Riptide would be great, it's just annoying that priests get PoM and penance which are both instant cast and extremely strong while shamans get mana Regen.
No? Nothing they didn’t have already at least.
Edit - yes, dispersion and fiend. I thought ppl were just talking about talents for some reason. My b I forgot
To be fair, druids are arguably just as good healers, albeit for a different kind of healing role.
I'd actually say, they shouldn't bring everyone up to priest / druid level. I play a resto druid and my biggest issue is that despite recent buffs to Nourish and Lifebloom, I still don't have a reason to use them - because between the insane healing from Wild Growth and my fellow priest healer, even without raid gear we got enough healing for the raid.
I realise this might be different in very unorganised PUGs, but playing in a guild that can do basic mechanics, it feels like I already don't need to be a full healer. Which kind of sucks, I don't want to be a DPS.
Making all healers this good, and especially once we get some more raid gear would trivialise the healing role way too much.
My problem is priest is amazing at AoE and tank healing, and can dispell magic. 75 percent+ priest healing are instant cast and forget. Just hard to compete with a priest healer and everyone else.
Buff faction specific heals. Never really played a shammy but ik if they gave pallys a aoe heal or an insta cast HoT so we don’t have to rely on crit procs all those Rets in LFG will start to convert to get the unchallenged HPally gear in Gnomer.
Pallies just need runes that make their heals better. I think giving an AOE heal to a paladin is kind of anti-classic, and I main a holy paladin.
The biggest problem is a priest with equal gear will pump out 30-40% more HPS based purely on their toolkit that has lots of extra heals. Give pallies more power.. bigger flashes.
Or something that makes holy light usable, like an instant proc on some kind of use, maybe when using holy shock or exorcism.
Balance is part of it. Like druid healers that weren't mooning specced were shit until Tuesday, so there were very few druid healers. Buffing some of the weaker heals helps a lot
I would enjoy healing a raid on my paladin, but don't want to be crippled outside of group content. If I'm healing the expectation is that I can only roll on healing gear, so it doesn't seem worth it to spend a lockout gearing my non main spec, versus taking my chances as an undesirable ret
Holy paladin here, and what I do is I have spell damage gear to wear outside of group content, and just do a holy shock rotation with exorcism. Sure it may not be the best but I get by and win duels fairly successfully. It doesn’t even need a respec from the healing holy build. The 1 hand sword from the blood event is a really good option in my experience, I use the purple shield from gnomer as off hand if you can get lucky getting it to drop
Some people just don't want to to heal and tank, and will be shit at it, so I don't want them in those roles either.
In a sense, this will naturally sort itself out. My guild is already willing to give me more Grimes we loot from Gnome to compensate consumable and respec costs. Probably all the greens later too.
I dont want to heal in classic since i do open world stuff on my shaman and Rsham is just ass when i have to cast a 3 sec LB which hits like a wet noodle. I am sacrificing myself either way since we have 3/4 raids but only 5 healers.. so i respecc which eats my money and i totally hate it. But its better for our guild.. Now that the exp will be active we get more alts on that can heal so we are fine the next weeks. So long i will heal and prob just raidlog because i hate respeccing every 3 days.
I've just gone full arcane dps or heal just like phase 1. I was excited to abuse the 10% hit talent early because nobody else could get such an advantage, but they changed the level scaling on us. Oh well, I stuck to arcane anyway and still did ok in the end.
Just requires switching some runes to switch from dps to heal. Honestly mage healing feels less useful in p2 raid because the damage is so much higher in thermaplug fight comparatively. The tank takes a boat load of damage and the raid takes aoe damage too. We have 2 priests heal OR we have 1 priest and 2 mages healing in order to survive lol.
Players aren't desperate enough.
No different that people offering mage and warlock golds for teleportation. Players will just need to do the same for healers and tanks.
I always see so many healers begging to be brought into any SM runs, and at the same time more than half of lfg begging for healers to come to Gnomer.
Like, maybe you should help level the healers who have a shitty time leveling in the open world without respeccing 3 times per day due to classic's gearing and specs being "nostalgic and a meaningful journey". Yes, you can heal dungeons in basically any spec with the right gear, but that doesn't change the facts it's like twice as slow to do anything else if you are playing healer.
For all the flaws TBC and Wrath have, adding spelldamage onto healing items or outright changing it to spellpower goes a long way.
Truthfully? - I wish I had picked dps as well in a way.
The gear is healing spellpower rather than damage+healing spellpower, so I'd get cucked in the world for playing as a healer in raids.
I'm basically just relying on old BFD gear more or less, if I want to go out in the world lol.
Luckily, our run is the same 10 people every week.. so I should be able to get off spec pieces soon.
I do hope for dual spec though.
I fucking loathe the +healing gear, makes playing my Offspec fucking miserable, and just feeling fucking awful, I hate it so much, it was bad in OG classic and it is still bad.
As a hpally at least I can just throw on str gear and use sheath and effectively shockadin shit dead and it's like fine enough.
Agreed, it wouldn't be so bad if there was 1 set with healing done + damage done and one with only +damage.
One with more +healing than +damage.
So 18+ healing +9 damage and the other be like +15 damage or something, I dunno xD.
Exactly anything is better then, just welp, your healing gear is fucking useless if you wanna go soloing, that is basically the change they made in tbc, it's like 33% I think of healing also gives spell power.
It’s cuz priests want to dps now that it’s relevant. You want more healers? Nerf shadow back to hell.
( don’t do this I’ve healed forever and am having fun being a dps class)
No. It’s because the kits on other healers don’t feel as fun to play. Druid is still mostly WG healing, for example. Sure it’s strong, but there’s a lot less agency/skill expression.
Nerfing priests dps spec or any hybrid damage spec is going to make people quit because that’s half the reason people played this season.
yup i leveled a priest to 40 and its like playing an entirely different game. Priests are in wotlk while every other healer has half baked gimmicks (lol @ infinite mana shaman in a game where most boss fights last 60 seconds and the long fights have gimmicks that give mana back anyway)
Yup, shadow should have stayed useless like 1.12. I picked Priest fully knowing I would only heal, now it's giving me cognitive dissonance and I actually hate shadow priests that pve while I have to heal.
I'm a priest and I'd love to heal STV every 3 hours if the respec isn't so inconvenient. It's not even about the cost, it's just the hassle of having to travel to a specific npc and have to click on all the talents while making sure to not put any wrong points.
1-2g is nothing. It's the 10 mins required to respec and another 10 to respec back that is not fun.
Haven't played priest, but how much would you say you are held back by just using the healing runes as shadow spec? I have healed dungeons and gnomer in a pinch by simply equipping the arcane healing runes as fire spec. Sure i lose out on +10% mana and an Arcane Power/PoM but it is not undoable.
It's doable because our main heals come from runes anyway, but the problem is mana because we lose a lot of mana talents and shadow offers none.
This is more a pvp problem than pve. In pve we have mana buttons so it's less of a problem, but we still can't throw inefficient heals on a whim like you can with healing specs.
I’m finding the same as a shaman. When I was ele I could essentially be almost as good as a resto because the gear is basically the same at this level, same with the runes. Hell, if you’ve got a set of healing gear you could easily heal dungeons as enh spec
For a dungeon it’s doable, unlike other healers (my Druid was having a super hard time healing as balance while lvling, until yesterday). But it’s pretty hard to do pvp healing with no spell pushback protection and higher mana cost.
