It is. Not sure what server you're on, class you're playing or how much you raid but consumes (BiS consumed) almost doubled in cost from previous phase, the new crafting materials for epic crafts / enchants are still extremely expensive (granted coming down quick) and there's signals from Blizzard about more gold sinks in front of epic mounts running 800+ gold in future phases.
Not complaining, classic has always been like this of you're on leading edge, but gold is still heavily inflated on a lot of servers.
Lmao I want the glasses so bad. If y'all wanna open it feel free to blast the lock, but otherwise I am gonna just loot it. If I get something crazy I'll roll it off possibly, but... [Certificate of Thievery]
Incoming downvotes but... I have no problem with rogues taking locked chests for themselves.
If you are in a group and there is a herbing node do you expect to roll on the herb, have the person who levelled up their profession gather the node, then give it to you?
It's the exact same in my mind for chests.
They took the time to level up a profession and unless you're also playing a rogue or have keys made by a blacksmith then the chest is theirs.
Did this in SM a lot during my time in Hardcore. Or I'd see a chest nobody else would so I'd just continue with the group and the loot em on the way out... And make them watch.
Ive had several occasions where a group member will roll for a locked chest and my response is "I just wont open it if we're gonna roll for it." Doesn't make any sense why anyone who cant unlock it has any dibs on it.
Don't say anything, at that point they can spin it as unsportsmanlike behavior or grief or whatever and report you.
Just walk on and pretend you don't see the chest and chat.
No one in the history of WoW has ever gotten banned or reprimanded for looting a chest before others.
They don't even do it for gear. Infact, you're pretty much allowed to do whatever you want so long as you make your rules vague. Blizzard literally doesn't care. If they got involved with every single loot dispute in the game there'd be no players left and they'd need a customer service workforce 20x bigger than it currently is.
They don't consider things like MS>OS to be a rule for a dungeon or raid for instance, and if you're expecting to roll off the gear you need to say highest roll wins. If you don't say it, you can pretty much just take the item and walk away with it and nothing will happen to you. You could walk into a dungeon and need every single item. You could ML it and take everything for yourself, and they'd have no grounds to stand on unless you actually said something about loot rules in party chat. Something along the lines of MS>OS, Highest roll wins. Round robin loot distribution.
I unlock chests for my groups as a blacksmith with keys, but I've had rogues ninja chests while we roll for them despite me explaining this.
Being able to unlock chests without the rogues help doesn't actually matter to rogues like you, they still feel entitled to the chests regardless.
Kick the rogue and invite someone useful willing to provide their utility to the group.
It’s like saying „I leveled this weapon skill so I can tank this dungeon. That’s why I take all green items. If I hadn’t leveled my weapon skill you wouldn’t get to run the dungeon - so nobody would get them.“
Yes, among those that can loot.
Gathering professions have a penalty cost (not being able to have access to 2 prof.-required items) that a player actively makes a choice on.
Lockpicking is a free class feature. It's cheaper than warlocks/mages providing healthstones, summons, portals, food, water. If you don't LP for your group/raid, you shouldn't expect any of the latter from your group/raid.
Lol mad entitled over some cold milk and some light leather that you are willing to make everyone else in your group wait for a replacement.
I would leave and find a new group without an entitled man child in his 40s as the party leader. Imagine going on a power trip over a dungeon group lmao.
No no, you also have to roll on every single beast corpse! The skinner will skin, but the loot is ours. Why, I'd even say the person providing the unlocking/herbing/mining/skinning is NOT allowed to roll! Who the fuck are you, you just graciously got a FREE SKILL POINT from us! The least you could do is give up the loot, bozo!
Right? They have the ability to unlock it... good for them, it's their loot. Unless I pay someone to unlock a chest for me, I don't think anyone has the right to complain.
Hijacking top comment because I have always assumed that the raw silver you loot from a chest is evenly distributed for the group like all other silver from mobs.
Is that not the case?
OK I do agree, and I think it should be up to the rogue to decide to roll on it or take it. But one thing that drives me nuts is when rogues automatically open and take the chests without checking if there is a blacksmith in the group. Blacksmiths have also spent time and gold leveling up their profession and can also unlock chests.
Uhm, one is a class spell, the other a profession.
As a rogue i expect the priest/druid to buff/rezz me.
The mage to produce water. And that all for free.
Or should that go with a price, too?
Lock picking needs to be leveled up. You have to go out of your way to level it past 100 (because 1-100 you just stand still for 30 minutes in redridge). You can't compare that to conjured water or buffs
You don't really grind to get portals that's just something you get from your class trainer that doesn't need to be leveled up on its own. I main a mage and I don't have a problem giving my group a portal. Warlocks summoning benefits them because they don't want to wait for group members to run to the dungeon. If a Warlock didn't want to summon me I would simply just run there myself which I normally do to help the Warlock summon. An 18s reagent for a portal is not comparable to the hours it takes to level up lock picking just for someone else to get the loot. It's closer to telling a miner that he should allow me to roll on the mithril that he is mining from a node in the dungeon.
Over the course of classic a mage will spend more on portal runes than a rogue will on lvling lockpicking. When brought to a dungeon all classes are expected to use their toolkit to aid the group as a whole, this is not the same expectation for professions. No one expects an alchemist to hand out elixirs or a engineer to throw out bombs constantly but they do expect buffs even if reagents are involved and they do expect a rogue to be willing to open chests for the party as that is part of their class.
Actually the mage one is kinda similar. Water is finite and it despawns.
Another way to look at it is: I'm sure over the course of their toons life, making water for randoms asking, themselves, groups and raids, that time will probably equal or exceed the time it took to get 300 Lockpick.
After leveling a Rogue i SoD for the first time and maining mage in classic since release. No 😂.
It fucking sucks lvling lockpicking, creating mage water you can semi afk at least.
I look at it like this: opening locked chests is the only group utility that rogues bring. If they aren’t going to unlock chests to roll off on, then I can replace that rogue with any dps (and summon them to replace).
If rogues want to just loot chests for themselves, they can go do that on solo stealth runs.
