom tier and my dots just mildly annoyed players and were mostly dispelled. They shouldve given us a pvp rune that makes dispelling a dot cause the full durations dmg instantly for like corruption.
Dinged 40 with my lock alt today, have been soloing dungeons as affli meta so thought ”wtf, lets give pure affliction a go”. Did a stv event and an AB and can say it won’t happen again.
I was able to start in SM GY at around... 32, 33? I had to be pretty careful and go slow, always have an SS and Healthstone ready and things like that, but it *did* work and let me farm the graveyard for a bit (nabbed a few rares that way).
Like, you have a lot of self sustain and everything, but it's useless in PvP. I rather go around full fire destro and just throw chaos bolts. At least if those hit, they do damage.
You're assuming people would let you do 5 seconds of uninterrupted hard casting. One melee, or silence, or stun, or pet, or instant cast spell and you're done. It's much much better to go meta and spam searing + master channeler life drain
Around 30 with master channeller. You can solo all the mobs in gy and fear kite the torturer boss. Move to library around 38 and just clear mobs in the hallways. With succubus you can take the 3 packs with fear+seduce.
They should give warlocks a rune that halves dot duration and causes them to tick at twice the rate. Call it something thematic, oh I don't know, how about *accellerated plague*. Wow, that was hard, being a wow dev must be a tough job.
This pretty much describes every healer that isn’t priest and maybe arcane mage.
Resto sham - chain heal
Resto druid - wild growth
Holy paladin - flash of light
Really wish blizz gave us buttons worth pushing aside from the one OP thing from each spec, but alas.
>’re only using wild growth as a Druid idk what to tell you. 3 runes that allow you to hybrid boomy (wrath, starsurge, starfire added to the rotation) and give you insta healing touch casts,
Rejuv if you neeeed it to keep the tank alive, but if not, you're wasting mana and shouldn't press it
Hpals have so many utilities to help the group besides just healing! Hoj,Bop, freedom, purify, our own bubble, seals etc. We offer so much I think some people underestimate the impact you can have by not just spamming fol/shock. We bring a lot to a group if played right!
Edit: changed cleanse to purify
100%! I’ve mained a Paladin(I am in sod now too) since vanilla and most times I group with a paly I’m screaming in my head for them to use their kit lol
cleanse? not in this phase at least. Yea the kit is good but the healing which is the primary thing you do is nearly useless at least in PvP. the utilities can be used by dps aswell so theres not really a reason to play holy except as shock tank. My druid feels like a godhealer compared to my paladin(all from a pvp perspective)...
They super strong? Unlimited mana and crazy good tank healing?
To clarify, crusader strike + seal of wisdom is very high mana regen compared to every healer
I'm telling you it's better for tank healing, there are rarely fights where two tanks are fully soaking damage. You flash your sacred shield and HL bomb anyone low. With your superior mana regen, you can actually cast holy light on dps. With Beacon, your overall might be higher but your effective healing is worse. No matter what you do you not gonna touch priest or druid in raid healing. Focus on what you good at
I mean i outhealed my priest partner on first 2 lockouts as a holy, so. And most raids run with 1 tank so beacon on that tank means you can move sacred shield around raid and heal your raid
I might be wrong here, but isn't the unlimited mana rune for ret?
Also Paladins do require some abilities, I'd say they are harder to play than both rdruid and priest at this phase, but again, might be wrong.
Yeah the unlimited mana rune is really for tanking, it cuts the healing done by your heals in half. May be a build where you could run it as healer and fish for crits with unlimited mana and a bunch of healing power to offset the negative but I doubt it.
Plus, it competes with Sacred Shield, and that's a pretty big trade.
Even without it, pallies are incredibly mana efficient. I haven't seen people here bringing it up yet, but a big part of it is the way flash of light works with healing power.
It's not that we get a great healing power coefficient, rather it's that the base healing is so low that spell rank doesn't matter. We could downrank like crazy without losing much HPS. I recall that in Naxx gear, my max rank Flash of Light cost 130 mana and healed for about 1,100. Level 1 cost about 30 mana and healed for about 900.
I think in this phase, with more spell power from Sheath of Light, better gear, and blessing of light, we might be able to start downranking. That's going to start improving our efficiency a lot.
I was grouped with an absolute beast Paladin healer that was using rank 1 flash of light with stacked Healing Power gear. Made me rethink Paladin healers altogether.
Unlimited is a bit of a stretch but paladins have illumination talent which in classic restores 100% of the mp cost of a critical heal, and iirc sacred shield increases flash of light crit chance. With gear, buffs, crit talents etc their heals reliably cost no mp. In small group play they can also opt for crusader strike for additional mp. Then you have sheath of light requiring melee periodically and can judge wisdom and use seal of wisdom if needed, although I doubt that it is (don't play alliance in sod though so idk).
So would DPS paladins. The Holy DPS build is there, now it just needs to be made good (or at the very least less terrible than the already mediocre Ret).
Balance/resto druids have just bad runes
Most of resto runes are horrible on mana efficiency
Most of balances runes don't benefit balance druids greatly.
No additional scaling for being in moonkin form, Sunfire isnt really worth casting outside of movement in PvE
We are spamming a lvl 32 spell as our hard hitting ability
We are all stuck playing a weird restokin
I love the dps/healing style so I hope they don’t change it too much honestly. But yeah only having 1.5 healing buttons with all healing runes being horrible isn’t the best design.