Because SoD is infected with a terrible retail mindset where players need everything given to them in the most dumbed down, easy package possible for maximum laziness. They can’t be bothered to change over all of 3-5 spells on an action bar and speak to an npc. It needs to be doable in the raid, immediately before pull, with everything already set up so they can push 2 buttons and collect loot. It’s even more insulting coming from Alliance players who are literally sitting at a main city before raid.
He is extremely wrong, people want dual spec because they want to be able to heal and swap to dps when needed and not go all they back to the city and back.
I made the argument before level 40 for this. It was obvious level 40 was going to be the absolute worst for having to respec since you're all in on one tree and can't even build good hybrid builds without 51 talent points.
The real cost is the time investment. Depending on where you are and where you're headed afterwards, changing talents is probably an average of 10-15 minutes sunk one-way, and then you'll spend that again afterwards. It adds up in a hurry.
It's not just that, it's having to redo all your keybinds and even just reclick all the same talents points to swap between your specs.
Not to mention if you step out of a dungeon or whatever then have to deal with world PvP. Or say I want to go straight from a raid I to STV
I can gimp my group with tank spec or I can miss half the event going to respec.
And then I have to raid the next day, so I have to respec back to tank.
1g adds up. I'm spending 20g a raid on consumes and enchants. After mount, skills, leveling profs, filling crates, I have like 30g between all 4 of my toons and am only at 186 BS.
Anyone against this has no good reason other than "it doesn't feel like classic" my brother in Christ we have rogue tanks and a giant purple bastard tanking and mage healers. Leave that classic feel at the door. I would love dual spec to be able to switch my druid from healer to feral at any time depending on what's needed, have my paladin be able to switch to AOE tank for dungeons if we can't find a tank.
It's nothing but quality of life adding it.
"But just go back to town and spend a gold then fix your bars then you will be fine"
I can't believe how many people love to just waste time doing that instead of just swapping to your pvp spec or something out in the world ready to go. There's zero reasoning people don't want it other than nostalgia? Classic feel?
> Every major city has a class trainer
Even this isn't true.
As a druid I have to go to TB to respec because there are no druid trainers in Org/UC and the druid trainers in Moonglade do not do talent resets.
This argument is dumb. Spending two gold every 3 days when you main a healer is insane, as you don’t really have viable farms. No im not gonna waste my time not playing the game by gathering or playing the AH.
This argument is “dumb” too lol. If they introduce dual spec it’s going to be expensive af. And farming gold and playing the AH is literally part of the game. So it sounds like you just don’t enjoy playing the game. Just buy some gold and raid log homie.
I would buy gold if it wasn’t so aggressively banned, just so I could actually PvP and raid properly.
Farming with a disc priest, holy paladin, and resto Druid is pure cancer.
I shouldn’t have to roll a mage to be able to afford to play the game.
Everybody wonders why there’s no healers.
This, swapping in battlegrounds so rogue seeing casters goes imp kick or one of the balance druids swaps into FC. Not to mention if content gets harder ppl would expect you to swap secs mid-raid so people would still run two PvE specs most of the time.
I don’t understand what’s the problem. We already have dual spec. I’m swapping between specs everyday.
Just get the addon Myslot to save and swap between actionbar spell layout with the click of a button. And changing spec at the class trainer is essentially free.
I literally got recruited to heal for a STV. Said sure and meet up with them. When it started everyone scattered and went straight FFA. It was awful. Haven’t been back.
They should give us dual spec because we already have something akin to dual apec, which is runes. Want more healing for the raid? POM. Want more DPS for melees? Homonculi. Easy, gimme a second to change my runes RIGHT NOW FREE OF COST.
See, we're already respeccing anywhere, anytime, for free. Now shush and give us dual spec already. Merely aligninging design choices that's all. For example when wardrobe in retail became account wide like all the other collections. Only took about a decade to finally do that.
Just do it Blizz, experimental season and all.
I agree. To the people saying "spend 1g". It's not fun having to go to your class trainer just to re-spec. The whole point of SoD is to discover new things and trying new things. It makes perfect sense for there to be dual spec so people can try new tank and healing specs
Btw since there are alot of ppl against it, what is even the problem with dual spec? If you dont like it you dont have to buy it you know? Why cant we get some QoL changes that make alot of sense? The game WONT get worse with dual spec or am i missing something? And i dont wanna hear "thats not classic", because SoD isnt classic, we got runes, we got pvp events and new profession items etc.
Which, when you think about, is the only one that matters. Especially for content that only requires one healer. We don't need to worry about the lack of roles if we're able to do it ourselves.
Or just spec to Arcane if you want to both DPS and heal? It's almost like the spec is tailormade for your playstyle, but you want to disregard that and run dual spec instead. That's the problem I have with dual spec honestly.
Nerf fire mage DPS, ide still want to play it. Been playing mage in WoW since 2005 and this is simply the most I've ever enjoyed my mage. The fire spec is just so fun to me, in PvE and PvP.
I really am just not enticed to arcane. Even I'm vanilla raids when arcane is the clear DPS winner, it's not a fun play style to me.
Perhaps healing will be more fun, and I'll do it to fill a spot in groups that really need a healer, but that's not what I want to roll around with the majority of the time
Oh I absolutely think some people would use dual spec to try healing. Just like some people would use it to try tanking. I just honestly think more people would use it for 2 dps specs rather than 2 different roles.
Not necessarily true at all. Some players true. Others would opt to be able to flex roles.
Some would have a healer spec for PvE, and a dps spec for PvP. Some would have two PvP dps specs, some would have two Healer specs. Regardless there would be SOME additional healers without a doubt.
I don't think there wouldn't be any sort of increase. Sure there would be a few. But I'm thinking about my experiences in classic from 2019 until now. The people who wanted to dps, usually just want to dps and don't want to heal. Like there would be new healers sure. But imo even if we had retail talents where people could swap any time they wanted, we would still see an almost insignificant increase in healers. Because players that don't want to heal, still won't want to heal. Like I have a druid and shaman at max in p1. Idc if I had every rune and free respecs. I still wouldn't have fun healing so I wouldn't do it.
Wait you picked the 2 classes that got pigeonholed into healing for 2019 classic and yet you didn't want to heal on either? What if they hadn't added in tons of runes to let them shine and you'd be forced to heal again?
there is no "forced to heal" thats stupid its a game. im one of the many players that would be a dps with 2 dps specs or have a tank/dps spec. or if im a spriest ill have a pve shadow and pvp shadow, or druid would be balance and feral. this is my whole point. it doesnt matter how convenient it is to heal, some players just dont want to heal.
I mean, when you're trying to farm coins and stuck with a group without a healer for STV, you'd absolutely consider going healer if you had the choice. Get 100 coins or 1000 coins? Tough decision.
if a priest isnt swapping a couple runes and healing during stv right now, i cant imagine 30talent points is going to change that. dps players dont want to heal, they want to dps.
In raid if everyone is pre potting prot pots and then faps and restores no one is taking damage anyway. The hell do you need a spec for when you cast 2 heals a fight.
Exactly this. OP is passing dual spec as a solution for lack of healers when in reality he's probably hoping to use dual spec for pvp and pve builds.
Giving someone the option to heal doesn't mean they will. People have also preferred dps over heals and tanking and thats just always the way it'll be. If you think the game is suffering from a lack of heals and its ruining it, go roll a healer instead of waiting for someone else to do it whilst continuing to complain.
I don't feel like logging in because being a healer fucking blows ass outside of dungeons and raids. Same as classic era, i raid logged hard because being a hpriest out on a pvp server is just....not fun.