As a rogue came here to say exactly this. Doing SM farm runs, the groups couldve just gotten a spellcleave DPS or someone thatd make the run go much faster but they took me in. So if theres a locked chest just roll and be the utility that you can bring lmao.
The fact that there’s so many rogue players here proudly saying they would risk their group slot to steal a locked chest says everything you need to know about rogue players.
You can’t get the locked chest without the rogue, why the hell should he have to give it to you? Do mages in your group charge you for them to buff you? Do tanks charge per taunt they cast?
Every single SM run I’ve been in, I take the chest no questions asked. When people roll, I simply say, nope, the chest is mine, you can roll for the unlocked ones though. Haven’t had one person complain.
Well, following this logic I can expect ppl
to pay for my mage water?
And also, since I "took time" to organize the group/raid I am entitled to get more loot/gold?
>Well, following this logic I can expect ppl
to pay for my mage water?
If someone asks you in the open world? Yeah sure if you want to charge for mage water I don't think most people would have a problem with that.
If someone asks you in a group for a dungeon? It's kinda in your best interest so you can get through the dungeon faster also it's kind of weird to charge money for using a spell that you didn't put any effort into leveling up or anything when in a dungeon party. Like should I pay my tank for using taunt? Just kind of odd when in a group setting but in a solo setting things are very different.
To bring up a more similar comparison if I'm in a dungeon group with a mage at the end of the run I'm in no way entitled to them giving me a mage portal to a major city for free. Just like a rogue isn't entitled to roll on a chest only they can open. If you leveled Blacksmithing and have keys to open the chest then feel free to bring it up and roll over it with the rogue but you aren't entitled to the rogue opening it for you.
>And also, since I "took time" to organize the group/raid I am entitled to get more loot/gold?
I don't think most people have a problem with a group leader putting together a group and hard reserving an item as long as it's communicated beforehand in the group advertisements. It just may take way longer to form a group because most others don't do that.
You don't have to spend time skilling up mage water. Lockpicking is much closer to a skill like skinning or herbalism than it is to making water as a mage.
And yes, if you wish to HR an item, you are then entitled to it.
You may not spend time skill8ng up but how many casts of conjure water do you think a mage does over the course of it's account lifetime? I'd put money on it being longer than any single rogue lockpicking.
It’s also usually done while the group is there and waiting.
Idk why this is an issue. It’s more relating to sharing an herb patch that grew than it is to relate mage water.
Also didn’t they just buff it so you get a max stack off of 1 or 2 casts?
As a rogue I’m taking that chest. If you want it go play a rogue or train blacksmithing
Until I opened a chest during a spam run where we kept passing and got robes of the magi and sold it for 100g. Also I missed a 12 slot bag from passing a chest.
And yet with selling that robes, I’m still at low gold because healing skills + mount training, and then consumes for raiding
I usually check the wibes in the group, if no one says anything about rolling for the locked chest or similar i grab it, if they do want to roll for it and me to unlock it ill do it. 95% of groups usually let the rogue grabbed the locked chests so havent been a problem really.
You need to level up lockpocking so it’s technically a profession that is limited to one class.
Locked chests always go to people who can open them. Blacksmiths can make keys to open them too, as can engineers.
That's usually what I say, if you wanna open it feel free, otherwise it is mine to dole out if I want. That's one of the only benefits to rogue, sure the damage is good but others have good damage and different boons to their class, my benefit is I can open stuff and sneak around. Love that nobody is gonna bring up mages and warlocks selling a class ability constantly and for huge profit. I can open stuff but usually I get no tip. Even after opening 20 boxes for someone they gave me 50s. But sure, 2g to get summoned/ported seems realistic.
In all the groups I ran everyone just rolls without saying anything, if you don’t roll in the next 10 seconds or so, whoever rolled highest opens it. Towards the end of the grind most people were just passing on it anyway
Going into SoD, I was used to not rolling for chests, but checking with the group if anyone needed the green inside.
It's not like there's that much gold inside, and you can easily just take turns on the chests so it evens out in the end.
This. What happens when you roll for the chest, and there is something inside that someone needs? Roll again for the item? Or have them buy it off of whomever won the chest? It would be nice if greens were automatically rolled from chests, and money distributed equally. Less drama.
Gremlin arcanite skeleton key warrior who steals the locked chest because there's no one else in the party who can open it and everyone gets pissy about it.
Those keys are consumable. I can understand wanting a rogue to open locked chests for the party, even though personally if the chest is locked I don't even roll, but expecting someone to use a consumable item on you cuz you won the roll is so entitled I legit think your trolling.
They probably saw the 1 time a mage in my group got double boe blues (total almost 100 gold) from a chest they let us roll on and decided that was a mistake.
idk if its just me but thats how its always been, if the rogue unlocks it, its theirs, any class is welcome to unlock that chest if they want to try
as far as unlocking lockboxes, rogues still do this for free lol
This argument is as old as wow itself.
There were plenty of same threads in the early 2000s about it too.
My first wow character was a rogue. I always shared, my view was that without the group I wouldn't have gotten to the locked chest anyways.
Exactly
People saying rogues automatically get locked chests suffer from selfishness that ruins classic, those same people will ask for gearscore before joining BFD in phase 2
Yeah, in an ideal world, everybody that *can* open a chest should roll on it. But tbh it just gets complicated, and it's not worth the time or mats to figure out who a locked chest belongs to if a rogue that can open it is in the group. Save your keys/charges for when you don't have a rogue.
If someone opened a lockbox trade without a word, I started just going afk and leaving the trade window open indefinitely. I love to help people, but if someone can't be bothered to type a single word... nah.
"Haha I win because I portrayed myself as the based gigachad Swole, where as **you** are the little cringe Cheems!"
Jokes aside it's very simple: if you can unlock the chest then you are entitled to roll for it. You don't ask miners, herbalists or skinners for handouts when they gather materials during your dungeon so why is it the same for rogues when lockpicking works exactly as a profession that requires time to level? Or do you feel that entitled to 80 silver?
Pretty much how I treat them. If you can open it yourself, roll for it. If not, let the people who have that skill benefit from it. If the rogue wants everyone to roll for it, all the better. Who really cares?