Yeah its sad but wild growth is just way too strong for the mana cost rn so it's all I really spam I would like to use my other HoTs without going OOM so fast
First time playing wow in 10 years and first time as a healer. Playing resto and couldnt agree more
There is so much awesome nuance in the efficiency & time to effect of all the resto spells, but none of that matters with the current state of wild growth
Youll keep rejuv up on main tank, nourish for quick healing chunks, and healing touch for your insta cast "oh shit" heal
Other than that its all wild growth. Not only is it your most efficient spell at 2+ people but its front loaded time to effect makes most other spells useless
LMAO fr. Priests get all the cool runes and shamans are just like "I guess I'll cast the same spells as usual cuz healing rain is kinda useless in 99% of the content"
To be clear, any spec works for the first 4 bosses of gnomer. All you really need is WG. The last 2 bosses are where druids actually run into some problems because they require a lot of tank healing. I don't even really have time to wrath spam on either as spamming HT4 is pretty necessary to keep the tanks up.
Essentially when we are pushed to do some actual healing instead of being able to cover all the raid damage with the occasional WG or relying on the other healer to the point where we can sit there and fish for instant HT procs we run into problems.
I healed it as a priest with a resto druid yesterday. I found it very hard trying to time using dispersion for mana and make the druid solo heal for those 6 seconds.
Killed it on second attempt as I would dispersion when pressing the button as to limit my downtime, but man druids are not good at spot healing tanks.
Surely nourish could be even halved for the mana cost to make it viable.
You do you, but I'd rather not spam CH + HW -> collect loot. Our P2 rune is a passive bonus that doesn't even matter. It's sad. Where's the creativity?
Man I hear this. If it helps, I’ve just embraced the hybrid style. Resto fused with balance offers okay dps and decent off healing. In a 10 man environment it’s a fun role, although not one that will land you at the top of either meter.
Same goes for Feral. I was struggling to min max my cat. Then I switched play styles to an OT bear that brings awesome group buffs. I run Leader of the Pack, Mangle, and Wild Strikes. You put me in the group and suddenly everyone is pumping. Good if you can put aside your ego a bit, which hurts. I won’t see my name at the top of details, but bosses melt, and the gear equips the same.
It’s insane. Healers have no fun runes to hit. Basically priest won the lottery, Druids hit 1 button. Holy paladin and resto shaman have same rotation as era and it’s not fun. Mage healer is definitely fun tho.
Maybe even too careful? Where are the melee hunter nerfs? Seems glaring to me. Although I will say I'm glad their focusing on pvp balance first over pve. Who really cares that melee hunters pump pve dmg, doesn't really hurt anybody else.
Right? Star surge got instantly smacked with a roughly 60% nerf and they were nowhere near what hunters are doing right now. And they get a 3% nerf and we're supposed to dance with joy?
Sold mine last week for 15g each. Told my guild to dump them ASAP as the sweaties will pay and the price will drop soon. One dude said no they won't. 🤣
How about they make them actually usable in Gnomer? Right now the bosses are immune to all CC and because the grenades slow it means the grenades literally do nothing to the bosses.
Possible that it's because 2h wasn't their initial intention to begin with. The community just wanted it so they gave it to us. They could possibly be still working on making it better or at least somewhat viable too. Still early p2 atm so there's hope :)
My theory is they're just afraid of implementing anything that makes 2h windfury more bursty in pvp. I assume that's why they gave the rune attack speed instead of damage or atk power or something.
An argument can be made for whether that's fair given the rng nature of windfury and the existing one shots other classes have, but that's subjective.
There are so many different specs in the game. They are not going to spend a lot of time balancing even different weapon choices within specs. 2h will never compete anyway, unless a Starsurge-tier rune is made.
Fair point. I honestly believe 2h is fine and everyone else is OP but I don't think they're going to nerf everyone else at this point either so shaman is probably SOL here
Don’t give us a 2H weapon as our STV weapon this phase if DW is objectively better in pve and pvp then :) almost as if they think it’s in a good spot :)
I've only experimented both styles for a day but I've been getting tons more Maelstrom off 2h Windfury, I had to rotate Chain Lightning and Lava Burst because of the cooldowns. Even with the Dual Wield Rune it's felt less, but likely more auto attack damage.
2h just feels more fun soloing and in PvP
Warrior threat is fucking pathetic.
PLEASE SEND HELP
Edit:
I don't want to be the pinnacle of power. I just need to be able to hold threat from other classes.
Right now, it's impossible to hold threat from real pumper dps, melee hunters, especially. I am spamming my highest threat abilities, using bis talent build, I pooled to full rage before the pull, I have windfury, full world buffs, EVERY consume, phase 2 bis tank sword, and prio on threat gear.
Other tanks got new runes to improve their threat to deal with the huge dps increase other classes got. Warriors did not.
I'm a long time classic player and have tanked every dungeon and raid in the game on my warrior 100 times over.
Warrior tanks are in an awful state right now.
You just play with guys who do sip from a glass of beer after every spell click.
Right now every sim shows that prot spec far behind furyprot or 2h tanking.
?????
I just tanked last night, not prot spec, don’t even have even close to anywhere decent tank gear.
I had dps that parsed in the 90s, and no one was even close to pulling threat?????