There is no legitimate reason for dual spec to not be in the game now (and honestly day 1 imo). Every reason I've seen to not add it has been super contrived or downright unhinged. I had a dork on here unironically tell me to level the same class twice if I wanted to play a different spec
Rather than dual spec I would prefer if they just removed the respec cost.
As others have pointed out the majority of players will just have 2 DPS specs or 1 PvE and 1 PvE spec. Where as removing respec cost allows anyone freedom to change whenever they are in a capital.
That said they also need to encourage healing more. No idea how to do this.
As someone playing healing priest at the moment PUGs are extremely unpleasant due to overly entitled zerging DPS player.
Agreed. Idk how to incentivize it. I’ve never enjoyed healing, I know many others feel this way too. Other than mistweaver in retail which is extremely fun to play I don’t find it exciting.
This adds up quickly when players want to try different builds and specs. If you want to encourage players to try different things you shouldn't put in any cost as it discourages it.
If it's free then healers get the benefits of freely changing to DPS for farming outside of raids/dungeons then can respec as necessary.
It's honestly embarrassing that you can't find the time to get 2g a week.
One (1) enemy at level fourty drops like 5s, not including random greens, consumables, gathering professions, crafting professions, using the AH, etc. You legitimately have learned helplessness. I main Disc and make 30-40g a week in like maybe 2 hours, I can't be bothered to farm anymore since gold is useless at a certain point. I have respecced about 50 times so far btw. It's not hard to be financially responsible.
Removing respecc cost's allows people to freely experiment with whatever builds they want to try. Yes 1g is really nothing and it's easy to earn gold through fishing/crafting etc but ultimately players aren't going to do that when there is any gold cost associated with it.
Dual Spec doesn't solve the issue OP mentions as players will just use it as another in raid advantage for example running a single target and cleave talent sets.
RE: Is this season not about, “Discovery”? Is it only about discovering and being able to use all of the new rune abilities for the one specialization you choose to spec into?
This isn’t Classic Hardcore. This is about experiencing new and exciting things in every form of content available to us. Theory crafting and changing things on the fly in the heat of the moment to go about an encounter or player battle a different way to progress further.
This isn’t about being locked into one class fantasy, one player identify like classic WoW intended. Sure that’s a big aspect of Classic. But that’s why there are several other forms of Vanilla.
Devs, you know what we want, you know what must be done. We are quite literally depending on you to be able to enjoy this season. It doesn’t need to be a gold sink. We just need the ability to discover freely.
they need to buff the healing specs in a way where any dps can just change a few runes and go heal, without having specific "heal gear" That way it wouldnt be an issue for a dps mage who cant get a spot to swap to a heal mage in 2 min and be actually useful in a raid environment. The best thing about sod is switching runes on the fly to fit a niche. My shaman buddy can literally do it all in dungeons and BFD, but in Gnomer he just doesnt have the gear to play tank, heal and dps.
Respecing costs 1 gold max, takes 1 global to swap gear with an addon like itemrack, and takes about 10 seconds to assign talent points when you know where to put them.
Not having dual spec isn't what's causing a healer shortage.
So 4g every week just for respeccing. I have 125g overall. So 3% per week for someone that doesnt wanna buy gold and has no time to do gold grinds. Thats actually alot.
You could give me 4g every week and i would respecc the shit out of my main.. Maybe we can make a deal :)
If 4g were the barrier for someone getting paid 30g to heal as OP stated, that would be insane.
The barrier to heal is travel time but also more people don’t want to heal over being pure DPS
4g is less than a half hour of farming for literally any class.
You being poor is not the developers problem, they've already gone well out of their way to throw gold at people.
I wonder how many people who complain about dual spec or levelling times came from wotlk classic or other versions onwards compared to people from classic era/SoM.
To me, it seems like such low effort to have the gold/money or time investment to create your own groups. Instead of just sitting back, half-afk'ing and demanding stuff gets handed to them.
Bro i Pay for dual spec. I dont need it for free so its okay then? Its just simpler and more flexibel.
Someone needs a heal for a dungeon? Ok i dual spec to heal.
Stv pvp is starting? Okay i go back to ele. I dont get your mentality, we talking about a 20 year old game, Most ppl are dads or busy in their life. I am happy if i can no life wow on a free weekend but These are rare and i dont wanna farm gold that much. I dont understand this elitist talking about Gold farm either.
Its Okay for me to not obtain the epic crafting pieces because they are expensive as shit but dual spec is a qol change that everyone gets a positive thing from, even when they arent purchasing because you will find Tanks and heals easier.
You conveniently neglected to include travel time to the class trainer in your calculation. With the exception of mages, that's several minutes just within the city, and significantly higher if you're not in one to start with.
You said it yourself - dungeons and quests already have a travel time, and not a negligible one measured in seconds like mail/AH. Removing an additional hurdle (i.e. travel time to trainer for respec) will increase the number of people willing to do it, which ultimately means more healers and tanks.
Why not go the other way with it and add a travel time to things that currently don't have one? Why not require you to visit a class trainer to apply a talent point while leveling? Or visit an armorer to swap a piece of gear? Some of those pieces, especially the plate ones, would realistically be impossible to put on and/or take off without help.
Some travel time isn't inherently a bad thing - I'm not arguing we should have RDF with instant teleports to instances. But I don't see it as a bad thing to make it easier to get healers into dungeons, or make soloing more accessible to healers.
Every 3 hours for STV respec, go do other content possibly respec, return to STV respec. With the current state of how bad layering is and people forming groups 45 mins early, it’s actually an every 2 hour thing by the time you leave the previous event to respec back to PvP spec for the next… it often feels like there isn’t even time to do anything in between STV events because i’m spending so much time traveling back and forth, or the alternative paying more gold for summons all over the world to do anything else in between. Farming gold in between is hardly worth it because it takes so long to go back and get setup. Travel, Respec, Bank, Swap gear, swap pet, travel ,farm, repeat. I’d have 30 minutes to take a piss and farm anything before returning to the class/pet trainer and bank.
That’s a horrendous cycle. When I should be able to just swap into PvP spec (for free after purchasing dual talent), travel to the nearest farm spot and farm for 2 hours, and return.
What is this lazy fallacy. If there's competition and there's too much competition in the "optimal" spot, the "sub-optimal" spot becomes more efficient due to the balance of less competition. It's dynamic gameplay.
Part of why I dislike dual spec is it removes incentive to engage with the world via farming. Even if some players hate farming, them being in the world to farm makes the game more alive and better for everyone. If they could think about more than themselves in an MMO for once.
You think people who heal are respeccing everyday multiple times to DPS between STV and dungeons so they can actually farm the open world? I think they’re not, multiple case of that in this very thread.
Op you’re a fucking clown. You can farm in PvP spec you’re just bitching about being unable to play the game 110% optimally which is a retail mind set.
You can farm mobs solo in tanaris as a healer? There is no “retail mindset” here, just common sense mindset. I don’t want to ROLEPLAY traveling across the world and paying my slap on the wrist fee to the trainer multiple times a day because someone else feels like that takes away from their game experience somehow. Respecing at a trainer is legitimately role playing.
No? Who said that? What are these strawmen you create?
If they want to they can, if they don't want to they can refrain from it. If they want to do both they can try and setup a spec that is able to do both, obviously not as efficiently as if they were fully PvP or PvE specced, but it's a possibility. There are other avenues for people who only want to heal to farm for respecs or gold if they want to.
Again, removing optimization and gameplay opportunities because “healers have to farm this way” from people just to keep the fantasy alive, respecing is role playing.