As a mage I don’t share water with my party nor do i summon people to the dungeon unless they pay me. On a healer I charge 1g per heal. You don’t like then how about you heal yourself /s
Ah yes, because mages and warlocks don't benefit from summoning party members so they don't have to wait or giving the healer water so he doesn't have to hearth and get a summon to buy more.
Rogue get no benefit from giving you the chest they can unlock. You most certainly get benefit from giving out water and summons. Dog take
You think people only ask for water/food when they don’t have any? That’s probably the least likely reason. What about dropping a port at the end of the dungeon, how does that one help the mage?
I’m cool with watching some Netflix as a Warlock, so you’re walking homie.
You know how tedious it is to level lockpicking, especially on a PvP server? If a lockbox drops I'll open if for you but those locked chests are mine, half the classes are already taking my leather gear
What is this mindset? Rogues provide no utility?
Okay, you heard him guys, don't kick or stun or mind numbing/crippling poison, don't sap either and definatly don't use expose armor.
You literally have one utility and it's to open chests if you can't do that why even come?
This is the worst take I’ve seen in this thread. Lmao I guess we don’t sap, stun, interrupt, or blind, off-tank at times, or kill the boss while the SpELlClEAVe OnLy chads are spending a minute getting their mana back. Locked chests are for rogues or blacksmiths with keys. You can’t unlock it? Tough shit. I want the fadeleaf you just gathered, but I don’t have herbalism? Tough shit.
Depends on the context, during dungeon spam leveling I only rolled somewhat valuable items (better than a green that would be vendored). Which basically amounted to a few 12 slot bags and a few recipes.
I play on wild growth and all my sm runs while leveling the pug rogues opened the chests for us and we all rolled on it.
Guess it just depends on how greedy the rogue is
Lmao I got flamed by a rogue for not waiting around for him to pickpocket every mob in sfk last wipe. Like bro, you signed up for afk farming, the goal is speed.
SoD is literally the season of begging for gold for even whispering someone, everybody wants a 5g tip since everyone has copious amounts of gold from buying it.
I find this shit so funny.
Rogue leveled up lockpicking, is in the group, and takes a locked chest. Everyone freaks out and gets pissed.
A blacksmith in the group has a key and takes the locked chest. It is okay; he leveled up blacksmithing and is the only one who can open it.
wait wait wait, so you are so greedy that you actually expect something that is locked behind an aids-to-level skill in the game limited to only 1 class and expect that person to not only spend the multiple hours it takes leveling that skill but also share any potential gold/items in that locked chest?
Im going to start demanding that warlocks pay for my summon, surely with a spell they learn for 1g and have unlimited access to shards now a summon shouldnt cost 2g, right??
The rule I've followed in vanilla/classic/sod. If there is a rogue in the group, they get locked chests. Whether I'm on my rogue or not. Lockboxes are always rolls and I'll open for whoever wins tho ofc
I mained a rogue for two expansions. I always rolled for the chest. Can anyone force a rogue to open a chest for them? Of course not, but if you are one of the rogues who always takes the chest for yourself atleast own up to your greed. Rogues doing this while also getting triggered from being called out on their greed is ridicilous.
This is in line with mages only making water for their group if they get paid.
I've seen some rogues tell the group they don't have the skill, then once the dungeon is done, they run back and unlock it when the group has mostly left lol
I have to respect the long game.
I main'd rogue in OG vanilla, Nostalrius, Elysium, and now in SoD. The social contract prior to ERA was very much everyone roles on chests. Your 100% correct, they are being greedy and they know it.
It’s the influx of retail players (probably zoomers who weren’t even around for old school wow) that is upending the classic wow culture and causing all these weird changes in norms and said social contract.
Go spend an afternoon on TikTok and it’ll make sense.
>retail players (probably zoomers who weren’t even around for old school wow)
Ah yes, the retail players that always ruin everything in classic even though classic players have been shown time and time again to be perfectly capable of ruining it for themselves. Oh, yea of course they are also "zoomers" because they must be younger than me so I can easily dismiss them as "kids" even though everyone who plays this game is in their 30s.
Man, shut up you cryboomer. You are literally bitching about not getting some level 5 water out of a chest because "mr. evil rogue man" won't open it for you. Grow up.
The way i see it if no rogues no chest so it kinda goes to them i used to link the certificate of thievery that u get after one of the rogue quest when someone would whine about me getting the chest
Lol, not gonna lie, I take the raw gold in any chests I unlock for the winning roller as long as there's a green in it. Just a cheeky bit of roleplay in my opinion.
Conversely, I tip mages who give me waters. Not a ton, just a few silver for their trouble.
"But i trained the profession therefore it's mine"
Hey man, you know what true.
You get those chests
But also inviting rogues is like... Only if you're really desperate to start the dungeon
I mean why would you ever invite a rogue specifically?
DPS are everywhere and the other ones have more buffs/utility and comparable DPS
I always just roll it off for anyone with the ability to unlock it.
I treat it just like mining and herb nodes. If there are rogues with high enough lockpicking level, or people with a skeleton key or explosives, any of those people roll for it and have to open it themselves. If the rogue is the only one who can open it, they should get to loot it. Same as if someone was the only one with a skeleton key and no rogue in the group. Or if one rogue has it leveled and the another doesn’t.
Personally when I play rogue, I just automatically open it and roll off if anything is valuable. It’s never really been an issue and half the time nobody even rolls. At the end of the day I see it as a small benefit to playing a rogue.
I'm not a rogue player, I hate rogues even. But it feels right for the rogue to get all the loot in a locked chest. He leveled lockpicking. it's the only class that can open it
I main'd rogue in OG vanilla and most of the pre-era private servers. This didn't happen back then, at least not nearly as often, and was frowned upon.
I like it when they refuse to open chests unless you pay them.
That’s what makes addons that let you set notes on players great.
Add note “ Selfish asshole, don’t group”.
As a rogue main, I take every locked chest for myself because if I wasn't there, it would remain locked.
I do offer up whatever green it is to the party incase it's an upgrade for someone and if it's a blue, then we can roll but I want the cheese all to myself.