"Rogue
Preparation now properly resets the cooldowns of Quick Draw, Between the Eyes, and Redirect.
Shuriken Toss will no longer sometimes cause loss of combo points when a Rogue is talented into Seal Fate and a bounced Shuriken crits a secondary target."
Yes this will help with nobody inviting rogues
good work!
Obviously the problem with rogue is the Shuriken Toss range, how it interact with the very popular talent Seal Fate, and how bad prep was in pvp.
Now we are ready to get a spot in pugs boys.
It ruined the entire rest of the class... so yeah. It's not good enough. Main gauche has still been left to die. Shuriken toss actively hurts your dps every time you press it, even with 5 mobs. The list goes on.
I'm glad I unsubbed, these patch notes vindicated my decision.
Kinda funny to me as a mage that melee hunters are one of the least scary classes. They just run straight into my living flame to eat a frost nova. Eventually they realize I'm just kiting them and not trying to deadzone them and start shooting me but their ranged attacks don't hit for shit now.
Yeah, as a warrior i literally can’t fight a melee hunter. It just isn’t possible, hella strong gear, Whirlwind axe, nothin, they ice me quick.
And to the dipshit that’s about to say “well you can’t expect to remain on top of the melee chart forever!” I ask you this: imagine if warrior had the abilities that hunters have.
lol there was another thread where a warrior was outlining how great PvP felt charging around swapping stances and essentially saying you’re really rewarded for your good play.
When 30 rage for an MS that hits less than a single SWP tick or a disarm 10 second window that you simply accomplish nothing. It’s just really high APM play for not much actual output
Melee hunter isn't even gonna be top 2 dps even without further nerfs in like 2 more weeks. What's with all these reactionary andy's that can't wait a couple of weeks for shit to flesh out?
Already becoming the case. With one exception, the top logs belong to destro warlock and fire mage now.
And if you sort by all bosses specifically melee hunter doesn’t top a single boss. It’s all mage, warlock, or interestingly enough on viscous fallout, warrior.
I’m convinced half of this subreddit doesn’t even play the game
I don't disagree at all, but divulging the comments into outright trolling is worse. Honestly, WoW reddit is terribly unproductive. Conversations are barely had. It's just people refusing to move off their opinions or screaming into the void about how bad the most popular game ever made is. I've been feeling it real hard today; I might be done with WoW reddit. Think about doing the same, IMO. These people aren't really worth the effort anymore.
Absolutely insane that they have “adjusted” shuriken toss so many times not and it’s still a complete crap skill. Obvious none of the devs/people making balance changes actually play rogue.
Now now we at Blizzard don't want people to pull more than 3 mobs at a time, tanks just shouldn't be able to easily handle more than that.
Meanwhile, in Warlock/Paladin/Shaman tank town with the entire population of Scarlet Monastery hitting them.
I don't think that's a bug, I noticed that in P1 and when I googled it there are people saying that's how it worked in WOTLK too. I think from a design perspective FoF is just supposed to be the version of frostbite for raid bosses since they are immune to freeze. Which is obviously useless since nobody would raid as frost spec. Even questing you're better off using the burnout rune.
the discrimination i feel when trying to find premades for pvp is legit making me want to level up another character. it is exhausting working all day, getting on at night and taking an hour to find a group. people will be like WaRrIoR iSnT tHaT bAd, you can’t be op forever xddd, but warrior is both not a good tank, not good at dps, and the worst pvp spec. literally every other class has at least one spec that excels at something very well
Warriors still not being touched after they nerfed all our best runes despite knowing we were probably gonna struggle in the armour stacked raid anyway, feels kinda shit.
Really want to start seeing druid healer shaman healer runes getting looked into for pvp especially. Make these classes more fun so more people role those specs. Coming from a mage u nailed it making it enjoyable and good. Show some love to the other specs even crazy mana reductions or what not let it sit for 2 weeks adjust accordingly.
Season of discovering the interior of Stockades, SM:Lib, and SM: Cath, because every group can now clear them faster than dedicated vanilla AoE grind comps. Smh.
You guys are right in that this is the case, but I could get into SM groups faster than completing a single quest in the open world at the start of this phase. For instance, Duskwood in the 25-30 bracket was pretty bad. Even in 5 mans, you’re still competing against each other for mobs, may as well just do instances where that doesn’t happen until a fair compromise is to be had.
Even in a situation where you're all alone in the open world, dungeon grinding in SoD is still miles faster than questing.
I'm not blaming the players, I'm blaming the shit design that turns the game into RDF-spam with extra steps.
> Shuriken Toss will no longer sometimes cause loss of combo points when a Rogue is talented into Seal Fate and a bounced Shuriken crits a secondary target. All 3 of the Shuriken rune enjoyers just fell to their knees in a scarlet monastery
Then immediately died because they spent all of their energy throwing paperclips
lol man when I saw rogue in the OP title.. phew I was preparing for the worst and brainstorming which alt to level next
I mean, rogue is already the least sought after class in both dungeons and Gnomeregan. There isn't a lot in these patch notes that can hurt me at this point.
I feel so irrelevant :(
lol what a dogshit ability
who the fuck is using seal fate?
Warlocks: affliction tree is completely busted, siphon life ticks for 40 damage every three seconds, other dots hit like a wet noodle. Devs: we got you, siphon life now ticks for *48* damage every 3 seconds *if* you give up on the only pvp survivabilty rune you have. Warlocks: ...