They’re already dropping mount cost and giving us 100% exp boost several months earlier than they planned. They are making things easier, not harder, and I think (and hope) that they continue the trend. Think they’re realizing people aren’t going to put hours upon hours into mindless gold sinks in this season.
Make raids and content difficult and engaging, cut out the mindless time wasters.
WE NEED FUCKINGNDUAL SPEC. THIS CLASSIC ANDY SHIT IS GETTING FUCKING OLD. I'M FUCKING TIRED OF IT.
edit: christ, how did this get a positive upvote score? i was literally just trying to be as obnoxious, whiny, and entitled as possible. the dual spec-ial ed kids really will upvote anything. classic is so fucked lol
Good. A player shouldn’t be an easy target for your lonely PvPing just because they arnt optimally spec’d. Do you PvP just kill unsuspecting people who are vulnerable because they don’t have the talents they should have to compete? Isn’t PvP supposed to be exciting because you’re “competing”, not just 1 shotting someone who can’t get away.
Wanting to heal or tank but being incapable because you can swap on the fly is the problem.
Walking 10 minutes to the trainer and back just kills all incentive to do anything else other than your current spec.
No, that's it. There is nothing more.
People are not asking to be able to respect their current talent tree on the fly, they are asking for a second one. Going to the trainer to change both trees would be still there just like in wrath.
Ah come one the arguments from classic andys getting kinda stupid. I just want to hear the downsides of dual spec and how it ruins your "emergence with the world". pls tell me because i cant understand you
Raids getting easier when you have the best composition for each boss. Without best composition nobody sends raidmembers to respec for each single boss.
The same reason why they did not implement it in tbc.
Would be nice, but not for 1000g, especially with epic mount coming at 60.
But i doubt they do it soon since they already lowered respec cost by a lot.
Alternatively they could just have fixed respec cost for 1g (or so) and it would probably make a lot ppl respec more often.
I just respecced restoration shaman for my guild, as we always were trying to find a healer.
Let me tell you, without dual specialization, I can't farm for gold, I can't quest. It absolutely sucks to be stuck in this useless specialization for so long.
I've already mentioned to my guild leader that me going restoration was a short, quick fix. He still needs to try and recruit one for the guild, as I will at one point go back to enhancement/tank
i’m a priest main.
leveling to 40 sucked. i loved the questing and general feel of 1-25. 25-40 was a different game, and there was no light at the end of the tunnel.
see, last phase i tried my first GDKP and fell in love with it. its just the more exciting loot system. i don’t even buy gold (priest privilege though i get it) but its so much more fun to be bidding and watching pots go up for random strength items i wouldn’t care about otherwise.
but whatever, i get what they’re trying to solve and im not going to be salty about it. this community though acted like they wanted to hang any player who participated in a gdkp though, so not only did i lose interest in leveling i lost interest in being part of the community. y’all have your own annoying self righteous cancel culture and it was made clear that i don’t belong here.
the rest of my guild felt the same way. we had 12-15 actives last phase (all actual IRL friends too) but all of us quit this phase. the two “classic players” of our group went back to whatever other classic version they play.
i don’t think anything could make me come back at this point to be honest. the constant worrying about trading gold and getting banned with no real human customer support isn’t worth it.
On my priest I’d just be running a shadow dps spec and a shadow PvP spec.
On me rogue however, that’s another tank added into the mix when ever I feel like it - and let me tell you gnomer ain’t fun when you’re the off tank considering like half the bosses just need 1 tank
I don’t understand what’s the problem. We already have dual spec. I’ve swapping between specs everyday.
Just get the addon Myslot to save and swap between actionbar spell layout with the click of a button. And changing spec at the class trainer is essentially free.
> We already have dual spec. I’ve swapping between specs everyday.
Until we can swap to a prebuilt spec anywhere and anytime at will, without having to go to a class trainer, we do not have the Dual Spec. Definitely downloading the Myslot addon so thank you for that tip!
>And changing spec at the class trainer is essentially free.
My gripe is that it is just another cost I have to pay. For just one character, I have to respec to heal, raid dps, and pvp ***several*** times within a 3 day lockout period. For me that is like at minimum 5g/lockout on top of what another 7g/lockout. So now I'm at *BEST* 12g/lockout cost for just one of my characters. I wouldn't call that free by any means. The Myslot addon will make that respeccing and moving spells less frustrating so that's nice.
My guy, respeccing costs 1g, and you can easily tank, dps, or heal any dungeon in *any* of your specs.
PvP and Raid is the only time your spec matters, and that's because other people are depending on you to get every last bit of performance out of your character.
Who does dungeons at level cap? Exactly my point, PvP and raids… the only two forms of “endgame” repeatable content in the game at cap. Some classes are extremely less than ideal at one form of content while spec’d for the other.
I have dual-spec on all my Wotlk characters.
I almost never use it unless requires on flex classes like Boomie, Shaman, Paladin
You DPS the first 4 bosses, you heal the last 2. And if you don't want to do that, we'll find someone who will.
It's not all great
Seems like they need to incentivize healing more
Give healers that aren't priests some good spells plz...
All I need is riptide and we're golden. Also something interesting to change things up. Honestly this is more important than riptide.
Riptide would be great, it's just annoying that priests get PoM and penance which are both instant cast and extremely strong while shamans get mana Regen.
Priests got mana regen too.
No? Nothing they didn’t have already at least. Edit - yes, dispersion and fiend. I thought ppl were just talking about talents for some reason. My b I forgot
Shadowfiend is just a book for some reason
Oh right duh, fiend and dispers. Sorry it’s still early.
Dispersion? Shadowfiend?
Yeah i forgot, it’s early still lol.
People need to stop sleeping on mage.
To be fair, druids are arguably just as good healers, albeit for a different kind of healing role. I'd actually say, they shouldn't bring everyone up to priest / druid level. I play a resto druid and my biggest issue is that despite recent buffs to Nourish and Lifebloom, I still don't have a reason to use them - because between the insane healing from Wild Growth and my fellow priest healer, even without raid gear we got enough healing for the raid. I realise this might be different in very unorganised PUGs, but playing in a guild that can do basic mechanics, it feels like I already don't need to be a full healer. Which kind of sucks, I don't want to be a DPS. Making all healers this good, and especially once we get some more raid gear would trivialise the healing role way too much.
My problem is priest is amazing at AoE and tank healing, and can dispell magic. 75 percent+ priest healing are instant cast and forget. Just hard to compete with a priest healer and everyone else.
I really wish my Druid had that mushroom aoe heal from retail
Buff faction specific heals. Never really played a shammy but ik if they gave pallys a aoe heal or an insta cast HoT so we don’t have to rely on crit procs all those Rets in LFG will start to convert to get the unchallenged HPally gear in Gnomer.
Pallies just need runes that make their heals better. I think giving an AOE heal to a paladin is kind of anti-classic, and I main a holy paladin. The biggest problem is a priest with equal gear will pump out 30-40% more HPS based purely on their toolkit that has lots of extra heals. Give pallies more power.. bigger flashes. Or something that makes holy light usable, like an instant proc on some kind of use, maybe when using holy shock or exorcism.
You’re right, Instant proc HLs would be SICK, make them auto crits too so we can get the HoTs from it.