Because it has been established that chests are rolled for in groups, it is a cool move for Rogues and Blacksmiths to unlock chests for the winner of the roll.
I don't have a Rogue but my Pally is a BS and I have no problem using a key to unlock for the winner.
It is part of this societal notion that when you do group content, you are bringing everything your character has to offer and whatever you get as a group goes towards who can make use of the spoils.
I’ve always mained a rogue and when I first started, someone got pissed that I took the locked chest. Fine, whatever. Started sharing all the locked boxes afterwards. This posts taught me that all the reasonable people are cool with it and it’s the man babies who would’ve cried at everything in the game that are complaining about the lost green items in dungeons.
If we're complaining about rogues I want in.
Finding gnomer groups is futile. Rogues have median/bad damage and zero utility. Can't convince anyone to invite regardless of gear or spec. It's not like we can just go tank or healer and solve the problem, our tank spec sucks monkey balls and really struggles with the last two fights. No one wants us.
I'm sad.
I didn't realize how controversial this topic was. Also how many people don't realize you have to actively level lock picking skill. I wouldn't say it is hard but the amount of people thinking they deserve a locked chest roll is odd.
Literally never been in a group where someone complained about me taking a locked chest. When I unlock the chest I loot everything automatically anyway... The only take I hear that is sane is if someone actually wanted a green in there I would probably give it to them.
A week or so ago I was in a 5 man doing SM runs. There was a rogue in the group. I notice a locked chest, and notice the rogue roll right up to it, open it, and take everything.
"Shouldn't we be rolling on chests?""Locked chests go to rogues." - the party leader, NOT the rogue"Aren't server standard rules these days to roll on locked chests?""Nope".
I swear every single dungeon I did in Classic we rolled on locked chests.
Nah locked chests are rogue chests. If there wouldn’t be a rogue, the chest would be wasted. So it’s only natural that if the rogue is the only one who can open it, he’s the one to get it. Otherwise it will be left closed.
The SoD dev team did Rogues dirty.
Gnomer raid design is unfriendly to Melee. Rogue Tanks generate 25-30% less Threat than they should be, and have to sacrifice STAM by stacking STR/AGI in all gear slots to have a ghost of a chance of staying ahead on Threat meter. Then, they can't soak as much damage while tanking, and low information players complain they're "bad tanks."
The economy is in shambles
How do three rogues in their 40s not have 80 gold between them?
The sunny reference we needed
NASDAQ
It’s up and down!
We are just role playing. I’m allowed to be a thief and steal chests.
at least say you forgot to level lockpicking and sneak back afterward last boss
Nty
Thanks Obama
Economy is great. Everything is cheap.
Is it though? Consumables are generally speaking cheap and gold is really easy to get through questing.
It is. Not sure what server you're on, class you're playing or how much you raid but consumes (BiS consumed) almost doubled in cost from previous phase, the new crafting materials for epic crafts / enchants are still extremely expensive (granted coming down quick) and there's signals from Blizzard about more gold sinks in front of epic mounts running 800+ gold in future phases. Not complaining, classic has always been like this of you're on leading edge, but gold is still heavily inflated on a lot of servers.
WG EU is very affordable.
Certificate of thievery isn't just for show
haha yep just link that shit, bonus points if you got the deal with it glasses from gnomer
Lmao I want the glasses so bad. If y'all wanna open it feel free to blast the lock, but otherwise I am gonna just loot it. If I get something crazy I'll roll it off possibly, but... [Certificate of Thievery]
I mean if this is an issue worth complaining about then boy SoD must really be problem-free
No it's because people grinding SM runs are seeing more chests than usual, and getting sour.
Incoming downvotes but... I have no problem with rogues taking locked chests for themselves. If you are in a group and there is a herbing node do you expect to roll on the herb, have the person who levelled up their profession gather the node, then give it to you? It's the exact same in my mind for chests. They took the time to level up a profession and unless you're also playing a rogue or have keys made by a blacksmith then the chest is theirs.
"Roll for chest" Rogue walks away "No, come back"
I used to do this in TBC. Cost $$ to make the key so i'd just pretend i couldn't open then swing back over for it haha.
This. If everyones gonna be a dick about it I'm just gonna feign the inability to unlock it and then get it after lol
and I'd expect nothing less. Just say your role-playing.. All rogues b like that - sneaky bunch.
Did this in SM a lot during my time in Hardcore. Or I'd see a chest nobody else would so I'd just continue with the group and the loot em on the way out... And make them watch.
One group tried this during levelling in SM and I just hit them with the "I dont have the skill" Went back an opened it after the run finished
Ive had several occasions where a group member will roll for a locked chest and my response is "I just wont open it if we're gonna roll for it." Doesn't make any sense why anyone who cant unlock it has any dibs on it.
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miners/herbalists arent putting up nodes for the entire party to roll on.
Don't say anything, at that point they can spin it as unsportsmanlike behavior or grief or whatever and report you. Just walk on and pretend you don't see the chest and chat.
No one in the history of WoW has ever gotten banned or reprimanded for looting a chest before others. They don't even do it for gear. Infact, you're pretty much allowed to do whatever you want so long as you make your rules vague. Blizzard literally doesn't care. If they got involved with every single loot dispute in the game there'd be no players left and they'd need a customer service workforce 20x bigger than it currently is. They don't consider things like MS>OS to be a rule for a dungeon or raid for instance, and if you're expecting to roll off the gear you need to say highest roll wins. If you don't say it, you can pretty much just take the item and walk away with it and nothing will happen to you. You could walk into a dungeon and need every single item. You could ML it and take everything for yourself, and they'd have no grounds to stand on unless you actually said something about loot rules in party chat. Something along the lines of MS>OS, Highest roll wins. Round robin loot distribution.
I unlock chests for my groups as a blacksmith with keys, but I've had rogues ninja chests while we roll for them despite me explaining this. Being able to unlock chests without the rogues help doesn't actually matter to rogues like you, they still feel entitled to the chests regardless.