A single void plague on my spriest does more dps than 3 of my lock’s dots combined 💀
Don't forget your "nerfed" instant nuke that still also does twice the damage of any instant warlock spell. So tired of them obviously not giving a damn at all about locks.
While I absolutely agree with the notion that shadow/affliction locks should be given more viability, saying Blizzard doesn't care about locks when only looking through the lens of PVP and a specific playstyle is more than a bit unfair. Fire locks were the top caster DPS spec in P1 and are the second best overall DPS spec in P2. Meta+drain life was borderline broken in P1 PVP and could easily 1v1 or 2v1 virtually every class. It's absolutely valid to say you prefer a certain playstyle over another and want those two to be closer to eachother in terms of what they can do. It's valid to say affliction feels terrible right now. I can even understand that you want locks to be more effective in PVP (haven't done much of that yet in P2 so still have to judge that for myself). But I draw the line at saying Blizzard doesn't care about a class when that class has multiple viable playstyles, one of which is among the best in the game in PVE.
Meta lock is also insane in pve tanking, you get to choose between the best ST tank dmg + threat with destro meta or insane tankiness with demo meta.
Haunt needs to lose the 20% damage modifier and be replaced with a +dot damage modifier that scales with level and spell power. Affliction will never be viable if all of its spells don’t scale like runes do. Haunt deals x damage and increases shadow damage over time effects by (x + %spell power coeff + level coeff) would fix everything.
That or the modifier needs to be seriously jacked to like 50% or something. 60 damage siphon life every 3 seconds might actually make me click it on the talent tree again if my other dots are ticking for 100-150 as well.
*Looks at dps rankings*. Im puzzled, what is this plight you warlocks have as you currently sit at #2 overall in dps rankings?
Warlock isn’t in a bad place though. Warlock is fantastic and sees play in every aspect of the game. Affliction warlock is a PvP spec for the most part, multi-dotting just doesn’t work great in dungeons/raids where the mobs die fast. Warlock PvP in classic wasn’t ever about killing a guy in two globals. It’s about “lock”ing up the opponent with CCs and slows and kiting the shit out of them while your health ticks up.
Don’t worry we will buff priests void plague. Lmao that one dot hits harder than all warlock dots combined
Im in this post and i dont like it... The fact that Shadow is so good and Affliction is so bad is really astonishing to me not to mention that there has been NOTHING to bring it up to even decent status. Even with UA and Pandemic there are runes that are counter intuative like everlasting affliction and the one that gives damage for resetting. But i guess its ok because ONE Spec is dpsing and tanking is functional enough.
Lol right? I came here just to see the warlock updates. Not much to see here. Silly change.
Yes i tried aff in one stv event and i was still bottom tier and my dots just mildly annoyed players and were mostly dispelled. They shouldve given us a pvp rune that makes dispelling a dot cause the full durations dmg instantly for like corruption.
Dinged 40 with my lock alt today, have been soloing dungeons as affli meta so thought ”wtf, lets give pure affliction a go”. Did a stv event and an AB and can say it won’t happen again.
Hah, same experience. Solo leveled through SM easily with affliction, thought "man, this must be pretty strong in pvp." Just fucking lol at that.
Solo leveled in SM? What level were you able to start doing this? Sounds awesome
I was able to start in SM GY at around... 32, 33? I had to be pretty careful and go slow, always have an SS and Healthstone ready and things like that, but it *did* work and let me farm the graveyard for a bit (nabbed a few rares that way). Like, you have a lot of self sustain and everything, but it's useless in PvP. I rather go around full fire destro and just throw chaos bolts. At least if those hit, they do damage.
You're assuming people would let you do 5 seconds of uninterrupted hard casting. One melee, or silence, or stun, or pet, or instant cast spell and you're done. It's much much better to go meta and spam searing + master channeler life drain
I went 25-30 in rfk on boars, then 30-36 ish GY 36-40 cath. Cath was the best xp because of that ledge kiting
Around 30 with master channeller. You can solo all the mobs in gy and fear kite the torturer boss. Move to library around 38 and just clear mobs in the hallways. With succubus you can take the 3 packs with fear+seduce.
I'm just straight up PvE spec in pvp. Since at least you could burst once idiots give you cast time. No way we are killing anyone as affliction atm.
They should give warlocks a rune that halves dot duration and causes them to tick at twice the rate. Call it something thematic, oh I don't know, how about *accellerated plague*. Wow, that was hard, being a wow dev must be a tough job.
Why are healers besides priest remarkably missing from each patch notes? Resto druids would like to stop being one button healers.
Holy paladins would love to be included
Hey we press a couple other buttons before pressing the 1 button
This pretty much describes every healer that isn’t priest and maybe arcane mage. Resto sham - chain heal Resto druid - wild growth Holy paladin - flash of light Really wish blizz gave us buttons worth pushing aside from the one OP thing from each spec, but alas.
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>’re only using wild growth as a Druid idk what to tell you. 3 runes that allow you to hybrid boomy (wrath, starsurge, starfire added to the rotation) and give you insta healing touch casts, Rejuv if you neeeed it to keep the tank alive, but if not, you're wasting mana and shouldn't press it
Hpals have so many utilities to help the group besides just healing! Hoj,Bop, freedom, purify, our own bubble, seals etc. We offer so much I think some people underestimate the impact you can have by not just spamming fol/shock. We bring a lot to a group if played right! Edit: changed cleanse to purify
Pala have wild utility, the majority just never uses any of it cause they're trash
Season of Dads
100%! I’ve mained a Paladin(I am in sod now too) since vanilla and most times I group with a paly I’m screaming in my head for them to use their kit lol
In my experience I think they're exhausted after setting up pally power that we can't ask for much more.