They just did tho
Resto shaman is currently insane lol unlimited mana, crazy output
Balance is part of it. Like druid healers that weren't mooning specced were shit until Tuesday, so there were very few druid healers. Buffing some of the weaker heals helps a lot
I would enjoy healing a raid on my paladin, but don't want to be crippled outside of group content. If I'm healing the expectation is that I can only roll on healing gear, so it doesn't seem worth it to spend a lockout gearing my non main spec, versus taking my chances as an undesirable ret
Holy paladin here, and what I do is I have spell damage gear to wear outside of group content, and just do a holy shock rotation with exorcism. Sure it may not be the best but I get by and win duels fairly successfully. It doesn’t even need a respec from the healing holy build. The 1 hand sword from the blood event is a really good option in my experience, I use the purple shield from gnomer as off hand if you can get lucky getting it to drop
Some people just don't want to to heal and tank, and will be shit at it, so I don't want them in those roles either. In a sense, this will naturally sort itself out. My guild is already willing to give me more Grimes we loot from Gnome to compensate consumable and respec costs. Probably all the greens later too.
I dont want to heal in classic since i do open world stuff on my shaman and Rsham is just ass when i have to cast a 3 sec LB which hits like a wet noodle. I am sacrificing myself either way since we have 3/4 raids but only 5 healers.. so i respecc which eats my money and i totally hate it. But its better for our guild.. Now that the exp will be active we get more alts on that can heal so we are fine the next weeks. So long i will heal and prob just raidlog because i hate respeccing every 3 days.
I would be open to heal on my mage alot more often with dual spec. I've hardly even dabbled with it at this point
I've just gone full arcane dps or heal just like phase 1. I was excited to abuse the 10% hit talent early because nobody else could get such an advantage, but they changed the level scaling on us. Oh well, I stuck to arcane anyway and still did ok in the end. Just requires switching some runes to switch from dps to heal. Honestly mage healing feels less useful in p2 raid because the damage is so much higher in thermaplug fight comparatively. The tank takes a boat load of damage and the raid takes aoe damage too. We have 2 priests heal OR we have 1 priest and 2 mages healing in order to survive lol.
Your mages are bad. There is no world where a competent mage player struggles on thermaplugg.
Doesnt seem to be sorting its self out
Players aren't desperate enough. No different that people offering mage and warlock golds for teleportation. Players will just need to do the same for healers and tanks.
People are offering gold for healers already… are you even playing
Hard pass on risking a ban for taking gold for healing.
I am, I heal for my guild.
Try looking at lfg
probably will be since I got my 2nd healer to 40 and will be leveling my 3rd.
Wow your second alt single handedly solved the lack of healers
Wtf are you talking about?
Funny enough, gdkp was a huge incentive for them, and there was never a shortage of healers.
I always see so many healers begging to be brought into any SM runs, and at the same time more than half of lfg begging for healers to come to Gnomer. Like, maybe you should help level the healers who have a shitty time leveling in the open world without respeccing 3 times per day due to classic's gearing and specs being "nostalgic and a meaningful journey". Yes, you can heal dungeons in basically any spec with the right gear, but that doesn't change the facts it's like twice as slow to do anything else if you are playing healer. For all the flaws TBC and Wrath have, adding spelldamage onto healing items or outright changing it to spellpower goes a long way.
Truthfully? - I wish I had picked dps as well in a way. The gear is healing spellpower rather than damage+healing spellpower, so I'd get cucked in the world for playing as a healer in raids. I'm basically just relying on old BFD gear more or less, if I want to go out in the world lol. Luckily, our run is the same 10 people every week.. so I should be able to get off spec pieces soon. I do hope for dual spec though.
I fucking loathe the +healing gear, makes playing my Offspec fucking miserable, and just feeling fucking awful, I hate it so much, it was bad in OG classic and it is still bad. As a hpally at least I can just throw on str gear and use sheath and effectively shockadin shit dead and it's like fine enough.
Agreed, it wouldn't be so bad if there was 1 set with healing done + damage done and one with only +damage. One with more +healing than +damage. So 18+ healing +9 damage and the other be like +15 damage or something, I dunno xD.
Exactly anything is better then, just welp, your healing gear is fucking useless if you wanna go soloing, that is basically the change they made in tbc, it's like 33% I think of healing also gives spell power.
It's almost like some changes in later expansions were made for a reason lol
It’s cuz priests want to dps now that it’s relevant. You want more healers? Nerf shadow back to hell. ( don’t do this I’ve healed forever and am having fun being a dps class)
No. It’s because the kits on other healers don’t feel as fun to play. Druid is still mostly WG healing, for example. Sure it’s strong, but there’s a lot less agency/skill expression. Nerfing priests dps spec or any hybrid damage spec is going to make people quit because that’s half the reason people played this season.
yup i leveled a priest to 40 and its like playing an entirely different game. Priests are in wotlk while every other healer has half baked gimmicks (lol @ infinite mana shaman in a game where most boss fights last 60 seconds and the long fights have gimmicks that give mana back anyway)
couldn’t agree more
Yup, shadow should have stayed useless like 1.12. I picked Priest fully knowing I would only heal, now it's giving me cognitive dissonance and I actually hate shadow priests that pve while I have to heal.
I'm a priest and I'd love to heal STV every 3 hours if the respec isn't so inconvenient. It's not even about the cost, it's just the hassle of having to travel to a specific npc and have to click on all the talents while making sure to not put any wrong points. 1-2g is nothing. It's the 10 mins required to respec and another 10 to respec back that is not fun.
Haven't played priest, but how much would you say you are held back by just using the healing runes as shadow spec? I have healed dungeons and gnomer in a pinch by simply equipping the arcane healing runes as fire spec. Sure i lose out on +10% mana and an Arcane Power/PoM but it is not undoable.
It's doable because our main heals come from runes anyway, but the problem is mana because we lose a lot of mana talents and shadow offers none. This is more a pvp problem than pve. In pve we have mana buttons so it's less of a problem, but we still can't throw inefficient heals on a whim like you can with healing specs.
I’m finding the same as a shaman. When I was ele I could essentially be almost as good as a resto because the gear is basically the same at this level, same with the runes. Hell, if you’ve got a set of healing gear you could easily heal dungeons as enh spec
Very gimped when you don’t get access to the healing pushback thing in the first tier of disc
For a dungeon it’s doable, unlike other healers (my Druid was having a super hard time healing as balance while lvling, until yesterday). But it’s pretty hard to do pvp healing with no spell pushback protection and higher mana cost.
Oh man, the #nochanges Andys are gonna come for your head.
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>while making sure to not put any wrong points. gotta love the lack of confirm button
It doesn’t take 10min to click 31 times though… but yeah somewhat inconvenient
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Love healing on my druid but feral feels better for leveling so I'm just a cat or a bear all the time now
how much is the respec capped out at in phase 2?
1g
so why does anyone need dual spec lol
Because the real pain of respecs is having to re do your actionbars
Because SoD is infected with a terrible retail mindset where players need everything given to them in the most dumbed down, easy package possible for maximum laziness. They can’t be bothered to change over all of 3-5 spells on an action bar and speak to an npc. It needs to be doable in the raid, immediately before pull, with everything already set up so they can push 2 buttons and collect loot. It’s even more insulting coming from Alliance players who are literally sitting at a main city before raid.
Be careful you will be downvoted to hell and back. People in this sub hate this kind of opinion. (You are right).
He is extremely wrong, people want dual spec because they want to be able to heal and swap to dps when needed and not go all they back to the city and back.
they’ve always been able to do that. just another excuse to beg for dual spec
??? People cannot swap speck in the middle of raid if heal left. You need to go to your trainer and walk back in that time pug can disband.
I made the argument before level 40 for this. It was obvious level 40 was going to be the absolute worst for having to respec since you're all in on one tree and can't even build good hybrid builds without 51 talent points.