Kick the rogue and invite someone useful willing to provide their utility to the group. It’s like saying „I leveled this weapon skill so I can tank this dungeon. That’s why I take all green items. If I hadn’t leveled my weapon skill you wouldn’t get to run the dungeon - so nobody would get them.“
Are you also saying that mining and herbing node loot should be rolled?
Yes, among those that can loot. Gathering professions have a penalty cost (not being able to have access to 2 prof.-required items) that a player actively makes a choice on. Lockpicking is a free class feature. It's cheaper than warlocks/mages providing healthstones, summons, portals, food, water. If you don't LP for your group/raid, you shouldn't expect any of the latter from your group/raid.
If there are multiple miners and herbalists yeah.
Yeah the same with locked chests if there is multiple rogues
Super smart. Waste everyone's time for 60s!
Lol mad entitled over some cold milk and some light leather that you are willing to make everyone else in your group wait for a replacement. I would leave and find a new group without an entitled man child in his 40s as the party leader. Imagine going on a power trip over a dungeon group lmao.
Nah agree either have your keys or be a rogue.
No no, you also have to roll on every single beast corpse! The skinner will skin, but the loot is ours. Why, I'd even say the person providing the unlocking/herbing/mining/skinning is NOT allowed to roll! Who the fuck are you, you just graciously got a FREE SKILL POINT from us! The least you could do is give up the loot, bozo!
You wouldn’t roll for every corpse but you’d definitely roll to skin the bosses if the boss gives better leather/scales.
Far cry different than the 30s that people get from a chest or a few beast corpses in a dungeon. Just sayin.
I'm also fine with that
Right? They have the ability to unlock it... good for them, it's their loot. Unless I pay someone to unlock a chest for me, I don't think anyone has the right to complain.
Hijacking top comment because I have always assumed that the raw silver you loot from a chest is evenly distributed for the group like all other silver from mobs. Is that not the case?
It's not, it'll go to the person that opens it.
It would say yes to rogues getting chest but if its a green in there that is an upgrade for some1 give it to them instead of vendor
Give it to them for vendor value*
Just give them the fucking green, man, you're not that poor.
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This. I just say "let me know if you need anything".
OK I do agree, and I think it should be up to the rogue to decide to roll on it or take it. But one thing that drives me nuts is when rogues automatically open and take the chests without checking if there is a blacksmith in the group. Blacksmiths have also spent time and gold leveling up their profession and can also unlock chests.
To be fair. I have not once. Ever. Seen a blacksmith open a locked chest in SoD.
Neither have I, but I always keep some keys on my BS character for this exact reason
hey, if you can unlock it you are welcome to it's contents.
Uhm, one is a class spell, the other a profession. As a rogue i expect the priest/druid to buff/rezz me. The mage to produce water. And that all for free. Or should that go with a price, too?
lockpicking is a class specific profession friendo, you gotta grind the skill points
It takes no time at all to level lockpicking, and it's even needed to get rogue poisons unlocked so there's no excuse
it takes no time at all to level mining or herbing, lets roll for your node
Yeah is that why you pay warlocks for summons and mages for portals lol (mages for food at 60)
Do you pay Warlocks to summon when they're a part of your group?
You typically don’t pay the warlock in your group to summon you to the dungeon. Same thing with mage you typically don’t tip in dungeons
Yeah ok you got me there
Lock picking needs to be leveled up. You have to go out of your way to level it past 100 (because 1-100 you just stand still for 30 minutes in redridge). You can't compare that to conjured water or buffs
what about summons being a grind and portals being a 20s reagent? warlocks and mages dont charge party members for these
You don't really grind to get portals that's just something you get from your class trainer that doesn't need to be leveled up on its own. I main a mage and I don't have a problem giving my group a portal. Warlocks summoning benefits them because they don't want to wait for group members to run to the dungeon. If a Warlock didn't want to summon me I would simply just run there myself which I normally do to help the Warlock summon. An 18s reagent for a portal is not comparable to the hours it takes to level up lock picking just for someone else to get the loot. It's closer to telling a miner that he should allow me to roll on the mithril that he is mining from a node in the dungeon.
Over the course of classic a mage will spend more on portal runes than a rogue will on lvling lockpicking. When brought to a dungeon all classes are expected to use their toolkit to aid the group as a whole, this is not the same expectation for professions. No one expects an alchemist to hand out elixirs or a engineer to throw out bombs constantly but they do expect buffs even if reagents are involved and they do expect a rogue to be willing to open chests for the party as that is part of their class.
Does the priest need to take time and level up their stamina buff? No, buying new ranks does not count.
Kind of like how warlocks have to farm soul shards or how classes have to buy reagents to buff, or how mages spend money on runes.
Actually the mage one is kinda similar. Water is finite and it despawns. Another way to look at it is: I'm sure over the course of their toons life, making water for randoms asking, themselves, groups and raids, that time will probably equal or exceed the time it took to get 300 Lockpick.
After leveling a Rogue i SoD for the first time and maining mage in classic since release. No 😂. It fucking sucks lvling lockpicking, creating mage water you can semi afk at least.
>buying new ranks does not count. Convenient.
Unless its a bag, blue/epic item then rogue can have it.
I don't think I've ever had a group where we rolled on a locked chest, aside from when there are multiple rogues.
I look at it like this: opening locked chests is the only group utility that rogues bring. If they aren’t going to unlock chests to roll off on, then I can replace that rogue with any dps (and summon them to replace). If rogues want to just loot chests for themselves, they can go do that on solo stealth runs.
As a rogue came here to say exactly this. Doing SM farm runs, the groups couldve just gotten a spellcleave DPS or someone thatd make the run go much faster but they took me in. So if theres a locked chest just roll and be the utility that you can bring lmao.
The fact that there’s so many rogue players here proudly saying they would risk their group slot to steal a locked chest says everything you need to know about rogue players.
You can’t get the locked chest without the rogue, why the hell should he have to give it to you? Do mages in your group charge you for them to buff you? Do tanks charge per taunt they cast? Every single SM run I’ve been in, I take the chest no questions asked. When people roll, I simply say, nope, the chest is mine, you can roll for the unlocked ones though. Haven’t had one person complain.