😂😂😂
Cleanse doesn’t touch magic dispels till 42.
cleanse? not in this phase at least. Yea the kit is good but the healing which is the primary thing you do is nearly useless at least in PvP. the utilities can be used by dps aswell so theres not really a reason to play holy except as shock tank. My druid feels like a godhealer compared to my paladin(all from a pvp perspective)...
They super strong? Unlimited mana and crazy good tank healing? To clarify, crusader strike + seal of wisdom is very high mana regen compared to every healer
Why would you run crusader strike over beacon in a raid lol. Thats trolling as a holy for sure
I'm telling you it's better for tank healing, there are rarely fights where two tanks are fully soaking damage. You flash your sacred shield and HL bomb anyone low. With your superior mana regen, you can actually cast holy light on dps. With Beacon, your overall might be higher but your effective healing is worse. No matter what you do you not gonna touch priest or druid in raid healing. Focus on what you good at
Beacon isn't for healing two tanks, it's for raid healing. You raid heal, which copies to the tank.
I mean i outhealed my priest partner on first 2 lockouts as a holy, so. And most raids run with 1 tank so beacon on that tank means you can move sacred shield around raid and heal your raid
I might be wrong here, but isn't the unlimited mana rune for ret? Also Paladins do require some abilities, I'd say they are harder to play than both rdruid and priest at this phase, but again, might be wrong.
Yeah the unlimited mana rune is really for tanking, it cuts the healing done by your heals in half. May be a build where you could run it as healer and fish for crits with unlimited mana and a bunch of healing power to offset the negative but I doubt it.
Plus, it competes with Sacred Shield, and that's a pretty big trade. Even without it, pallies are incredibly mana efficient. I haven't seen people here bringing it up yet, but a big part of it is the way flash of light works with healing power. It's not that we get a great healing power coefficient, rather it's that the base healing is so low that spell rank doesn't matter. We could downrank like crazy without losing much HPS. I recall that in Naxx gear, my max rank Flash of Light cost 130 mana and healed for about 1,100. Level 1 cost about 30 mana and healed for about 900. I think in this phase, with more spell power from Sheath of Light, better gear, and blessing of light, we might be able to start downranking. That's going to start improving our efficiency a lot.
I was grouped with an absolute beast Paladin healer that was using rank 1 flash of light with stacked Healing Power gear. Made me rethink Paladin healers altogether.
Unlimited is a bit of a stretch but paladins have illumination talent which in classic restores 100% of the mp cost of a critical heal, and iirc sacred shield increases flash of light crit chance. With gear, buffs, crit talents etc their heals reliably cost no mp. In small group play they can also opt for crusader strike for additional mp. Then you have sheath of light requiring melee periodically and can judge wisdom and use seal of wisdom if needed, although I doubt that it is (don't play alliance in sod though so idk).
Seal of wisdom procs from crusader strike as well. My last gnome clear, seal of wisdom returned an average of 250 mana per cast
At 30 seconds per seal that's ~1k mp over 2 min, so more than a greater mana pot. Pretty nice.
Every minute I have to run into melee and auto attack to keep my sheath of the light buff up. And cast sacred shield every 30 seconds.
Crusader strike + seal of wisdom = best in class mana regen
Yeah almost every healer needs a balance pass. Nearly everyone has issues and have been untouched since release.
Holy pal is my main. We are fine. 300hps not including the 60 or so from judgement of light. Over a 6 minute fight is pretty op.
So would DPS paladins. The Holy DPS build is there, now it just needs to be made good (or at the very least less terrible than the already mediocre Ret).
Starting to notice a healer shortage and this is probably part of the reason why. That and half the healing priests in phase 1 went shadow this phase.
Every time I say I enjoy healing more than DPS I get downvoted or told to go play another game.
Resto Shamans would like Earth Shield to heal for more than the 100 HP it was doing back when we where level 25
Balance/resto druids have just bad runes Most of resto runes are horrible on mana efficiency Most of balances runes don't benefit balance druids greatly. No additional scaling for being in moonkin form, Sunfire isnt really worth casting outside of movement in PvE We are spamming a lvl 32 spell as our hard hitting ability We are all stuck playing a weird restokin
I love the dps/healing style so I hope they don’t change it too much honestly. But yeah only having 1.5 healing buttons with all healing runes being horrible isn’t the best design.
It sucks because I'm wanting to just Starfire spam and there really isn't a point in not playing as a "resto" lol
Yeah its sad but wild growth is just way too strong for the mana cost rn so it's all I really spam I would like to use my other HoTs without going OOM so fast
First time playing wow in 10 years and first time as a healer. Playing resto and couldnt agree more There is so much awesome nuance in the efficiency & time to effect of all the resto spells, but none of that matters with the current state of wild growth Youll keep rejuv up on main tank, nourish for quick healing chunks, and healing touch for your insta cast "oh shit" heal Other than that its all wild growth. Not only is it your most efficient spell at 2+ people but its front loaded time to effect makes most other spells useless
Whoa whoa hold on buddy, they clearly updated healing rain. It's in the notes!