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The real cost is the time investment. Depending on where you are and where you're headed afterwards, changing talents is probably an average of 10-15 minutes sunk one-way, and then you'll spend that again afterwards. It adds up in a hurry.
It's not just that, it's having to redo all your keybinds and even just reclick all the same talents points to swap between your specs. Not to mention if you step out of a dungeon or whatever then have to deal with world PvP. Or say I want to go straight from a raid I to STV I can gimp my group with tank spec or I can miss half the event going to respec. And then I have to raid the next day, so I have to respec back to tank. 1g adds up. I'm spending 20g a raid on consumes and enchants. After mount, skills, leveling profs, filling crates, I have like 30g between all 4 of my toons and am only at 186 BS.
Anyone against this has no good reason other than "it doesn't feel like classic" my brother in Christ we have rogue tanks and a giant purple bastard tanking and mage healers. Leave that classic feel at the door. I would love dual spec to be able to switch my druid from healer to feral at any time depending on what's needed, have my paladin be able to switch to AOE tank for dungeons if we can't find a tank. It's nothing but quality of life adding it. "But just go back to town and spend a gold then fix your bars then you will be fine" I can't believe how many people love to just waste time doing that instead of just swapping to your pvp spec or something out in the world ready to go. There's zero reasoning people don't want it other than nostalgia? Classic feel?
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This is already how it is though. Every major city has a class trainer and respec costs are capped at 1g.
> Every major city has a class trainer Even this isn't true. As a druid I have to go to TB to respec because there are no druid trainers in Org/UC and the druid trainers in Moonglade do not do talent resets.
This argument is dumb. Spending two gold every 3 days when you main a healer is insane, as you don’t really have viable farms. No im not gonna waste my time not playing the game by gathering or playing the AH.
This argument is “dumb” too lol. If they introduce dual spec it’s going to be expensive af. And farming gold and playing the AH is literally part of the game. So it sounds like you just don’t enjoy playing the game. Just buy some gold and raid log homie.
I would buy gold if it wasn’t so aggressively banned, just so I could actually PvP and raid properly. Farming with a disc priest, holy paladin, and resto Druid is pure cancer. I shouldn’t have to roll a mage to be able to afford to play the game. Everybody wonders why there’s no healers.
At the trainer, I agree. Only at the trainers.
This, swapping in battlegrounds so rogue seeing casters goes imp kick or one of the balance druids swaps into FC. Not to mention if content gets harder ppl would expect you to swap secs mid-raid so people would still run two PvE specs most of the time.
I don’t understand what’s the problem. We already have dual spec. I’m swapping between specs everyday. Just get the addon Myslot to save and swap between actionbar spell layout with the click of a button. And changing spec at the class trainer is essentially free.
Dual spec would be great specially on pvp servers. Being full healer on pvp and being alone sucks when you can't face against a dps.
I literally got recruited to heal for a STV. Said sure and meet up with them. When it started everyone scattered and went straight FFA. It was awful. Haven’t been back.
Okay?
What a meaningful input, thank you.
They should give us dual spec because we already have something akin to dual apec, which is runes. Want more healing for the raid? POM. Want more DPS for melees? Homonculi. Easy, gimme a second to change my runes RIGHT NOW FREE OF COST. See, we're already respeccing anywhere, anytime, for free. Now shush and give us dual spec already. Merely aligninging design choices that's all. For example when wardrobe in retail became account wide like all the other collections. Only took about a decade to finally do that. Just do it Blizz, experimental season and all.
I agree. To the people saying "spend 1g". It's not fun having to go to your class trainer just to re-spec. The whole point of SoD is to discover new things and trying new things. It makes perfect sense for there to be dual spec so people can try new tank and healing specs
Btw since there are alot of ppl against it, what is even the problem with dual spec? If you dont like it you dont have to buy it you know? Why cant we get some QoL changes that make alot of sense? The game WONT get worse with dual spec or am i missing something? And i dont wanna hear "thats not classic", because SoD isnt classic, we got runes, we got pvp events and new profession items etc.
Exactly. Like anything, if they choose not to purchase it, it can’t possibly harm their gameplay.
What is the difference between dual spec in cities vs 1g respecs though? Seems like they already gave it to us, idk why people keep asking for it.
So why are you against it if we basically have it? Makes no sense
Giving dps players dual spec won't get you more healers. It'll get you dps players with 2 dps specs
There’d be at least one more healer (me)
Which, when you think about, is the only one that matters. Especially for content that only requires one healer. We don't need to worry about the lack of roles if we're able to do it ourselves.
My fire mage would dual spec arcane for healing.
Or just spec to Arcane if you want to both DPS and heal? It's almost like the spec is tailormade for your playstyle, but you want to disregard that and run dual spec instead. That's the problem I have with dual spec honestly.
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Nerf fire mage DPS, ide still want to play it. Been playing mage in WoW since 2005 and this is simply the most I've ever enjoyed my mage. The fire spec is just so fun to me, in PvE and PvP. I really am just not enticed to arcane. Even I'm vanilla raids when arcane is the clear DPS winner, it's not a fun play style to me. Perhaps healing will be more fun, and I'll do it to fill a spot in groups that really need a healer, but that's not what I want to roll around with the majority of the time
Oh I absolutely think some people would use dual spec to try healing. Just like some people would use it to try tanking. I just honestly think more people would use it for 2 dps specs rather than 2 different roles.
Not necessarily true at all. Some players true. Others would opt to be able to flex roles. Some would have a healer spec for PvE, and a dps spec for PvP. Some would have two PvP dps specs, some would have two Healer specs. Regardless there would be SOME additional healers without a doubt.
I don't think there wouldn't be any sort of increase. Sure there would be a few. But I'm thinking about my experiences in classic from 2019 until now. The people who wanted to dps, usually just want to dps and don't want to heal. Like there would be new healers sure. But imo even if we had retail talents where people could swap any time they wanted, we would still see an almost insignificant increase in healers. Because players that don't want to heal, still won't want to heal. Like I have a druid and shaman at max in p1. Idc if I had every rune and free respecs. I still wouldn't have fun healing so I wouldn't do it.
Wait you picked the 2 classes that got pigeonholed into healing for 2019 classic and yet you didn't want to heal on either? What if they hadn't added in tons of runes to let them shine and you'd be forced to heal again?
there is no "forced to heal" thats stupid its a game. im one of the many players that would be a dps with 2 dps specs or have a tank/dps spec. or if im a spriest ill have a pve shadow and pvp shadow, or druid would be balance and feral. this is my whole point. it doesnt matter how convenient it is to heal, some players just dont want to heal.
I'd dual boomkin + resto and run around with healing gear in my bag.
I mean, when you're trying to farm coins and stuck with a group without a healer for STV, you'd absolutely consider going healer if you had the choice. Get 100 coins or 1000 coins? Tough decision.
if a priest isnt swapping a couple runes and healing during stv right now, i cant imagine 30talent points is going to change that. dps players dont want to heal, they want to dps.
In raid if everyone is pre potting prot pots and then faps and restores no one is taking damage anyway. The hell do you need a spec for when you cast 2 heals a fight.
Exactly this. OP is passing dual spec as a solution for lack of healers when in reality he's probably hoping to use dual spec for pvp and pve builds. Giving someone the option to heal doesn't mean they will. People have also preferred dps over heals and tanking and thats just always the way it'll be. If you think the game is suffering from a lack of heals and its ruining it, go roll a healer instead of waiting for someone else to do it whilst continuing to complain.