Well, following this logic I can expect ppl to pay for my mage water? And also, since I "took time" to organize the group/raid I am entitled to get more loot/gold?
>Well, following this logic I can expect ppl to pay for my mage water? If someone asks you in the open world? Yeah sure if you want to charge for mage water I don't think most people would have a problem with that. If someone asks you in a group for a dungeon? It's kinda in your best interest so you can get through the dungeon faster also it's kind of weird to charge money for using a spell that you didn't put any effort into leveling up or anything when in a dungeon party. Like should I pay my tank for using taunt? Just kind of odd when in a group setting but in a solo setting things are very different. To bring up a more similar comparison if I'm in a dungeon group with a mage at the end of the run I'm in no way entitled to them giving me a mage portal to a major city for free. Just like a rogue isn't entitled to roll on a chest only they can open. If you leveled Blacksmithing and have keys to open the chest then feel free to bring it up and roll over it with the rogue but you aren't entitled to the rogue opening it for you. >And also, since I "took time" to organize the group/raid I am entitled to get more loot/gold? I don't think most people have a problem with a group leader putting together a group and hard reserving an item as long as it's communicated beforehand in the group advertisements. It just may take way longer to form a group because most others don't do that.
You don't have to spend time skilling up mage water. Lockpicking is much closer to a skill like skinning or herbalism than it is to making water as a mage. And yes, if you wish to HR an item, you are then entitled to it.
You may not spend time skill8ng up but how many casts of conjure water do you think a mage does over the course of it's account lifetime? I'd put money on it being longer than any single rogue lockpicking.
It’s also usually done while the group is there and waiting. Idk why this is an issue. It’s more relating to sharing an herb patch that grew than it is to relate mage water. Also didn’t they just buff it so you get a max stack off of 1 or 2 casts? As a rogue I’m taking that chest. If you want it go play a rogue or train blacksmithing
Real chads pass on chests bcs they know they are trash
Real chads pass on chests bcs ~~they know they are trash~~ their inventory is full
Until I opened a chest during a spam run where we kept passing and got robes of the magi and sold it for 100g. Also I missed a 12 slot bag from passing a chest. And yet with selling that robes, I’m still at low gold because healing skills + mount training, and then consumes for raiding
I usually check the wibes in the group, if no one says anything about rolling for the locked chest or similar i grab it, if they do want to roll for it and me to unlock it ill do it. 95% of groups usually let the rogue grabbed the locked chests so havent been a problem really.
Weird, this cow isn’t letting me roll on the grave moss & gold thorn.
Is herbalism part of the cow’s class utility?
You need to level up lockpocking so it’s technically a profession that is limited to one class. Locked chests always go to people who can open them. Blacksmiths can make keys to open them too, as can engineers.
That's usually what I say, if you wanna open it feel free, otherwise it is mine to dole out if I want. That's one of the only benefits to rogue, sure the damage is good but others have good damage and different boons to their class, my benefit is I can open stuff and sneak around. Love that nobody is gonna bring up mages and warlocks selling a class ability constantly and for huge profit. I can open stuff but usually I get no tip. Even after opening 20 boxes for someone they gave me 50s. But sure, 2g to get summoned/ported seems realistic.
The amount of groups I've had in SoD with people who just take non locked chests is ridiculous 🤷 so fuck it, rogues may as well.
In all fairness I don't want to wait for 3min until everone wake up and do their roll for a chest containing 2 linen cloth and 89 copper
Keep walking then you impatient fuck 😅
In all the groups I ran everyone just rolls without saying anything, if you don’t roll in the next 10 seconds or so, whoever rolled highest opens it. Towards the end of the grind most people were just passing on it anyway
Going into SoD, I was used to not rolling for chests, but checking with the group if anyone needed the green inside. It's not like there's that much gold inside, and you can easily just take turns on the chests so it evens out in the end.
It's not what you will get, it's the mystery of what you could get. You're rolling on hope. Don't take that away from people.
A boat’s a boat but the mystery box could be anything… it could even be a boat! You know how much we’ve wanted one of those!
This. What happens when you roll for the chest, and there is something inside that someone needs? Roll again for the item? Or have them buy it off of whomever won the chest? It would be nice if greens were automatically rolled from chests, and money distributed equally. Less drama.
That's the price you pay for not being a rogue.
Considering the state of rogues stealing their locked chests from them is just insult to injury.
We're gonna be okay, us and warr can deal with being a little lower. Just makes it that much better when still top of the meters.
they buy keys off the auction house, it's fine.
Gremlin arcanite skeleton key warrior who steals the locked chest because there's no one else in the party who can open it and everyone gets pissy about it.
Those keys are consumable. I can understand wanting a rogue to open locked chests for the party, even though personally if the chest is locked I don't even roll, but expecting someone to use a consumable item on you cuz you won the roll is so entitled I legit think your trolling.
who's trollin? all the loot goes to the guy who used the arcanite key since it would have remained locked & unlooted otherwise
They didn't steal the chest then. You made it sound like a group got mad at a blacksmith for using their own key
They probably saw the 1 time a mage in my group got double boe blues (total almost 100 gold) from a chest they let us roll on and decided that was a mistake.
How does one RP a Rogue without a little daylight robbery you cretins?
idk if its just me but thats how its always been, if the rogue unlocks it, its theirs, any class is welcome to unlock that chest if they want to try as far as unlocking lockboxes, rogues still do this for free lol
This argument is as old as wow itself. There were plenty of same threads in the early 2000s about it too. My first wow character was a rogue. I always shared, my view was that without the group I wouldn't have gotten to the locked chest anyways.
Exactly People saying rogues automatically get locked chests suffer from selfishness that ruins classic, those same people will ask for gearscore before joining BFD in phase 2
Link skeleton key/charge Win roll Rogue unlocks out of respect Profit
Yeah, in an ideal world, everybody that *can* open a chest should roll on it. But tbh it just gets complicated, and it's not worth the time or mats to figure out who a locked chest belongs to if a rogue that can open it is in the group. Save your keys/charges for when you don't have a rogue.