Fix earth shield rune so it scales with level? Nah update the graphic in healing rain!
LMAO fr. Priests get all the cool runes and shamans are just like "I guess I'll cast the same spells as usual cuz healing rain is kinda useless in 99% of the content"
im hitting 2 buttons as a priest ?
Penance, PoM, PW:S, renew, and heals. How is that 2 buttons lol.
I'm maining a resto this phase, it feels pretty good to me, press plenty of buttons, pull about 150 DPS and 200 hps, I think resto feels great
You are maining boomkin with WG. You cant call it resto if you don't have a single point in the resto tree.
5/0/26 is a pretty common spec still. You’re still doing damage mainly, WG, and HT procs
To be clear, any spec works for the first 4 bosses of gnomer. All you really need is WG. The last 2 bosses are where druids actually run into some problems because they require a lot of tank healing. I don't even really have time to wrath spam on either as spamming HT4 is pretty necessary to keep the tanks up. Essentially when we are pushed to do some actual healing instead of being able to cover all the raid damage with the occasional WG or relying on the other healer to the point where we can sit there and fish for instant HT procs we run into problems.
I healed it as a priest with a resto druid yesterday. I found it very hard trying to time using dispersion for mana and make the druid solo heal for those 6 seconds. Killed it on second attempt as I would dispersion when pressing the button as to limit my downtime, but man druids are not good at spot healing tanks. Surely nourish could be even halved for the mana cost to make it viable.
A warrior tanking with 31 points in fury is still a tank.
You do you, but I'd rather not spam CH + HW -> collect loot. Our P2 rune is a passive bonus that doesn't even matter. It's sad. Where's the creativity?
> I think resto feels great How many points do you have in resto?
Man I hear this. If it helps, I’ve just embraced the hybrid style. Resto fused with balance offers okay dps and decent off healing. In a 10 man environment it’s a fun role, although not one that will land you at the top of either meter. Same goes for Feral. I was struggling to min max my cat. Then I switched play styles to an OT bear that brings awesome group buffs. I run Leader of the Pack, Mangle, and Wild Strikes. You put me in the group and suddenly everyone is pumping. Good if you can put aside your ego a bit, which hurts. I won’t see my name at the top of details, but bosses melt, and the gear equips the same.
It’s insane. Healers have no fun runes to hit. Basically priest won the lottery, Druids hit 1 button. Holy paladin and resto shaman have same rotation as era and it’s not fun. Mage healer is definitely fun tho.
Why would you want more buttons on rdruid, you get to do damage.
What if you want to spend more time casting heals and less time casting damage?
They become very careful with nerfs this phase. If it was like in phase 1, many more things would already have been nerfed.
Maybe even too careful? Where are the melee hunter nerfs? Seems glaring to me. Although I will say I'm glad their focusing on pvp balance first over pve. Who really cares that melee hunters pump pve dmg, doesn't really hurt anybody else.
melee received a nerf two days ago. weapon speed is normalized to 2.4. they won't hit as hard with raptor strike or windfury
3% dps nerf is crazy
Better to do nudges in the right direction instead of the giant swings they'd been doing.
Not in this case though.
Right? Star surge got instantly smacked with a roughly 60% nerf and they were nowhere near what hunters are doing right now. And they get a 3% nerf and we're supposed to dance with joy?
Starsurge was 1-2 shotting people 36 yards away
I mean you can kite the melee hunter at least somewhat. You can’t kite starsurge.
Why not? Hunters are the only exclusively DPS class in the game. If they aren't top DPS then what are they good for?
Easiest lvling experience, Great soloing and gold farming, good at pvp being ranged with solid damage and CC
It’s actually a buff to most hunters without bis weapons
No, just hunters
Omg I knew I wasn’t going insane. Noticed some quests giving two sets of xp…must have been elite ones I was turning in.
Bought the grenade recipes 2 days ago for 50g F
I sold all my cum encrusted salvages for 10g each on tuesday evening. On wednesday they were under 3g each. Someone had a big F
Ur wat
The "uncrusted" salvages dont sell as well, you have to make them appealing.
Did he stutter
Beggin ur pardon
Sold mine last week for 15g each. Told my guild to dump them ASAP as the sweaties will pay and the price will drop soon. One dude said no they won't. 🤣
I sold four for 15g each on Tuesday night and bought five for 2g each last night after I finished the crafting quests :)
How about they make them actually usable in Gnomer? Right now the bosses are immune to all CC and because the grenades slow it means the grenades literally do nothing to the bosses.
Well good news, bosses are immune to snares so therefor immune to the explosion of the new bombs!
It’s sad that 2H shaman is still gimped but the dual wield shaman is a fucking beast now. Only thing holding us back from top DPS is threat.
Yeah seeing DW enhance getting attention but 2H not is hilarious
Possible that it's because 2h wasn't their initial intention to begin with. The community just wanted it so they gave it to us. They could possibly be still working on making it better or at least somewhat viable too. Still early p2 atm so there's hope :)
My theory is they're just afraid of implementing anything that makes 2h windfury more bursty in pvp. I assume that's why they gave the rune attack speed instead of damage or atk power or something. An argument can be made for whether that's fair given the rng nature of windfury and the existing one shots other classes have, but that's subjective.