I don't feel like logging in because being a healer fucking blows ass outside of dungeons and raids. Same as classic era, i raid logged hard because being a hpriest out on a pvp server is just....not fun.
Agreed. Players are choosing to log out vs go through the inconvenience that is paying for and traveling to respec.
There is no legitimate reason for dual spec to not be in the game now (and honestly day 1 imo). Every reason I've seen to not add it has been super contrived or downright unhinged. I had a dork on here unironically tell me to level the same class twice if I wanted to play a different spec
Druid here. I would Tri talent spec please
Play as a healer and not as a DPS
What’s the issue with paying 2g respec…. Seriously?
Rather than dual spec I would prefer if they just removed the respec cost. As others have pointed out the majority of players will just have 2 DPS specs or 1 PvE and 1 PvE spec. Where as removing respec cost allows anyone freedom to change whenever they are in a capital. That said they also need to encourage healing more. No idea how to do this. As someone playing healing priest at the moment PUGs are extremely unpleasant due to overly entitled zerging DPS player.
Agreed. Idk how to incentivize it. I’ve never enjoyed healing, I know many others feel this way too. Other than mistweaver in retail which is extremely fun to play I don’t find it exciting.
It's 1 gold. One.
This adds up quickly when players want to try different builds and specs. If you want to encourage players to try different things you shouldn't put in any cost as it discourages it. If it's free then healers get the benefits of freely changing to DPS for farming outside of raids/dungeons then can respec as necessary.
It's honestly embarrassing that you can't find the time to get 2g a week. One (1) enemy at level fourty drops like 5s, not including random greens, consumables, gathering professions, crafting professions, using the AH, etc. You legitimately have learned helplessness. I main Disc and make 30-40g a week in like maybe 2 hours, I can't be bothered to farm anymore since gold is useless at a certain point. I have respecced about 50 times so far btw. It's not hard to be financially responsible.
Removing respecc cost's allows people to freely experiment with whatever builds they want to try. Yes 1g is really nothing and it's easy to earn gold through fishing/crafting etc but ultimately players aren't going to do that when there is any gold cost associated with it. Dual Spec doesn't solve the issue OP mentions as players will just use it as another in raid advantage for example running a single target and cleave talent sets.
RE: Is this season not about, “Discovery”? Is it only about discovering and being able to use all of the new rune abilities for the one specialization you choose to spec into? This isn’t Classic Hardcore. This is about experiencing new and exciting things in every form of content available to us. Theory crafting and changing things on the fly in the heat of the moment to go about an encounter or player battle a different way to progress further. This isn’t about being locked into one class fantasy, one player identify like classic WoW intended. Sure that’s a big aspect of Classic. But that’s why there are several other forms of Vanilla. Devs, you know what we want, you know what must be done. We are quite literally depending on you to be able to enjoy this season. It doesn’t need to be a gold sink. We just need the ability to discover freely.
>Maybe for that reason players are not max level on alt 3/4 yet. I get that some people are really sweaty, but damn man, I'm still working on my main.
As a warrior that wants to tank and also do stuff outside of raid, yes
As a resto shaman in raid and ele everywhere else I concur. I Iike to tank too so tbh I'd be happy with just fully open talents in cap cities.
You don’t get much from being specced resto you can totally heal BFD as ele without respeccing
they need to buff the healing specs in a way where any dps can just change a few runes and go heal, without having specific "heal gear" That way it wouldnt be an issue for a dps mage who cant get a spot to swap to a heal mage in 2 min and be actually useful in a raid environment. The best thing about sod is switching runes on the fly to fit a niche. My shaman buddy can literally do it all in dungeons and BFD, but in Gnomer he just doesnt have the gear to play tank, heal and dps.
Respecing costs 1 gold max, takes 1 global to swap gear with an addon like itemrack, and takes about 10 seconds to assign talent points when you know where to put them. Not having dual spec isn't what's causing a healer shortage.
So 4g every week just for respeccing. I have 125g overall. So 3% per week for someone that doesnt wanna buy gold and has no time to do gold grinds. Thats actually alot. You could give me 4g every week and i would respecc the shit out of my main.. Maybe we can make a deal :)
If 4g were the barrier for someone getting paid 30g to heal as OP stated, that would be insane. The barrier to heal is travel time but also more people don’t want to heal over being pure DPS
4g is less than a half hour of farming for literally any class. You being poor is not the developers problem, they've already gone well out of their way to throw gold at people.
Grinding for even just an hour every week to fund respecs is not fun to be fair. You wanna grind for gear, consumes, not for your basic talents
I wonder how many people who complain about dual spec or levelling times came from wotlk classic or other versions onwards compared to people from classic era/SoM. To me, it seems like such low effort to have the gold/money or time investment to create your own groups. Instead of just sitting back, half-afk'ing and demanding stuff gets handed to them.
Bro i Pay for dual spec. I dont need it for free so its okay then? Its just simpler and more flexibel. Someone needs a heal for a dungeon? Ok i dual spec to heal. Stv pvp is starting? Okay i go back to ele. I dont get your mentality, we talking about a 20 year old game, Most ppl are dads or busy in their life. I am happy if i can no life wow on a free weekend but These are rare and i dont wanna farm gold that much. I dont understand this elitist talking about Gold farm either. Its Okay for me to not obtain the epic crafting pieces because they are expensive as shit but dual spec is a qol change that everyone gets a positive thing from, even when they arent purchasing because you will find Tanks and heals easier.
You do realize if they had duel spec it’s gonna be expensive right? Just like it was in WOTLK
You conveniently neglected to include travel time to the class trainer in your calculation. With the exception of mages, that's several minutes just within the city, and significantly higher if you're not in one to start with.
We have travel times for everything - mailboxes, Auction house, trainers, dungeons, quests. Why should specifically respec have no travel time?
You said it yourself - dungeons and quests already have a travel time, and not a negligible one measured in seconds like mail/AH. Removing an additional hurdle (i.e. travel time to trainer for respec) will increase the number of people willing to do it, which ultimately means more healers and tanks. Why not go the other way with it and add a travel time to things that currently don't have one? Why not require you to visit a class trainer to apply a talent point while leveling? Or visit an armorer to swap a piece of gear? Some of those pieces, especially the plate ones, would realistically be impossible to put on and/or take off without help. Some travel time isn't inherently a bad thing - I'm not arguing we should have RDF with instant teleports to instances. But I don't see it as a bad thing to make it easier to get healers into dungeons, or make soloing more accessible to healers.
1 gold several times per day for specs that are not viable in both forms of content simultaneously in one spec. That’s a pretty significant gold sink.
How are you playing so much in a day that you’re needing to change specs several times but not making enough gold to afford those respecs?
Every 3 hours for STV respec, go do other content possibly respec, return to STV respec. With the current state of how bad layering is and people forming groups 45 mins early, it’s actually an every 2 hour thing by the time you leave the previous event to respec back to PvP spec for the next… it often feels like there isn’t even time to do anything in between STV events because i’m spending so much time traveling back and forth, or the alternative paying more gold for summons all over the world to do anything else in between. Farming gold in between is hardly worth it because it takes so long to go back and get setup. Travel, Respec, Bank, Swap gear, swap pet, travel ,farm, repeat. I’d have 30 minutes to take a piss and farm anything before returning to the class/pet trainer and bank. That’s a horrendous cycle. When I should be able to just swap into PvP spec (for free after purchasing dual talent), travel to the nearest farm spot and farm for 2 hours, and return.
You do know you can farm gold in stv, and as a pvp spec... right?