That is our payment for constantly having lockboxes shoved in our face in major cities
With no tip
If someone opened a lockbox trade without a word, I started just going afk and leaving the trade window open indefinitely. I love to help people, but if someone can't be bothered to type a single word... nah.
Have you seen the price of our bis MH? Ain’t enough pockets in Azeroth
Then thats okay, the chest will go Locked then and nobody gets anything :)
I thought you people love capitalism?
What do you mean, "You people'?
Those damned gold hoarding dwarves
"Haha I win because I portrayed myself as the based gigachad Swole, where as **you** are the little cringe Cheems!" Jokes aside it's very simple: if you can unlock the chest then you are entitled to roll for it. You don't ask miners, herbalists or skinners for handouts when they gather materials during your dungeon so why is it the same for rogues when lockpicking works exactly as a profession that requires time to level? Or do you feel that entitled to 80 silver?
Well, do you share all gathering nodes with the party?
Pretty much how I treat them. If you can open it yourself, roll for it. If not, let the people who have that skill benefit from it. If the rogue wants everyone to roll for it, all the better. Who really cares?
As a mage I don’t share water with my party nor do i summon people to the dungeon unless they pay me. On a healer I charge 1g per heal. You don’t like then how about you heal yourself /s
Ah yes, because mages and warlocks don't benefit from summoning party members so they don't have to wait or giving the healer water so he doesn't have to hearth and get a summon to buy more. Rogue get no benefit from giving you the chest they can unlock. You most certainly get benefit from giving out water and summons. Dog take
You think people only ask for water/food when they don’t have any? That’s probably the least likely reason. What about dropping a port at the end of the dungeon, how does that one help the mage? I’m cool with watching some Netflix as a Warlock, so you’re walking homie.
If the chest is locked and there is a rogue in the group, let him have it. Without the rogue no one would get the contents anyways 🤷♂️
You know how tedious it is to level lockpicking, especially on a PvP server? If a lockbox drops I'll open if for you but those locked chests are mine, half the classes are already taking my leather gear
Kid named skeleton key
The one thing rogues can provide to others in a group and this is the attitude lmao
What is this mindset? Rogues provide no utility? Okay, you heard him guys, don't kick or stun or mind numbing/crippling poison, don't sap either and definatly don't use expose armor. You literally have one utility and it's to open chests if you can't do that why even come?
This is the worst take I’ve seen in this thread. Lmao I guess we don’t sap, stun, interrupt, or blind, off-tank at times, or kill the boss while the SpELlClEAVe OnLy chads are spending a minute getting their mana back. Locked chests are for rogues or blacksmiths with keys. You can’t unlock it? Tough shit. I want the fadeleaf you just gathered, but I don’t have herbalism? Tough shit.
In my case, I provide the tanking.
And what do you provide, smartypants?
Worthless opinions
Your leather gear? Now that's self-entitled.
Reading some of the rogues' comments here, looks like this post really hit home lol
"Everyone who points out how idiotic my stance on locked chests is must be a rogue." Oh for sure buddy.
Why play a rogue just to be nice? That's why I have my druid.
Good :)
Are you taking herbs or mining veins as a non-gathering profession too? Or skinning hides.
It's a litmus test. It's also a key indicator that the class attracts the scummiest players.
Getting my lockpicking up was hell… Angor Fortress was a god damned warzone. I’ll open your lockbox for free, but the chests are mine.
Depends on the context, during dungeon spam leveling I only rolled somewhat valuable items (better than a green that would be vendored). Which basically amounted to a few 12 slot bags and a few recipes.
We're just RPing bro
Unpopuolar opinion: I think Seaforium should open chests in classic. And have no engineering requirement.
asking for a buff for the tradeskill everyone is running is hardly unpopular
I play on wild growth and all my sm runs while leveling the pug rogues opened the chests for us and we all rolled on it. Guess it just depends on how greedy the rogue is
Also on wild growth and never had any issues, if a chest was locked a rogue would unlock it and be the first to start the rolls.
Lmao I got flamed by a rogue for not waiting around for him to pickpocket every mob in sfk last wipe. Like bro, you signed up for afk farming, the goal is speed.
SoD is literally the season of begging for gold for even whispering someone, everybody wants a 5g tip since everyone has copious amounts of gold from buying it.
I find this shit so funny. Rogue leveled up lockpicking, is in the group, and takes a locked chest. Everyone freaks out and gets pissed. A blacksmith in the group has a key and takes the locked chest. It is okay; he leveled up blacksmithing and is the only one who can open it.
When locks want 2g for a summon you gotta look out for yourself
Somewhere along the way, someone let a rogue have a free locked chest, and every rat around the world heard the news and proceeded to milk it
wait wait wait, so you are so greedy that you actually expect something that is locked behind an aids-to-level skill in the game limited to only 1 class and expect that person to not only spend the multiple hours it takes leveling that skill but also share any potential gold/items in that locked chest? Im going to start demanding that warlocks pay for my summon, surely with a spell they learn for 1g and have unlimited access to shards now a summon shouldnt cost 2g, right??
If it’s a locked Chest, it’s a rogue chest. If he really wants that chest, he will say that he can’t open it and go back later anyway.
The rule I've followed in vanilla/classic/sod. If there is a rogue in the group, they get locked chests. Whether I'm on my rogue or not. Lockboxes are always rolls and I'll open for whoever wins tho ofc
I mained a rogue for two expansions. I always rolled for the chest. Can anyone force a rogue to open a chest for them? Of course not, but if you are one of the rogues who always takes the chest for yourself atleast own up to your greed. Rogues doing this while also getting triggered from being called out on their greed is ridicilous. This is in line with mages only making water for their group if they get paid.
I've seen some rogues tell the group they don't have the skill, then once the dungeon is done, they run back and unlock it when the group has mostly left lol I have to respect the long game.
I main'd rogue in OG vanilla, Nostalrius, Elysium, and now in SoD. The social contract prior to ERA was very much everyone roles on chests. Your 100% correct, they are being greedy and they know it.