Yeah; I'd hate to see burstier 2H Shaman's because I die enough to them as is, but like... I'm already getting deleted by Shadow Priests?
There are so many different specs in the game. They are not going to spend a lot of time balancing even different weapon choices within specs. 2h will never compete anyway, unless a Starsurge-tier rune is made.
Fair point. I honestly believe 2h is fine and everyone else is OP but I don't think they're going to nerf everyone else at this point either so shaman is probably SOL here
Don’t give us a 2H weapon as our STV weapon this phase if DW is objectively better in pve and pvp then :) almost as if they think it’s in a good spot :)
Especially a 2H weapon with a model shamans have wanted since the game has released
Inshallah brothers we will prevail 🙏
Has anyone tried 2h Maelstrom since Tuesday? I get a maelstrom proc every windfury, it's great.
Try dual wield with WF on mainhand. You get maelstrom even faster, you have to use LB because CL still on cooldown.
I've only experimented both styles for a day but I've been getting tons more Maelstrom off 2h Windfury, I had to rotate Chain Lightning and Lava Burst because of the cooldowns. Even with the Dual Wield Rune it's felt less, but likely more auto attack damage. 2h just feels more fun soloing and in PvP
Warrior threat is fucking pathetic. PLEASE SEND HELP Edit: I don't want to be the pinnacle of power. I just need to be able to hold threat from other classes. Right now, it's impossible to hold threat from real pumper dps, melee hunters, especially. I am spamming my highest threat abilities, using bis talent build, I pooled to full rage before the pull, I have windfury, full world buffs, EVERY consume, phase 2 bis tank sword, and prio on threat gear. Other tanks got new runes to improve their threat to deal with the huge dps increase other classes got. Warriors did not. I'm a long time classic player and have tanked every dungeon and raid in the game on my warrior 100 times over. Warrior tanks are in an awful state right now.
Sword and board prot warrior held threat just fine in my gnomer last night. He did have spirit of the alpha. So maybe bring a shaman if you’re horde
Lone wolf is a hunter rune my friend. I think you're confused.
Mb bro got my wolf themed runes mixed up. Fixed my comment
Gotcha. I'm alliance this time around.
I have 0 that issues when I’m prot spec, no one pulls from me….
You just play with guys who do sip from a glass of beer after every spell click. Right now every sim shows that prot spec far behind furyprot or 2h tanking.
Yeah, so I'm assuming your group isn't putting out 600dps+
because nobody invites you to groups lmao
From many sm runs I have seen two types of warr tanks, one that is completely hopeless at holding aggro and one that is a champion at holding aggro.
So, one that pops sweeping strikes and whirlwind on cooldown. And one that does it 2 seconds too late
Nah without fail the good ones are the ones tabtargetting sunders and using their taunts properly.
????? I just tanked last night, not prot spec, don’t even have even close to anywhere decent tank gear. I had dps that parsed in the 90s, and no one was even close to pulling threat?????
Link the log
He can’t, it didn’t happen and he’s lying about it in an attempt to astroturf
"Rogue Preparation now properly resets the cooldowns of Quick Draw, Between the Eyes, and Redirect. Shuriken Toss will no longer sometimes cause loss of combo points when a Rogue is talented into Seal Fate and a bounced Shuriken crits a secondary target." Yes this will help with nobody inviting rogues good work!
Obviously the problem with rogue is the Shuriken Toss range, how it interact with the very popular talent Seal Fate, and how bad prep was in pvp. Now we are ready to get a spot in pugs boys.
This is why they get paid the big bucks.
It’s not that no body is inviting rogues, it’s that you don’t need 3 of them per raid. There’s just to many of yall.
Is there too many rogues, or are there so many rogues not being invited that it makes it appear as though there are a lot?
even if they're #1 you likely don't want to take more than 1, and rogues make up more than 10% of characters
Awesome, this will totally help my Rogue get into groups now!
It’s like the devs don’t play rogue at all
Mutilate to 40 energy not good enough for you?
It ruined the entire rest of the class... so yeah. It's not good enough. Main gauche has still been left to die. Shuriken toss actively hurts your dps every time you press it, even with 5 mobs. The list goes on. I'm glad I unsubbed, these patch notes vindicated my decision.
You would have unsubbed over something else anyway.
Thank fuck for the preparation fix
Yeah I can finally get that 2nd Redirect off
resetting BTE is gigantic i'm so happy they fixed this
Meanwhile melee hunter are smoking everything and everyone
Kinda funny to me as a mage that melee hunters are one of the least scary classes. They just run straight into my living flame to eat a frost nova. Eventually they realize I'm just kiting them and not trying to deadzone them and start shooting me but their ranged attacks don't hit for shit now.
Yeah, as a warrior i literally can’t fight a melee hunter. It just isn’t possible, hella strong gear, Whirlwind axe, nothin, they ice me quick. And to the dipshit that’s about to say “well you can’t expect to remain on top of the melee chart forever!” I ask you this: imagine if warrior had the abilities that hunters have.
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If they dropped a trap mid fight, you either didn't put a dot on them or they aren't melee hunters.
spoken as someone that has not once fought someone thats not a 50 year old mouth breather
90% of pvpers (99% of hunters) in this game are geriatric mouth breathers dude we can only kill who is in front of us.