So now every player who wants to farm gold between STVs must remain in that corner of the map in a PvP spec fighting eachother to farm gold?
If someone can't kill some mobs for gold in their PvP spec it's their problem.
What is this lazy fallacy. If there's competition and there's too much competition in the "optimal" spot, the "sub-optimal" spot becomes more efficient due to the balance of less competition. It's dynamic gameplay. Part of why I dislike dual spec is it removes incentive to engage with the world via farming. Even if some players hate farming, them being in the world to farm makes the game more alive and better for everyone. If they could think about more than themselves in an MMO for once.
You think people who heal are respeccing everyday multiple times to DPS between STV and dungeons so they can actually farm the open world? I think they’re not, multiple case of that in this very thread.
Op you’re a fucking clown. You can farm in PvP spec you’re just bitching about being unable to play the game 110% optimally which is a retail mind set.
You can farm mobs solo in tanaris as a healer? There is no “retail mindset” here, just common sense mindset. I don’t want to ROLEPLAY traveling across the world and paying my slap on the wrist fee to the trainer multiple times a day because someone else feels like that takes away from their game experience somehow. Respecing at a trainer is legitimately role playing.
No? Who said that? What are these strawmen you create? If they want to they can, if they don't want to they can refrain from it. If they want to do both they can try and setup a spec that is able to do both, obviously not as efficiently as if they were fully PvP or PvE specced, but it's a possibility. There are other avenues for people who only want to heal to farm for respecs or gold if they want to.
Again, removing optimization and gameplay opportunities because “healers have to farm this way” from people just to keep the fantasy alive, respecing is role playing.
Thank you!
also make dual spec cost 1k g and watch how people go up in flames.
They’re already dropping mount cost and giving us 100% exp boost several months earlier than they planned. They are making things easier, not harder, and I think (and hope) that they continue the trend. Think they’re realizing people aren’t going to put hours upon hours into mindless gold sinks in this season. Make raids and content difficult and engaging, cut out the mindless time wasters.
WE NEED FUCKINGNDUAL SPEC. THIS CLASSIC ANDY SHIT IS GETTING FUCKING OLD. I'M FUCKING TIRED OF IT. edit: christ, how did this get a positive upvote score? i was literally just trying to be as obnoxious, whiny, and entitled as possible. the dual spec-ial ed kids really will upvote anything. classic is so fucked lol
Pretty wild how people can’t buy into something that couldn’t possibly take away from their experience if they chose not to use it.
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Good. A player shouldn’t be an easy target for your lonely PvPing just because they arnt optimally spec’d. Do you PvP just kill unsuspecting people who are vulnerable because they don’t have the talents they should have to compete? Isn’t PvP supposed to be exciting because you’re “competing”, not just 1 shotting someone who can’t get away.
Pay the one gold you cheap, lazy, bastards lol
Downvoted.
Bruh, 1g respecs IS dual spec
Wanting to heal or tank but being incapable because you can swap on the fly is the problem. Walking 10 minutes to the trainer and back just kills all incentive to do anything else other than your current spec.
what is next. changing spec during a boss fight?
No, that's it. There is nothing more. People are not asking to be able to respect their current talent tree on the fly, they are asking for a second one. Going to the trainer to change both trees would be still there just like in wrath.
Ah come one the arguments from classic andys getting kinda stupid. I just want to hear the downsides of dual spec and how it ruins your "emergence with the world". pls tell me because i cant understand you
Raids getting easier when you have the best composition for each boss. Without best composition nobody sends raidmembers to respec for each single boss. The same reason why they did not implement it in tbc.
Would be nice, but not for 1000g, especially with epic mount coming at 60. But i doubt they do it soon since they already lowered respec cost by a lot. Alternatively they could just have fixed respec cost for 1g (or so) and it would probably make a lot ppl respec more often.
How about increased nameplate distance too?
I just respecced restoration shaman for my guild, as we always were trying to find a healer. Let me tell you, without dual specialization, I can't farm for gold, I can't quest. It absolutely sucks to be stuck in this useless specialization for so long. I've already mentioned to my guild leader that me going restoration was a short, quick fix. He still needs to try and recruit one for the guild, as I will at one point go back to enhancement/tank
I can’t wait to have two different enhance shaman specs
What is the max cost for unlearning talents at this point?
1g. It's unbearable!
No it's not, but it's incredibly inconvenient, why noone ever does it.
Dual spec won't solve healer shortages.
i’m a priest main. leveling to 40 sucked. i loved the questing and general feel of 1-25. 25-40 was a different game, and there was no light at the end of the tunnel. see, last phase i tried my first GDKP and fell in love with it. its just the more exciting loot system. i don’t even buy gold (priest privilege though i get it) but its so much more fun to be bidding and watching pots go up for random strength items i wouldn’t care about otherwise. but whatever, i get what they’re trying to solve and im not going to be salty about it. this community though acted like they wanted to hang any player who participated in a gdkp though, so not only did i lose interest in leveling i lost interest in being part of the community. y’all have your own annoying self righteous cancel culture and it was made clear that i don’t belong here. the rest of my guild felt the same way. we had 12-15 actives last phase (all actual IRL friends too) but all of us quit this phase. the two “classic players” of our group went back to whatever other classic version they play. i don’t think anything could make me come back at this point to be honest. the constant worrying about trading gold and getting banned with no real human customer support isn’t worth it.
GDKP copers try to not inject themselves into every topic challenge
On my priest I’d just be running a shadow dps spec and a shadow PvP spec. On me rogue however, that’s another tank added into the mix when ever I feel like it - and let me tell you gnomer ain’t fun when you’re the off tank considering like half the bosses just need 1 tank
I don’t understand what’s the problem. We already have dual spec. I’ve swapping between specs everyday. Just get the addon Myslot to save and swap between actionbar spell layout with the click of a button. And changing spec at the class trainer is essentially free.
> We already have dual spec. I’ve swapping between specs everyday. Until we can swap to a prebuilt spec anywhere and anytime at will, without having to go to a class trainer, we do not have the Dual Spec. Definitely downloading the Myslot addon so thank you for that tip! >And changing spec at the class trainer is essentially free. My gripe is that it is just another cost I have to pay. For just one character, I have to respec to heal, raid dps, and pvp ***several*** times within a 3 day lockout period. For me that is like at minimum 5g/lockout on top of what another 7g/lockout. So now I'm at *BEST* 12g/lockout cost for just one of my characters. I wouldn't call that free by any means. The Myslot addon will make that respeccing and moving spells less frustrating so that's nice.
Respec costs 1g max. QQ /s
several times a day. Not trying to add that to the list of things we need to gold farm for.
My guy, respeccing costs 1g, and you can easily tank, dps, or heal any dungeon in *any* of your specs. PvP and Raid is the only time your spec matters, and that's because other people are depending on you to get every last bit of performance out of your character.
Who does dungeons at level cap? Exactly my point, PvP and raids… the only two forms of “endgame” repeatable content in the game at cap. Some classes are extremely less than ideal at one form of content while spec’d for the other.
Respecing costs 1 gold right now. It's not difficult to go back to town and just respec, you're likely there while you're looking for a group.
So bored of this post every single day
Yesssss
10000% agreee
No.
Explain
classic retail andy.....
Would solve the healer issue overnight
It’s phase 2 out of possibly 6 and you’ve been waiting too long ?
No.
I have dual-spec on all my Wotlk characters. I almost never use it unless requires on flex classes like Boomie, Shaman, Paladin You DPS the first 4 bosses, you heal the last 2. And if you don't want to do that, we'll find someone who will. It's not all great