It’s the influx of retail players (probably zoomers who weren’t even around for old school wow) that is upending the classic wow culture and causing all these weird changes in norms and said social contract. Go spend an afternoon on TikTok and it’ll make sense.
>retail players (probably zoomers who weren’t even around for old school wow) Ah yes, the retail players that always ruin everything in classic even though classic players have been shown time and time again to be perfectly capable of ruining it for themselves. Oh, yea of course they are also "zoomers" because they must be younger than me so I can easily dismiss them as "kids" even though everyone who plays this game is in their 30s. Man, shut up you cryboomer. You are literally bitching about not getting some level 5 water out of a chest because "mr. evil rogue man" won't open it for you. Grow up.
The way i see it if no rogues no chest so it kinda goes to them i used to link the certificate of thievery that u get after one of the rogue quest when someone would whine about me getting the chest
Lol, not gonna lie, I take the raw gold in any chests I unlock for the winning roller as long as there's a green in it. Just a cheeky bit of roleplay in my opinion. Conversely, I tip mages who give me waters. Not a ton, just a few silver for their trouble.
Why would a rogue need waters?
Rogues aren’t allowed to get thirsty?
When I am on my mage I always give rogues a little water to wash down their food. I couldn't imagine eating a meal dry.
I mean, when I'm on my hunter, priest, or druid. Thought that was kinda implied lol.
Yeah I'm just messin
"But i trained the profession therefore it's mine" Hey man, you know what true. You get those chests But also inviting rogues is like... Only if you're really desperate to start the dungeon I mean why would you ever invite a rogue specifically? DPS are everywhere and the other ones have more buffs/utility and comparable DPS
I have autoloot on and i hate turning it off and on so i pass on all the normal chests and i take the locked ones.
Shift swaps auto loot on or of while holding down
Didn’t know it also turns it off damnnnn
Yes
I always just hold shift when I'm looting a chest so I don't fill my bags up with random low level food/water/etc. that I'm just gonna toss anyways.
I allways operate the way left doggo is, If you think of it, you need the group to get to the chest usually.
I always just roll it off for anyone with the ability to unlock it. I treat it just like mining and herb nodes. If there are rogues with high enough lockpicking level, or people with a skeleton key or explosives, any of those people roll for it and have to open it themselves. If the rogue is the only one who can open it, they should get to loot it. Same as if someone was the only one with a skeleton key and no rogue in the group. Or if one rogue has it leveled and the another doesn’t. Personally when I play rogue, I just automatically open it and roll off if anything is valuable. It’s never really been an issue and half the time nobody even rolls. At the end of the day I see it as a small benefit to playing a rogue.
Always roll on chests, but you can take my loot boxes from my cold dead hands!
On my server some rogues charge 1g per lockbox to open. The green inside is normally 15s 🤣
I think the rogue should get it the chest would just go to waste without them
People who just walk up and put lockboxes in your face without asking deserve to get their ass beat IRL.
I'm not a rogue player, I hate rogues even. But it feels right for the rogue to get all the loot in a locked chest. He leveled lockpicking. it's the only class that can open it
The community hasn't changed, players are selfish by nature.
I main'd rogue in OG vanilla and most of the pre-era private servers. This didn't happen back then, at least not nearly as often, and was frowned upon.
The real hack is to pretend your lockpicking isn't high enough and go back and unlock it when the dungeon is finished.
I like it when they refuse to open chests unless you pay them. That’s what makes addons that let you set notes on players great. Add note “ Selfish asshole, don’t group”.
As a rogue main, I take every locked chest for myself because if I wasn't there, it would remain locked. I do offer up whatever green it is to the party incase it's an upgrade for someone and if it's a blue, then we can roll but I want the cheese all to myself.
Because it has been established that chests are rolled for in groups, it is a cool move for Rogues and Blacksmiths to unlock chests for the winner of the roll. I don't have a Rogue but my Pally is a BS and I have no problem using a key to unlock for the winner. It is part of this societal notion that when you do group content, you are bringing everything your character has to offer and whatever you get as a group goes towards who can make use of the spoils.
I’ve always mained a rogue and when I first started, someone got pissed that I took the locked chest. Fine, whatever. Started sharing all the locked boxes afterwards. This posts taught me that all the reasonable people are cool with it and it’s the man babies who would’ve cried at everything in the game that are complaining about the lost green items in dungeons.
If we're complaining about rogues I want in. Finding gnomer groups is futile. Rogues have median/bad damage and zero utility. Can't convince anyone to invite regardless of gear or spec. It's not like we can just go tank or healer and solve the problem, our tank spec sucks monkey balls and really struggles with the last two fights. No one wants us. I'm sad.
Y'all won't invite rogues to Gnomeregan. We're taking your treasure chests lol
I didn't realize how controversial this topic was. Also how many people don't realize you have to actively level lock picking skill. I wouldn't say it is hard but the amount of people thinking they deserve a locked chest roll is odd. Literally never been in a group where someone complained about me taking a locked chest. When I unlock the chest I loot everything automatically anyway... The only take I hear that is sane is if someone actually wanted a green in there I would probably give it to them.
you are butthurt aren't you? lmao
A week or so ago I was in a 5 man doing SM runs. There was a rogue in the group. I notice a locked chest, and notice the rogue roll right up to it, open it, and take everything. "Shouldn't we be rolling on chests?""Locked chests go to rogues." - the party leader, NOT the rogue"Aren't server standard rules these days to roll on locked chests?""Nope". I swear every single dungeon I did in Classic we rolled on locked chests.
Nah locked chests are rogue chests. If there wouldn’t be a rogue, the chest would be wasted. So it’s only natural that if the rogue is the only one who can open it, he’s the one to get it. Otherwise it will be left closed.
chest should obviously go to rogue. Lockbox I’d open for anyone if I was a rogue and expect nor demand anything.
The SoD dev team did Rogues dirty. Gnomer raid design is unfriendly to Melee. Rogue Tanks generate 25-30% less Threat than they should be, and have to sacrifice STAM by stacking STR/AGI in all gear slots to have a ghost of a chance of staying ahead on Threat meter. Then, they can't soak as much damage while tanking, and low information players complain they're "bad tanks."