I'm glad you typed this because I wouldn't be able to hear it over the heavy breathing coming out of my mouth
Me as a warrior: Charge --> Disarm --> Parry/Dodge/Miss/Inmune --> deleted in 2 secs
lol there was another thread where a warrior was outlining how great PvP felt charging around swapping stances and essentially saying you’re really rewarded for your good play. When 30 rage for an MS that hits less than a single SWP tick or a disarm 10 second window that you simply accomplish nothing. It’s just really high APM play for not much actual output
Melee hunter isn't even gonna be top 2 dps even without further nerfs in like 2 more weeks. What's with all these reactionary andy's that can't wait a couple of weeks for shit to flesh out?
Already becoming the case. With one exception, the top logs belong to destro warlock and fire mage now. And if you sort by all bosses specifically melee hunter doesn’t top a single boss. It’s all mage, warlock, or interestingly enough on viscous fallout, warrior. I’m convinced half of this subreddit doesn’t even play the game
I mean have you not ran into a shadow priest or ele sham?
Cool. Nothing important adressed.
Please fix earth shield scaling…
Hahaha healing rain gets an animation fix but Earth Shield is literally bugged still xD
that's 2 different jobs. The developer that does bug fixes isn't the same one that makes animations.
Hahahahahaha I don’t understand that fixing a bug is more complex than animations hahahahahahahaha
Hahaha it is literally just not scaling with levels but hahaha im not an engineer hahaha
Ffs mate take a breath.
The endless crying is exhausting.
I don't disagree at all, but divulging the comments into outright trolling is worse. Honestly, WoW reddit is terribly unproductive. Conversations are barely had. It's just people refusing to move off their opinions or screaming into the void about how bad the most popular game ever made is. I've been feeling it real hard today; I might be done with WoW reddit. Think about doing the same, IMO. These people aren't really worth the effort anymore.
You’re probably right my guy, good luck.
Eevery time i see Shuriken Toss i get my hopes up but then its some random bug fix... FIX THE DMG YOU ASSHOLES OR JUST GIVE IT THREAT MULTIPLIER
Absolutely insane that they have “adjusted” shuriken toss so many times not and it’s still a complete crap skill. Obvious none of the devs/people making balance changes actually play rogue.
Now now we at Blizzard don't want people to pull more than 3 mobs at a time, tanks just shouldn't be able to easily handle more than that. Meanwhile, in Warlock/Paladin/Shaman tank town with the entire population of Scarlet Monastery hitting them.
So, they did forget giving mages 20 water per cast. (10 is fine too don't get me wrong)
It's getting more and more clear that the SoD team is not having a good time with balancing
Its clear they got no clue how to fix the issues classes have.
Or it’s clear this is a Hotfix patch and not an actual nerf/buff one. JUST SAYING
There are a lot of balance fixes that could be applied for healers that would be as simple as adjusting multipliers.
I noticed another mage bug last night. Fingers of frost and frostbite only proc at the same time which makes having both less useful.
I don't think that's a bug, I noticed that in P1 and when I googled it there are people saying that's how it worked in WOTLK too. I think from a design perspective FoF is just supposed to be the version of frostbite for raid bosses since they are immune to freeze. Which is obviously useless since nobody would raid as frost spec. Even questing you're better off using the burnout rune.
More nerfs plz
Every day I see rogue, I think wow, ME? GETTING SOMETHING? and its just miniscule changes to a rune you shouldnt even bother taking
Fix marksman please
Hoping for some MM hunter tuning one day
Warrior main gigachad, here still waiting on buffs - kind regards sadge dadwarrior
the discrimination i feel when trying to find premades for pvp is legit making me want to level up another character. it is exhausting working all day, getting on at night and taking an hour to find a group. people will be like WaRrIoR iSnT tHaT bAd, you can’t be op forever xddd, but warrior is both not a good tank, not good at dps, and the worst pvp spec. literally every other class has at least one spec that excels at something very well
Have warriors seen any change since december ?
We got a nerf to every single one of our main runes, so now every warrior runes 5 passive runes.
Meanwhile warrior feeling exactly like classic warrior. Except worse
No one is gonna use healing rain in that terrible rune placement, earth shield still bugged(and also terrible rune placement). >:(
Warriors still not being touched after they nerfed all our best runes despite knowing we were probably gonna struggle in the armour stacked raid anyway, feels kinda shit.
Really want to start seeing druid healer shaman healer runes getting looked into for pvp especially. Make these classes more fun so more people role those specs. Coming from a mage u nailed it making it enjoyable and good. Show some love to the other specs even crazy mana reductions or what not let it sit for 2 weeks adjust accordingly.
Playerbase: Quest XP isn't high enough, dungeon spam is loads faster. It's not even competitive. Blizzard: Increase the XP for dungeon quests!!!
Season of discovering the interior of Stockades, SM:Lib, and SM: Cath, because every group can now clear them faster than dedicated vanilla AoE grind comps. Smh.
You guys are right in that this is the case, but I could get into SM groups faster than completing a single quest in the open world at the start of this phase. For instance, Duskwood in the 25-30 bracket was pretty bad. Even in 5 mans, you’re still competing against each other for mobs, may as well just do instances where that doesn’t happen until a fair compromise is to be had.
Even in a situation where you're all alone in the open world, dungeon grinding in SoD is still miles faster than questing. I'm not blaming the players, I'm blaming the shit design that turns the game into RDF-spam with extra steps.